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Here’s Everything Wrong With My ‘Mint’ $1700 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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Last weekend I purchased a new 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee after realizing that my 5-speed “Holy Grail” project hadn’t gone anywhere in five years and wasn’t likely to go anywhere in the next five years. This nice 1993, I figured, would replace that project and give me an opportunity to drive a ZJ now instead of sometime far in the future. There’s only one issue: There’s no chance I can drive this thing now, as it’s got some issues. Here’s what they are.

When I first saw this Jeep ZJ, I knew I was buying it. The shiny paint, the 100% rust-free body, the rare unkillable AW4 automatic, the 95,000 miles on the odometer, the low $1700 asking price — it was a no-brainer.

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But despite the low miles and shiny paint, this Jeep is far from perfect. It was cheap for a reason. So let’s get into that.

The Paint Is Nice, But Far From Perfect

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As beautiful as the ZJ’s paint is, it’s got sap on it, and to get the sap off a previous owner appears to have hit the paint with a green side of a Scotch-Brite pad. It’s not great.

Here’s the sap, which I’m hoping to get off with alcohol or Goo-gone (my typical hand sanitizer method did not work):

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And here are scratches from failed sap removal:

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I think the clear-coat swirls can be removed with buffing, but whether I plan to do that myself, I haven’t decided. There are some other scratches that I plan to improve with touch-up paint:

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And the hood, while still a nice color, appears rather flat. I’m not sure there’s much clear-coat left:

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Also, in the door jambs you can see some of the paint lines:

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Around the handles and on the roof you can see where the new paint is peeling a bit:

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The side pinstripes almost seem like they were not quite painted over?:

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And here and there there appear to be some blemishes:

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So it’s not immaculate paint, but it’s better than I’d expect from any non-garage-kept vehicle here in SoCal.

The Body Is Beautiful, But There Are A Few Dings

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There are light dings throughout the body, with the worst being on the hatch and rear passenger’s side door.

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They’re not huge and don’t bother me too much.

The Steering Makes The Jeep Undrivable

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Some of you noted that, instead of driving the Jeep after buying it, I had it towed to work. The primary reasons for that: 1. I don’t know the state of the gearbox/engine fluids 2. The tires are wack and 3. The steering is horrible.

The first two are no problem, while the last makes the Jeep truly undrivable. The amount of slop in that steering is horrendous, and I’ve driven some of the jankiest Jeeps on the planet; none were this bad.

The problem, strangely enough, appears to be at the top of the steering column. Looking under the dash while Griffin turned the wheel back and forth, I noticed that the steering intermediate shaft was not turning. What’s going on? Is it the splines up top? I’m very confused.

The Interior Is…OK

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One of the strangest things about this ZJ is the fact that the leather interior is completely custom. Why? Why not just snag leather seats from a junkyard ZJ?

I think the answer is that the original owner saved money by purchasing the Laredo model instead of the Limited, but they wanted leather, so they went to a shop called Classic Soft Trim in Pittsburgh, PA to get completely custom leather seats and door card inserts.

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The seats are a little worn, and the driver’s one has a hole in it. My plan is to clean them up real nice and see what I think then.

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I also need to replace the dome light and fix some of the headliner at the rear of the Jeep.

The Grille Is Really Janky

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The front of the Jeep needs a bit of work. The lights are broken/missing, and so is the header panel. Plus, the grille is cracked and barely holding on.

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I’m so confused about what’s going on at the grille. Not only is the grille cracked where it would mount to the radiator support, but the steel cooling module protectors are completely loose, and the transmission cooler normally bolted to them is also just flopping around at the front of the Jeep.

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What is going on here? Why did someone break the grille and undo the bolts holding the condenser/radiator protection brackets to the radiator support crossmember?

The Underbody Is Even Jankier

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Sliding underneath revealed more jank. Why did someone install the driver’s side lower control arm upside down? This is how it is supposed to look:

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More importantly, why did someone drill a hole into the bell housing?!

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Not to mention, the flex plate sheetmetal cover is missing; I’m assuming that’s because the flex plate bolts got loose as they do in all AW4s. Still, that doesn’t explain the hole.

Overall, I’m Hopeful

There are some other issues. The hood latch cable, for example, needs to be replaced:

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And the antenna is broken:

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And the badge letters are too far apart:

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But the Jeep has zero rust:

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And just look at that new paint shine:

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I’ll fix the paint blemishes, sort the steering, replace the tires, redo the front end and underbody jankery, clean the interior, treat the exterior plastic bumpers so they look dark and new, and then get this jeep on the road. Then I’ll add my rare spare tire carrier and other fun bits from the project I’m giving up on.

It’s far from mint, but it’s better. Even if I have a bit more to do than I may have initially thought, this at least seems manageable.

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Brockstar
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Brockstar
3 days ago

We had a 94 red Laredo with tan leather. I remember how cool the vehicle information center was in it. My dad and his two brothers all bought red 93/94 grand cherokees as company cars for their family business. Each one was a different package and it caught me off guard how different they could feel even between just the Laredo interior trims back then. Ours had adjustable front headrests but the others with factory cloth didn’t. We also had a bigger overhead console that the others didn’t have.

Gubbin
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Gubbin
3 days ago

“Fix the cigarette lighter.”

Ppnw
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Ppnw
4 days ago

So you swapped a completely insurmountable project for a different project, which looks only slightly less time consuming?

Bless you and the endless content you provide!

I_drive_a_truck
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I_drive_a_truck
4 days ago

Like he said, it’s Michigan Mint

Knowonelse
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Knowonelse
4 days ago

I have one word for removing sap – BUTTER, yes, BUTTER !
Use a plastic scraper to remove fresh sap or your fingernails.
Use the plastic scraper on thick sap and it might chip off.
Smear it on (it doesn’t have to be a lot) and let it soften the sap.
Rub it in with your fingers.
Wipe the butter/sap off. Fingernails work really well.
Re-apply and repeat for thicker sap.
After removing the butter, wash with whatever works for you. Detergent is good.
Bonus round! Butter works great for removing from your hands too!

Rollin Hand
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Rollin Hand
1 day ago
Reply to  Knowonelse

Great, now we have a buttered-up David Tracy to visualise.

I’m going to need some cheap bourbon to burn that image away.

Clear Prop
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Clear Prop
4 days ago

Why is it on a 9-series plate? If it was an original California car, it should be on a 2 or 3-series plate.

Title washed after a crash (front end damage and repaint)?

The bottom looks too nice for a 35 year old car, even in California.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 days ago
Reply to  Clear Prop

“the original owner saved money by purchasing the Laredo model instead of the Limited, but they wanted leather, so they went to a shop called Classic Soft Trim in Pittsburgh, PA to get completely custom leather seats and door card inserts.”

Pretty sure it’s not an original California car. Not sure how it avoided rust though.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
3 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

It didn’t, not entirely. This looks problematic to me

https://imgur.com/a/oda3jYD

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 days ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

It looks to me like a car that’s been parked outside. Even in California cars can rust if neglected.

Clear Prop
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Clear Prop
3 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Oops, missed that. Thanks.

So DT is back to importing rust into California.

Someone needs to slap a Prop 65 warning on him.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
4 days ago

CHEROKEE RESTORATION
(Apologies to Paul Revere and the Raiders)

[verse 1]

Gonna take the whole Cherokee nation,
To effect ol’ DT’s Jeep salvation
Spare no expense to extend its life
Long as it’s cleared with DT’s wife

[verse 2]

Fix what ails the steering column
Polish the paint till it looks young
Flip that control arm right around
Add four new tires to meet the ground

[chorus]

Cherokee people, Cherokee ride
So fun to fix, so fun to drive

[verse 3]

Next to come in this restoration,
A new antenna to pull in stations
Then hood release, dome light and grille
Headliner glue and a hole to fill

[chorus]

Cherokee people, Cherokee ride
So fun to fix, so fun to drive

[outro]

And maybe someday a swing away spare
Then DT’s ZJ will be there, will be there, will be there, will be there

Get an E-bike
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Get an E-bike
4 days ago

“Mint” is perhaps relative. On the David Tracy scale established by previous projects, this ain’t bad?

Dave's_Not_Here
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Dave's_Not_Here
4 days ago

A heat gun helps soften the sap for easier removal.

R53forfun
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R53forfun
4 days ago

Respectfully, I don’t think “mint” means what you think it means. 🙂

*Jason*
*Jason*
4 days ago
Reply to  R53forfun

Well you have to remember this is David. “Rust free” means full perforation rust holes.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
4 days ago
Reply to  R53forfun

To wit:

The seats are a little worn

Dennis Birtcher
Dennis Birtcher
4 days ago
Reply to  R53forfun

Wait until you hear his definition of “holy grail”

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
4 days ago

$1700 is basically free in the usedcariverse. Except some methy mechanical work, this thing looks amazing.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
4 days ago

“Rust-free”

https://imgur.com/a/oda3jYD

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
4 days ago

I get the feeling that a cleaning and conditioning will work wonders on that interior. The burn hole is an easy repair. I can see that paint coming up pretty well, and the rest of the crazy prior-owner bodges will provide some good content as you dig into it. Looks like a great score!

Ex-Exeo
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Ex-Exeo
4 days ago

Have you thought of exporting this thing to Germany and making it pass TÜV? Should be easy after your experiences with Project Krassler.

Last edited 4 days ago by Ex-Exeo
CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
4 days ago

Jeep is now the most common brand on the Galpin Ford lot.

Fourmotioneer
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Fourmotioneer
4 days ago

Loose nut behind the wheel

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
4 days ago
Reply to  Fourmotioneer

COTD

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
4 days ago

Everything

You mean, everything you’ve found so far.

Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
4 days ago

Someone please check my reading comprehension skills. What I read was:

“Tracy owns a Jeep that he can’t drive because it needs to be fixed, so he’s replacing it with another Jeep that he can’t drive because it needs to be… less fixed?”

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
4 days ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

But, this Jeep goes to 11.

*Jason*
*Jason*
4 days ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

Yes. Now he has 3 broken Jeep Grand Cherokees.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
3 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

And yet he keeps telling us Jeep Grand Cherokees are bullet proof……..

Mouse
Mouse
2 days ago
Reply to  Scoutdude

He keeps telling us the transmission is bulletproof. Notsomuch the rest of it.

Justa Dude
Justa Dude
1 day ago
Reply to  Scoutdude

Right, because they don’t have timing belts.

Spikersaurusrex
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Spikersaurusrex
4 days ago

Looks like a good fixer for the price. Nothing there that an experienced guy like you can’t fix in a weekend. Now to find a weekend to do it.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
4 days ago

IMO, fix everything mechanical but nothing cosmetic except what’s legally required, and then put countless pinstripes and dents in the body by taking it off road with your family and not giving a damn. You have other vehicles you can drive for adulting purposes, but having a car you don’t care about body damage on is sooo much more fun to drive. I’d also love to see a complete novice attempt to do a good job using the dipyourcar.com stuff that plastidip makes. Some of it looks pretty amazing when they do it, but I want to see what happens when a novice attempts it.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 days ago

Yes! That and accept that the Cat Jeep’s fate will be being harvested for parts (possibly SOMEONE ELSE’S manual swap) since I don’t see anyone in SoCal wanting a “Michigan rust-free” GC for anything but that.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
3 days ago

This. It’s a great candidate to get sorted mechanically, and then have fun ‘wheeling the heck out of it. Let it live it’s best, carefree life romping off-road, not worrying about the cosmetic stuff.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
3 days ago

I’ve dipped hubcaps before in my garage. As is true with paint, the dipping is the easy part. 90% is the prep. The dip is still holding on just fine over two years later of daily three season driving. I’m going to redo it in the spring to get a different color.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 day ago

Donut did the Dip Your Car thing in one of their Hi-Low series. It didn’t turn out well, because they didn’t really follow the directions. They did a follow up after Dipyourcar got involved, and it looked better, but didn’t hold up well.

ClutchAbuse
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ClutchAbuse
4 days ago

Cool find, but I hope your wife is cool with this. On the plus side there’s plenty of room in the back for a sleeping bag if she isn’t.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 days ago
Reply to  ClutchAbuse

At the end of the day, this is his job. As a lot of commenters pointed out, he’s build a brand off of wrenching on Jeeps and those are some of the highest-engagement posts on the site, at least in terms of comment numbers.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
4 days ago

David please tell me this isn’t the Jeep I sent you? Also remember buy the best example you can buy instead of the cheapest. I hope I didn’t lead you down a bad path.

My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
4 days ago

Well at least you have a Jeep Grand Cherokee filled with parts from another Jeep Grand Cherokee to fix this Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Not sure how many Grand Cherokees one requires to make a Jeep Grand Cherokee of Theseus.

But I suppose you’ll find out, and I’m happy to go along for the ride.

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
3 days ago

Not sure how many Grand Cherokees one requires to make a Jeep Grand Cherokee of Theseus.

Always +1 from the current count.

Mouse
Mouse
2 days ago

This reminded me I think every Jeep Grand Cherokee David’s ever owned is a Jeep Grand Cherokee of Theseus.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
4 days ago

I bought a new 1994 Grand Cherokee Laredo in that color. I loved it. I think it was called Wild Berry. It’s a shame about the hole in the seat because that looks like a good quality leather.

CSRoad
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CSRoad
4 days ago

I see a happy David, two short articles, more to come and a sensible rust free vehicle as an end point.

LBJsPNS
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LBJsPNS
4 days ago
Reply to  CSRoad

Leave us not forget a happy family.

HWHL

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