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Why Did Anyone Believe That A Chinese Vacuum Company Was Going To Build This Clearly-Fake EV Rocket Car?

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One of the strangest invitations we received this year was for the unveil of a new electric car, complete with rockets, from a Chinese company better known for making vacuums and toothbrushes. Dwayne Wade and Steve Wozniak would be there, we were told, as if their presence would somehow make up for the fact that everything they promised sounded basically impossible.

This is the challenge of interfacing with the Chinese car industry in general. It’s true that Chinese car companies have been able to build competitive — and frankly almost unbelievable — EVs with amazing features on a faster timeline than anyone expected, like the Xiaomi SU7 that’s setting ‘Ring records. It’s also true that more startup Chinese car brands have failed than succeeded. It’s been a wild, and also very short ride for this one.

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To be clear, Dreame is an absolutely real company that produces a lot of popular products in China, so could this be the next Xiaomi? That was the question on our minds when we heard what they were planning. The more specifics we heard, though, the more fantastical it all sounded.

Here’s a slide from the company:

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Wow, 0-62 MPH in just 0.9 seconds. That’s fast. Too fast. It’s also generally only achievable by a car that large if you add a rocket. Apparently, they were adding rockets. This is the Nebula NEXT 01 JET Edition, which was supposed to be the first production car sold with the full Wernher Braun treatment.

Being highly skeptical, we sent an automotive engineer friend of ours to go check it out, and he brought back some interesting photos, including of said “rockets” on the Nebula NEXT:

Dreame Rockets

Yup, those are rockets. Actually, the car doesn’t look so bad. A closer look at the “rockets” revealed that, like Carmelo Anthony, they weren’t really rockets:

“These influencers,” our man sighed. “’The world’s first production concept car with rockets’ … wut. Nope. I can’t see anything that gives me the fizz. Not even logos on the calipers. These could easily be in the next F&F movie and then become peg warmer Hot Wheels at your local Walmart. Like … why put a carbon fiber surround on a rocket exhaust?”

“There are no gaps around the rockets. Everything has been blocked by plastic covers. Feels like horseshit … there are no air inlets, no air outlets, all grilles are decorative and are blocked off, red car has the rockets, and they have carbon fiber cases? No mention of fueling, cool down, etc. It doesn’t look to me like they’re real rockets, just that they’re fab’d to look like rockets … They’re saying they’re functional, but it’s hard to see how that’s possible given the presentation here.”

Commenters, too, weren’t convinced, with Erik Hancock writing:

Hilarious. Those nozzles look like the sort of things a kid draws – a mishmash of a bunch of different technologies they don’t understand but that look badass. Those nozzles are not from a rocket, but from a jet engine. They’ve got variable-geometry “turkey feathers” that suggest afterburners as well as the tailcone that is typically part of the turbine assembly – as opposed to an actual rocket that is just a plain nozzle with no central suspended assembly.

Here’s Dreame explaining the rockets in a slide:

Rocket Slide

Our engineer basically left feeling like this whole automotive thing was just a ploy to get people to care about all the stuff Dreame currently makes:

China is at the cutting edge of EV development, so even if these two concepts were just design-bucks, there’s a possibility that Dreame could either build them or simply use them to showcase tech they’ll sell to someone else.

Or they’re just complete vaporware there to get people talking about the brand. Who the heck knows.

That skepticism was well earned and now we have what seems like an answer: Dreame is reportedly getting out of the industry before it ever sells a single car to anyone. Car News China has the dirt on what happened:

[I]nternal sources suggest the project was more about marketing and fundraising than genuine manufacturing. Former employees revealed to China Economy that the “supercar” model shown at CES lacked a chassis and was moved via remote control. The “Rocket Car” model was allegedly purchased from a Shanghai-based model company for several million yuan (hundreds of thousands USD) and modified with a chassis and thrusters to create a visual effect for the cameras.

Insiders further claimed that the company’s operational logic was inverted, instead of investing in R&D to create a product, employees were required to secure funding first before R&D budgets were allocated. One former employee noted that the company used high salaries and inflated titles to poach talent from established automakers, focusing on financing rather than production.

That’s not ideal.

Guess who absorbed all of this with little skepticism? Influencers, of course. Here’s “911 Reviews” at the same event:

How does this have a million views? What’s bizarre is that the 911Reviews host made it sound like the car is a real thing. “So this doesn’t feel like a car with software added in, it feels like a machine built around software from the start. The AI-driven interface is fluid, responsive, almost predictive. It’s not just reacting, it feels like it’s interpreting” he says in the video, saying it’s like Tesla. He goes on to say “The execution is real, and this car backs it up.”

Except, of course, it seems obvious to me that the car was never real, so how did the host know the AI-driven interface actually worked? The video description does include “This is a sponsored video and the Amazon link is a referral link,” so maybe it was paid promotion. Normally I’d say if something seems sketchy, it probably is, but Chinese automakers have been doing some amazing things. So be careful out there.

Did the company ever plan to build a car? Maybe Dreame was just a little too late to the party. Specifically, the Chinese Communist Party, which is no longer supporting the EV industry like it used to back in the good old days of the early 2020s. Sales are down in China, and the Chinese government is cracking down on bad behavior by automakers.

Given that Dreame is an already seemingly successful company that already has a core business, maybe discretion is the better part of valor here. Or, in the words of another poet: It was all a Dreame…

Top photo: The Autopian

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Hazdaz
Hazdaz
5 hours ago

Smoke and mirrors from the Chinese?!?!

Waaaaa??

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
6 hours ago

At least the non-existent Tesla Roadster scheduled for a 2020 release (or 2027. or 2028) will definitely totally use cold gas thrusters, which are actually possible. And you’d assume some SpaceX engineers helped out with that, so they have the knowledge base to potentially make it a reality. I still ain’t holding my breath, but it’s more technically feasible than the Dreame ever was.

Ian McClure
Ian McClure
7 hours ago

I said it last time and I’ll say it again: I love Woz, but the man needs to learn how to decline an invitation.

Sklooner
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Sklooner
7 hours ago

So Elio could be the first with rockets then

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
8 hours ago

So I guess you can say that if we want to buy one of these, we should Dreame On…

Njd
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Njd
9 hours ago

Check out the comments on that youtube video. Has to be like 95% bots and 5% credulous rubes. Or maybe I’m underestimating the amount of credulous rubes out there.

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
11 hours ago

Influencers continue to do a great job influencing me not to pay any attention to their stupid thumbnail faces and sponsored word vomit.

Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
11 hours ago

This is one the level of the solid state battery that Mercedes has written about.

Matty
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Matty
12 hours ago

The whole ‘fundraising without an engineering team’ sounds awfully familiar to Autopian’s interview with the CEO of REO last month…

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
8 hours ago
Reply to  Matty

I wonder if the same level of coke-snorting is involved…

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
7 hours ago
Reply to  Matty

At least the REO is within the realm of physics and possibility. Doesn’t mean it will, and I personally wouldn’t bet on their success.

Freddy Bartholomew
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Freddy Bartholomew
19 hours ago

I enjoy reading about this nonsense… now. Seven-plus years ago, I was working for company that tried to do business and financing with companies in China. What a disaster. Levels of fraud, corruption, and bad behavior were universally high. A drunk finance person got thrown in jail in China for punching out an Uber driver and stealing the car. One company pretended that they had developed a water-vapor barrier film, like ours. It turns out that they bought our film and then passed it through their machine, where, if anything, it degraded the performance. The US company went bankrupt and I retired. Our manufacturing technology worked, but there was no market. I was more fortunate with prior career accomplishments, so no complaints.

BenCars
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BenCars
20 hours ago

So, same like the Dyson car then…

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
20 hours ago

For no particular reason, Eric Hancock’s swift dismantling of the exhaust assemblies lives rent free in my head. I just very sharply remember reading it back when it was first posted, and how thoroughly it took down the fantastical 9-year-old boy sketch-of-rocket car, and I’ve appreciated it ever since.

Now, when they get those Donut Labs batteries in place, then we’ll be cooking.

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
21 hours ago

911Reviews:
“2001 – zero stars, would not recommend”

Disphenoidal
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Disphenoidal
21 hours ago

Used to read Car News China magazine
Dwayne Wade and Steve Wozniak in the limousine

Angrycat Meowmeow
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Angrycat Meowmeow
22 hours ago

The few sentences you quoted from the “review” reek of chatgpt.

Dreame said “say nice things about this car to help us sell vacuums and we’ll give you a cut”, they prompted chatgpt to write a fictional review of vaporware, read the response out loud, and now collect a paycheck.

SoWontLetMeKeepMyManual
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SoWontLetMeKeepMyManual
2 hours ago

Literally was going to make the same comment.
Everything about the syntax screams LLM.
He put as much work into his script as Dreame did to their body-in-white: none, but is dressed up with fluff to give it the appearance of substance

Parsko
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Parsko
23 hours ago

Did the company ever plan to build a car? Maybe Dreame was just a little too late to the party. Specifically, the Chinese Communist Party…

Dude, you won COTD with that line.

Stryker_T
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Stryker_T
8 hours ago
Reply to  Parsko

my vote goes to “A closer look at the “rockets” revealed that, like Carmelo Anthony, they weren’t really rockets”



Andy Individual
Andy Individual
23 hours ago

Meh. I grew skeptical of all the Artemis taxi claims long ago.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
23 hours ago

Dang, and here I was about to send them a deposit.

M SV
M SV
23 hours ago

It would have been more convincing if they had slapped some remove before flight covers on the “rockets”. I’m still surprised no one has strapped those $16k turbo fan engines they make for drones on a super car looking thing. They wouldn’t really do anything but you could say it’s jet powered.

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
8 hours ago
Reply to  M SV

Jay Leno has a jet powered car (that he and his team built)

Phuzz
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Phuzz
7 hours ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

Do you mean his Chrysler Turbine Car? That was an original Chrysler prototype, and he had it rebuilt by the surviving engineers (not his own team, who are great, but not turbine specialists).
I guess you mean the EcoJet. Trust Jay Leno to have two jet turbine cars! And a jet-powered bike!

M SV
M SV
2 hours ago
Reply to  Baltimore Paul

If anyone is going to have a jet car it’s going to be leno. It would be interesting to see what leno would do if he was starting a car company. He seems plugged into all sides really seems to like the telo and slate. But also has the crazy stuff.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
1 day ago

LMAO. Solid booster??? Once you light a solid rocket it’s on until it runs out of fuel.

Rick Garcia
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Rick Garcia
23 hours ago
Reply to  Spopepro

As Jeremy Clarkson would say, POWER!

JJ
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JJ
23 hours ago
Reply to  Spopepro

I don’t see the problem.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
22 hours ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Ok, seeing the numbers (I guess I may have missed the earlier articles) this is all very, very silly. 100kn thrust was almost certainly derived backwards, not from the spec sheet of an engine they wanted to use. Those numbers are about right for a 1800kg object with ok aerodynamics being launched horizontally. Of course… it basically assumes the electric motors are contributing nothing in this situation.

But… 100kn thrust! The JATO rockets the air force uses produce 4.5kn! Granted, they use like 20 of them but still that’s still less thrust than what’s reported on that slide. You have to have an incredibly specialized permit to possess a 5kn rocket motor (Level 3 High Power). I can’t even begin to explain how completely fantastical that slide is.

edit: here’s a static test of a 10kn high power rocket motor

Last edited 22 hours ago by Spopepro
RC
RC
18 hours ago
Reply to  Spopepro

To be fair, it would represent true innovation in “hybrid” vehicle power.

electric/gas: boring, been done by Toyota for a quarter century

electric/diesel: Now you have my attention. We’ve been doing this with submarines for a century, why not cars?

electric/rocket: Well, now we’ve solved multiple problems with EV’s. You’ll hear it coming. You’ll see it coming. It cleanses the street behind it. It’s an EV not just with another means of propulsion, but panache.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
16 hours ago
Reply to  RC

“electric/rocket”. A real thing but produces nowhere near 100 kN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
10 hours ago
Reply to  RC

Not only does it clean the street, it melts the asphalt, smoothing out any cracks or potholes.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 day ago

Maybe the Central Committee denied their application for permission to enter the automobile industry, like they did to Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery some years back

LMCorvairFan
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LMCorvairFan
1 day ago

Another fine event from the era of maximum BS, it sucks and blows.

VNY Pilot
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VNY Pilot
1 day ago

I think you meant Wernher Von Braun… the rocket scientist, right?

RKranc
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RKranc
1 day ago
Reply to  VNY Pilot

You too may be a big hero
Once you’ve learned to count backwards to zero
“In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down
Und I’m learning Chinese!” says Wernher von Braun – Tom Lehrer

Last edited 1 day ago by RKranc
VNY Pilot
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VNY Pilot
20 hours ago
Reply to  RKranc

I had the great pleasure of taking a class at UC Santa Cruz, many years ago, taught by Tom Lehrer called “The Nature of Math”. I was terrible at the math part but he was an amazing person to learn from

DONALD FOLEY
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DONALD FOLEY
9 hours ago
Reply to  VNY Pilot

Back in the era of the Gemini program, I wrote to the Marshal Space Flight Center and received an autographed photo of Wernher von Braun.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
1 day ago

James May-“So does this mean they aren’t coming on then?”

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
16 hours ago

No, James. The rockets were fake and the cringe killed most of the attendees

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