Cars come in all shapes and sizes, and that’s good, because so do people’s tastes. And often, you can get the same car in a few different versions, to make it even closer to what you really want. For some people, not even that goes far enough, and for them, there is the aftermarket. Today, we’re going to look at a couple of old American intermediate four-door sedans. One is as it left the factory, and the other has been jazzed up quite a bit.
We had another blowout yesterday; the Volvo 940 absolutely wiped the floor with that old Peugeot. Many of you confessed an appreciation for the Peugeot, but found the Volvo just too much of a draw. Peugeot being an orphan brand in the US didn’t help its case either, because parts could be hard to come by.
That Volvo is an awfully nice car, and it looks like a good deal, but it doesn’t do anything for me. The Peugeot, on the other hand, calls to me like a siren. Would I end up regretting it? Maybe, but I can’t resist. Someone said you could probably sell the wheels for the asking price of the Peugeot. Sounds like a deal to me.

When I was younger, I had a lot of friends who liked to modify cars. I never really got into it myself, after a few disappointing experiments, but I did help out with a few projects. Out goes the old perfectly-running six-cylinder, in goes a V8 of questionable quality, covered in chrome bric-a-brac. Scruffy interior parts are ignored, but shiny new wheels and tires worth more than the car get bolted on. And whole cases of spray cans of gray primer get applied over old faded paint.
The results of these endeavors was sometimes a lot of fun, but honestly, I never understood what was wrong with the cars in their original condition. I guess I’d rather maintain something and enjoy it as-is than put in a ton of effort to make it go a little faster. But I don’t hold anything against anyone who feels the need for speed. Today, we’ve got one car that has been hopped-up, and one that’s factory stock, so the choice is yours.
1965 Chevrolet Chevelle 300 – $7,500

Engine/drivetrain: 350 cubic inch OHV V8, four-speed manual, RWD
Location: Menifee, CA
Odometer reading: 99,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
American cars got a lot bigger over the course of the 1950s. Too big, in the eyes of some buyers, who embraced the smaller offerings from Nash, as well as imports like Volkswagen. The Big Three responded with small cars of their own, and those sold well, but there was space in the market for something in between. Ford was the first to offer an intermediate-sized car, the Fairlane, but Chevy wasn’t far behind with the Chevelle. This 1965 Chevelle is a base 300 model, which probably came originally with a four- or six-cylinder engine. It’s got a bit more than that now.

GM cars of this era are a lot like Lego sets: everything fits everything. You can mix and match parts to your heart’s content to get just the car you want. This Chevelle is now powered by a 350 cubic inch small-block V8, backed by a four-speed manual. It has a Positraction rear end, a quick-ratio steering box from a Trans Am, and power brakes with a disc conversion in the front. The whole suspension has been rebuilt, too. It “runs and drives and stops just fine,” according to the seller, and I bet it moves.

The interior doesn’t look bad, but it’s unfinished. It needs a new headliner, but the seller is including one. I can’t tell if the seat upholstery is original or if it has been redone, but it’s in nice shape. The blue sparkly steering wheel and shift knob are a choice, but they’re easy enough to change if you don’t like them.

It’s all in primer outside, “ready for paint” according to the seller, but all the trim has been reinstalled, so I have a feeling they meant to leave it like this. Painting cars isn’t cheap, but personally, I think it’s worth it in this case. Why put all that work into the mechanics, and then leave it looking like a high school kid’s car?
1970 AMC Rebel – $4,500

Engine/drivetrain: 232 cubic inch OHV inline 6, three-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Folsom, CA
Odometer reading: 305,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well, but needs a little tinkering
American Motors made its name building small and simple cars. But as the muscle car wars of the 1960s heated up, AMC wanted to shed its fuddy-duddy image and join in on the fun. Thus, in 1967, its Rambler Classic line was replaced with the Rebel, which was available with increasingly large V8 engines and increasingly flashy graphics. But most Rebels were more like this one: a simple, plain, no-nonsense four-door sedan.

This Rebel eschews V8 power in favor of AMC’s legendary inline six, displacing 232 cubic inches and making 145 horsepower by the old SAE gross measurement. It has a three-speed column-shifted automatic. This combination has served it well; its odometer has gone around three whole times, and it comes with service records going all the way back. It runs well, but the seller says it stalls on hard acceleration until it warms up, and it can run a little hot in stop-and-go traffic. The stalling issue is probably related to the choke, and the hot running could be a sticking thermostat. Both are easy fixes. It also has a small transmission fluid leak, which, if it’s not too serious, could probably just be lived with.

It’s very original inside, in an ugly but endearing shade of green. The upholstery is torn in a couple of places, and the dashboard top has some cracks, but it looks honest. The speedometer doesn’t work properly; it sits at 60 when the car is standing still and goes up from there. If you can’t do the math on the fly, better get a GPS speedometer.

It’s incredibly clean and original outside, with all four hubcaps even still present. It doesn’t have any rust, either. The seller says the left front fender was replaced at some point, but you sure can’t tell.
So many old cars from the 1960s and ’70s have been modified in some way that it’s almost cooler to see one that’s totally stock, at least to me. But a well-done project like that Chevelle is impressive, too. It all depends on your tastes. So what will it be: the modified Chevy, or the survivor AMC?









You had me at AMC inline six.
Have to go AMC plus the color scheme is rad.
Chevelles rock
That is a sweet survivor AMC with a choice period color scheme. I’d drive and keep adding to the pile of receipts and maintenance history.
The Chevelle seems like it would be a fun driver with that parts list. I can get past it being a mordor, but I was never big on the 64/65 body style. If this was a 66/67 I’d be all over it.
I still prefer it over the AMC, but I’m not 7500 bucks in love with it.
I’m excited to see the Rebel in the lead.
I too, am pleasantly surprised
Chevelle would give me that ear to ear grin, AMC not as much
Rebel for me. I love orphan brands for starters, and repowering the Rebel with a new 4.0 (if I were so inclined; I don’t drive fast so it’s not a high priority) is actually pretty straightforward and would yield drivability and reliability dividends immediately.
I love how clean it looks.
The Rebel would certainly be the more unusual and interesting of the two, but the Chevelle, even though something of a project, would much more of an immediately fun car. Just can’t resist the V-8/manual combo. I’m going Chevelle, but I’m bringing a replacement steering wheel with me when I go to pick it up.
The body on that Rebel looks to be in great condition…but, who wants a 4-door AMC? At least with the Chevelle replacement parts are plentiful.
Voted Chevelle.
The Chevelle has got the power and is mechanically ready, has a decent interior but a vintage teal metallic paintjob will bring it north of $10K. You can honestly do much worse than that for a mechanically and aesthetically sorted, non-stock but classic vehicle. The steering wheel and shifter knob can stay.
The Rebel seems like it’s the one I would like better early on, but my OCD would make me want to fix the few mechanical bits, upholstery and dash in short order, which will probably bring it closer to the unpainted Chevelle, while it might still leave me wanting for more power.
Coin toss: it landed Chevelle
I really like both but can’t turn down an awesome Chevelle. I like the wheel/shifter knob…I’d keep those and paint the car blue. Then I’d have a ton of fun cruising!
I’ll take the Rebel. I have friends everywhere.
The Rebel is a livable 70s classic for “screw it” money. And the paint and interior colors make it look like it’s been shot in that urine-toned film stock they used in the 70s.
I like the look of the Rebel better, design wise. But, V8 and manual plus the metal flake blue wheel and shifter just makes me imagine the kind of crazy you could get away with on the paint and interior on the Chevy. The AMC would be nice if cleaned up and would be a nice time machine to drive around in. The Chevelle could be that car everyone knows in the neighborhood for good and bad reasons.
Have to take the Chevelle.
Neither of these would be my pick for a fun weekend car.
So my vote goes to Rebel since it’s way cheaper and isn’t a project.
The Chevelle will be more interesting… once the project is finished.
But right now, it’s still an unfinished project. So to me, it’s overpriced by at least $3000.
Chevelle, mostly for the V8 and manual. The AMC would be fine, but since I would be buying this as a fun weekend car, the AMC wouldn’t be much fun. Sure, I could swap in a V8 and stick, but building an AMC V8 is unreasonably expensive these days, so I’d end up going down the route of a GM or Ford small block, and at that point I might as well start with a car that is already mostly there in the Chevelle. I’m not the best painter, but I can do a decent home paint job in my garage…
If the Chevelle was original with a V8, then I’d probably go that way more quickly but of course, it would be a lot more expensive. I usually shy away from other people’s unfinished projects. But today, I think I would paint it a nice blue-green that you can see under the hood, fix the speedo and enjoy it for a few years until gas hits $7/gal.
That Rebel just doesn’t do much for me. It just looks like an well maintained old-man car. My grandfather had a Buick that was very similar in nearly the same colors. It’s original but in a way I could never care about.
Gone be a close one today!
The AMC is just a good honest classic and the ad is equally honest. The automotive equivalent of a nice, well-kept ranch home that hasn’t been remodeled since the 70s. I like it.
neither. for that money there are better options in that area.
MorDoor suggestion
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/loma-linda-1969-cadillac-brougham/7922174088.html
Offroad
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/apple-valley-1973-jeep-cj/7923669497.html
fixer upper – but cool and manual
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/homeland-1969-ford-ranchero-302/7922466125.html
And it is Cali, who does not want a dune buggy
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/temecula-1968-vw-street-legal-dune-buggy/7923157748.html
Damn, I like that Caddy!
“You think I’ve never ridden in a Cadillac? I’ve ridden in a Cadillac hundreds of times…THOUSANDS!”
“And tell your son I want my pen back.”
I do think you would be such a big shot because you got a Cadillac!
This is weird, but I really dig the Rebel. It looks like something that a high school math teacher would roll up in while Columbo is investigating the untimely demise of the chemistry teacher.
The Chevelle never came with a 4-cylinder engine. Your choices for this 1st-gen were:
194 cu in (3.2 L) Hi-Thrift I6
230 cu in (3.8 L) Turbo-Thrift I6
250 cu in (4.1 L) Turbo-Thrift I6
283 cu in (4.6 L) Small-Block V8
327 cu in (5.4 L) Small-Block V8
396 cu in (6.5 L) Big-Block V8
(Source: Wikipedia)
Even though I’m a GM fan, I voted for the AMC today because it was cheaper and I live in Wisconsin. Every time I go to Kenosha I see AMCs driving around.
My mistake. I was thinking of the Chevy II/Nova.
Instead of admitting it, you could have just claimed it was an April Fools prank to see if us readers were paying attention. 🙂
They were pretty close in styling
While the AMC is…. colorful, I think if it followed me home I’d swap in a Jeep 4.0 with fuel injection and all. Same footprint, boosted power–enough to make it daily-drivable if desired, with the same six-cylinder sounds.
indeed, same a lot of things in the end. though I do wonder these days if a stock 4.0 30 year old injection system is really much better than say an aftermarket Holley sniper on the OG engine? I imagine it is, but I have a stop TBI from the early 90’s on a 350 in a jeep and it has occasional hiccups that I often think might be related to 8 bit era computer systems.
The chevelle is probably the “better “ car but the colors on the AMC rule. I would much rather see it every day. Yellow and green for the win.
So Conflicted here, Get the Chevy, where parts are plentiful but far more plentiful ( and V8 Manual), or the Rebel, to keep my love of AMC’s alive. Not many will recognize the Rebel, and that will get people asking questions.
AMC
if the rebel were an SST, or really even just a 2 door variant, I would definitely be down. Especially considering the reduced price. I found and AMC CJ for around 6500 in that area in way better shape. would that be enough AMC’Y?
Nah, I don’t look as Jeeps as AMC perse. They’re Jeeps!