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Here’s Why That Awesome Holden Ute You Saw On Facebook Marketplace Could Be Illegal

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If you’re like me, you probably spend an inordinate amount of time on Facebook Marketplace window shopping for cars. You can get lost in the many pages of Marketplace, finding everything from wacky custom builds to rare cars that you’re shocked aren’t being sold on Bring a Trailer. Then there are the imports, and some of these get really interesting. You don’t have to look too hard to find an imported car that’s way younger than 25 years old, but the seller claims it has a “U.S. title.” The Holden Ute is a frequent example that shows up for sale online as a young vehicle that is completely legal. But is that ute actually legal? And what might happen if you bought it, anyway?

Here in America, determining the legality of your favorite import is pretty easy. Most imports are barred from entry until they either reach 25 years of age, or are converted to meet U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) standards. Only a handful of imports are legal to enter America under the famous Show or Display exemption, and only a handful of companies and people have been determined enough to convert imports to American standards.

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There are other exceptions to the rules. A car can be temporarily imported for evaluation, military, diplomatic, or tourism purposes. Canadian and Mexican drivers can also easily import their cars into the United States if they own a model that was also sold here. Technically, you can have a brand-new Japanese Kei truck in America, too, so long as it’s limited to 25 mph and imported as an off-road-only vehicle.

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But for most people, if you’re looking at a car that is younger than 25 years old and it isn’t some rare car that was built in fewer than 500 units, it’s probably not legal to import. So then, why is it rather easy to find an import for sale that’s barely over 10 years old and not even close to something that was actually sold here?

Forbidden Fruit At Home

I’ll give you an example of what I’m talking about. Here are four Holden Commodore wagons and Utes for sale in the USA. I found many more for sale all over America:

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I reached out to a few sellers and asked them what made their cars legal. One told me that he went to a judge and argued that his wagon is similar to a Chevrolet SS sedan, and brought documentation with him. The judge was convinced enough and signed off on the paperwork. The seller also mentioned he is a police officer, and that other people in other places might not be as successful. Other sellers told me their vehicles come with valid titles and that they’re legal to register anywhere. Some of them even claim to have the vehicle’s import paperwork. Sadly, all of these cars were way too rich for my blood.

I don’t doubt any of it. Some states have pretty low bars to clear before they’ll issue a title to a vehicle. I have even personally seen more than one illegally imported car that had a state-issued title.

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It’s important to know that state-legal and federal-legal are not the same thing. As we have reported in the past in our Kei ban coverage, the states can regulate what cars can and cannot drive on their roads. Import regulations are handled on the federal level. When you import a car, it’s cleared or denied by the feds, not your state. This matters because if the feds figure out that you’ve been driving a car that wasn’t imported legally, they may demand its exportation or destruction at your cost. If you’re lucky, you’ll get to keep the car, but only after the government demands a payment that’s larger than what you paid for the car in the first place. The federal government, which supercedes the state level, is not going to care about your state title.

There are plenty of sad stories about illegal imports that have met their ends despite having state titles. Back in 2016, Jalopnik wrote about the story of Billy Crider, a guy who could do nothing as the feds crushed his 1995 Nissan Skyline only four months after he bought it. Billy’s car didn’t have any sneaky VIN-swap business going on or anything like that. The state of Ohio was happy to issue it a title and license plates. Billy even said he was able to get the car emissions tested and safety tested without an issue.

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It was only after a crash that State Farm realized Billy’s Skyline didn’t have a 17-digit VIN. The feds were tipped off, and sure enough, it was discovered that the car’s import was not kosher. That Billy had a title and his car was registered was entirely meaningless.

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What’s also important to note here is that the government didn’t catch the illegal import until it was tipped off by State Farm. Remember this, because it’ll come up later on.

I have spent much of my career as an auto writer asking the sellers of Holden Commodores and Holden Utes about how exactly they managed to dodge the 25-year import rule. Most of the time, they just tell me it’s legal because it has a title. Some others have told me they imported a naked body in one container, imported the powertrain in another container, and then rebuilt the car at home. I’ve also seen examples of naked bodies shipped in that have been rebuilt using parts from a Pontiac G8, Chevrolet Caprice PPV, or Chevrolet SS.

Unfortunately, most of these people haven’t been able to give me any solid proof as to the specific reason why their import is legal. The best explanation I’ve heard thus far is the judge story I wrote above. Usually, I just get told that their vehicle got past the border, their state registered the car, and nobody has bothered them since … which doesn’t really answer my question.

As it turns out, I am not the only person who has long wondered about this. An Autopian reader, who asked me to keep their identity anonymous, decided to get to the bottom of this.

What The Feds Say

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First, let’s talk about America’s convoluted import regulations. Many of the Holdens for sale in America have their Australian VINs and their Australian powertrains. Sometimes, these vehicles are described as having been imported in parts and then assembled in America. Alright, what does the American government say about that?

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Here’s what the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) says about importing a “disassembled vehicle.”:

A disassembled vehicle that is shipped without an engine and transmission is treated for importation purposes not as a motor vehicle, but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. Such an assemblage can lawfully be imported into the U.S., provided any equipment included in the assemblage that is subject to FMVSS, but was not originally manufactured to comply with that FMVSS or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, is removed from the assemblage prior to entry into the U.S. Equipment items that are subject to the FMVSS include tires, rims, brake hoses, brake fluid, seat belt assemblies, glazing materials, and lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.

If the assemblage is shipped with an engine and power train (even if those components are not installed), it would be regarded for importation purposes as a motor vehicle, and would have to be either manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS, and be so certified by its original manufacturer, in the form of a label permanently affixed to the vehicle, or be determined eligible for importation by NHTSA and be imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI to bring the vehicle into compliance with all applicable FMVSS after importation.

NHTSA doesn’t mention totally naked bodies as being subject to FMVSS. The EPA also suggests that importing a body is fair game, so long as it is actually just a totally naked body and not just a complete car with its engine removed:

The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered “motor vehicles” under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies. A motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body.

However, the EPA also doesn’t beat around the bush and states that importing an entire car in parts to bypass emissions and import regulations is not legal:

The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced.

What’s amazing is that the EPA is quite adamant that importing a car in parts is not kosher in the eyes of the feds. It mentions this a second time in the same document that I linked:

“Motor vehicles” must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations.

Alright, so if disassembling a car in its departure country, importing it, and then reassembling it here in America is illegal, how are imported cars running around America that were imported in this manner?

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How Imports Leak Through

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There’s a misconception that U.S. Customs and Border Protection picks through every import and every shipping container with a fine-tooth comb. The reality is a bit different. The government simply doesn’t have the resources to inspect even a fraction of the imports that come into America. Yes, Customs will do random inspections, sort of like how a secret shopper works in the retail industry, but countless shipments will not get looked at. Because of this, some shippers will roll the dice and ship an illegal vehicle.

And so, it would not be unusual for a complete Nissan Skyline hiding in a shipping container to be missed. If you choose to import a disassembled vehicle and your container does get searched, you could also say that you’re importing car parts. The feds won’t know that you plan on rebuilding that car later on, thus circumventing the 25-year rule.

Either way, so long as your import paperwork looks good and you pay the applicable tariffs and duties, the papers will probably get rubber-stamped and you’ll be on your way. Your state will then be happy to issue you a title and license plates.

You may also ask about the Show or Display exemption, or NHTSA’s famous List of Nonconforming Vehicles Decided To Be Eligible for Importation. Thankfully, the federal government is pretty clear on both of these. Here’s the Show or Display exemption:

A rule permitting entry of nonconforming motor vehicles for purposes of show or display became effective on August 13, 1999. If you wish to import a vehicle for show or display, you must apply to NHTSA for permission to do so and establish that the vehicle is of such historical or technological significance that it is in the public interest to show or display the vehicle in the United States even though it would be difficult or impossible to bring the vehicle into compliance with the Federal motor vehicle safety standards. This provision is intended to facilitate the importation of historically or technologically significant vehicles that were never certified by their manufacturer for sale in the United States.

VEHICLE ELIGIBILITY

In determining whether a vehicle is eligible for importation for show or display, NHTSA will consider the following factors, among others:

1. Whether a vehicle of the same make, model, and model year was manufactured and certified for sale in the United States.
2. Whether a vehicle of the same make, model, and model year has been determined eligible for importation pursuant to 49 CFR Part 593.
3. Whether the vehicle is currently in production.
4. Whether more than 500 of the vehicles were produced.
5. Whether the vehicle is a kit car, replica, or special construction vehicle.

If the answer to any of the above is affirmative, you should not expect NHTSA to grant permission for importation. If the answer to item 4 is affirmative, the applicant must establish that the vehicle is of exceptional technological and/or historical significance.

The only Holden on the Show or Display list is the 2000 Holden GTS-R (below).

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NHTSA also maintains a list (link downloads a spreadsheet) of all vehicles that are younger than 25 years old that are legal for importation in America. You’ll note that a 2002 Smart Fortwo is legal, but there isn’t a single Holden on the list. Why? Well, it’s because a couple of companies were crazy enough to federalize the 2002 Smart Fortwo, but the same has not happened for any Holden. So, none of these Holdens can be imported normally.

There are other ways to import a vehicle illegally. You could buy a car in Canada or Mexico, drive it across the border, and then sell it. This is illegal because you never went through the importation process.

Now, not every Holden Ute gets imported into America in parts. Some are imported as naked bodies, and are then paired with a U.S. drivetrain, and then get a specially-constructed VIN. Some others are imported as naked bodies, are paired with the firewall of a Pontiac G8, Chevy SS, or Chevy Caprice PPV, and then completed with a U.S.-spec drivetrain. Finally, some of these Holdens really do start life as a U.S.-market car, and then get a ute body grafted on.

That last one is interesting because you can import car parts, and there’s nothing stopping you from cutting up a Pontiac G8 and grafting on the parts that you imported to make a ute. This is also the logic behind the idea of building a ute around a Pontiac or Chevy firewall.

Another potential method is the Substantially Similar clause. Basically, you have to prove that the car that you’re importing is similar to a vehicle that was already sold here. Usually, this means getting a letter from the vehicle’s manufacturer, or otherwise providing documented proof that your import is similar to a car that’s already sold here. This clause is usually used by people importing their common Toyota, Honda, or whatever from Canada into the United States. However, enthusiasts do attempt to use the clause on a case-by-case basis to import their dream cars. The success rate of this method varies wildly. Regardless, the people importing their cars in parts are not using this clause.

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What Does NHTSA Say?

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Those grafs above cover a lot of rules and regulations, but there is still plenty of debate about ways to get around the 25-year rule. Our anonymous reader had enough of the bickering and reached out to NHTSA:

Hello,

Do you have any information on this VIN being imported into the USA? VIN [redacted].

I have seen several Holden brand Utes for sale online that I am interested in purchasing, but I do not see any Holdens listed in the latest list of Non conforming Vehicle Eligibility list.

Is there any updated list or any changes to import regulations that would allow someone import a Holden Ute less than 25 years old and retain the original Australian VIN? Is it legal to import the shell of a Holden Ute to the US and install a US spec drivetrain into it to obtain an assembled vehicle title?

Thank you,

[Redacted]

Here’s what NHTSA said:

Dear [Redacted],

This email is in response to your email of November 15, 2025, regarding importation of a 2009 Holden Utes (VIN: [redacted]) or build a vehicle into its shell.

You stated that you did not see any Holden vehicles listed in the latest list of Non-conforming Vehicle Eligibility list. Thank you for verifying the vehicle information through this list: https://www.nhtsa.gov/document/eligible-vehicles-imported-other-countries-non-canadian. Holden Utes vehicles (all model years) are not on this list. This vehicle is not eligible to enter the U.S.

You asked if it is legal to import the shell of a Holden Ute to the U.S. and install a U.S. spec drivetrain into it to obtain an assembled vehicle title. We suggest you consider at a very minimum the followings:

If you want to install systems into the shell of this 2009 Holden Utes, you are a manufacturer of the vehicle you build. You should follow 49 CFR Part 566 and 49 CFR part 551 (if you are not in the U.S.) to register with NHTSA as a manufacturer.

This vehicle is no longer a Holden Utes. The VIN [redacted] is no longer applicable. You should submit an application to SAE for a WMI (VIN) for this vehicle.

With the new VIN (WMI assigned by SAE) for this vehicle, you need to follow the requirements in the NHTSA’s Manufacturer Handbook and to CERTIFY that this vehicle complies to all applicable FMVSS and shall affix to this vehicle a certification label that be riveted or permanently affixed in such a manner that it cannot be removed without destroying or defacing it. (49 CFR Part 567).

NHTSA is an agency for the motor vehicle safety standards. We suggest you also reach out EPA for their requirements regarding what you asked for.

NHTSA is an agency for the motor vehicle safety. NHTSA has no objection to decisions CBP, EPA and any other government agencies (federal or state, or local) have made based on CBP’s, EPA’s and any other government agencies’ regulations regarding what you asked for.

NHTSA’s Manufacturer Handbook: https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/ManufacturerHandbook.pdf

I hope these of information can be useful.

Sincerely,

Jisan Xue
Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
1200 New Jersey Avenue SE.
Washington, DC 20590

I have reached out to NHTSA and Jisan Xue myself, but have yet to hear back.

NHTSA’s interpretation confirms what I wrote earlier. An import that’s younger than 25 years old that still has its original powertrain and VIN probably isn’t legal. NHTSA also suggests that it is technically legal to mate a U.S. powertrain with an imported body, and getting a new VIN is a part of the process – though the process described above is convoluted.

Be Careful

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So then, what to do if you run across an import for sale on Facebook and the seller tells you that it was imported in parts? The feds seem to think that’s not legal. Of course, an illegal car may never get caught. The Nissan Skyline I mentioned above wasn’t caught until it got into a crash. A vehicle with a 17-digit VIN might fly under the radar forever.

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But if the feds do come knocking, the owner of an illegal import may find out the hard way that their state title, valid registration, and whatever import paperwork they have are not shields against the feds demanding the vehicle be exported or crushed, and the enthusiast doesn’t get their money back. They might be able to escape the worst outcome with the help of an attorney, but it’s not going to be a fun ride. Or cheap.

All of this is to say that, if you’re going to plunk down tens of thousands of dollars on some forbidden fruit, know the risks. If you’re okay with the risk, more power to you. Go ahead and buy that car. Otherwise, most enthusiasts should stick to cars that are 25 years old and older. Yes, I know it sucks, but it’s better than finding out the hard way that the sweet Nissan Skyline, Holden, or anything else you bought isn’t as legal as you thought.

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Ben Titus
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Ben Titus
1 month ago

Tavarish did a whole series on importing a Ute that he fixed up and gave to a fan. If I remember correctly, for certain years, the substantially similar clause would apply, especially since they built production-level Utes for federalization purposes just before Pontiac’s demise. Since they were already a G8 with a Ute-body, I think it just squeaked through. Again though, I think it only applies to the latest model years. I’ll have to go back and rewatch the episodes.

Also- he’s in Florida, and everything’s legal-enough in Florida…

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

One told me that he went to a judge and argued that his wagon is similar to a Chevrolet SS sedan, and brought documentation with him. The judge was convinced enough and signed off on the paperwork. “

My gut tells me this is BS. Or maybe it was just a local county judge and Federally speaking, the vehicle is 100% illegal… and the seller probably knows this.

Would only buy it if it was dirt cheap to the point that I wouldn’t care if the Feds confiscated and crushed it.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

The judge is probably his drinking buddy, and this won’t hold up for the buyer.

Foggytrucker
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Foggytrucker
1 month ago

We can’t just have everything unregulated, but when we are paying people 6 figure salaries to hector people who want to put a new body on a legal American chassis we have reached absurdity.

How many people would go through the trouble of importing modern El Caminos from Australia? A few thousand, maybe, out of a country of millions. Not worth spending millions and putting citizens through legal minefields to prevent the importation of an insignificant number of vehicles.

Michael Beranek
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Michael Beranek
1 month ago

51 different sets of laws- what a country.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
1 month ago

In this case there’s really only the one law that matters, which is the 25 year rule.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago

One of the best descriptions of US states versus the US Federal level is “50 small squabbling countries all in an ill-fitting trenchcoat.”

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago

I agree. It is a way of running a country that makes us great. You can find a home that thinks the way YOU want AND still retain all the rights given federally. I love how our Federal Republic systems work.

Space
Space
1 month ago

Huh never thought about the body swap with a new VIN being legal. I thought the only way was to take a existing car with a normal VIN and just cut it up& swap the bed to make a ute.

AM
AM
1 month ago

How could Max Rockatansky drive his Holden panel van and his Ford Falcon all over the Nevada desert? Did he cunningly somehow get around the VIN issue or was did he do the firewall swap?

Space
Space
1 month ago
Reply to  AM

Maybe it belonged to an Australian diplomat, diplomats can drive foreign cars in the U. S. and it’s not an import.

AM
AM
1 month ago
Reply to  Space

That explains the P76 Leyland driven by the ambassador.

Martin English
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Martin English
1 month ago
Reply to  AM

A P76 would qualify under the 25 year rule (they were made from ’73 to ’75)

V8 Fairmont Longroof
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V8 Fairmont Longroof
1 month ago
Reply to  AM

You know what’s remarkable is how much Nevada looks in no way like Southern Victoria

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

Yeah not plopping down $50k for a wagon (even a super cool one) the feds could come nab at whatever time the bureaucracy finally takes notice of it…

Ian McClure
Ian McClure
1 month ago

What I’d like to know is, what’s actually involved in federalizing a car?

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian McClure

The worst part is you have to crash test several examples (clarification: as long as they were not already based on a platform already crash tested by the US.)

Last edited 1 month ago by Abdominal Snoman
*Jason*
*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian McClure

Everything a manufacturer does when they certify a new car. Crash testing, emission testing, reams of paperwork showing that everything from the headlights to the fuel hoses meet the applicable regulation.

Phuzz
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Phuzz
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian McClure

So there’s no equivalent of a kit-car type approval (“Single Vehicle Approval” in the UK)?

Car Guy - RHM
Car Guy - RHM
1 month ago

The US Ute was killed off at the demise of Pontiac but also due to the dump in the economy in 2008. GM Tech center had a number of them running around there at the time.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago

Great article! As an Aussie expat in the US (who is also about to tackle grafting a ute body to an American car) I too have long wondered this and have also engaged in conversations with a few owners of these cars asking how they’re legal. The answers I got were always murky and usually pointed to a US state registration as proof of legality. 

But as you rightly pointed out, just because a state okays it doesn’t mean the feds will, or vice versa. Years ago a former co-worker of mine imported a newer classic Mini from Japan before 25 years old, played some VIN funny business, got caught, and the car was confiscated. That’s a heck of a gamble.

InvivnI
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InvivnI
1 month ago

The other factor here is insurance. If you have an imported car of questionable legality and you crash it, could your insurer decide not to pay out because they deemed your car not legal to be on the road?

Mike Harrell
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Mike Harrell
1 month ago
Reply to  InvivnI

I prefer cars much older than the 25-year cutoff anyway but among the reasons I’m glad I’m not tempted by newer “questionable” imports is that I don’t want to find out after a collision that my coverage has been declared retroactively invalid due to charges of insurance fraud arising from misrepresentation of the vehicle. Thanks, no.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 month ago
Reply to  InvivnI

That appears to be what happened with State Farm and that Skyline in Mercedes story.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Sounds like the safest thing to do is stick with older cars if you don’t want to be left Holden the bag.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

You gotta know when to Holden.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago

As an El Camino owner, I appreciate this article. Thanks!

LarsVargas
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LarsVargas
1 month ago

So what about companies like Left Hand Utes? https://www.lefthandutes.com/

From their web site: “Our Left Hand Utes are converted by stripping the Ute to bare body. We replace the firewall and rebuild the car from components using all AMERICAN OEM parts from the Pontiac GTO, G8, or Chevy Caprice.”

So it would appear they’re doing a variation on the “naked body” exception, and using American OEM parts. The interesting thing in their FAQs is about insurance: they indicated that specialty insurance companies like Haggerty will provide insurance, but didn’t mention that mainstream insurance was readily available. I’m sure that’s for a variety of reasons, such as how does Sate Farm even know how to insure an Holden in the US. But it also points to possible legal issues from the feds.

Groover
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Groover
1 month ago
Reply to  LarsVargas

I mean, they don’t have an issue insuring Kei cars so I don’t think it’s gonna be much of an issue to insure one of these…

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
1 month ago

Sounds like it would be legal only if they were registered as a manufacturer per the NHTSA email? Do they maintain a list of manufacturers?

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago

Huh, I thought part of the the point of the firewall swap was to retain the US VIN.

Balloondoggle
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Balloondoggle
1 month ago
Reply to  LarsVargas

I don’t see the point of this. If I want a Holden, this still only gets me a GTO etc. in a Holden Ute costume.

Ppnw
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Ppnw
1 month ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

Isn’t that the same thing? The GTO etc were Holdens in costumes, so you’re just reverting the clothes.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

Those are basically the same thing. You know the GTO was built in the Holden plant in South Australia, right?

Balloondoggle
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Balloondoggle
1 month ago
Reply to  LTDScott

Nope, didn’t know that. Makes it even more pointless to me.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
1 month ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

The Pontiac GTO, G8, Chevy SS, and Caprice are all Australian built left hand drive versions of Holdens. Other than left hand drive, visually the US cars are identical to the Holdens except for minor grille and badging differences.

So if you want a late model GM ute in the US you can’t import one whole, which is why people jump through these hoops.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago

My new dream is to become obscenely rich or fleece a bunch of investors, register as a manufacturer, buy / reverse engineer an R32 skyline, and start making LHD compact utes based on that but up to modern standards.

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
1 month ago

Do not quote me as a legal expert, but I think that GM jumped through all the legal hoops to make the VX ute into a Pontiac G8 ST (including, I think the Maloo). They never actually sold any because the planned sales were for Q1 2009.

Groover
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Groover
1 month ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

That’d be VE or VE2 ute (the following gen) – those were the ones that got previewed as the G8 ST in 2009 right before the shit hit the fan and Pontiac got shut down.

The VX era ute is the VU, and they become legal in like… a few weeks – they started manufacture in December 2000.

Last edited 1 month ago by Groover
Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

It’s surprising in retrospect that they scrubbed it all rather than running with it as a GMC.

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
1 month ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Nothing about GM is really surprising.

Thancr
Thancr
1 month ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

I think Tavarish gets the explanation in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HIFALOgSxM
If it isn’t in this one it is in another. Basically, as you say, GM went through the entire certification process for Pontiac. As long as it has the same drivetrain as one that is certified then they can be brought in.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
1 month ago

I find it a little humorous that NHTSA uses the term “rims” in their official documentation.
Also, please legalize the utes in that last photo because OMG COLORS.

Last edited 1 month ago by Rad Barchetta
SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
1 month ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Why they never built these for the US market blows my mind. Given our truck obsession, they should have sold like hotcakes. I know I would have picked one up!

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
1 month ago

Booooooo

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

Me, too.

Marques Dean
Marques Dean
1 month ago

Me three.
The G8 ST was originally planned to be sold stateside by Lutz until Pontiac got killed off by the General.
There were a lot of people willing to say “shut up and take my money” for one!

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