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Z Is For: 1985 Zimmer Golden Spirit vs 1998 Honda Z

Sbsd 4 21 2025
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This is it. We’ve reached the end of the alphabet, and we’re finishing off with two cars that really don’t go together. But who said they had to? One is twice the price of the other as well, but it’s also twice the size. So on a per-pound basis, they probably cost about the same.

I had to get a little weird for the letter Y on Friday and put up a Yamaha side-by-side you can’t drive on the street against a  Lancia you can’t import yet. It wasn’t a great matchup, but I started this silly theme, and by gum, I’m gonna finish it, so I did what I had to do. You gave the Yamaha enough votes for the win, but it doesn’t sound like any of you were too happy about it.

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I don’t think I can resist the idea of that Lancia Y for only 800 Euros, though. One or two of you mentioned taking a trip to Italy, using the car while you’re there, and putting it up for sale or into storage for a couple years before you leave. It’s a dumb idea, but it’s my kind of dumb idea, and I wholeheartedly approve it.

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All right, let’s finish this stupid theme off. This was going to be Zimmer versus ZAZ, but over the weekend, my buddy Stephen Walter Gossin posted the cutest little Honda for sale in his neck of the woods in Slack, and, well, I just had to use it. I kept the Zimmer, though, because how can you not? Let’s check them out.

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1985 Zimmer Golden Spirit – $14,500

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Engine/drivetrain: 302 cubic inch overhead valve V8, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Simi Valley, CA

Odometer reading: 72,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Have you always wanted to cosplay as Cruella DeVil? Do you think the turning radius of most cars is just too tight? Have you ever wondered what Liberace would look like as a car? You’re in the right place. Allow me to present the Zimmer Golden Spirit, a neo-classical coupe based on, of all things, a Fox-body Ford Mustang.

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Zimmer kept only the roof and doors of the original Mustang sheetmetal, replacing all the rest of the bodywork with fiberglass. The wheelbase is stretched more than three feet, all the way out to 142 inches – that’s even longer than a Chevy Suburban. The Mustang’s 302 V8 and three-speed automatic are stock, so finding parts when necessary should be no problem. This one runs and drives fine, and has covered 72,000 miles, which seems like a lot for a car like this. I can’t imagine anyone dailying something like this.

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Inside, it’s just an early Fox-body Mustang, but with Recaro seats and a fancy steering wheel. It’s generally in good condition, but it appears the seats don’t match and it looks like one has been replaced. It’s loaded, of course; you can’t build a car like this and give it crank windows, as funny as that would be.

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It’s clean and shiny outside, but good grief is there a lot of crap stuck on the outside of this car. There are a total of three spare tire covers on this thing – two on the fenders and one Continental kit in the back. And I’d be willing to bet that none of them actually contain a spare tire, and that the actual spare is a donut in the trunk well.

1998 Honda Z – $7,000

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Engine/drivetrain: Turbocharged 656 cc overhead cam inline 3, four-speed automatic, AWD

Location: Wilmington, NC

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Odometer reading: 90,000 kilometers

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Not in a neo-classical mood? How about something a little smaller? Here we have the Honda Z, a Japanese domestic market Kei car with an overall length shorter than the Zimmer’s wheelbase. But this isn’t your typical little front-wheel-drive hatchback; the Z has a secret hiding under its rear seat.

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The Z is powered by a 656 cubic centimeter three-cylinder, which uses a turbocharger to make 63 horsepower, the agreed-upon maximum for Kei vehicles. None of this is unusual for a car like this, but the engine’s placement is. It’s mid-mounted, under the back seat, and drives all four wheels through a four-speed automatic transmission. Ever dream about mid-engine rally cars like the Peugeot 205 Turbo 16, or Ford RS200? This is like that, only tiny and Japanese.

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It’s right-hand drive, of course, so drive-thru windows and toolbooths will present a challenge, but Kei cars are so narrow that you could probably just lean over far enough if you don’t have someone riding shotgun to help out. This car has 90,000 kilometers on it and shows a few signs of wear in the interior, but nothing too bad. It has power windows and locks, as well as air conditioning, which works fine.

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It sits tall and is riding on some pretty beefy tires for a Kei car. The ad shows a photo of it driving on the beach, which could be fun with 4WD and mid-engine weight distribution. It’s in good condition, though it looks like the burnt-orange paint might be faded a little unevenly. Doesn’t make it any less adorable, though.

So that, I suppose you could say, is the long and the short of it. We’ve managed to find at least two cars from each letter of the alphabet. I’m still not sure what the rest of the week will bring, but I’ll figure something out. In the meantime, the choice is yours: pretend to be a rally driver in the tiny Honda Z, or go for Baroque with the Zimmer?

 

 

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Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
8 days ago

The Zimmer is a clusterfuck of sorrow, a monstrous moment of american tackiness.
The Honda looks insanely fun, and stupidly practical as a city car as well.

Dodsworth
Dodsworth
8 days ago

The Z for sure. Who’s a good boy? Who’s a good boy? You are!

Moonhawk48
Moonhawk48
8 days ago

Had to go with the Honda Z since it had the greatest car ad ever that featured ZZ Top singing about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29VWgF2MmM

JDE
JDE
8 days ago

Z all Day. I would probably hate trying to drive it over time as I am sure it would be cramped quarters and slower than it should be, but I would still rock it over the fake cord wannabe.

I feel like I would have to cosplay the Incredibles with that little Honda though.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
8 days ago

Ha, this waz pretty eazy, I gotta go Honda Z! While I actually don’t mind ze neoclassics az much as most people, it’s still too much $ for ze Zimmer, which are alwayz overpriced az it iz…and that iz definitely NOT a “babe magnet” Also, “Fox-body Ford Mustang” I don’t like Fix Or Repair Daily junk. That Z iz great and would be really fun to drive…that’z so cool it’z mid engine!
Great work Mark! This waz a great idea doing the alphabet, it waz interesting
(No, I’m not German…just doing a silly “z” theme, ha ha)

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
7 days ago

With that denial I imagined you in a pickelhaube and monocle, unconvincingly screaming “NEIN I AM NOT DEUTSCH!”

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
8 days ago

I have to go with the Zimmer because I have a policy no cars with wheelbases smaller than my waistline. Besides ain’t nobody gonna outpimp Puffdaddy Spyder. Now I just have to find the right outfit.

M SV
M SV
8 days ago

Zimmer but full uv light and deep detail needed. That thing has probably seen decades some terrifying things.

Yngve
Yngve
8 days ago

So they’re selling the plates for $12k and the Zimmer for $2500.

Sounds legit.

Rapgomi
Rapgomi
8 days ago

I had to go with the very cool Honda Z.

But if you had a Zimmer, how could you not daily drive it??
The weirdness factor alone would make it fun and hilarious.

SAABstory
SAABstory
8 days ago

Honda Z for my choice because I don’t do cocaine or want to feel like I’m driving around in Boogie Nights.

Cars? I've owned a few
Cars? I've owned a few
8 days ago

No. Not another Zimmer! The Honda looks fun, but you point out the impracticalities of RHD here in the States.

Clear_prop
Clear_prop
8 days ago

No Zamboni to finish out the alphabet? This web site is a disgrace!

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
8 days ago

I unfortunately knew someone back in the 90s with a Fox-body Zimmer, and got to ride in it once (which was enough for a lifetime). I thought it was tacky and hideous back then, and time has not softened my opinion of them today.

I have no desire to own a RHD vehicle, but that’s about the only knock against the Honda, so it easily wins my vote today.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
8 days ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Of course it is tacky that’s the point

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
8 days ago

I’m not sure it is. The owner of the one I rode in didn’t think it was tacky, and the neoclassic design was intended to emulate what people considered a more classic, dramatic design of cars from the 20s and 30s using modern parts. People may ironically own one as a statement of their own ridiculousness, but I don’t believe that was the original goal of Zimmer.

Isis
Isis
8 days ago

That Honda looks like way more fun and less hassle.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
8 days ago

I would be embarrassed to be seen in the Zimmer, so Honda for me.

Amusingly, I will be in Wilmington, NC for work tomorrow. I bet that thing is hilarious fun to drive.

Gubbin
Gubbin
8 days ago

That Zimmer is truly the spirit of Seamy Valley.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
8 days ago

I don’t know if I like the Honda, but I definitely respect it. It is impressive a car that size can have four seats and a usable cargo area. This isn’t a car for me, but I can see why someone would like this car.

The Zimmer is awful. I don’t understand the appeal of neoclassical cars, and this is a particularly bad example of a neoclassical car. Styling is cartoonish. The interior is a sea of mustard yellow plastic with fake wood accents. I am shocked someone liked it enough to drive it 72,000 miles.

Also, the asking price for this car is $19,500, not $14,500. That doesn’t influence my decision at all, though. I’m not even sure I would pay 19,500 Vietnamese dong for this thing.

FloridaNative
FloridaNative
8 days ago

I hate the idea of RHD, but I hate the idea of Zimmer far far more.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
8 days ago
Reply to  FloridaNative

That Honda is so small it won’t really matter. I bet I could reach out and adjust the passenger side mirror or pay a toll from the driver’s seat – I have really, really long arms. 🙂

The Zimmer is like automotive herpes.

Argentine Utop
Argentine Utop
8 days ago
Reply to  Kevin B Rhodes

Herpes is less embarassing than the Zimmer.

Kevin B Rhodes
Kevin B Rhodes
7 days ago
Reply to  Argentine Utop

I think I would just assume that anyone driving one has Herpes.

I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
8 days ago

That narrow vertical grill, sweeping fender thing looks great on the cars of the ’20s and ’30s (think Duesenberg and the like for peak) but to my eye it only plays well in that prewar era. I never cared for the early post war vehicles that continued that aesthetic (MG TC and TD come to mind), and it’s abhorrent on anything even newer (sorry Morgan).

So, um, not a fan of the Zimmer. Honda by default. And sorry if I offended anybody.

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Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
8 days ago

Honda for me. It’s cheaper and it isn’t a cheesy gas guzzler with terrible performance.

I’ve had personal experience with the asthmatic carb’d version of the 302 Windsor V8. But this has the “Mustang version”… uh huh… so what? It being a carb’d slushbox version of the ‘Mustang engine’ from 1985 means it only has 175hp… which is what the Zimmer registry says:
https://www.zimmerregistry.com/golden-spirit—differences.html

If this Zimmer is truly a 1985 model, then it should have the 4 speed auto, not the 3 speed:

IF it has the 3 speed auto, then it’s not a 1985 model. But the interior shots indicates a “gen 2” interior… So it’s likely just a typo in the ad.

Also about the license plate on the Zimmer… I shudder to think what times of ‘babes’ the Zimmer would be a ‘magnet’ for… which only makes me want to go for the Honda that much more.

Hillbilly Ocean
Hillbilly Ocean
8 days ago

A Zimmer registry. WTAF.

Lincoln Clown CaR
Lincoln Clown CaR
8 days ago

That’s how you keep all the counterfeits out.

CuppaJoe
CuppaJoe
8 days ago

AWD mini car FTW! But oh! What were they thinking of even making an automatic an option for this car?

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
8 days ago
Reply to  CuppaJoe

Automatics are super-common on Japanese city cars – they’re made for stop-start urban traffic so it makes a lot of sense.

Lotsofchops
Lotsofchops
8 days ago

I know the Zimmer’s aren’t exactly common but you can miss me with that price. Maybe it’s actually a steal but I can’t imagine paying that for that.

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
8 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

But you’re not just buying a car… you’re buying a ‘babe magnet’. Of course let’s not talk about what type of babes you’ll be attracting…

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
8 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

Zimmers, and neoclassics in general, have always seemed to go for prices that are crazy to me. I always thought they’d crash after the original buyer demographic died off (basically, the grandparents of Baby Boomers), but people really seem to keep paying that much and more

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
8 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

The worst part is that Mark got the price wrong. The asking price is actually $19,500.

Lotsofchops
Lotsofchops
8 days ago

And perusing this site, apparently that’s still a good price. Insanity!
https://classiccarsbay.com/us-zimmer-c1052

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
8 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

Unbelievable.

Also, I’m surprised to see there are 31 for sale right now. I’m surprised they even sold 31 of these new.

The Mark
The Mark
8 days ago

The box on the right under “Classified” shows $19,500 but then if you scroll down to the description it does say $14,500. Either way, I’m not sure I’d pay $4,500 for this cocaine-fueled nightmare.

KYFire
KYFire
8 days ago

Zesty ziggy zippy Z zings zany Zimmer zho

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Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
8 days ago

(◔ૂ◔) Hmmm….. wondering if current Zimmer owner will include full length fur coat with Zimmer purchase. 😉

Honda for me!

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
8 days ago
Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
8 days ago

LOL!! That’s exactly what every Zimmer owner needs!!! 😉

Tim Cougar
Tim Cougar
8 days ago

This is a tough choice for me because I genuinely and unironically want them both. But my land yacht needs are already met, so today I’ll choose the dinghy to hang off the back.

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