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Why It’s Such A Big Deal That Chinese Automaker BYD Is Threatening To Sue Us

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Automakers have long used celebrities to give them an aura of success, style, or authenticity. This is especially important for Chinese brands, which have started to move beyond cheap cars into the realm of luxury vehicles in Europe. The latest star to endorse a Chinese automotive brand is the actor Daniel Craig, best known as James Bond, who is now the spokesperson for BYD luxury subbrand Denza.

When the company made the announcement last month, it also sent out a mix of press and marketing photos to promote the campaign, stating that Craig “will lend his image to several key vehicles being launched this year, including in marketing materials and television commercials.”

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This isn’t a campaign for the Chinese market, but one aimed at Europe, and the photos looked slightly amusing to us. There was a sense that Craig, a wonderful actor who has appeared in many films we love, looked sort of strange in the marketing materials.

Instead of posting about it on the website, we quickly put up an Instagram post that rather tamely pointed out the photos were odd. Clearly, many people agreed, because thousands of people liked and shared the post, with nearly a million seeing it before BYD threatened us with ‘legal action’ and put forth a bogus copyright claim via Instagram to have it removed.

If the image Chinese automakers want to portray is that they won’t export China’s history of authoritarian rule and press censorship alongside their cars, the behavior of BYD here is extremely disappointing.

The Original Instagram Post

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Photo: Denza/Instagram

Because it’s not currently on Instagram, above is what the slideshow post looked like. The photo was mostly factual, though it did include the commentary that the photos looked “weird as hell.” You can’t see the caption, but the caption was:

Daniel Craig’s “Bond” movies made billions across his 15-year tenure, but the former secret agent has turned towards modeling for China’s EV brand Denza and, well…the photos are something.

That’s it.

From various parts of the BYD empire there are four basic variations of the photos we used, all of which were released as press or marketing photos. One has Craig looking somewhat severe in front of an SUV. Another has Craig in a handsome sweater standing behind the Denza Z9 GT, an attractive wagon/hatch that’ll debut in Europe this summer.

The one of him with Stella Li, the longtime BYD marketing exec, in front of a sports car prototype is my favorite, especially because it looks a little like she was photoshopped in front of him (it’s possible they were together and this was just retouched so heavily it looks that way).

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Photo: Denza

If you’ve watched the excellent Knives Out films you’ve become familiar with Craig’s charming smile, so perhaps that’s why so many people online found the photos of him straight-faced so uncanny and amusing. I wish I’d saved the comments, because many people agreed there was a quality that made it seem a little like Craig had been forced to take the photo against his will.

There are sometimes instances where an automaker will use a western celebrity for a local market, and these can sometimes seem unusual to different audience. This wasn’t the case here as Li herself pointed out, saying Craig was chosen to help “bring the brand to the world” and specifically called out Europe and Latin America.

Again, this was all meant to be a quick critique of the press photos, which is an entirely valid and newsworthy thing for us to do. BYD didn’t take it that way, and have instead invoked censorship, threatened us, and broke the norms of how manufacturers and the press operate in a way that’s pretty scary if it’s allowed to stand.

BYD Europe Responds With Threats

It’s not unusual for an automaker’s PR department to be unhappy with something a journalistic outlet like The Autopian might publish, and it’s well within their right to call or email us to argue the point. This happens all the time.

BYD’s operations in Europe, as represented by their official Instagram account, didn’t attempt to argue the point with us. Instead, they went straight to threats.

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When I saw this I admittedly found it a little amusing, and showed the other journalists who were with me at the New York Auto Show and we all had a good laugh. I may have responded with a GIF of Daniel Craig laughing himself as I pointed out that many, many other publications had used the photos.

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While I’ll admit that using gifs to reply was a tad provocative, I was hoping to highlight the complete absurdity of the request, given that these were press and marketing photos. I don’t think they understood.

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I responded with a few more GIFs and tried to make my point a little clearer, asking if I should just tell all the other journalists who wrote about it that they should pull it. I was trying to get them to admit that the reasoning behind pulling our post had nothing to do with “copyrights permits” and, as I suspect, was because it was perceived as being negative.

BYD didn’t respond and, instead, used the automatic copyright complaint portal on Instagram to have valid critique from a journalist pulled.

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This isn’t Instagram’s fault. For practical reasons, Instagram pulls a post and allows for a later appeal. If this stands, this will create a dangerous precedent, which is why we’re going to appeal and why I’m making a big deal out of this.

If Companies Can Use Bogus Copyright Claims To Pull Criticism It’ll Fundamentally Alter Press Freedoms

There are vast legal and functional precedents for how photos distributed by companies as either marketing or press images can be used by media outlets. The whole purpose of these images is to be distributed, and by labeling them as such the sender relinquishes the right to claim intellectual property so long as they’re used in an editorial way.

For instance, Lexus uses this text when you attempt to download one of their press photos:

All materials on this site are for editorial use only. The use of these materials for advertising, marketing or any other commercial purpose is prohibited.

This makes sense. The intention of these images is to be used editorially, but that doesn’t give Ford the right to use Lexus photos to sell its cars. If Ford wants to do that, it has to take its own photos of a Lexus.

What BYD is trying to do is obviously a form of censorship because there are numerous copies of these photos on Instagram, but BYD appears to have only targeted us for being negative. If BYD is allowed to do this, it means that any automaker (or company of any sort) can decide retroactively to have any content it doesn’t like removed by making an illegitimate copyright claim.

In our case, our point is even stronger because we are making a legitimate critique and providing editorial commentary of the photos. This gives us more protection legally, even if the extent of the critique is as simple as pointing out the photos have an uncanny quality to them. This is called “Fair Use” and it is clearly spelled out in US copyright law why we are allowed to do this:

[T]he fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

While our comment on it was serious, the topic itself wasn’t. But what if it was?

Public radio program The World just released a story entitled: “Chinese EV giant BYD faces ‘forced labor’ investigation at Hungary factory.” If a journalist uses a BYD press or marketing image should BYD be allowed to have any related posts pulled because they didn’t like the coverage?

I can’t think of a time that a major European, Japanese, or American automaker has tried to pull something like this. Most of them are aware that copyright law forbids this kind of action and, more practically, why should the press give coverage to a company that tries to censor anyone who dares say something negative?

My hope is that this is a lower-level functionary at the company and that someone with a better understanding of the law will have the copyright complaint removed. Until then, we have an obligation to other journalists to not allow BYD to get away with this.

Photos: BYD/Denza unless otherwise noted

 

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RecoveringGTV6MaratonaOwner
RecoveringGTV6MaratonaOwner
3 hours ago

Give ’em hell!

RecoveringGTV6MaratonaOwner
RecoveringGTV6MaratonaOwner
3 hours ago

This could make a great Freedom of Speech American Company vs Authoritarian Chinese Government Company fight PR campaign that could end up in mainstream media. Torch would be perfect to lead the fight and be chief shit talker!

Scam Likely...
Scam Likely...
19 hours ago

This kind of crap by BYD makes me want to buy a BYD even less…

Ben
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Ben
1 day ago

This isn’t Instagram’s fault.

Yes and no. It’s not Instagram’s fault that the law is written in a way that is ripe for abuse, but it is their fault that the process of handling such a claim is not better. I don’t know the details of theirs in particular, but I’ve learned quite a lot about the YouTube one thanks to Gamers Nexus. It essentially buries any content that gets copyright-struck, even when the strike is invalid.

If you receive a copyright strike and dispute it (which I assume you did), the content should be restored immediately until legal proceedings, umm, proceed. Instead they favor the DMCA trolls by keeping it offline for a long enough period that it becomes essentially irrelevant once it’s back online. That bit, as I understand it, is not part of the law and is a choice they’re making.

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
1 day ago

Please keep us updated about this saga, Matt.

Alex W
Alex W
1 day ago

This is totally Instagram’s fault, or rather an issue with Instagram being a private entity charged with policing the content that shows up on its platform. It’s going to take the conservative route and pull content whenever there is a complaint and investigate later. BYD is hoping you don’t follow up, most people won’t follow up. Even if you do follow up, I don’t think BYD gets punished for making frivolous copyright claims.

I don’t know if you follow the computer gaming scene, but Gamers Nexus put out a report on how export controlled GPUs end up in China. Bloomberg hit them with a frivolous copyright claim. What Gamers Nexus does next is pretty funny, but more importantly, they broke down how punishing YouTube’s copyright policy can be for small groups to do the news.

So this is very much “a thing,” and Chinese companies aren’t the only ones doing it.

Good thing you have your own independent website.

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Inefficient.Device
Inefficient.Device
1 day ago

BYD can eat my whole ass, shit included.

This is pretty consistent behavior with every mainland Chinese firm I’ve ever interfaced with, with very, very few exceptions.

Ferenstein
Ferenstein
1 day ago

Aren’t most of their body styles copyright infringement?

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
1 day ago
Reply to  Ferenstein

Only if there was a design patent.

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago

I see BYD has taken the Nintendo approach. My suggestion is to keep coverage of them normally (past and future), but replace every press photo with a capture of their legal threat – after all, using their press photos is copyright infringement, yes? There’s no better compliance than malicious compliance.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 day ago
Reply to  Rafael

This is the best way to punish exactly this type of heavy-handedness.

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago
Reply to  Phonebem

Since writing this comment I found some of the crap they’re pulling in my old country, and I’m really surprised how far they go in their bullying. I think the Autopian should really do a full investigation, because there is a lot to cover.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 day ago
Reply to  Rafael

I’m not downplaying what you’re saying in any way, but I do think they (BYD) may have underestimated what they are dealing with in this case. As others have mentioned; The Autopian arose from a community of extremely loyal shit-talkers who, unlike on so many ad-dependant sites with free commenting, actually pay for the privilege of talking shit on here. It would be nothing for a number of us to undermine any and all of their social media marketing attempts just because we’re bored…

Buy Colorful Cars Again
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Buy Colorful Cars Again
1 day ago
Reply to  Phonebem

[double post, can’t delete]

Last edited 1 day ago by Buy Colorful Cars Again
Buy Colorful Cars Again
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Buy Colorful Cars Again
1 day ago
Reply to  Phonebem

a community of extremely loyal shit-talkers

Not for nothing but I have never seen my kind of people described so succinctly, no wonder we all pay for the privilege to put up with each other, Defector too!

Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 day ago

Thanks. Since you’ve mentioned it, and I’ve seen it mentioned enough times to be curious, how much overlap do you think there is between The Autopian and Defector members (besides us, of course)?

BTW, I get more double posts than I care to think about. I blame my work server as things are generally a bit wonkey when I’m on here…

Last edited 1 day ago by Phonebem
Rafael
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Rafael
21 hours ago
Reply to  Phonebem

No worries, I wasn’t thinking that 🙂 I just replied to you here because I can’t edit the original comment, and after I found out I wanted to “upgrade” my recommendation to get back at them. I think they went above the Nintendo threshold, and are bordering Scientology behaviour.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
7 hours ago
Reply to  Rafael

I wasn’t remotely offended in any way, I just didn’t want my comment to be taken as a glib response to a non-benign situation of corporate capture of press.

The point was that BYD is used to dealing with people under the control of the Chinese government or dealing with standalone influencers with fairly limited support. With The Autopian, they’re up against a fairly outspoken editorial staff with the support of a loyal subscriber base who willingly pays for the “honor” of shit-talking on the site for fun. We’ve seen time and time again how well that tends to go for media campaigns that run afoul of loyal fanbases (for lack of a better term).

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 day ago

What a load of crap. Both from BYD, and thinking that Daniel Craig is a better Bond than Sean Connery or Roger Moore. Kids these days.

Chartreuse Bison
Chartreuse Bison
1 day ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Well, he’s significantly more alive, so that may have factored into the decision

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 day ago

I dunno. In those photos he looks dead inside.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 day ago

SlowCarFast beat me to the obvious reply – those pictures are not particularly flattering.

None of them are going to be Bond again, so that really shouldn’t factor into the decision.

Inthemikelane
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Inthemikelane
1 day ago

Came to this late, but not for a moment should any organization have to go through this shit. Period.

El Barto
El Barto
1 day ago

Honestly, threatening reviewers and journalists with litigation is SOP for Chinese brands sold in China if they even obliquely feel they’re being negatively criticized and in the past couple of years, they’ve started exporting the same behavior to content creators outside China, because the threat of a lawsuit is expected to have the desired effect (especially if you’re a small content creator).

I have a very large sand dune that BYD and any other Chinese brand can pound.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 day ago
Reply to  El Barto

Who do they think they are? The President?

Roofless
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Roofless
1 day ago

I know y’all generally prefer to stay out of politics, but as your former colleagues over at Defector would note, sometimes the politics come for you. Fight the good fight, and don’t give the bastards an inch.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 day ago

Fight the good fight.

Freedom of the press from Gov’t interference is absolute. Freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion for those so disposed.

Last edited 1 day ago by Tbird
Phonebem
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Phonebem
1 day ago
Reply to  Tbird

Could you say that again, louder for the people in the back?

Tbird
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Tbird
1 day ago
Reply to  Phonebem

Yes! Journalism is just one bulwark against tyranny.

One that is being seriously eroded in recent times.

Last edited 1 day ago by Tbird
Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 day ago

It’s your fault that he looks like a hostage?

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 day ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

He was recruited by a third party contractor and now he can’t leave the factory in Hungary, which is a shame because I was looking forward to Knives Out episodes 4-10.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 day ago
Reply to  Dodsworth

Do we even know that these are consensual photos? Has anyone done an image lookup to see if BYD stole the images themselves?

P Hans
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P Hans
1 day ago

BYD may not be familiar with the Streisand Effect. Their actions certainly reminds the public they are a corporation owned by the communist authoritarian dictatorship and I could not have imagined a more radioactive act from them, but they may have more in store. I advise them to see humor in more situations and less aggression which is a choice and that aggression comes from fear so maybe first look at why they are scared of a few funny comments from a puny small automotive oriented news outfit.
This is a great reason to not buy a BYD car

Don Curtis
Don Curtis
1 day ago

This has nothing to do with copyright. This is how every communist dictatorship has behaved for as long as I can remember. Even the semblance of imperfection of the State won’t be tolerated. The ChiComs have just been a bit more subtle about some of it overall.

Don Curtis
Don Curtis
1 day ago

The shots further away don’t even look like him. Maybe it’s a ChiCom conSpIraCy…

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