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GM Patents A System That Will Tell You When You Need To Take Away Grandma’s Keys

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You know what people, especially older people, really love? When some faceless entity tells them what to do with their lives, especially regarding restricting their lives and reducing their autonomy. When has an older person not loved that? Who among us is not looking forward to the day when our loved ones gather around us and tell us that we need to hand over our car keys, because we’re becoming a danger to ourselves and others? I’m being a jerk here, of course; no one likes any of this, though it’s something that may be necessary. It seems that GM is thinking about the problem of people aging out of driving, and have applied for a patent to let a car make that determination for you, with all of the cold rationality we’ve come to expect from GM cars.

Like the Vega. That car was a cold-hearted bastard.

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The patent is titled, poetically, SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR DETERMINING A DRIVER RETIREMENT SCORE, and it pretty much delivers on that title, providing a system and – get this – a method for deciding when a driver is too damn old to drive. Here’s how the patent introduction describes the problem:

In general, aging can be associated with physical and psychological declines. These declines can make driving a vehicle difficult or frustrating for some older individuals. However, deciding to retire from driving a vehicle can be difficult as driving can provide a sense of freedom and/or independence that many rely on to perform day-to-day activities. Some systems and methods may evaluate performance of a driver, but they fail to provide objective assessments to the driver for further evaluation. These shortcomings, among others, are addressed by aspects of the present disclosure.

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The GM kids have done their homework here; aging can be associated with physical and psychological declines. I say this as someone who has been aging for multiple decades now, and I have direct evidence of both sorts of declines. Not all these declines translate into issues with driving, of course. Some just make people annoyed with me when I ask them to repeat things in a noisy crowd, or when I find myself entering a room and not having any idea what the hell I went in there for. But plenty of these declines do affect driving, and the GM patent seeks to evaluate those, using a lot of sensors to evaluate driver control inputs, sensors to evaluate driver physiological statuses and behaviors, and machine learning algorithms that can vary how much weight these various data points have in the overall evaluation.

The kinds of inputs from the person that the proposed system will take in seem to be divided into two categories, manual and observed:

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  • Manual Inputs (self-reported):

    • Medical condition quantity/type

    • Complaint status

    • Path-following ability

    • Road sign compliance

    • Driver confidence

    • Physical ability

  • Observed Inputs (collected via sensors):

    • Fatigue, distraction, squinting

    • Speed-limit compliance

    • Honking frequency

    • Turn signal usage

    • Lane straddling, drifting

    • Reaction time, following distance

    • Driving record, posture, speed control

    • Accelerator/brake usage

    • Navigation deviation, dangerous behavior

Honking frequency feels like one that should be taken with a grain of salt. What if there’s a car with a bumper sticker in front of you imploring you to, should you be sexually aroused, honk? What are you supposed to do then? Not honk? Please.

And what if you’re squinting to make yourself look tough and cool to the driver next to you when they pull up to a light and inevitably look into your window? There’s a lot of nuance here that I hope is being respected.

The strangely broad nature of patent applications can definitely be seen here, as one can see in this section about how the accumulated data can be shared with the user, which takes pains to include such outdated tech as cathode ray tubes and strange methods of user interfacing, like tactile feedback:

To provide for interaction with a user, one or more aspects of the disclosure can be implemented on a computer having a display device, e.g., a CRT (cathode ray tube), LCD (liquid crystal display) monitor, or touch screen for displaying information to the user and optionally a keyboard and a pointing device, e.g., a mouse or a trackball, by which the user can provide input to the computer. Other kinds of devices can be used to provide interaction with a user as well; for example, feedback provided to the user can be any form of sensory feedback, e.g., visual feedback, auditory feedback, or tactile feedback; and input from the user can be received in any form, including acoustic, speech, or tactile input. In addition, a computer can interact with a user by sending documents to and receiving documents from a device that is used by the user; for example, by sending web pages to a web browser on a user’s client device in response to requests received from the web browser.

That’s all tangential to the main point of the patent, of course, which is something that will ostensibly tell you when you’ve become too old to drive. Of course, most of the metrics that are being tested for could be applied to determine if any driver is being impaired, if not by age, then perhaps by alcohol or distractions or even just a poor grasp of the task of driving itself. If age is the real factor here, there would need to be evidence that the driving issues detected were consistent over time and unaltered by other outside driving conditions.

Really, what GM has described here is more of a general shitty-driving detection system that you’d think could be applied to anyone regardless of age. I’m not exactly sure why they decided to couch it in terms of aging drivers specifically, but perhaps that’s something that’s easier to market than a judgmental, always-on system that evaluates how everyone drives, all the time. It’s a lot easier to sell something that you may just think will help you avoid a painful conversation with an aging parent.

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Of course, at this point, a system like this can only tell you that it thinks you’re too old to keep driving, and can show you the data it has collected that led it to such a conclusion. I’d think you’re still free to ignore it. At this point, the patent makes no mention of disabling the car if consistently poor scores are met, and there’s no law on the books anywhere that would give a car the authority to prevent you from driving because its algorithms determined you’re too damn old.

And, honestly, I think that’s good. The idea of a computer buried somewhere in my car that can make the call if I can drive or not gives me hives, and it’s far too easy to imagine how such a system could either perform poorly, not fully understanding the complexities of human existence, or be co-opted by capitalist urges, like being connected to your insurance carrier who may choose to raise your rates if you fall into certain categories of scoring.

Sure, older people driving and the resulting troubles they may cause are a real issue, and one that deserves attention. However, I think evaluation systems like these just open a can of worms; I’d rather see semi-automated driving systems that watch in the background and are ready to take over and help if driving behaviors become dangerous. If technology should be applied to this problem, it should be focused on avoiding accidents and keeping drivers safe, as opposed to making judgements on something as fundamental as access to the privilege to drive.

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Luxrage
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Luxrage
1 month ago

An onboard smell-crophone will detect the odor of those strawberry hard candies that have no branding and are weirdly sticky sometimes and the wrappers are just a bright red strawberry.

ShinyMetalAsp
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ShinyMetalAsp
1 month ago

They have to include all of the strange variations on an idea, like CRTs, when modern screens would do. Otherwise some other company can take their patent, change one or two things and be granted a whole new patent for their ‘novel’ idea. By covering their bases this way they can shut down that kind of nonsense. If somebody shows up with a variation using an Etch-a-sketch display, GM can now argue their patent showed it was display-agnostic.

Also, I think your score should be illuminated as part of the CHMSL so other drivers know what they’re dealing with.

Dirtywrencher
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Dirtywrencher
1 month ago

Totally against this patent.
Totally for mandatory driver testing for license renewal after a set age.
Completely understand the reluctance to give up the freedom of driving.
Sympathize with any family members who’ve had to convince someone to give up driving. My father got out of a car he was barely driving to check a noise and fell in the street, causing a brain bleed he never recovered from. My mother bumped a pedestrian, causing a dent in her hood, and agreed she needed to stop driving. I will most likely have to have my car disabled.
Stopping an elderly driver is a complex issue that should be handled by reasonable, caring people, not a machine.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
1 month ago

My wife will always remind me that when I’m driving my truck, which is the typical four-door short bed, full-size family type vehicle, against driving by CTSV, I drive the truck like an old man and go slow sometimes too slow. But when I drive the CTSV I’m always ripping that thing around and beating on it and she is confused….
It’s bi-polar for me apparently. I’m 45, so not too old yet

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

You’re not alone in that. I drive the minivan very different than I drive the Miata.

Johnologue
Johnologue
1 month ago

Mozilla’s “Privacy Not Included” has hopefully been made aware of the new manmade horrors beyond their comprehension. Terrifying ideas.

Jeff Marquardt
Jeff Marquardt
1 month ago

I have a similar story to many others here. My grandfather got lost a few times, later pulled out without looking causing a minor fender bender and my uncles took his car away and transitioned him into assisted living, after that his dementia came on quick. It was heart breaking to see the decline.

However, I don’t like intrusive technology. I feel that driver’s license renewals after a pre-determined age or other factors such as post- accident license renewal would be a more blanket way to solve this problem.

When I’m old, I know I’d much rather be driving a vintage car with minimal electronics, so as I descend into feebleness it may otherwise go undetected.

FiveOhNo
FiveOhNo
1 month ago

Cool. Now when will Stellantis patent a system that tells David Tracy he has too many rusty, non-functional Jeeps?

Harvey Davidson
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Harvey Davidson
1 month ago
Reply to  FiveOhNo

You can’t patent rust.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

An interesting yet 2001 Soylent Green approach. Are these going to be limited to old folks? I wonder if this system applied to a new driver might say they are too old. How about a lane splitting motorcycle rider let’s test them. The first argument is going to claim ageism so to use it you need to test it against other crappy drivers.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

“or be co-opted by capitalist urges, like being connected to your insurance carrier who may choose to raise your rates if you fall into certain categories of scoring.”

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Some drivers SHOULD pay more for the greater risks they are.

Johnologue
Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

That’s basically the “vitality curve” invented by infamous CEO Jack Welch.
The “top performers” (you!) will see benefit, average people (you?) might get a little more, and the terrible low-performers (not you!) will no longer “burden” you.

It’s a scam that plays with people’s ego and feelings of what they do or don’t “deserve”.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

And now we know which group you belong in.

Johnologue
Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

There are problems with that thinking, and I consider myself a pretty good driver; but I won’t deny that I’m “C-group” in a business/work sense. A slacker with a bad attitude, etc. So I do “deserve” it.
I’m very biased, but I still warn: systems like that harm everyone.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

We aren’t talking about people being persecuted for their race, sex, orientation, political views, religion or even their age. The intent is to penalize for the increased risk they create through poor driving behaviors like speeding, ignoring signs, tailgating, weaving, hard braking, jackrabbit starts, etc. Nobody makes those drivers do those things and those things are not unavoidable realities despite what anyone says.

Johnologue
Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

These sort of data-driven assumptions can absolutely be discriminatory.
For an obvious example, the community and roads someone lives in and around may significantly affect their driving data, and that could easily lead to measurable bias against people of certain incomes or ethnicity.

That’s just an obvious one. Drawing conclusions from this kind of minute surveillance with profit motivation is always going to be unfair.

Whether or not someone has “nothing to hide”, they have a right to privacy for good reason.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

If what you say is true and it’s “the community and roads someone lives in and around” that forces those unfortunate souls to speed/not stop/tailgate/weave/brake hard/jackrabbit start then the need for such systems is far greater, not less! What better way to prove the community and roads needs fixing and what better way to motivate those changes than to penalize everyone who does those risky behaviors equally?

Philip Nelson
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Philip Nelson
1 month ago

This will definitely work, since all of the elderly drivers out there that should have their keys taken away are driving cars with the latest tech and totally love interfacing with said tech!

Howie
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Howie
1 month ago

We worried about my mom. After dad passed, she declined. The passenger side mirror disappeared once. She got lost leaving a sister’s house and called for help. She was leaving the grocery store <1 mile from home and rear ended someone. A family friend was behind her and watched the accident. I had a conversation with the local LT and she said she would do the revocation. Mom blamed it on “the ridiculous insurance companies”. I really didn’t need the car to tell me. I agree about privacy concerns, after all, Elon and the Administration are sucking up your data. All we need is GM teaming up with an alliance…..

Vee
Vee
1 month ago

This is seriously alarming. They’re presenting this as “help for the elderly” but looking at the actual details of the patent this is designed for a massive amount of data collection to build a biometric profile of the driver and possibly (the patent’s not clear) any passengers in the vehicle. This profile can then be directly tracked by anyone with access to the connected account. There’s multitudes of ways for this to be abused, and it provides very little benefit in return.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Vee

Can it tell if Granny is driving or if grand kids stole the car?

Vee
Vee
1 month ago

Judging by the list of sensors and things tracked it’ll be so sensitive it’ll be able to tell if you have to pee or not by how much to the right you’ve shifted your weight in the seat.

Harvey Davidson
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Harvey Davidson
1 month ago
Reply to  Vee

… And what happens when you sell the car? Or when different people drive it (e.g. two parents, one or two kids, a friend, grandma)? Judging by how rarely people clear their phone data out of rentals…

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
1 month ago

There will be lots of jokes about this subject until you are put in a position where you have to take the keys away from a parent or grandparent. It doesn’t help that our society in the US is so incredibly car-centric mixed in with the stubborn individualism of our culture.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Sorry Dad had a fun part time job at a race track for a few years and one day couldn’t find his way home. Went to the VA and it was loss of cognitive ability we made sure he didn’t drive again. Mom actually took it upon herself to stop driving. You stand up for what is right why is this so hard for people to get behind.

Jllybn
Jllybn
1 month ago

I don’t know what those young fellers at GM is worried about. Says in the Reader’s Digest that they got some kinda new-fangled robots that’s gonna do the drivin’ fer everyone. Some youngster by the name ‘a Eldon Muskie is buildin’ ’em as we speak. I hope they come soon, I’d hate ta miss my weekly get-together down to the Cracker Barrel just on account of my car won’t let me drive. I can drive just fine. Can even drive a standard. Like to see one of them young punks tackle a three on the tree!

Mikkeli
Mikkeli
1 month ago

I’ve been an attorney for about 20 years. One of my pet interests are things where the black letter of the law and reality diverge. And the related: where the black letter of the law hasn’t changed in decades, but perceptions and enforcement have totally changed.

It is illegal to hide granny’s keys, or disconnect the battery. And yet you can google elder advice and both a super common. Yes there are procedures to report to the DMV, but I’d wager the vast majority of families lie and disable vehicles so that a dangerous driver isn’t on the road. And I bet there are virtually no prosecutions for that (even though its deprivation of their property), because no sane prosecutor or jury would convict. I will fully admit we disconnected the batter, or told my mom (now in memory care) the car needed to be fixed, but the shop was waiting on a hard to get part.

(the other example is that how it was common for rural folks to shoot a sick dog, but now – even without much in the way of new animal cruelty laws – that would be a risky move)

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Mikkeli

I not only think you aren’t a lawyer I’m betting you never played one on TV. It is totally legal to do anything to prevent an unsafe driver from attempting to drive. You think the law requires that you give a drunk his keys? The law is quite specific you can be sued if you don’t prevent a drunk from driving.

Mikkeli
Mikkeli
1 month ago

However, if the parent does not have dementia or the child takes the car or car keys from the parent, then there is potential risk of that being considered theft.”
https://dallaselderlawyer.com/how-to-stop-unsafe-seniors-from-driving/

You could just take the parent’s keys anyway; however, this could damage your relationship with your parent, and it could also have legal consequences. There have been documented cases of the parent reporting their car stolen after an adult child took the keys away. “
https://www.elderoptionsoftexas.com/how-to-get-elderly-parents-to-quit-driving.htm

Kevin Rhodes
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

This thing would (should) probably tell half the drivers on the road currently to give up the keys.

Bob Boxbody
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Bob Boxbody
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

The lane-straddling alone would get rid of 1/3 of the bro-dozers on the road.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob Boxbody

How about motorcycle riders? They are worse than drunks on a cocaine high with a live badger in the car with a meth addicted hooker.

Harvey Davidson
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Harvey Davidson
1 month ago

That is certainly vivid.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago

Not surprising since that dude does meth…

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
1 month ago

They’ll make this standard on every Cadillac and Buick until too many drivers get flagged before they can leave the dealership.

Harvey Davidson
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Harvey Davidson
1 month ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

Buicks don’t need this tech almost by definition.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

I wonder if they could add irritability detection to this. Oh, wait, that would probably disqualify me from driving.

I never understand why aging causes people to slow down. They got less time to waste.

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