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Is A Sedan Without A Trunk Lid A Truck? Cold Start

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I know the types of pickup trucks in our world is varied and dazzling, but I have a sort of taxonomic question. It has to do with a quite uncommon sort of what we often think of as a truck, but a truck that started life as a sedan or station wagon, and only became a truck because that sedan’s trunk has been modified a bit to be open and, ideally, have a tailgate. But not always. I guess this is a truck? Or is it a sedan with an open bed? The vehicle that got me thinking about this is the double-cab Toyota Crown pickup.

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I think these were actually built from the station wagon variants of the crown, but the shape and proportion given to them becomes extremely sedan-like. It really feels like a sedan with an open bed and a tailgate, ideal for, as you can see up top, cramming full of marble busts, making it an ideal car for those monthly bust-benders you find yourself on.

Toyota kept this basic design going with the Corona, as you can see in this video here:

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These are amazing, right? It’s not exactly a ute, which I tend to think of as a single cab, it’s not really a double-cab pickup, but it’s some blurry mix of those and sedans. In a lot of ways, they’re kind of an ideal do-anything vehicle.

The only other one of these that comes quickly to mind is the Chilean (and Argentinian) variant of the Citroën 2CV, called the Citroneta:

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As you can see there, the Citroneta was basically a 2CV re-bodied from the C-pillar back to be a sort of notchback design, with the spare tire mounted at the rear, Continental-style. They sometimes came with trunk lids, as you see in that ad up there, but very often they didn’t have the trunk lid, leaving an open bed, like what you see here:

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This is similar to the Crown/Corona in that it has a modified body – it actually looks like there were two-and four-door versions of these as well, with the ad showing a four door, and the video there a two door. From what I can tell, the two-door versions seem to be the “truck” ones, and the four-doors the sedan. The open-bed one was  targeted at farmers and other traditional truck-buying markets.

So, these are trucks, right? Or is an open-trunk sedan a thing? Should it be? Maybe I should just embrace the blurriness.

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Phantom Pedal Syndrome
Phantom Pedal Syndrome
1 year ago

In the lead photo it appears that the art thief has been busted.

Tommy Helios
Tommy Helios
1 year ago

Another example is the Brazilian vw saveiro. Basically a VW fox wagon with the back half opened up.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
1 year ago

At what point does a truck become a sedan? Does it cease to be a truck/ute/pickup/seduck once it has a trunk lid? That Citroneta has me wondering whether those lids people stick on their trucks magically convert them into sedans.

– “What do you drive?”
– “Well, I used to have a truck but now I have an F-150 sedan”

Stephen Bierce
Stephen Bierce
1 year ago

On a completely different subject: Elgin Park LIVES.
https://mymodernmet.com/anthony-schmidt-miniature-car-photography/

Phantom Pedal Syndrome
Phantom Pedal Syndrome
1 year ago
Reply to  Stephen Bierce

Yeah! That kid is pretty awesome. Here’s a good segment my local news channel did on him a while back. He even purposely “rusts” (touches up) some of the models for that aged look. Kids these days.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S141eZcMS3Q

Jb996
Jb996
1 year ago

Australia has provided the answer. This is a ute. It’s been a ute for decades. How is this even a question?

Don’t you have Lawrence from Dubbo post on here? And David spent a lifetime in Australia one winter?

It’s a ute.

Cautionary Tail-Light
Cautionary Tail-Light
1 year ago
Reply to  Jb996

It’s a ute, and yes, in Australia 4-door utes were definitely factory-available for many years.

For example the GM-Holden offering was the Crewman:

https://carsales.pxcrush.net/car/spec/hold0448.jpg

Duncan Malloch
Duncan Malloch
1 year ago

Chevrolet Avalanche.

Sedan pickup.

(mic drop)

Paul Brogger
Paul Brogger
1 year ago
Reply to  Duncan Malloch

A Stickup?

Phantom Pedal Syndrome
Phantom Pedal Syndrome
1 year ago
Reply to  Duncan Malloch

You can’t just drop mic’s like that.
That’s littering.

Pickup_Man
Pickup_Man
1 year ago

Yes. I’d agree it’s more of a Ute being car based, but anything with an open bed fits under the category of pickup in a broad sense. I’d say you should come up with some rules for a pickup Genus/Species/Sub Species thing but there are a lot of pickups out there that really blur the lines.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 year ago

I mean there’s a tailgate, so how does this differ from the Subaru Baja? Station wagon given a truck bed. I consider it a truck, just a very small one. I would also allow ute for it though.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 year ago

When it’s a Toyopet, then it’s referred to as a cute.

Soso Tsundere
Soso Tsundere
1 year ago

So it’s an El Camino that doesn’t come from the factory with a Kansas tape stuck in the 8 track and a back full of crushed Labatts cans.

A3pownot
A3pownot
1 year ago

“Ask your husband today to buy one for you”.

The empowering charm of vintage marketing speak.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
1 year ago

I mean, most of the pickup trucks you see on American roads today are being used as sedans with an open trunk. The designs above were way ahead of the times. You’d have a hard time selling them in the US today though since they can’t give off the impression of being work vehicles while shuttling the kids to sportsball and hauling a couple of grocery bags.

Sarah Bell
Sarah Bell
1 year ago

Yup, this is a crew cab short bed all day long. It just doesn’t have the Canyonero proportions of the modern ones.

Vetatur Fumare
Vetatur Fumare
1 year ago

MTX (Metalex) made four-door pickup conversions of the Skoda Forman wagon back in the 1990s. These were built in pretty small numbers except for a few sizable orders for Syria, where taxes favored these contraptions. A large number of the ones sold in Syria were then converted back into sedans by owners who didn’t want utes. Very confusing cars.

LTDScott
LTDScott
1 year ago

Nissan/Datsun had several of these over the years that they called “Utility” and added U before the model name of the same model pickup… e.g. U620 was the utility version of a Datsun 620 truck, U720 was the 720 pickup, etc.

Harris K Telemacher
Harris K Telemacher
1 year ago

Is that a still frame from a crappy Japanese heist movie where the Asian Ocean’s Eleven team is stealing some paintings and plaster busts? Or are they simply spiriting their valuables out of the city before the next Godzilla attack? Because from the documentaries I’ve seen, Godzilla attacked with frightening regularity back in the day.

Data
Data
1 year ago

Is A Sedan Without A Trunk Lid A Truck? is an important question, but the real question is “Is a hot dog a sandwich?” The answer to the former question is that it’s an El Camino.

Duke of Kent
Duke of Kent
1 year ago
Reply to  Data

El Camino, El El Camino
The front is like a car
The back is like a truck
The front is where you drive
The back is where you… OHHHH!
El Camino, El El Camino

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
1 year ago

Obviously that’s a Seduck.

Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
1 year ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

A Seduck sounds like it could be a sedan-truck or perhaps a seductive duck…

10001010
10001010
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Metcalf

All ducks think they’re seductive.

Mr. Frick
Mr. Frick
1 year ago
Reply to  10001010

Ben Aflack

Drew
Drew
1 year ago

Oh, man, gonna get into the truck/ute/pickup debate again, huh?
I’d call this a ute. It feels more carlike than a traditional pickup. I’m not going into all the BoF or capability stuff.

Let’s compromise and call it a ute pickup truck. Should piss most people off.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
1 year ago

I think Red China built knockoffs of the W123 with a similar arrangement, I believe they considered them light trucks, but they were also built on a truck chassis.

Vetatur Fumare
Vetatur Fumare
1 year ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

On the old Beijing Jeep chassis, like a lot of other things built at the time. They made knockoff 1980s Toyota Crowns, too.

Slirt
Slirt
1 year ago

Nissan had a simlar ute in the very early-70s, the Datsun U620.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
1 year ago

(searches Japanese auction sites for ‘Toyota Blackwood’)

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
1 year ago

So, a 2WD Subaru Baja without the off-road pretensions?

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 year ago

This post is written form the uniquely North American concept of “it’s not a REAL pickup unless it’s an enormous body-on-frame TRUCK”. Heck, there are still plenty of Americans who don’t think a Ridgeline or Maverick is a truck.

But in most of the rest of the world, if it has an open bed, it’s a pickup. Full stop.

Paul Brogger
Paul Brogger
1 year ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

In ‘Murrican:
“. . . it’s a pickup. Period.

V10omous
V10omous
1 year ago

These are definitely utes. A car body with a truck bed.

Mostly they have two doors, but I don’t see why that would be a requirement.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
1 year ago

I believe these are called coupes now.

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
1 year ago
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