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Mini Thinks The Only Upgrade You Need To Go Off-Roading In Your Big Hatchback Is A Set Of Tires, And Honestly That’s Probably True

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Over the past five years, the automotive sector has seen an explosion in off-road-themed vehicle trims. These models can vary from real, actual off-roaders with upgraded equipment and underbody protection to standard crossovers with some extra plastic cladding labeled as “overlanders.”

Most vehicles in this segment fall somewhere in the middle. You might typically get an extra inch of ride height, along with some off-roading tires, black plastic body cladding, and possibly a unique piece of software, such as hill descent control. Subaru’s Wilderness trims are a great example of this, as they spice up cars like the Crosstrek, Forester, and Outback to make them a tiny bit more capable with minor upgrades.

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Even Mini, the British carmaker known for its tiny hatchbacks, is starting to get into the overland game. It might be doing so in the laziest way possible, but honestly, I don’t blame them. In the real world, most of the “upgrades” you pay for in these trims aren’t actually necessary for the type of off-roading most buyers do.

Just How “Rugged” Are We Talking?

P90628014 Highres Mini Countryman Rugg (1)
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The Mini in question, released on Thursday, is called the Countryman Rugged Edition. Marketed by the company as a trim that “celebrates individuality and exploration,” it has a number of changes over the standard car to make it more appealing to “someone who lives for discovering new places, reaching new heights or pursuing new experiences.” Right.

What, exactly, are those changes? Well, most of them are purely cosmetic. There are stripes on the hood, a decal on the grille, and inside, all-weather floor mats. Buyers can also opt for either a roof-mounted storage box or a roof-mounted bicycle carrier.

P90628018 Highres Mini Countryman Rugg
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The only real change that improves the Countryman Rugged Edition’s off-roading chops is the tires. In place of the standard all-season wheel-and-tire setup is a set of 18-inch grey-painted wheels wrapped in proper all-terrain tires (General Grabber AT3s, according to BMW Blog). That’s it. No raised suspension. No underbody protection. No revised gearing. No improved approach or departure angles. Just tires.

It’s not like there’s even standard all-wheel drive, either. The Rugged Edition can be had in two trim levels: C or S. The base Countryman C gets you a 1.5-liter three-cylinder making 154 horsepower, attached to a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic sending power to the front wheels. If you want all-wheel drive, you’ll have to jump to the Countryman S, which adds an extra cylinder to the engine for 201 horsepower.

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The Rugged Edition will also be incredibly rare. Right now, it’s exclusive to the South African market, with just 100 examples set to be produced. A Mini representative told me that while the trim won’t officially be coming Stateside, the company offers the same upgrades, including the mats, the wheels, the tires, and the roof accessories, as OEM accessories. So if you’re so inclined to have a Rugged Edition of your own, you can.

I’m Actually Not Mad

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While the Countryman Rugged Edition is very obviously just a normal Countryman with some tires, rubber floor mats, and some stickers, I think its use case appeals to more people than buyers realize. If you’re the type that thinks you absolutely need stuff like a raised suspension, a low-speed transfer case, or hill descent control, you’ve obviously never gone offroading with a normal car that doesn’t have any of those things.

Let me use my experience with a similarly factory-modified vehicle as an example. Back at my old job, I got the opportunity to ride shotgun while my former colleague (and former writer for The Autopian), Patrick George, drove a Honda Passport TrailSport around a legit off-roading course in upstate New York. As a reminder, the Trailsport’s only real off-roading upgrades are a set of recovery points, some trail cameras, hill descent control, and General Grabber A/T Sport tires.

Honda Passport Trailsport
The TrailSport in question. Source: Brian Silvestro

Patrick and I were comparing the Honda against its much more well-equipped competitor, the Toyota 4Runner. And while the 4Runner made those trails look like a newly-paved highway in comparison, the Passport was, for the most part, able to keep up just fine, even on some of the crazy articulation sections. Sure, we definitely pushed the transmission to the point where it was exuding an interesting smell, and we were scraping the underbody a lot, but it never got stuck and needed to be pulled out.

My point is, normal cars can go a lot farther than you think with the right tires. Modern all-wheel drive and traction control systems are so good that, for many situations, you don’t need locking differentials or fancy disconnecting sway bars to overcome obstacles. Sure, it won’t be as easy or drama-free, but if you really commit, you likely won’t get stranded.

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Source: Mini

I suspect the people buying this Mini will think it’s good for a dirt road and nothing more. I hope at least a few of them will attempt to push the limits, because they’re probably a lot higher than they look.

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1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

After reading this article and acceptance of it being rated as off road, I accept the Mercedes Benz decision to list their new autonomous driving system as 2++ as long as they add stickers.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

Dirt roads is all most of these do anyway. Mini should be building rally editions of its cars based on its history though.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

Someone needs to fly you over to BMW world headquarters and smack the CEO upside their head while saying, “Do this!” (Tun Sie dies)

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Shooting Brake

History of being built by a different company

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

True, very true, but they still love to faff about in their marketing.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

Picture a sunny spring morning in the late 1960’s.

A family out in the country – Mom, Dad, their 3 year old boy, his dog and his teddy bear, in a 1965 Chevy II wagon, driving in the beautiful scenery of Northern California’s Gold Country.
What fun!

Dad takes a turn up a fire road on the way to some undeveloped land on a hill where Mom and Dad purchased some acreage for a future vacation home and have been picnicing for the past year. But this time, its after a big spring rainstorm and the road is much more heavily rutted than last fall. Realizing his Chevy doesn’t have the ground clearance, Dad drives with the left wheels on the center mound, and the right wheels on the side of the track.
Smart thinking Dad!

But suddenly – Oh No!
The Chevy slides sideways into the ruts and is high-centered!
Now Dad can’t make the car move – What to do?

Mom and the little boy and his dog and his teddy bear spread out their picnic on the hillside near the car and have a sandwich and a soda pop while enjoying the sunshine and the view, while Dad walks down the hill with a canteen of water to a service station to get help.

I sure hope the bears stay away!

And Gosh, those mosquitos are bitey too!

Some time later, along comes a big Dodge Power Wagon with Dad – and a nice man hooks up the the helpless Chevy to drag it back down the road to where it’s safe. Then we all drive down to the local A&W drive-in where we have burgers and fries and some Frosty Mug Root Beer!
Yay!

Maybe bigger tires would have been a good idea.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

Mini asked the question: “How many people, honestly, go offroad on more than a gravel lane?”

And the honest answer came back with “Not many, but they want to look like they can take on more”

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

So slap some decals on it

Josh Taylor
Josh Taylor
1 month ago

All the triggered off-road bros have me laughing.

Cody Pendant
Cody Pendant
1 month ago

“I hope at least a few of them will attempt to push the limits, because they’re probably a lot higher than they look.”
The car or the people?

Anthony Magagnoli
Anthony Magagnoli
1 month ago

normal cars can go a lot farther than you think with the right tires

And rental cars can be the most “capable” off-roaders 😉

Beachbumberry
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Beachbumberry
1 month ago

This is the first look I’ve had at the new mini. I don’t normally fall into the camp of poo-pooing on a design. I’ll deviate from that today. This looks awful. Not just as a mini, but as a car.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago

What I really want to see for offroading is a Suzuki Jimny with some high-clearance portal axles and some beefy rubber meats with big knobs at the corners. Why? Because the portal axle conversion crew usually focuses on the big names – like Wranglers, G-Wagens and Land Cruisers. We need a cutesy utesy with real rubicon chops.

There’s nothing offroadable about a Mini… no matter what anyone says.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Just put Mercedes behind the wheel it will do fine

Navarre
Navarre
1 month ago

I like the look of the X90 better, but this is acceptable.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

My daughter goes to a private school out in the woods of central Florida. My slammed BMW e36 does more “off-roading” to pick her up than 90% of these “overlanding” crossovers will ever do.

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago

I have never experienced heat, humidity and the general awareness that humans don’t belong in this place like when in central Florida. What was Henry Flagler thinking?

Last edited 1 month ago by VS 57
Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  VS 57

“I’m going to make so much money off those Carpet Baggers!” Henry Flagler. (more or less)

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  VS 57

There are far worse humidity places than central fla

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago

I do remember a very hung over morning in the Nashville area that seemed equally bad, and have no doubt that you are right. And I won’t take my old carcass to those places by choice.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  VS 57

He was probably thinking “at least this isn’t SE TX.” It’s effing miserable there in the summer. I don’t know how people did it in the pre-A/C days. And I also saw 22*F and sub-freezing temperatures there for several days on end. A lot of burst pipes that week.

I remember Garrison Keillor writing or narrating something about Lake Wobegon to the effect of it seeming “unfair” that some place that could be so cold in the winter could be so hot and humid in the summer.

TK-421
TK-421
1 month ago

My only comment is these things don’t seem very “Mini” anymore.

Navarre
Navarre
1 month ago
Reply to  TK-421

Maybe it means something else in German?

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
1 month ago

Well slap some A/Ts on a Smart and call me Mercedes Streeter!

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

She definitely needs to pick this self-serving comment for COTD.

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
1 month ago

I won’t pretend it wasn’t my exact strategy…

Banana Stand Money
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Banana Stand Money
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

I totally came here to say something similar!

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

Farm fields were no problem with mine, but a lift kit would have helped in winter.

Droid
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Droid
1 month ago

Mini won Dakar 2012-15, 20 & 21

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Tires are for sure the most important thing as even a Wrangler Rubicon on street tires would be hobbled.

Tow/recovery points should be mandatory on anything even pretending to want to go down a dirt road.

and finally underbody protection is a very good idea given our failing infrastructure.

Plastic cladding unnecessary.

We know that most people will not thing these accessory packages will make something off road-able but I still have to help people out in the national forest trails that think they can.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Technically a golf course is off road. I am sure mini is just trying to get seniors in Florida to buy mini for golfing and trips to the store

James McHenry
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James McHenry
1 month ago

I see the headline, and all I can think of is Mercedes Streeter’s escapades…

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 month ago
Reply to  James McHenry

My first thought too.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago

There needs to be a standardized test to be a true over lander. How having it complete Black Bear pass to Telluride?

Phil
Phil
1 month ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

Been done…in a Telluride!

Well, it made it part way and created and enormous problem when it couldn’t complete it.

https://www.wane.com/news/driver-ignores-warnings-gets-stuck-causing-colorado-mountain-pass-to-close-indefinitely/

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

Proving it’s a good test. The Telluride isn’t a good Overlander.

In my mind, an Overlander can go from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego avoiding all paved roads.

Check out The Turtle Expedition for reference.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

I think that is as likely as driving from California to Hawaii.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago

Unlikely? Possibly.
Impossible? No.

Keon R
Keon R
1 month ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

100%. Jeep says that anything with a “trail rated” badge has done the Rubicon, but the Grand Cherokee they dragged through it looked like it had been tossed off a cliff by the trail’s end.

Last edited 1 month ago by Keon R
Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago
Reply to  Keon R

I want to see pictures of this GC. 😀

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago
Reply to  Keon R

Thank you

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago
Reply to  Keon R

Thanks. It’s not as bad as I expected.

Navarre
Navarre
1 month ago
Reply to  Keon R

So, guess that modded Ariya is good then?

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

And the test should not include anything about a roof top tent.

Navarre
Navarre
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Not flipping over while carrying one seems like an important metric.

Maybe doing a sick jump with one open like the BRZ Wilderness could be bonus points?

Last edited 1 month ago by Navarre
Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Cloud Shouter

I’m thinking more of the Trans American Trail. Longer with water crossings and less dangerous off camber, hairpin turns.

Phil
Phil
1 month ago

“If you’re the type that thinks you absolutely need stuff like a raised suspension, a low-speed transfer case, or hill descent control, you’ve obviously never gone offroading with a normal car that doesn’t have any of those things”

As a 4Runner owner who owns a 4Runner precisely because he has gone “offroading” in a normal car, can I take issue with this particular sentence and the general “Passport is the thinking man’s 4Runner” brigade?

“Offroading” is a spectrum. The difficulty of a dirt road has a very wide range of possibilites. The frequency of use and desire of the owner trying to get down them has a wide range as well. If I’m just fiddling around in an offroad park and cannot choose the more difficult line, so what. Pick the easier line, I’ve lost nothing and the Passport works great. If I’m out in the real world trying to get 10-20 miles down a two-track to a campsite for the weekend and hit the same snag, well…now we’ve got issues and I’ll wish I had the 4Runner which is actually quite reasonable to drive on the highway back home. This is not an extreme example.

I think the Passport is a well-executed and appealing vehicle, and even somewhat tempting because even though I use my 4R like a 4R most of its miles are of course on pavement and the Honda is better there. But it has very real limitations compared to even a stock SR5 4runner and when they matter, they matter. And the Passport is one of the most capable CUVs. A CVT Outback or this Mini? Sorry, that first sentence I quoted above looks really silly in that context.

Finally, Patrick George’s article title is “The 2026 Honda Passport Trailsport Is An Excellent Off-Road Starting Point To Keep Up With Your Subaru Pals” SUBARU pals. Not Bronco, not 4Runner. The transmission started smelling funny, you say? Well no kidding. This is why I like the low range gearbox the Honda doesn’t have. And keep in mind this is on a course that Honda designed itself to show off to the press. They made sure they didn’t put anything on there that would embarrass the Passport. Out in the real world where Honda didn’t design the dirt road? YMMV.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

This jeep wrangler owner supports your well written post. I overland and off road at least 2 weeks and many weekends a year and I am happy with my jeep.

Josh Taylor
Josh Taylor
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

I think their point is that most people never go offroading in their offroad capable vehicle and if they do it is most likely driving down a dirt road.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Josh Taylor

Then they need a more accurate term than offroading.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Softroading comes to mind.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Gene

That is not “masculine” sounding enough for many.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

LOL! I can see that.

TheHairyNug
TheHairyNug
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

It’s a Silvestro article. He’s looking to trigger people with uncompromising takes for the clicks. An actual, well thought out discussion on the needs of off-roading is not going to be found here

Phil
Phil
1 month ago
Reply to  TheHairyNug

Noted. Should’ve spotted the trolling in the title I suppose. A bit disappointing coming from the site’s news editor. Between this and the Alanis puff piece on the Honda trailer yesterday I’m getting an idea of who to avoid.

Last edited 1 month ago by Phil
PBL
PBL
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

It’s a little unfair anyway. Mini isn’t even trying this conceit in the U.S. (at least not yet), the production run of the Rugged Edition is laughably small, and parent company BMW hasn’t pulled any “Rock Creek” or “Trail Edition” shenanigans with its pricier crossovers. At least not that I’m aware of.

The German marques seem uninterested in these offroader editions, with the exception of VW which must play with the downmarket trends and now has a Peak Edition Atlas.

LastStandard
LastStandard
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

Yeah, I had a rant ready to go but you covered most of it.

My daily is a Colorado ZR2. Do I need the ZR2 package for 80% of the driving I do, including off-road? Not really, but it’s really nice being able to head down minimum maintenance forest roads without worrying about bashing a rock into a vital point or getting stuck somewhere because my AWD or CVT overheated.

Also, I have an issue with the lifted Subaru or other “not an off-road vehicle but we threw a lift and big tires on it” crowd – just about every video of “watch me conquer this hardcore trail!!’ involves just a shitload of wheelspin and speed, and that just wrecks trails that stock 4×4 vehicles don’t have an issue making it up. I think the last one I watched had some Crosstrek modded to within an inch of it’s life, doing everything they could to scrabble up this hill that I would just put my ZR2 in 4hi and mosey up.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

So I can ski the bunny slope while ignoring the black diamond and say I am a professional skier? Sorry IMHO just having more people say it doesn’t make it true and is dangerous. This is no different than Mercedes Benz saying we have 2++ autonomous driving.

Dana 35 TTB
Dana 35 TTB
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

Driver skill has a lot to do with offroading as well. I know a guy that does overlanding type stuff in a Buick enclave, it would explode instantly rock crawling but for most people “offroading” is whenever the road is any less smooth than a gravel road. Low range is essential tho, said buick enclave once got stuck on a tiny rock, not because it was high centered but because it didn’t have the torque in reverse to back up a hill (no wheelspin, just revved and didn’t move). I’ve found that my stock and busted 93 ranger keeps up with more advanced rigs, not because it’s just as good but because there’s nowhere worth camping behind advanced trails where I live. The stock skid plates are super ugly but thicker than a trd Tacoma, amd a manual transmission is the best descent control, plus it’s already lost every cent of resale value so a little speed helps it out.

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago

When I listen to Willie Nelson’s “Countryman” disc, this is not what comes to mind.

Stef Schrader
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Stef Schrader
1 month ago

I mean, it looks neat, but still doesn’t fix the butt-turrible infotainment system. Couldn’t the BIG MEAT budget have gone there instead?

Honestly, it kind of reminds me of the Telluride X-Pro. Yeah, yeah, they did a couple extra things there, but it still felt like the main change was THEM MEATS. Some suspension tweaks specifically for THEM MEATS that would’ve made it handle better on-road would’ve been nice, y’know? Until then, like, you’ll be fine going down a gravel campground road on all-seasons. So, I’ve got big doubts as to whether this Mini’s meats are an upgrade or not. Swapping out tires is a bigger change than you might think! The regular one is…well, it’s An Car with one of the worst infotainment systems it’s ever been my misfortune to encounter in a motor vehicle.

(I still love seeing unusual cars on off-road trails, though. Throw a bent road sign over the important bits, get grippy meats and send it, Countryman owners. It’s probably fine.)

Last edited 1 month ago by Stef Schrader
Borton
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Borton
1 month ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

Maybe the infotainment circle will jiggle loose and break if you go down enough rough roads?

Stef Schrader
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Stef Schrader
1 month ago
Reply to  Borton

hahahahahaha

(it unfortunately encompasses so many controls that this would be a bad thing)

Borton
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Borton
1 month ago

I had the opportunity to drive the last generation of the Countryman through (most of) the off-road course at the BMW factory in South Carolina a couple years ago. It was surprisingly capable. They may have swapped out the tires for something more off-roady, I don’t really recall. Other than that they were stock though.

Biler er fede.
Biler er fede.
1 month ago
Reply to  Borton

My father in law abuses his BMW iX1 on forest roads and trails. The iX1 is if I’m not mistaken on the same platform as the Countryman. Better tires and a bit more clearance would help though.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago

The most important factor in how good something is off road, is how much you care if when you break it.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

That’s why my favorite offroader is a Chrysler Pacifica, Enterprise Edition.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago
Reply to  Ash78

Mine was the W-body Impala. Also Enterprise edition.

RIP sweet prince.

Maschinenbau
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Maschinenbau
1 month ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

100% true. I thought I was cool taking my lifted Suzuki with A/T tires to the local Gambler 500. I did all the tricky trails, water crossings, mud holes, etc. But also so did a $250 misfiring Ford Windstar minivan on 3 different brand tires. It just slid on its belly across every obstacle like a drunken seal. A lot of folks were humbled that day, myself included.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 month ago
Reply to  Maschinenbau

I did our local Gambler 500 in a stock ’98 Chevy (Geo) Metro. It did have a cheap used set of snow tires, but was otherwise stock. That thing was a little billy-goat offroad.

I also rallycrossed that car for a couple years. One of our events turned into a mud-bog with turns. We really should have canceled the event, but the previous three had been cancelled and this was the last of the year, so we foolishly went for it. That Metro was the only 2wd car that never needed to be towed out of the mud. It got stuck once, but I was able to rock it out.

Sad Little Boxster
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Sad Little Boxster
1 month ago
Reply to  Maschinenbau

“It just slid on its belly across every obstacle like a drunken seal.” Thank you for that…

CUlater
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CUlater
1 month ago
Reply to  Maschinenbau

Wife is looking at me oddly after I broke out laughing while we ‘watch tv together’ after reading (and visualizing): “But also so did a $250 misfiring Ford Windstar minivan on 3 different brand tires. It just slid on its belly across every obstacle like a drunken seal.”

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

I ripped the drivers side mirror off my FWD Golf on summer street tires. Damn that was expensive. It’s all paved assumed roads from now on out.

For the record I didn’t get stuck.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

It’s entirely appropriate for most CUVs that see no more offroad action than the sedan they replaced. As a note, I bumped up the sidewalls two sizes on my GR86 for the snow tires, gaining about 22mm of ground clearance because the bigger obstacle with something this low is riding up on top of the snow, taking too much weight off the tires. Cancels out the winter gas mileage penalty, too, with about a 7% taller FD ratio.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

When I first got into offroading and of course wanted to buy all the cool stuff, I got a good primer from the experienced guys in my Jeep club. Tires and recovery points are the most important things and you can do a lot with just that and a good friend or two. From there, protection- skid plates and bumpers, then traction if you start getting more hardcore.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Exactly, Tires, tow points, armor and experience and a buddy to pull you out!

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

I guess if your idea of “off road” is a gravel parking lot, this is entirely adequate.

But let’s face it, this is a cosplay costume. Fools and their money…

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

The point is that *most* “offroad packages” are exactly that

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

I find delusions of butchness highly entertaining. Either buy something with *actual* offroad ability if you need that, or buy a damned proper car for the road that isn’t compromised by those delusions of butchness. Those “off road” tires are loud and have relatively lousy grip on the pavement on which you will be spending the vast majority of your time, while hurting economy. And if you try to do more “off roading” than any normal car can handle you are inevitably going to break something expensive. Concerning smells from the transmission are fine in a car that belongs to an automaker, not you.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

But what of the Safari crowd? Won’t you think of the Safari crowd!

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Gene

I mean, if you NEED the capability, you need it. I own a very capable body-on-frame SUV because I used to tow a 7500lb boat with it and I used it multiple times a summer to get up what is laughably referred to as the “driveway” of my extended family’s lakeside hunting camp in the mountains of Western Maine. For which you need an ACTUAL 4×4, (and if it’s been raining you had best have a winch or another truck with a winch along too), otherwise it’s on foot or by 4wheeler. It’s a 5-mile trail through the Maine woods. I’ve never gotten my Rovers or the previous Jeep GC stuck up there, but my relatives with big-ass pickups sure have. Getting a high-centered 4dr truck out even with a winch is no fun at all. But those fools actually go up there to go hunting when the trail is less than nice. You *might* be able to get something like a Forester up there in the summer, but I wouldn’t want to try it.

I just realized you probably mean silliness like jacked up Miatas on off-road tires. Or Hoovie’s expensively jacked up Porsche Turbo that he ruined AFTER he had it sold. Yeah, I don’t get that at all.

Last edited 1 month ago by Kevin Rhodes
Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

You get the joke. 🙂

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  Gene

It took a minute, but I did. 🙂

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Buzz
1 month ago

Purpose-engineered tires make a big difference when they are suited for the environment you are in. My wife’s VW feels like a sure-footed mountain goat when it is wearing snow tires, and ATs give you the same kind of confidence in the dirt and mud when stacked against all seasons. I see this as exactly the right amount of upgrade for the kind of driving these Minis are ever likely to do.

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