If one thing’s certain, it’s change. From skyrocketing values for 2000s enthusiast cars to the expected deflation of post-war cars not relatable to a younger audience, the collector car world is always moving, and a big player just announced another big move. Car auction site Cars & Bids is venturing outside its initial mission by now accepting cars made before 1981 on the platform.
Since The Chernin Group acquired a majority stake in Cars & Bids back in 2023, it’s been trying to boost profits and cut expenses, with rounds of layoffs over the past two years and higher buyer’s fees. Now, another measure to expand has been introduced. Yesterday, an email went out to all Cars & Bids registered users stating the following:


We’ve always built Cars & Bids for the modern enthusiast — someone who loves interesting cars, appreciates great design, and enjoys the thrill of a well-run auction.
But being a modern enthusiast doesn’t mean only liking modern cars.
So, starting today, we’re expanding what you’ll see on Cars & Bids: we’re now accepting and auctioning great cars from before 1981.
It’s something many of you have been asking for — and frankly, something we’ve wanted too. Pre-1981 classics are a huge part of car culture, and we’re excited to bring the same great experience (fast turnaround, exceptional support, curated auctions, and a passionate community) to a wider mix of cool cars.
Huh. Alright, while that wasn’t the original mission of the site, accepting cars built before 1981 is a way to potentially broaden horizons and pump volume. While Cars & Bids has been clocking around 32 cars per day this week, that’s a relatively modest increase from what we saw in 2022 and a fairly small number compared to Bring A Trailer auctioning off more than 100 lots yesterday.

Adjusting vehicle age ranges is also probably something that should’ve happened a while ago, because thematically, some great cars of the ’80s started production in the 1970s. Vehicles like the Porsche 928 made famous by “Risky Business”, the Ferrari 308 everyone saw in “Magnum P.I.”, and the Lamborghini Countach. Accepting a 1982 Ferrari 308 GTSi but not, say, a 1979 Ferrari 308 GTB seems a little weird given both models had similar cultural impact on the yuppie decade.

Here’s the thing: Besides the celebrity factor, two distinguishing features that set Cars & Bids apart from Bring A Trailer were lower buyer’s fees and a more modern selection of cars. Now that buyer’s fees have been raised to match what Bring A Trailer is asking and vehicle criteria have expanded to cover cars prior to 1981, the waters are murkier than ever.

This is one of the weird problems with being a smaller player without an exclusive product. If you prove there’s money in a niche underserved by larger competitors, those competitors can just move into that niche. It sure seems that Bring A Trailer expanded its intake after being acquired by Hearst, and with vehicles like mid-aughts Lexus SUVs and fairly normal 2000s Mercedes-Benzes crossing the block, Bring A Trailer looks as if it’s picking up some vehicles that previously would’ve been obvious Cars & Bids material.

So, how does Cars & Bids move forward here? Well, one potential path is focusing more on daily driver-condition or number four condition classic cars. Cars with higher mileage and a few imperfections that might need a little work upon delivery, but can be picked up for a solid deal. There’s still a huge market for fun cars that aren’t perfect, fun cars for the rest of us. Right now, that doesn’t seem to be the case with most of the first hand-picked pre-1981 cars, but we’ll keep our eyes open to see if the auction site pursues that affordable classics avenue. More machines like this dentside Ford (above) and fewer high-dollar restomods, please.
Top graphic credit: Cars & Bids
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I’m kinda surprised it was Hearst and not Cox that got into this space. I worked for two TV stations each now owned by one or the other. Cox Automotive owns Manheim, KBB and autotrader.com among other businesses. I’ve never read that Hearst had automotive interests. Perhaps they do, but not as prominently as Cox.
Yeah, we need a Shitbox Auction site where you ACTUALLY have to…
bring a trailer!
Facebook marketplace?
craigslist still technically is up.
I don’t even drive pick ups, but that dentside is in fine shape. I would actually drive that thing unironically. Those are the Fords I remember clearly used as work trucks when I was young in the early 80’s. The 7th Gen (1980) were around, but that was a big change, even to my young eyes.
Kind of baffles me that they had any restrictions to start with. It’s an *online* auction platform. It’s all but completely virtual. There is no real limitation to how many auctions they can run at once, might as well run *lots of them*. Sure, don’t accept 2010 Corollas, but anything an enthusiast would find interesting should be fair game, regardless of when it was built.
BaT royally pissed me off years ago before they got bought out. I had what should have been an absolute no-brainer for a site called “Bring a Trailer” – a not completed but all there 90% finished restoration of a ’69 Saab Sonett V4 that had *documented* $30K spent on the restoration, then the owner died. Mint, but not completely assembled and not to the point of running yet (wiring not done). They wouldn’t take it. I got it in trade for a car from a buddy who bought it from the widow, but I didn’t have time or energy to deal with it. Ended up passing it along to another friend who got it running and sold it back to Sweden for $$$$$.
Don’t think C&B is doing very well. Mods are all over the place; I’ll post a comment similar to someone else’s and it gets deleted, while others will go off on something unrelated to the auction and those remain. About a third recently have been RNMs, and some of the cars I just don’t see as “enthusiast” (for example a current auction is for ’23 Tesla Model Y Long Range, a car Tesla has sold hundreds of thousands of in the last few years) or a high-mileage Toyota Tacoma. Are they struggling to find sellers?
They deleted my seriously mild comments on a CT auction recently…. whic RNMed, then returned like a zombie a week later?? (Still can’t wrap my head around exactly what happened there, though i do suspect desperation).
I have sold a car there, and was thinking of another one. Now I’m rethinking.
They’ve been busted several times deleting comments critical of seller behaviour and poorly represented cars. Real scummy behaviour.
Struggling to find buyers and sellers both.
It is all relative.
Their original market is by definition not “scalable” in the way that investors want.
They were broadly speaking the best at what they did.
They did not take every car.
They put serious effort in to making each auction a little bit special.
Now they are going much more toward just another car auction website.
And I’ve got no real problem with that, actually.
Deleted comments … yeah, that’s a bad look.
This was inevitable. I’ll give it another couple years before they start offering parts
I was hanging out on BaT back when they were cataloging cars for sale elsewhere, and it was a lot of fun. I mostly check in on Daily Turisimo now. I even sold my mom’s driven to Prudho Bay and back pickup there. Actually it was more like given away https://dailyturismo.com/hughs-truck-1991-dodge-ram-250-cummins-diesel/
That was pretty epic.
Somehow I forgot about Daily Tourismo even though I wrote a few pieces for them back in the day. https://dailyturismo.com/author/miked/
Vince is still going.strong!
so it begins circling the drain. bummer.
The issue is that a lot of those older cars, especially muscle cars, bring with them an insane amount of items to verify for authenticity. If C&B has no experience verifying a genuine SS Chevelle, for example, and some non-factory ones get through, the platform will lose credibility for those types of sellers pretty quick.
I had always thought the date restriction was more about this than a love of ‘modern’ cars from 40 years ago.
1981 plus increases the chances that the cars have titles and easily found registration or accident histories.
Since they have a reduced staff and are now getting into cars that require more work to verify, this will be a great place to sell your Brazilian-modified many window VW bus that really had many fewer windows.
Wasn’t the 1981 model year when the modern 17-digit VIN started to be used across all vehicles?
That sounds familiar to me, but I’m not sure.
Edit: Wikipedia says 1981. You are correct.
They’re going to get a lot of the BaT rejects as a result of this, which was maybe their goal. But I can say that, as someone who has worked extensively in the muscle/collector car world, has had to verify countless muscle cars, and has dealt with the incredibly demanding and whiny boomers that own these cars, I don’t think C&B knows what’s coming. And they have to do this with a reduced staff, like you said.
Yeah, excellent take.
They could do what they did because they were set up intentionally.
As stated above, its just not scalable to keep that mission.
It doesn’t take many buyers who get burned to destroy that cred.
C&B probably had one of the highest, if not the highest, repeat user bases.
I don’t see that continuing as it descends into more of a caveat emptor type of place.
The wheels on that Corvette are most definitely post-1981. Yuk.
(Edit: I mean, I like the wheels, just not on that car.)
A crime against humanity. C2 ranks among the best looking cars for me. Not alone considering $100,000 range prices.
It’s ok, but it’s no Barn Finds.
I hope it never becomes that. I love Barn Finds.
Their prices posted make sense. It is tethered to reality.
I think the combination of YouTube and auction sites for the masses has made the interest in older cars jump, but has driven prices higher than they logically should be.
I’m also spending less time consuming YouTube and looking at auction sites… I’m thinking the scarcity mindset deeply impacted everyone. Now we are moving back to reality, 1970-whatever ratted out C-10s should be $1,500 not $15k.
THIS…is a 1918 Model T, and today I’m going to show you all of its quirks and features. And you can buy this car in my car auction website….
I’d actually love to see Doug review something as old as a Model T, although RCR did a pretty good job
“Well, one potential path is focusing more on daily driver-condition or number four condition classic cars.”
Cars & Bids already had this angle. A couple of years ago they accepted my driver quality 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 that BaT would not.
[Pushes up glasses]
The black roof spoiler pictured on that 308 wasn’t an option until the QV version in 1982, so the photo ISN’T the version that everyone saw on Magnum PI.
The BaT crowd seems to get excited when project cars come through, and hearken back to the early days when “bring a trailer” was literal regarding non-running cars. Assuming that BaT has been turning away such clunkers as the platform gains stature, maybe C&B will gravitate more toward those less-than-perfect cars as a step or two above Craigslist/FB Marketplace.
He drove a QV starting in Season 4. One probably needs to be way too invested in both Magnum and cars to know that.

That’s a good bit of trivia, thanks! Did the season 4 car have a spoiler?
If we weren’t all too invested, we wouldn’t be commenting.
Not sure that links are working right now, but the Internet Movie Cars Database at IMCDB.org is a go-to source for answres to questions just like these!
https://pics.imcdb.o/9656/mpi-402-30.jpg
https://pics.imcdb.o/9656/mpi-413-07.jpg
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_496371-Ferrari-308-QV-GTSi-1984.html
It sure does and I should have thought of that. Thanks!
As an original viewer of the original Magnum, I looked hard for a 308 for a while. Eventually decided that I couldn’t afford an example that was worth having, but went way down the rabbit hole on the different variants.
I hope you find one someday! My high-mileage Ferrari is just as fun as a pricier example.*
*If you’ve got a line on a good mechanic, that is. Otherwise very frustrating.
I bought an air-cooled 911 instead, back when no one cared! Come to think of it, mine might have gained enough value that I can trade it in at least towards a 308 GT4