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Why It’s Such A Big Deal That Chinese Automaker BYD Is Threatening To Sue Us

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Automakers have long used celebrities to give them an aura of success, style, or authenticity. This is especially important for Chinese brands, which have started to move beyond cheap cars into the realm of luxury vehicles in Europe. The latest star to endorse a Chinese automotive brand is the actor Daniel Craig, best known as James Bond, who is now the spokesperson for BYD luxury subbrand Denza.

When the company made the announcement last month, it also sent out a mix of press and marketing photos to promote the campaign, stating that Craig “will lend his image to several key vehicles being launched this year, including in marketing materials and television commercials.”

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This isn’t a campaign for the Chinese market, but one aimed at Europe, and the photos looked slightly amusing to us. There was a sense that Craig, a wonderful actor who has appeared in many films we love, looked sort of strange in the marketing materials.

Instead of posting about it on the website, we quickly put up an Instagram post that rather tamely pointed out the photos were odd. Clearly, many people agreed, because thousands of people liked and shared the post, with nearly a million seeing it before BYD threatened us with ‘legal action’ and put forth a bogus copyright claim via Instagram to have it removed.

If the image Chinese automakers want to portray is that they won’t export China’s history of authoritarian rule and press censorship alongside their cars, the behavior of BYD here is extremely disappointing.

The Original Instagram Post

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Photo: Denza/Instagram

Because it’s not currently on Instagram, above is what the slideshow post looked like. The photo was mostly factual, though it did include the commentary that the photos looked “weird as hell.” You can’t see the caption, but the caption was:

Daniel Craig’s “Bond” movies made billions across his 15-year tenure, but the former secret agent has turned towards modeling for China’s EV brand Denza and, well…the photos are something.

That’s it.

From various parts of the BYD empire there are four basic variations of the photos we used, all of which were released as press or marketing photos. One has Craig looking somewhat severe in front of an SUV. Another has Craig in a handsome sweater standing behind the Denza Z9 GT, an attractive wagon/hatch that’ll debut in Europe this summer.

The one of him with Stella Li, the longtime BYD marketing exec, in front of a sports car prototype is my favorite, especially because it looks a little like she was photoshopped in front of him (it’s possible they were together and this was just retouched so heavily it looks that way).

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Photo: Denza

If you’ve watched the excellent Knives Out films you’ve become familiar with Craig’s charming smile, so perhaps that’s why so many people online found the photos of him straight-faced so uncanny and amusing. I wish I’d saved the comments, because many people agreed there was a quality that made it seem a little like Craig had been forced to take the photo against his will.

There are sometimes instances where an automaker will use a western celebrity for a local market, and these can sometimes seem unusual to different audience. This wasn’t the case here as Li herself pointed out, saying Craig was chosen to help “bring the brand to the world” and specifically called out Europe and Latin America.

Again, this was all meant to be a quick critique of the press photos, which is an entirely valid and newsworthy thing for us to do. BYD didn’t take it that way, and have instead invoked censorship, threatened us, and broke the norms of how manufacturers and the press operate in a way that’s pretty scary if it’s allowed to stand.

BYD Europe Responds With Threats

It’s not unusual for an automaker’s PR department to be unhappy with something a journalistic outlet like The Autopian might publish, and it’s well within their right to call or email us to argue the point. This happens all the time.

BYD’s operations in Europe, as represented by their official Instagram account, didn’t attempt to argue the point with us. Instead, they went straight to threats.

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When I saw this I admittedly found it a little amusing, and showed the other journalists who were with me at the New York Auto Show and we all had a good laugh. I may have responded with a GIF of Daniel Craig laughing himself as I pointed out that many, many other publications had used the photos.

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While I’ll admit that using gifs to reply was a tad provocative, I was hoping to highlight the complete absurdity of the request, given that these were press and marketing photos. I don’t think they understood.

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I responded with a few more GIFs and tried to make my point a little clearer, asking if I should just tell all the other journalists who wrote about it that they should pull it. I was trying to get them to admit that the reasoning behind pulling our post had nothing to do with “copyrights permits” and, as I suspect, was because it was perceived as being negative.

BYD didn’t respond and, instead, used the automatic copyright complaint portal on Instagram to have valid critique from a journalist pulled.

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This isn’t Instagram’s fault. For practical reasons, Instagram pulls a post and allows for a later appeal. If this stands, this will create a dangerous precedent, which is why we’re going to appeal and why I’m making a big deal out of this.

If Companies Can Use Bogus Copyright Claims To Pull Criticism It’ll Fundamentally Alter Press Freedoms

There are vast legal and functional precedents for how photos distributed by companies as either marketing or press images can be used by media outlets. The whole purpose of these images is to be distributed, and by labeling them as such the sender relinquishes the right to claim intellectual property so long as they’re used in an editorial way.

For instance, Lexus uses this text when you attempt to download one of their press photos:

All materials on this site are for editorial use only. The use of these materials for advertising, marketing or any other commercial purpose is prohibited.

This makes sense. The intention of these images is to be used editorially, but that doesn’t give Ford the right to use Lexus photos to sell its cars. If Ford wants to do that, it has to take its own photos of a Lexus.

What BYD is trying to do is obviously a form of censorship because there are numerous copies of these photos on Instagram, but BYD appears to have only targeted us for being negative. If BYD is allowed to do this, it means that any automaker (or company of any sort) can decide retroactively to have any content it doesn’t like removed by making an illegitimate copyright claim.

In our case, our point is even stronger because we are making a legitimate critique and providing editorial commentary of the photos. This gives us more protection legally, even if the extent of the critique is as simple as pointing out the photos have an uncanny quality to them. This is called “Fair Use” and it is clearly spelled out in US copyright law why we are allowed to do this:

[T]he fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

While our comment on it was serious, the topic itself wasn’t. But what if it was?

Public radio program The World just released a story entitled: “Chinese EV giant BYD faces ‘forced labor’ investigation at Hungary factory.” If a journalist uses a BYD press or marketing image should BYD be allowed to have any related posts pulled because they didn’t like the coverage?

I can’t think of a time that a major European, Japanese, or American automaker has tried to pull something like this. Most of them are aware that copyright law forbids this kind of action and, more practically, why should the press give coverage to a company that tries to censor anyone who dares say something negative?

My hope is that this is a lower-level functionary at the company and that someone with a better understanding of the law will have the copyright complaint removed. Until then, we have an obligation to other journalists to not allow BYD to get away with this.

Photos: BYD/Denza unless otherwise noted

 

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That Guy with the Sunbird
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That Guy with the Sunbird
1 day ago

As others have said, it’s hilarious that they think you using their officially released press photos is “copyright infringement.” And this doesn’t bode well, like the article here states, for them coming to America someday and acting halfway decently. Not that I think they’ll ever be allowed to anyway.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 day ago

Welcome to the Streisand Effect.

SukhoiRomantic
SukhoiRomantic
1 day ago

Maybe remove your logo from their pics though?

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
Reply to  SukhoiRomantic

I suppose their post was derivative work under fair use, so the watermark is justified. And, of course, we know it wasn’t due to the logo that BYD complained.

Slow Car Slow
Slow Car Slow
1 day ago

Here in Brazil BYD sued a meme page and a journalistic website. This looks like a company policy.

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
Reply to  Slow Car Slow

How did they fare? I know Brazil has a lot of issues, but at least our laws still protect (somewhat) the small guy from the corporate law bullies.

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
Reply to  Slow Car Slow

Oh boy, I looked on Brazilian lawsuits involving BYD, and there’s plenty (links in the reply):
1) It seems BYD lost the lawsuit against the meme/news page
2) The other one you mention was on a news site, right? They had a piece on how the Brazilian CEO tried to “distance” the brand from its Chinese origins, and the company got an injunction to suspend the article. Pending final decision, but the judge admits that the issue is not as clear cut for BYD
3) The BRAZILIAN govt sued BYD for keeping Chinese workers in slavery conditions in their BR factory (Bahia state)
There are many more, but I think the Autopian has a litany of cases they can go on if they want to write a piece on the censorship attempts, just in Brazil alone (I’m sure the Brazilian legion here is more than willing to help with translation).

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
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Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
Reply to  Rafael

4) It seems they are suing many more, and are offering a bounty of $500k? This is Instagram so take it with a grain of salt, but if true, it is way weirder than I thought: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLAY4nuRXHQ/

Space
Space
1 day ago

BYD went after the Autopian which generally has positive coverage towards BYD.
Smart.

Knightcowboy
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Knightcowboy
1 day ago

So just to summarize: David is raising a child AND building a WWII by hand, Matt is fighting the good fight against both AI and censorship, and thanks to NASA Jason has an active space toilet to talk about. Wild times

A Tangle of Kraken
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A Tangle of Kraken
1 day ago
Reply to  Knightcowboy

When you say it like that…this isn’t going to end well.

/see y’all in the wastelands.

Last edited 1 day ago by A Tangle of Kraken
Matteo Bassini
Matteo Bassini
1 day ago
Reply to  Knightcowboy

Shout out to David for building a World War II by hand.

Don Curtis
Don Curtis
1 day ago
Reply to  Knightcowboy

HAHAHAHA “David is raising a child” HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ….no…

AutoTea
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AutoTea
1 day ago

I can only think of three automakers that have made similar attempts at censorship. VinFast (reportedly has done much worse), Fisker (RIP), and Tesla (big surprise) which requested that the Chinese government censor social media posts critical of Tesla.

Edit: I just remembered an incident that isn’t identical, but was a bit out of line, when a major automaker asked me to remove a video that reflected poorly on their product. No legal threat was made, but the implications on how they’d be treating access to their press material and product in the future was made clear.

Last edited 1 day ago by AutoTea
MrLM002
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MrLM002
1 day ago

I mean you could threaten a full BYD wipe from the website, any BYD products and or joint ventures don’t get mentioned at all, possibly go back and remove all references to BYD in past articles as well.

You’re complying, and they’ll never hear the Autopian and BYD mentioned together ever again…

Harveydersehen
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Harveydersehen
1 day ago
Reply to  MrLM002

Better yet, leave the articles up but replace the content with “we have removed this article because we don’t want to give BYD any publicity” and link to this story.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago

This is an example of Chinese criminal activity. They steal intellectual property, they fake design, and yet people don’t call them on it. Perhaps The Autopian will now realize that even if you give them good press they will turn on you sleep with your girlfriend and actually damage your car if you don’t support them.

Jesse Lee
Jesse Lee
1 day ago

Somehow they haven’t caught onto ‘all publicity is good publicity’.

FiveLiters1
FiveLiters1
1 day ago
Reply to  Jesse Lee

Exactly. I didn’t even know that Denzel Washington GT or whatever it’s called, existed until I read this article. They should be thanking The Autopian! (side note; both actors are so in front of the orange car, that I have no idea what it is even though it’s supposed to be advertising…for the car).

D M
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D M
1 day ago

Sounds like BYD has its BVDs in a twist.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 day ago

Who knew that Matt Hardigree and Afroman are the true patriots and defenders of free speech that I’d be rooting for.

Probably the only time these guys have been mentioned in one sentence before.

Paul B
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Paul B
1 day ago
Reply to  LTDScott

An Afroman/Torch collab would be hilarious.

05LGT
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05LGT
1 day ago
Reply to  Paul B

OMG. YESSSSS!!!!! Reach out to him for this!!!!

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 day ago
Reply to  LTDScott

If only someone had said years ago the Chinese are scum they steal intellectual property, imitate design block competition and then attack you. Oh wait I’ve been saying that since before 3/32/22 4 years ago and have been attacked for saying it.

TDI_FTW
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TDI_FTW
1 day ago

I wish I could like your post on Instagram to help spread it, but alas I do not have a relationship with Meta (yes, I know this means no FB Marketplace stuff for me).

Erik Hancock
Erik Hancock
1 day ago

This points to the bigger issue of whether social media platforms are just a utility in the way that an internet service provider delivers the internet but is not responsible for its content, or, are they a content provider in the way that a news website exercises editorial control over what gets published. Meta, Google, etc. have had it both ways for far too long – allowing powerful people to effectively censor and manipulate content without any sort of free speech guardrails under the guise of an independent corporation offering a proprietary service, while simultaneously avoiding any responsibility for the horrible things being said and done via that service by creators under the argument that they are merely a conduit and not a curator. They shouldn’t be able to have it both ways – either they are beholden to powerful players like BYD and therefore totally justified in removing offending content. Just like BYD could censor the comments on the user forums of their corporate website if they chose. But, they would also be liable for everything that is said and done via that platform.

K-Mart
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K-Mart
1 day ago
Reply to  Erik Hancock

The internet man…depressing what it has become…and social media….the only bright spot for me is this site…what the internet should be…

Brad the Slacker
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Brad the Slacker
1 day ago

Ironic a Chinese company is threatening someone about copyright infringement

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 day ago

It is funny been hearing this a lot about China recently and a lot of what they have today has been because of IP infringement.

Buddybears
Buddybears
1 day ago

Screw em’. They have zero recourse.

Johnologue
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Johnologue
1 day ago

I guess BYD really does want to compete with Tesla, then.

Luddy Ludwick
Luddy Ludwick
1 day ago

Oh come one, they just want some hooptie Jeeps as settlement. They’re doing you a favor!

Turbotictac
Turbotictac
1 day ago

Be a shame if everyone reading this article were to post it themselves with the exact same caption

FiveLiters1
FiveLiters1
1 day ago
Reply to  Turbotictac

I am here for this level of petty.

Jb996
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Jb996
1 day ago
Reply to  Turbotictac

If only I had an Instagram account, I would!

But I don’t and I’m not starting now.

David Barratt
David Barratt
1 day ago

Maybe tell BYD their Denza vehicles look like patent infringements of a Honda Pilot, Porsche Panamera and C8 Corvette.

Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
1 day ago

Found a successor for Tavares! (Pictured above)

Last edited 1 day ago by Alpscarver
Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 day ago

You responded to a legal threat from a CCP controlled corporation with sarcastic gifs eh?

I’m surprised that didn’t work.

(that was sarcasm)

SaabaruDude
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SaabaruDude
1 day ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

maybe Matt should postpone any pending family vacations to that particular region, too

Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 day ago
Reply to  SaabaruDude

Nah, what could go wrong?

Paul E
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Paul E
1 day ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

Somebody’s going to tank his social credit score?

Jay Mcleod
Jay Mcleod
1 day ago
Reply to  Paul E

Re-edjaamuucayshun camp.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
1 day ago
Reply to  Jay Mcleod

I am great with responding with sarcastic gifs at work. So if they need a lawyer that just responds with gifs I will be their guy. (Also I am not actually a lawyer even if my handle says I am one hah)

Space
Space
1 day ago

They need liquid lawyer.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
1 day ago

We have long needed an anti-SLAPP type remedy for DMCA abuse. As it stands, there are no consequences for sending takedowns for hurt feelings or strategic competition.

Now… will Meta ever let you get a real person? Will it be months before the post is reinstated?

A Reader
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A Reader
1 day ago

I think “fundamentally alter press freedoms” is a little hyperbolic. If they sued, you’d likely have a great defense case. Because of press freedoms. And they’d likely find The Internet maybe very hesitant to use their materials going forward.

But one private company trying to influence another private company regarding posted content by a third private company is maybe just a bit removed from anyone’s ability to fundamentally alter press freedoms.

I agree with you and hope Meta agrees with you too, though! Good luck! And I hope this kind of threat of legal action stuff is well-covered too! Just … why do press photos if you don’t want them used for publicity? And and and … isn’t the whole point of a hot take regarding a press photo to spur engagement and, as BYD would presumably want, get their car in front of people who may see it and like it? Seems like a massive self own more than anything to do with press freedom.

WAY2FAST
WAY2FAST
1 day ago

If BYD can’t handle the heat then they shouldn’t stay in the kitchen. Trying to stamp out any criticism regardless of how benign it is should be a damning insight into how they would respond to customer feedback or warranty claims. How should consumers be able to trust that their purchase of a vehicle worth tens of thousands of dollars would see any issues resolved if simply stating that some press photos look a little funky? It’s not uncommon to see people forced to escalate customer support issues onto social media in order for problems to be resolved. Getting a spotlight shone onto how customers aren’t being taken care of is far more damaging to a brands reputation than qualms with a few photos. If they are threatening lawsuits over this, then what steps would they take towards paying customers showing real problems with the cars? If BYD chooses to do anything but backtrack on this, then I can’t say it will be handled graciously for any real problems.

TLDR; This all signals that consumers should not trust BYD to not antagonize them if they ever go public with legitimate problems

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