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Four Decades Ago, A Hang Glider Pilot Tried To Turn Pickup Trucks Into Family Cars Using Giant Hammocks

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The pickup trucks of today are often used as family cars thanks to their sizable crew cabs and excellent comfort. But this wasn’t always the case, as the trucks of yesteryear normally had regular cabs with bench seats at best. In the 1980s, a hang glider pilot had been annoyed by the fact that trucks couldn’t carry families, so they invented a back seat for trucks. The twist? The device, called The 2nd Seat, was little more than hang glider parts turned into a truck bed hammock.

The subject of riding in the bed of a pickup truck has been explored by researchers, safety advocates, and regulators for decades. If you grew up in the country, riding in the bed of a pickup might have been a rite of passage. I won’t deny that I’ve had great fun in the beds of various pickup trucks throughout my life. However, it’s been known for a very long time that this is an unsafe practice because pickup beds offer no protection at all for people riding in them.

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According to the National Transportation Safety Board, an average of 242 people died each year from the middle of the 1970s to the end of the decade from incidents involving rides in truck beds. That average did not change much into the 2000s, and serious injuries and fatalities from riding in truck beds remain a concern today.

Yet, as the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety notes, most states allow adults to ride in the bed of a pickup truck, and all states allow at least someone to ride in a truck bed in specific situations.

There have been efforts to curb the practice for decades. As the articleDeveloping a Model Law Restricting the Transporting of Passengers in the Cargo Areas of Pickup Trucks’, which was published in the Journal of Public Health Policy in 2000, notes, states began enacting truck bed riding restrictions in the 1980s. These regulations were considered to be companions to expanding seatbelt use regulations.

However, riding in pickup truck beds wasn’t going anywhere. So a hang glider pilot at least tried to make it safer and more legal by turning hang glider parts into a giant second truck seat.

The 2nd Seat

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Fryford Corporation

As the Los Angeles Times reported in October 1985, the state of California passed a mandatory seatbelt use law in 1985. The law, which went into effect in 1986, required that all occupants of a vehicle be secured in a real seat. This meant that the folks rolling around with people in their beds suddenly had to deal with such a practice being illegal.

As it turned out, two California men, Steven Fry and Rod Stafford, had already invented a solution. In 1984, Steven, who was a 32-year-old former photographer at the time, came up with an idea. From the Los Angeles Times:

But it was comfort, not safety, that sparked the development of the 2nd Seat. Stafford and Fry were testing hang gliders “four or five days a week” in the San Bernardino foothills for a Santa Ana company, “and that meant a lot of riding in the back of pickup trucks,” Stafford said.

Using hang-glider part rejects, he developed a hammock-style seat and headrest supported by metal tubing. The supporting tubes, quilted nylon seats and seat belts can be quickly removed and stowed, leaving only the brackets for the belts and the seat. Friends liked the seats, so Stafford made a few more.

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Fryford Corporation

Reportedly, Steven was tired of getting absolutely beaten up by riding in a truck bed on bumpy mountain roads. By turning broken glider parts into a giant truck bed hammock, he’d be comfortable on the ride to a glider launching spot.

Steven said he founded the company with only $16,000, and by the time the first LA Times article was published in 1985, he had already sold around 3,000 of the devices. However, thanks to the seatbelt law, he expected sales to skyrocket. The 2nd Seat, as the product was called, was never designed as a solution to the seatbelt law, but it was sort of a loophole, as people could continue to ride in truck beds legally so long as the truck had a 2nd Seat.

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According to the company, each 2nd Seat’s steel bars were telescoping, so the seat was a universal fit. 2nd Seats for compact trucks were $209, while 2nd Seats for full-size trucks were $229. They were manufactured in Taiwan because, as Steven claimed to the press, making them in America would have cost as much as the company charged for the devices. Steven apparently envisioned people turning their pickup trucks into family cars, as the hammock was good for two teens or adults. Add in a bench seat in the truck, and that’s potentially five people who could be belted into a pickup truck.

In 1986, the LA Times wrote another article about the 2nd Seat, and in that update, Steven said he sold about $350,000 worth of the seats, and he expected sales to increase tenfold thanks to the seatbelt law and the seat’s availability in the JCPenney catalogue in the United States and Canada. To facilitate this growth, Steven mortgaged his home and pumped $250,000 into the company.

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JCPenney via christmas.musetechnical.com

There was also a marketing blitz, with the 2nd Seat appearing in car publications, farming trade journals, and more. Reportedly, Car and Driver said: “[T]his portable rumble seat really caught our fancy.” Sadly, I could not find an archived version of the review. What I did find is a set of interpretations by NHTSA that suggested that the 2nd Seat complied with the fire resistance, structural, and safety restraint standards of the era.

What’s unclear is what happened to the 2nd Seat, the Fryford Corporation, and the men who created the device. From the business records I have been able to search, it’s pretty clear that the venture is not around anymore. However, I couldn’t ascertain when the business ceased or why.

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Screenshot: Reddit

It also appears that there aren’t too many of the 2nd Seats surviving into the modern day. I only discovered the product when I found one randomly for sale on Facebook. I found another, only briefly mentioned in a post on Reddit. But aside from that, there’s a whole lot of nothing out there about the 2nd Seat.

But I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. If you want to mount a seat or two into your truck bed, there are lots of aftermarket companies that do this today. Pretty much none of those seats are hammocks, either. The Subaru enthusiasts among you are probably also yelling about the BRAT. Good memory! Though that little truck had rear seats just so it could slide by the Chicken Tax.

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If, for whatever reason, you’re interested in owning a 2nd Seat, there’s one for sale in Wisconsin right now for $40. Apparently, it’s still in new condition after sitting for 40 years.

Everything about the 2nd Seat was wild to me when I discovered it. This is a product that was initially meant to just make truck bed rides easier, but suddenly became the solution for however many people wanted to turn their trucks into family cars without running afoul of the law. Nowadays, you don’t need shenanigans like this because pickup trucks have more or less replaced the family cars of old. But if you ever thought you wanted a hammock with a seatbelt, apparently, that was a thing!

Top graphic images: Fryford Corporation; JCPenney; DepositPhotos.com

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PlatinumZJ
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PlatinumZJ
1 month ago

That’s certainly an interesting stain on The 2nd Seat™ User’s Encyclopedia.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

Sorry for your loss, Geekycop. Ejection risk aside, the worst thing for my brother and me riding in the back was all the leftover debris from hauling straw, hay or stuff to the dump was the swirling wind currents blowing stuff in our eyes.

Clueless_jalop
Clueless_jalop
1 month ago

I can’t help but notice that none of the pictures actually show someone sitting in the seat…

Geekycop .
Geekycop .
1 month ago

I had a friend in middle school that died because she was riding in the bed of a truck in Hawaii when a drunk driver hit the head on and she was ejected. Tracey was killed instantly, and as a result I do everything I can to keep people out of truck beds whenever I can. Sadly she was neither the first, nor the last friend of mine killed in crashes, but her death had the most effect on me. A seatbelted hammock would probably have been enough to keep her in the relative safety of the truck and probably still around with the rest of us geriatric millenials.

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago

When I see back seat and hammock I usually think Fiat Panda, but this looks like creative answer for a mild climate

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Clearly like EVs anyone who wanted.one already bought one. The Subaru Brat had a far better solution. Of course this is because all of the helicopter safety issues. I was in the back of a flat bed truck for a fraternity event. Yes we had a keg and 20 or so brothers riding around campus. One brother a certain Raymong J Galvin had a huge mug full of beer with a sticker saying I bet you can’t on it. Ray wasn’t paying attention he was standing erect as we went under a dorm walkway. Yes smacked in the back of the head, did a flip off the back landed on his ass and didn’t spill a drop of beer. He also didn’t miss a step and continued on the party and to the softball game with the teenage trouble makers of the boys ranch we were fundraising for. Good times

LMCorvairFan
LMCorvairFan
1 month ago

Rode in the back of pickups way too often in my idiot youth days. This idea might keep you from rolling around too much but.. Nopes.

Dr.Xyster
Dr.Xyster
1 month ago

Well, maybe Hang glider guys aren’t the best at designing cars and car seats, but the opposite is not true. See one Peter Brock.

Last edited 1 month ago by Dr.Xyster
1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Dr.Xyster

Maybe people who jump off cliffs with nothing but some tent poles and fabric aren’t the safety people you need.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
1 month ago

Oh, sure, this is WAY safer than just rolling around in the bed. I’d certainly put my little kids in one of these back there.
What could go wrong?

Manwich Sandwich
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Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

The 2nd Seat beats the heck out of the piece o’ crap old recliner I used to shove into the bed of my old Ford pickup when we wanted more seats. Used to spend a fair amount of time in the bed, especially at the drive-in. That occasionally necessitated a whole ‘nother kind of protection, though if being I’m honest, not all that often.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
1 month ago

The hang glider manufacturer is Wills Wing, a *massively* important company in hang glider development, I believe the first true manufacturer. More or less was responsible for making it a broadly (in relative terms) accessible sport.

For a site tie in… if I’m remembering correctly one of the Wills brothers died in a glider crash while filming a commercial for Jeep.

H4llelujah
H4llelujah
1 month ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Holy crap, that’s wild!

H4llelujah
H4llelujah
1 month ago

Considering $229 back then was on the north end of $800 bucks in today’s money, It’s probably not a big stretch to think that most people probably just bought a pappy cap and chucked the kids in the back, which was the style at the time.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago
Reply to  H4llelujah

I’ve been thinking that one aspect of inflation we don’t often consider is that people generally got by with less stuff. So while your estimate is correct, if you’re not dealing with smartphones or insane student debt or housing, it would be far more “socially acceptable” to spend $800 on something like this if you really wanted it. It might be your one splurge of the year.

If anything, I’d be shocked at anyone spending $800 on this today, it would seem crazy. And that may be a part of why cottage-industry innovation is stifled, or at the very least has to outsource itself into oblivion and copycats.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

Actually this, my dad bought us an Atari 520ST personal computer in 1986 or so. Looking at the actual list price with inflation… this was an absolutely extravagant purchase. I still cannot believe he did this.

Last edited 1 month ago by Tbird
TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
1 month ago
Reply to  Tbird

We had an Atari 800 in ’81 and later an Atari 130XE and looking at the old pricing, it was an absurdly expensive hobby back then. As bad as ram/GPUs are now with AI, it was so much more expensive then.

I got my sudden, expensive, random electronic purchase bug from my Dad. Perhaps it’s a feature.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 month ago
Reply to  Tbird

Sure they were expensive, but my brothers all got into jobs through computer experience, so I see our 1982 Atari 800 as a decent investment by my parents.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  SlowCarFast

Dad saw it much the same way… for himself AND my brother and I.

SlowCarFast
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SlowCarFast
1 month ago
Reply to  Tbird

Overcoming the fear of computers on the job was a big deal in the 80’s. Some would say it continued through today.

H4llelujah
H4llelujah
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

You nailed it. Some things were crazy expensive looking back, but at least in the 90’s, we didn’t have internet, Amazon, subscriptions other than magazines, hell I don’t even think we had “long distance” of our phone.

I imagine the dollar stretched pretty good in those days.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago
Reply to  H4llelujah

I mean, when I do the math for my own life in the 80s and 90s, the basic NES console was over $300 and games were $150+ in modern dollars. But on the flipside, nobody had to pay $20-$30/month for Xbox or PS online services for eternity, either.

Our first family PC was 1993, $2300 — and to hit that price point, we had to forego the modem and sound card (which I regret, since the ones I installed never worked right…)

I know that’s mostly Moore’s Law at work with electronics, but the fact that society widely accepted these prices sort of speaks to our willingness to prioritize or at least just delay gratification a bit. As a parent of teens now, shopping for Christmas can be a pain because I realize we (collectively as a generation of parents) haven’t really trained our kids to just shut up and wait 🙂

I don’t think my parents ever bought me anything between September and December for that exact reason.

H4llelujah
H4llelujah
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

This made me go down a rabbit hole, in 1993 my parents bought me a Suzuki LT80 4 wheeler, brand new.

It was $2,999 brand new. In today’s money that’s 6,700 dollars.

I had no idea how much expendable income my dad had back then lmao

Roscoe Browne
Roscoe Browne
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

Really? Have you not noticed how many ‘roof tents’ are on car roofs? And those things cost thousands

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  H4llelujah

Guilty of haven ridden in such a situation MANY a time in my ’80s childhood. Not enough station wagons for everyone? Pile into the bed of a capped pickup. It actually felt unsafe yet strangely exhilarating.

H4llelujah
H4llelujah
1 month ago
Reply to  Tbird

I think my unhealthy fondness for a cap is tied to all the memories in them, some PG13, some wholesome, some just hilarious.

Like this one time, my Grandpap and Dad took My brother, my cousin, and I to an outdoor flea market about an hour away……in a 1994 2 door shortbed ranger. My pap decides to buy a damned nanny goat. So we had an hour drive home with my dad (who was HORRIBLE at running a stick) jerking us and this goat back and forth in the bed, the goat refused to sit down, so it’s just sliding all over the place on the hard plastic bedliner, falling down, getting back up, little goat-crap BBs rolling around, it was utter insanity lmao!

If pap had a crew cab F150, my childhood would have been a lot more boring!

Slow Joe Crow
Slow Joe Crow
1 month ago
Reply to  H4llelujah

Someone in my Cub Scout pack in 1974 or so had a pickup with a cap and inward facing school bus seats. This was very unusual since this was the NYC suburbs and most large families had station wagons

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

You can still buy truck bed seats with seat belts for around $400 last time I looked. Just like the golf cart rear seats. I assume it’s just like golf cart where it’s fine on slow side streets in a lot of areas and the cops might check if there are seat belts the first time they see it. Still that looks like it folds up rather nicely but probably not too comfortable.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago

Seems about as legit as bungee jumping testers creating a sled for towing your baby behind the truck once it starts crying about all the cigarette smoke. That should shut her up!

For a stationary/lounging arrangement, this looks like it could have legs. Maybe even a double-wide hammock that mounts into the corners and keeps you slightly elevated. That would take up a lot less space than the elevated platforms a lot of truck campers fabricate.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

My parents cared just enough in the 70-80s to have a topper/cap on the truck beds we rode it, you know, for winter.

Tbird
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Tbird
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Oh yes, open beds were for summer only.

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