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GM Had Some Of The Best Rear Windows Of The 1970s

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I feel on this site we’ve talked a lot about GM, with both glowing, jubilant praise and with puzzled resignation over their weird, often bad, decisions. I’ve been accused of both being unfair to GM and sucking up to them, so I must be doing something right, or, maybe more likely, wrong. Who knows. What I do know is that sometimes GM does something genuinely interesting and unexpected, and when that happens, I want to call it out. And there is something that GM did back in the 1970s that I think deserves some special mention: they made the most interesting rear windows of the entire decade.

Yep, you heard me. I know that’s an extremely bold and wildly specific claim, but I think you’ll agree. If we look at the grand, transparent panoply of rear windows in the 1970s, you’re not going to find anything that comes as close to some rear windows GM was producing for a few coupés in that era. And it’s all thanks to one particular piece of equipment, some designer must have seen at a trade show or something and arranged to have bought and placed in a factory: a Hot Bent Wire machine.

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Specifically, the Pittsburgh Plate Glass (PPG) Hot Bent Wire glass forming and folding process, which could fold automotive glass into some dramatic shapes. While maybe not origami-level, exactly, the process produced something quite different than the sort of curved glass that car design had been using for decades, and the look, with its crisp edges and folds, felt genuinely new and novel.

GM really only used this process on two cars, both late ’70s coupés: the Chevy Caprice (or Impala) coupé and the Oldsmobile Toronado XS:

Old Chevy Windows
Image: Wikimedia Commons, Barn Finds

Of the two, the Chevy was by far the more common one. This was the coupé version of the 1977-1979 B-body Caprice, which was much more commonly seen in four-door sedan and wagon body styles. I grew up absolutely surrounded by these cars, and I generally found them pretty boring, if I’m honest. They were so rectilinear and staid, I just couldn’t get excited about them. But somehow, the coupé was different, and it was all because of that rear window.

Caprice Coupe
Image: GM

There was something about that rear window, with its sloping profile and prominent creases, that made the whole car much more interesting, somehow. That rear window just didn’t look like anything else on the road, and as a kid I remember seeing them and wondering how they were made. Were they composed of three pieces, somehow adhesive’d together? Melted? They absolutely caught my attention.

Caprice Coupe 2
Image: GM

The slope of that window gave the profile of the caprice a lot more sleekness, and the prominent creases of the folded sides made the window fit in with the design vocabulary of the whole car. If you are skeptical of my claim that this window was the defining stylistic element of the car, just look at what happened when GM replaced it with a boring old flat window with the redesigned B-body of 1980:

Caprice Coupes Comp

Tell me the car doesn’t lose something when they went to the flat window. That fastback glass adds so much to the car – sleekness, airiness, a visual element to focus on – and without it, that car is just difficult to really care about. Also, looking at these now I’m remembering how much GM loved those wire wheels. Oy.

Toronado Xsr
Image: GM

The PPG hot wire machine also got some use from Oldsmobile, who used it to bend the rear glass of their Toronado XS into a dramatic wraparound rear window. This idea first came around with an experimental concept, the Oldsmobile Toronado XSR, which also featured power-retractable T-tops. This car was modified by American Sunroof Company (ASC), and only a few were actually built, in numbers that range from three to 12, depending on your source.

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Image: GM

While the XSR with its powered T-tops never made it to market (those powered, retractable panels would have been complex, leaky nightmares, most likely), a version with a normal, solid hardtop (or a conventional sunroof)  did make it to market, the Toronado XS. Of course, they only made about 2,100 of those.

Toronadoxs
Image: BaT

That’s a hell of a rear window, right? Oh, and it’s also worth noting the high-mount brake and turn signal lamps that were set into the bodywork just under the rear window, almost a decade before high-mount stop lights were legally required! That’s some taillight innovation there, too!

Toronado Ebay
Image: eBay

That panoramic rear window gave the interior a very open feeling, no small feat in a car whose interior color and upholstery choices made it feel like someone crammed a bordello into an office cubicle:

Toronadoxs Int
Image: GM

Here’s a nice video walkaround/through of an XS so you can get a better idea.

Aerocoupe Close
Image: GM

GM returned to the PPG bent glass party trick in 1986 with the Chevy Monte Carlo SS Aero Coupe, where the addition of a bent-glass fastback rear window let them quickly and cheaply improve the car’s drag coefficient from 0.375 to 0.365, which is pretty good for just replacing a window. Well, a window and rear trunk lid, but that’s still getting off really cheap. I can’t think of any modern cars that are using this method of folding glass; smooth, graceful curves are more the norm now, but I think there’s still a place for these kinds of crispily-creased windows in cars. Maybe GM will be bold once again and give it another go.

Top graphic image: Wikimedia Commons

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J Hyman
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J Hyman
1 month ago

I had one of those Caprice coupes with the geeenhouse for many years. Folks loved that window. The 305 and 200 were suboptimal, though. The beancounters giveth and the beancounters taketh away.

Last edited 1 month ago by J Hyman
Industrial_design_guy
Industrial_design_guy
1 month ago

I, too, used to notice the glass on those Caprice coupes as a kid in the 80’s. There weren’t as many up here in Canada by that point, so they stood out even more. Always thought the car was cool for that reason. Flat is totally boring.

Redapple
Redapple
1 month ago

1982 Camaro too

Carlos Ferreira
Carlos Ferreira
1 month ago
Reply to  Redapple

The F=Body rear hatch had more conventional radiused edges though, not laser crisp like these.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago

I’d like someone to caption the scene in the picture where the lady in business attire is chatting with a mechanic while he services a P-38 (retired in 1949) with an Oldsmobile parked in front of it.

John Metcalf
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John Metcalf
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

“Harvey, I want her ready to fly at 5:00. Make it happen.”

“Yes ma’am. She’ll be ready.”

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  John Metcalf

“And let’s not forget to order the tug to get it around my Toronado XSR. I don’t need to remind you what a disaster last week was.”

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

“Would you please move that %#@#&! oversized gashog off the runway so we can get our flight going?!”

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris D

Beg your pardon?

First of all, the P-38 has cockpit seating for 1. You’re not coming.

Second, this full-sized Toronado XSR features the new lightweight Rocket 403 engine with MISAR computer-aided ignition timing is rated for 19 mpg on the highway and 13 in the city!*

*California EPA estimates will be lower.

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

Yep, gashog, blocking the plane. Even at a the gas prices when those were new, 13 MPG was awful. (No car every managed to get the highway MPG, which was calculated assuming 45 MPH on a flat straight road was how people would actually drive.)

Jim Washam
Jim Washam
1 month ago

I started my 45 year automotive career at a Oldsmobile dealership in 1976. I checked these in right off the truck. Remember them well.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

I just cringe to think about what replacement glass costs or if it’s even available.

AutoTea
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AutoTea
1 month ago

This was a genuine issue by the early 90s. I had a friend who drove around for a year with no back window because he couldn’t find a replacement he could afford.

JJ
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JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  AutoTea

Did he not have a Hot Bent Wire machine?

Tom Herman
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Tom Herman
1 month ago

Hated those windows. Still do. Nope. Nope.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Tom Herman

To me, they just look WRONG. And the optical distortion would just mess with my head.

Heck, the optical distortion in my ’01 Jetta’s windshield made me mental. It was the first and only car I’ve ever known that has done that to me. I think it was kind of non-linear, so it was like astigmatism, which is a condition I don’t have. So, it was like one of those moments where I went, “oh, that’s what that’s like.”

The Jetta’s windshield wasn’t THAT distorting. It was just the first time I noticed ANY distortion. And that windshield WAS probably bullet proof. On I-5 at abut 65 mph, a rock that was big enough I could see it coming, got kicked up and hit it. It sounded like a gun shot when it hit and it didn’t leave a chip, a crater, a crack or a spider web. That rock was about a golf ball and a half. Maybe two in size. And I saw it coming. It wasn’t a one-pound potato sized rock, but it was pretty big.

And there are all these little micro divots out of unseen crap that hits the windshield and leaves their little micro-divots that make visibility a little sketch when the sun is at the right/wrong angle.

I did pay Safe-Lite to fix a crack in my ’17 Accord’s windshield. And it’s not perfect, but it hasn’t cracked any further outside of its 1/2 inch diameter. And it’s been at least six years. My brother pointed out the area, when he rode with me four years ago and I explained what I’d been through about that.

That Accord doesn’t have a lot of stuff going on with sensors and all that mess, but a replacement windshield has become almost the equivalent of an engine overhaul with some of the technology today.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
1 month ago

Back in the mid to late 90’s there was a Toronado XS that I occasionally saw running around my town. It was the only one I every saw in person though I had seen pictures before.

Personally I prefer the Bent Window in the Plain Impala version and it is the only full size Chevy besides the 59 that I’d put in my lottery winner dream car warehouse.

Mad Island Guy
Mad Island Guy
1 month ago

Back around 1980 or so, my dad’s friend inherited a Toronado XS with that wacky rear window. He absolutely hated it because it was mind boggling slow, handled like it had 4 flat tires and got something like 8 miles to the gallon. It sure was cool to ride in the back though.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
1 month ago

Torch is the best. These look great slightly lowered on aftermarket B-body suspension parts with tucked bumpers , an 18” wheel and tire combo,and of course an LS SWAP (or big block) great lines and nicely sized coupe.

YeahNo
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YeahNo
1 month ago

GM cribbing from Frank Lloyd Wright – who was doing mitered corner windows without pillars way back…

Last edited 1 month ago by YeahNo
Jim Zavist
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Jim Zavist
1 month ago

I wonder if the ’86 Monte Carlo used the same glass as the ’77-’79 Caprice? It sure would’ve simplified the engineering for a limited homologation run.

Carlos Ferreira
Carlos Ferreira
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Zavist

The Monte’s rear glass had conventional radiused edges.

Y2Keith
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Y2Keith
1 month ago
Reply to  Jim Zavist

I looked at the two and wondered the same thing.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago

Glass from this process would have been too cool as a one-piece lift-up rear on the first gen Mazda RX-7.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago

Those are all convex rear windows. You forgot the wonderfully (albeit curved and not creased) concave rear window on the 5th-generation El Caminos.

https://www.opgi.com/product/image/OP/223505/window-glass-rear-1978-87-el-camino-L240413.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yv8AAOSwVbRh~WXH/s-l1600.webp

Last edited 1 month ago by Anonymous Person
Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

Those weren’t made with the bent wire process.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I know. I started my post before I fully read the article. Then I went back and added the (albeit, curved and not creased).

But they were still cool rear windows.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

Definitely. A friend had a Conquista edition he lent me while my car was in the shop and I actually really enjoyed driving it. It was a speeding-ticket proof car. Not because of the gun stickers on the rear window (I think they were dealer installed), but because I found myself constantly driving under the speed limit. It was comfortable with a laid back attitude and unlike a single cab pickup, there was a lot of room to lean the seats and put stuff behind them.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

I still have my 1979 El Camino that I bought back in the year 2000. It gets driven quite a bit during the summers.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

Nice!

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
1 month ago

I felt the same way, and when I recognized the Caprice coupe rear window from the thumbnail, I half expected to see a previous generation Caprice coupe as well, with its rear glass that went the other way:
https://stories.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/origin-61.jpg

Astrass
Astrass
1 month ago

I came to the comments to give this one an honorable mention if no one else was going to bring it up. The concave rear window in conjunction with the buttresses is one of GM’s best design elements from this era, IMO.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

I love these Caprices. Been sort of looking for one lately, but they’ve gotten more expensive than I want to pay. I missed one years ago that had a 327 in it, gone within hours of the sale posting. Anyway, the other part of the later Caprice coupes that makes them boring is the upright angle of the forward part of the C pillar vs. the forward leaning one with the Hofmeister kink of the earlier car. I also like the landau roof. Normally, I hate vinyl roofs and half-vinyl even more, but I find the forward portion being the vinyl makes it more interesting. I think I’d rather just have the two-tone paint job they offered instead, but the Landau looks better than it has any right to. Tough thing with these is the wheels. The fake wire covers are cheesy as hell, but any kind of muscle car aftermarket wheel looks makes it look trailer-park I-really-wish-this-was-a-G-or-F-body-but-grandpa-willed-me-this-instead. I think something like an Alpina 20(?) spoke in a size that allows for reasonable sidewall would look good, but that’s obviously not a catalog item in the right bolt pattern and offset.

I read about those auto t-tops before and I believe they did have insurmountable leak issues. Quite extraordinary considering what they thought was acceptable from the manual ones they sold. Can’t remember the last time I saw one of those bent-glass Toronados, but it was probably the ’80s. I remember the first one I noticed threw me because the standard ones that were everywhere had normal glass, but seeing the bent-window had me question if I was just so oblivious that I never noticed that they all had that glass before. Not beyond belief that I might have missed it as that window was the only thing I found to be interesting about them.

Yngve
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Yngve
1 month ago

Suddenly, almost involuntarily, I’ve been forced to add a retromod Oldsmobile Toronado XSR (complete with T-tops [I could live with non-automated if necessary] and hot wire rear glass) to my “if I ever win the lottery…” list.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago

I’ve always loved the back windows on these Caprices, and I had a Tomica toy version of the Olds when I was a kid that was always one of my favorites.

https://http2.mlstatic.com/D_NQ_NP_743954-MLA82186538101_012025-O.webp

Last edited 1 month ago by LTDScott
Butterfingerz
Butterfingerz
1 month ago

Or the Gran Prix 2+2?

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago
Reply to  Butterfingerz

The rear glass on those was curved, not sharp edged.

Jeff Cronin
Jeff Cronin
1 month ago

Ok, how do we not have the boattail Riveria?

Lori Hille
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Lori Hille
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Cronin

Yes, aren’t there some GM cars with a crease along the center of the back window… Eldorado? I am a little too lazy to Google it.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Cronin

That was curved glass, not creased, similar to the bubble-window Corvette Stingray.

GM’s creased glass back windows are definitely worth the article and attention — but I also think a retrospective on their other molded, bubble-profiled glass might be worth a similar treatment. They did a lot with styling glass profiles as seamlessly as possible into the car with both techniques.

Wagon Fan
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Wagon Fan
1 month ago

I’m so glad this article included a reference to the Toronado XS with the high-mount brake and turn signal lamps that were set into the bodywork just under the rear window. As a kid, someone at my church had one of these and I never knew what it was. When I thought about it later as an adult, I couldn’t figure out—no wonder, it was a super rare car!

This is why this site rocks!

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago

Somewhere in the world, I’d like to think a former Safelite repair tech is having nightmares to this day.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
1 month ago

I got all excited to mention the Monte Carlo SS Aero Coupe and then I saw it in the last paragraph, so I’m glad it wasn’t missed. Like 25 years ago a coworker’s idiot son had an Aero Coupe and somehow managed to break the back window while it was parked. The windows were almost impossible to find back then, so I can only imagine how hard they are to find today. If I recall correctly he ended up paying almost as much for a new back window as he paid for the car.

Wagon Fan
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Wagon Fan
1 month ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

I have an 1987 SS Aerocoupe and the rear window breaking is my biggest fear.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
1 month ago
Reply to  Wagon Fan

I bet. I can only imagine the price for a window, assuming you can even find one.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Well, there’s at least one on eBay, but the asking price is $2500

Cyanmauve
Cyanmauve
1 month ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Honestly, surprised it’s not more…that’s within the realm of reasonable if it is a super-rare part.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago
Reply to  Cyanmauve

Sometimes its a combination of both limited supply and limited market. Like, sure, there’s not many of those windscreens around, but there’s also not many people looking to buy one, so the price sort of hits an equilibrium

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

someone crammed a bordello into an office cubicle” is a rather good description of the 1970s.

Mr. Frick
Mr. Frick
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Interiors were awesome then. Especially custom vans and big cars.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Or like the Voyager/Caravan from this morning’s showdown, it was like a bordello inside the corner office.

I spent a few nights in my teen years crashed on the rear floor with the seats removed. I had no game at the time, so these were all solo events. Sliding door for easy vomiting.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

Well since you had the Monte Aerocoupe, why not include the Pontiac 2+2 of the same era?

It’s been my understanding that the production failure rate on bent glass was too high and it made each acceptable unit pretty darn expensive

Wagon Fan
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Wagon Fan
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

The rear window in the Pontiac Grand Prix 2+2 didn’t have any facets, so would it be made the same?

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago
Reply to  Wagon Fan

Huh, I thought it was the same as the Monte. Guess I remembered wrong. Thanks for the correction.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
1 month ago

This is back when GM still had *some* creative juice left.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore
1 month ago

GM has always been creative. Saturn, the EV-1, the Volt, etc. They just don’t know how to make things that people actually want, or when they do it’s too late and ‘we killed it because it didn’t sell well enough’.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago

Or management killed it before it was even allowed to get to market. Some of the best GM cars seem to have happened because management was looking the other way — usually in a squabble over killing something else good in favor of something half-assed.

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
1 month ago

The history of GM seems to be a repeating process of spending huge amounts of time and money to build the best rake possible, then stepping on it.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

Sideshow Bob: *groan*

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