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Fiat Couldn’t Even Sell A Single Car Per Day Last Quarter

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Damn. DAMN. The Detroit 2.5 reported full-year and Q4 sales this morning, and it’s a race to the bottom for some Stellantis brands, with a little bit of hopefulness for others. I’ll use The Morning Dump today to review how each automaker stacks up, because that’s fun for me.

Obviously, I’m going to start with Stellantis because I got the utterly insane stat that Fiat is now below the car-per-day number, and way below the car-per-dealership amount. While Fiat and Alfa are struggling, it’s not all cumulonimbus clouds. At least some brands are seeing some… Cirrus.

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GM technically underperformed relative to Stellantis in Q4 in terms of sales velocity, but not in a way that really matters. General Motors had a good year in spite of it all. As did Ford.

CES is going on, and I suspect you’ll hear a little more about it. One of the interesting announcements is that Mercedes is going to be the next carmaker to rival Tesla’s FSD in the United States.

Fiat Sold Just 84 Cars In 91 Days

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There are two cars that Fiat sells in the United States. One is the new Fiat 500, an electric car that’s absolutely decent if you’re one of the extraordinarily low number of people who want to pay a lot of money for a low-range city car. It’s likely that there are more people who wrote fan fiction based on the short-lived Jonathan Silverman-led sitcom The Single Guy in the fourth quarter than bought a Fiat 500.

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The other car is the Fiat 500X, which isn’t a new car so much as an old car that Fiat dealers still can’t sell. Overall, Fiat sold one car for every four Fiat dealers. You can look at the full sales release here, from FCA US LLC, which is technically the name of the American-based subsidiary of Stellantis. Fiat is in bad shape, but that’s nothing new. Alfa, too.

The Ram brand was down 4%, although a lot of that has to do with slipping sales for both the ProMaster and Ram HD (both of which are made in Mexico). The Ram 1500 was up 23% year-over-year for the quarter, thanks in part to the return of the V8.

Jeep? It was up 5%, thanks to a huge push for Gladiator. The Wrangler, too, was up 3% to 39,268 sales. This does mean that the Wrangler outsold the Bronco overall, although it was tight. Chrysler and Dodge were somewhat surprisingly the biggest movers, at 29% and 26% growth, respectively. For Chrysler, this is all about minivans, because, well, that’s all there is. The 29% increase in minivan sales is just enough to make up for losses earlier in the year, so the brand is overall up 1% year-over-year. My guess is that a lot of people got good deals on a van last quarter.

Dodge’s sales were, of course, from huge EV Charger sales. Just kidding! Only 346 people bought the EV Charger. Was it in the Hornet? No, of course not. It’s the Durango! A huge 114% increase in Durango sales was not enough to make up for the lack of Dodge products, so the brand was still down 28% for the year, and Stellantis as a whole dropped 3%.

Stellantis is one of those companies you have to give time to, as there are still strong brands there, and it’s not impossible for them to create good products. The company is still living in the aftermath of Carlos Tavares and will be for some time.

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GM Sales Technically Down, But No One Cares Because Pickup Trucks

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No one wants to lose sales, but profitability is more important than growth, and my guess is that GM was way more profitable in North America than Stellantis was last year. I’m sure Q4 financials for Jeep’s parent company are going to look a lot worse than the ones for Buick’s parent.

Here’s the full breakdown of Q4 GM sales and, yeah, every brand struggled a bit. For Buick, which was still up for the full year, a lot of it has to do with the Buick Envision, which is built in China. The brand still had its best sales since before the pandemic. Cadillac was down, too, as it’s feeling the loss of the XT4 and a general disinterest in its gas-powered crossover game. The CT4 and CT5 saw a rise, as maybe sedans aren’t entirely dead.

Chevy had a big year overall, hitting more than 1.829 million sales, but a big drop in EV sales and a lack of a sedan seems to have taken a toll. The Trax, which had its best year ever, also saw big drop in Q4, and I’ve asked GM why that is. My guess is that GM slowed the imports of the Trax from South Korea until the tariff issues were clarified, and it seems like more are on the way.

Trucks lead the way, with GM having the best-selling full-sized truck if you combine GMC and Chevy, which Ford will not agree with, but that’s what’s happening. GM was also the second biggest EV producer in the US in 2025.

Ford Finishes The Year Strong

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Source: Ford

A part of me wanted to see the Bronco defeat the Wrangler this year if only for the headline and topshot combo. It didn’t happen, but I don’t think Ford is sweating the 146,007 Broncos the brand sold this year. That’s even more than the smaller, cheaper Bronco Sport, which ended up in 134,493 driveways.

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There’s a way to look at it that the Bronco is the new Ford Taurus, which is insane but basically true. Are cars dead? No! Ford managed to sell 45,333 Mustangs this year, which is up 3% year-over-year. It’s not bad to be the only game in town, I suppose.

As with GM, the most important measure for Ford is the F-Series, and all F-XXXs were down slightly in Q4 (mostly due to F-150 Lightning sales), but overall the F-Series grew by 8.3% this year, leading Ford to a 6.2% rise overall.

Most importantly, though, it was the best year for the Maverick.

Lincoln was more even this year, only rising 2%, which isn’t great, and also reflects the difficulty of selling a Chinese-built car in the United States.

Mercedes Thinks It’ll Compete With Tesla On ‘Self-Driving’

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As explained in this video from Mercedes, the new CLA has what the company is calling Level 2++, which is a totally made-up, not real thing. Tesla calls this “Full Self-Driving,” but no lawyer at Daimler would ever approve it, so Mercedes calls this “MB.Drive Assist Pro.” Who lets Mercedes name things? The company is just terrible at it.

What’s important, though, is that this tech has been offering the same supervised point-to-point driving ability in China that Tesla offers in the United States. Now, it’s coming to the US, as Mercedes announced yesterday:

With Mercedes-Benz’s MB.DRIVE ASSIST PRO, driving assistance and navigation merge to create a completely new and safe driving experience. At the press of a button, the vehicle can help navigate through the city streets – from the parking lot to the destination – with advanced SAE-Level 2 assistance. Thanks to Mercedes-Benz’s cooperative steering approach, steering adaptions are possible at any time without deactivating the system.

MB.DRIVE ASSIST PRO uses some 30 sensors, including 10 cameras, 5 radar sensors and 12 ultrasonic sensors. All of these provide raw data to an extremely powerful supercomputer, which is capable of up to 508 TOPs.

The system should cost around $3,950 for three years, although a monthly membership price is coming. By comparison, it’s $8,000 or $99 a month for the Tesla system.

While other ADAS systems exist in the United States, they’re somewhat limited in which roads they can be used on (although GM’s SuperCruise will add streets soon). Mercedes is basically saying you can use it everywhere and that, like the Tesla, it doesn’t need LIDAR. The Mercedes CLA just got a lot more interesting.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

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I had a lot of writing to do today, so what better way to get bumped than with the MSTRKRFT remix of “Heartbeat” by Annie. Let’s dance.

The Big Question

You have to build a garage with a new product from each of the Big 2.5. What’s your garage look like?

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V10omous
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V10omous
2 days ago

Wrangler 392, Raptor R, Z06

V10omous
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V10omous
2 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Actually strike that, TRX, Navigator Black Label, Z06

Jatkat
Jatkat
2 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

Good choices! I’d do the 392, or the most base model possible Wrangler with 4wd..

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
2 days ago

Hmm, interesting question….I’ll have to divide into 2 streams.

Practical:

GM- Cadillac CT5 Blackwing manual. Because sedan.

Ford – Mach E.

Stellantis – Jeep Wrangler 4 door

GM: C8. The base model should be more than enough to get me in all kinds of trouble.

Ford – Mustang GT manual convertible.

Stellantis – hell, I don’t know. Probably a Ram 1500.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
2 days ago

Let’s see … a Ford Maverick Hybrid AWD and, um …hmm… nope, I’m stumped.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
2 days ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

That’s the siren song of Camry calling to you.

David Greenwood
David Greenwood
2 days ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I get it, but I can personally add a Chevy Equinox AWD EV and ,,,, A Pacifica AWD? ps: Maverick AWD PHEV (a man can dream).

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
2 days ago

When will ze Germans figure out that we don’t want subscriptions?!? Can’t believe I’m defending Tesla here but they at least have the option to pay a chunk of money up front and not be forced into a subscription. It’s almost enough to wish we had BYD and their God’s Eye system here to force this tech down in price.

Fantasy garage time
GM: Caddy Lyriq V
Ford: Mach E, the off-roady one
Stellantis: Jeep Wrangler 392

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
2 days ago

TBQ:

Ram Power Wagon diesel.
F250 Tremor with the high output 6.7 powerstroke.
Whatever GMC 3/4 ton pickup comes with a diesel engine.

All will have at least a 6 inch lift.

Huh. I’m starting to think I might be a redneck.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
2 days ago

My Detroit choices:

  • Ford: Mach-E
  • GM: “2027” Bolt
  • FCA: a gray market, 4WD Ducato possibly imported through Canada, though I’m not sure that would be 100% legal
  • AMC: 1983 Spirit GT
  • Studebaker/Avanti: 1985 Avanti
Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
2 days ago

What’s your garage look like?

Smoldering ash. I picked the Jeep Wrangler 4xe from Stellantis, and it burnt down the garage.

Last edited 2 days ago by Taargus Taargus
Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 days ago

TRX, Durango Hellcat, 4 door Charger.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
2 days ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

You sir have Mopar on the brain.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
2 days ago

While I’m not quite Mopar or No Car, I do love me some Mopar.

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
2 days ago

 “The Bronco is the new Ford Taurus” So, this means it will be the best selling SUV and in 7 years be out of production?

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago

15 years — first they have to slap a fish face on it, then they inflate it and put it on the Volvo XC60 platform and hope nobody notices. Then it can die.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Ooo, a Bronco with ovals slathered all over it. That’s an image.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
2 days ago

Bronco: Oops! All Ovals Heritage Edition

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2 days ago

GM: CT5 Blackwing
Ford: F150 regular cab short bed 4×4 with FP700 package
Stellantis: woof, I dunno maybe a Pacifica as a people mover, or maybe a Wrangler.

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Timbales
Timbales
2 days ago

TBQ: What’s the penalty if I don’t? It may be more appealing.

TK-421
TK-421
2 days ago

I didn’t know Fiat still sold cars in the US. All my local dealership franchises went away while I still enjoyed my 500 Abarth, maybe 2018-9?

My GF is still rocking her ’16 500X with 160k miles. It has some minor issues but it still gets her to work and back 30min each way. She loves that thing.

Mr. Fusion
Mr. Fusion
2 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

In defense of the 500e and 500X figures: Selling cars requires something called “Trying”, which is not a tactic that Stellantis has ever used for any vehicle other than the Jeep Wrangler & RAM Hemi. To that end, I don’t think sales numbers should be reported for any vehicle unless the manufacturer is actually trying to sell it.

Scott Ross
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Scott Ross
2 days ago

detroit 2.5? is that a new publication?

James McHenry
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James McHenry
2 days ago

Tbq:
Ford: Maverick Lobo
GM: The smallest, cheapest thing they make.
What’s left of Chrysler: Charger I6t, whatever they’re calling it

What I actually want:
Ford: Fiesta ST
GM: S-10 RWD 4.3
Chrysler: A slant 6 ’63 Dart.

Last edited 2 days ago by James McHenry
Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
2 days ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Oooh, I like that spin on it.

Ford Focus ST Wagon
Chevy S10 eXtreme 5MT
Chrysler… ?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
2 days ago

Stellantis is one of those companies you have to give time to, as there are still strong brands there, and it’s not impossible for them to create good products.

That is some unbridled and undeserved optimism.

Stellantis (FCA, and Chrysler before it) have virtually always been able to release sub-par product and pretend that it’s top cheese. That it “could have had a v8” will be their excuse for the near-term.

They’ve spent ages creating a toxic us-vs-them mentality that hasn’t allowed them to even promote their own product in America.

Matt Sexton
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Matt Sexton
2 days ago

“Chrysler and Dodge were somewhat surprisingly the biggest movers, at 29% and 26% growth, respectively.”

If I sold 10 cars last quarter, and I sold 15 this quarter, my sales are up 50%. My sales still suck, but that’s the math. That’s what’s happening here, in a nutshell.

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago
Reply to  Matt Sexton

It’s the other side of the coin about when we talk about profit: “Profit dropped 80%!” is the headline, but it fails to acknowledge that profit can drop below zero. Almost infinitely. Keeping it in the black is still an accomplishment, even with a huge drop. Live to fight another day…

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
2 days ago

More interesting from Stellantis to me is the fact that the 4XE’s have been quietly removed from Jeep’s website.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 days ago

It’s about damn time they put that poor thing out of its misery.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
2 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Agreed. Now they need to buy every one of them back and reimburse everyone who took a bath getting rid of them.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 days ago

And then pull a GM and go EV1 style and destroy every single one. Preferably with fire.

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2 days ago
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Nah they figure they will just distroy themselves.

5VZ-F'Ever and Ever, Amen
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5VZ-F'Ever and Ever, Amen
2 days ago

And with that, the world became a safer place

Pupmeow
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Pupmeow
2 days ago

I was so excited when those first came out. When will I learn lol.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
2 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

Me too. Leasing one was a terrible decision, but at least its gone now.

10001010
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10001010
2 days ago

While Fiat and Alfa are struggling, it’s not all cumulonimbus clouds. At least some brands are seeing some… Cirrus.

Bravo! Early contender to win Sentence of the Year again for 2026!

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago
Reply to  10001010

I’m such a nerd, I was trying to figure out why they threw an aviation reference into an auto quip…

VS 57
VS 57
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

And an aircraft that seems to not bring it’s occupants to ground safely too much of the time.

EXL500
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EXL500
1 day ago
Reply to  Ash78

Cirrus clouds portend a change in the weather, plus Chrysler Cirrus. Clever.

Drew
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Drew
2 days ago

Cadillac Lyriq V, Ford Maverick, and maybe a Pacifica? Or a Wrangler? I’d be okay with a two car garage, but if I’m filling that third slot, I’ll have to figure something out.

Alternative all-EV lineup: Silverado EV, Ford Mach E GT, Challenger EV probably gathering dust.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
2 days ago

The Trax, which had its best year ever, also saw big drop in Q4, and I’ve asked GM why that is. My guess is that GM slowed the imports of the Trax from South Korea until the tariff issues were clarified, and it seems like more are on the way.

Possibly a supply issue. An Autotrade zip code search showed 108 new Trax in the area, but only five MY 2025.

Last edited 2 days ago by Huja Shaw
GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
2 days ago

I didn’t realize that Gil Gunderson had bought all the Fiat franchises in the US.

Huja Shaw
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Huja Shaw
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Had a bad experience dealing with Gil Gunderson. Had to hire Lionel Hutz to get my money back.

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Free consultation? No, money down.

Mechjaz
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Mechjaz
2 days ago
Reply to  Huja Shaw

Thankfully, there’s precedent in Finders v. Keepers.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

aww jeez ya dont have to call me out like that

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
2 days ago

See this question is trickier because if you want an EV in your garage GM is far and away your best bet…so as much as I’d love to say ZR1 or Blackwing I think I’d want to dip into that well for my daily. So I’ll go with a Cadillac Lyric V (daily), a manual Dark Horse with all the fixings (weekend/track), and uh…I’m tempted to go Wrangler just because but I’d probably just get a RAM 1500 as my bad weather/utility vehicle.

Pupmeow
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Pupmeow
2 days ago

My friend has a Lyriq with the juniper interior and it is SO NICE looking. It’s great when car companies actually try to make something interesting instead of throwing the same greys and iPad dashes at us.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
2 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

The Cadillac EVs are conventionally pretty, they come in actual colors inside and out, they offer competitive range/NACS ports as of 2026, and they have interiors that function normally with button, knobs, switches, etc. They’re fantastic cars that don’t get enough recognition. If you want a BEV or even just an old school luxury car experience that happens to be electric they’re a great option that people are still sleeping on:

CivoLee
CivoLee
2 days ago

Too bad the only non-crossover EV from Cadillac is an overpriced (seriously, GM? This isn’t the 30s anymore, nothing Cadillac makes commands that kind of pricetag) land barge (and not in a cool way) you can’t even test drive and despite being a liftback has a small trunk…

4jim
4jim
2 days ago

“You have to build a garage with a new product from each of the Big 2.5. What’s your garage look like?”

Bronco (some version with the Sasquatch package since they discontinued the Everglades model)
Jeep Rubicon X (or a new Pacifica to replace my wife’s 2020.)
Suburban

Last edited 2 days ago by 4jim
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
2 days ago

Stellantis is one of those companies you have to give time to, as there are still strong brands there, and it’s not impossible for them to create good products.

I’m curious how much more time we should be expected to give a company who has not released a truly competitive new product since the Pacifica in 2017.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 days ago

Someone told John Elkann that releasing new products was out of style, and he just ran with it

Commercial Cook
Commercial Cook
2 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

it was Lapo. Lapo kept all the style to himself though

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
2 days ago

I think the current RAM 1500 is a competitive product, especially now that they gave the peanut gallery back the loud V8 noises they demanded. But other than that? I’m drawing a blank. I guess we’ll see if the updated Grand Cherokee is any good but I’m not exactly sold on the “upgrade” being a turbo 4 cylinder that borrows technology from *checks notes* Maserati….

Younork
Younork
2 days ago

Fair enough, but even the RAM is still on the 2019 generation.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
2 days ago
Reply to  Younork

I realized this soon after pressing “post comment”

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago

In the town where I grew up, it was not that unusual to see Italian businesses that seemed to have zero sales, yet they stayed open for many years. Just sayin’, Fiat.

/i’ve been told that my social allowance for cultural insensitivity is limited to the confines of Europe so I’m gonna go with it wherever I can

AssMatt
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AssMatt
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Are you talkin’ about that place from where we know that guy? We know him from that thing.

Ash78
Ash78
2 days ago
Reply to  AssMatt

Essacto! The guy from the thing, with those other four beefy guys who hang around from time to time. He calls them the Big Four Accountants.

Commercial Cook
Commercial Cook
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

that’s is the business many of us want 😉

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Warehouse building that sells coffee, two chairs at a lone table?

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 days ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Construction company that has 100 people on payroll but nobody’s ever met or heard from 20 of them and have no idea what they’re supposed to do

Freddy Bartholomew
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Freddy Bartholomew
2 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

One time in Providence RI we were parked on the street. In a store, I asked the nice older gentleman behind the counter whether they were strict about the parking laws. He just waved at his Mercedes parked outside, in front of a fire hydrant, and said, “I’ve never had a problem.”

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