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We’ll Send You A Prize If You Help Us Out By Sending A Car-Tip That Becomes A Viral Article

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The Autopian is always looking to dig into great stories happening around the car world — and we’d love your help finding those. Whether it’s happening in your neighborhood, or whether you’re seeing cool stuff on Reddit, car forums, Twitter, Facebook, or your local paper, we’d love you to send us tips/ideas so we can investigate. It’s one of the best ways (other than membership) that you can support this site; here are some guidelines for the types of tips we’d love to receive from you.

Tips have always been a huge way that journalists find some of their greatest stories. Someone will send an email about something they saw on some car forum, or something happening in their own life, and a journalist will use that as a starting point to dig further. Sometimes the tips are about deep investigative pieces, and sometimes they’re just about some cool car build someone found on some random forum. Big and small, tips are a huge help for us here at The Autopian, a small outfit that is always trying to improve its efficiency.

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Types of great tips (which we’d love you to send to tips@theautopian.com) include:

Great Human-Interest Stories

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This is our priority: Human-interest pieces. If you’ve seen someone doing something cool — again, either locally or on an internet page that you frequent — please let us know. Stories about people are among our favorites, so if please keep us in mind as you browse the web these days!

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A few examples of stories we’d love to dig into: people building insanely-engineered cars, people getting involved in controversies (HOA stories are the classic), people showing their expertise on some weird and fascinating car feature we didn’t know existed, people finding rare cars in improbable places — just anything interesting involving people.

NEWS

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Anytime we can be first to news, it’s a huge help for us. If you learn about something new, whether it’s via a primary source (which is gold) or via your local news channel, send it our way! If it’s already on other big sites, chances are, we’ve seen it, but stuff you’ve learned about in your own circle could be great things for us to dig into further and share with the broader community.

Leaks Of New Cars, Like This:

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This was a tip from a friend, who saw these photos from an anonymous photographer. We love to show our readers new things.

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Weird Cars You’ve Found

 

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This incredible 1990 Ford Tempo for sale on Facebook Marketplace was emailed to us by a reader.

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This tip came from my friend Jamie, who actually took the photos above of those rustbuckets in Michigan.

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I’m not sure that Camaro/Jeep/S10 came from a tipster, but someone did later Tweet it out to me, so to whoever that was: Thank you!

Quirky History Stuff

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If you’re a weirdo like us, browsing through old car magazines and newspaper clippings and brochures, I bet you happen upon some strange stuff, like the in-car hotdog sizzler shown above. Send that kind of thing our way!

If you send us a tip to tips@theautopian.com, and that tip yields an article that brings gangbusters pageviews, we’ll even send you a prize as a thank-you! And the most-read tip-based story of the year will get a special prize.

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Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin
6 days ago

I just emailed in some article ideas. As a ham and GMRS radio nerd, I think there’s fascinating crossover between radios and cars (both historically and present day) to explore.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
8 days ago

I can’t believe nobody has made a “just the tip” joke yet.

Scaled29
Scaled29
8 days ago

It might not be that interesting to most people, but I like to think most Autopians are open minded to new, car related things! So I think a story or a little series about trucks/big rigs might be cool.

Not the “boring” stuff, although there are surely people who find every part interesting, but the quirky smart solutions that make them so incredibly efficient and brilliant. Maybe it could make more people think twice about trucks, and make them not just see them as big vehicles for transport.

Plus I have acquired a little bank of information, albeit about European trucks. Anyway, could be cool!

Bram Oude Elberink
Bram Oude Elberink
8 days ago

I have sent an email with a tip around two weeks ago. I have no idea if you read the mail, if it is a good or a bid tip for you. Is it possible to follow up on the email? Could be as simple as a reply that you received the tip in good order. That way we readers know that our efforts at least have not been only for the spambox.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago

Here’s a tip: Anyone want a 4WD, drop side A/C equipped 1996 Suzuki Carry Kei truck for $2500?

https://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/d/crows-landing-1996-suzuki-carry-with-c/7805884239.html

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Missing title.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

On a car this old and infrequently used I don’t think a missing title is a deal breaker. A hassle yes but not a deal breaker:

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/htvr-10/

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago

How did the wheel that kept Paul Newman from winning LeMans end up in the back of the VW Thing that’s in my yard? And did the drug smugglers that won really use nitrous oxide and what’s it all have to do with Apple and Steve Jobs?

That sort of thing?

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
5 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Yes, please. That sort of thing.

Vee
Vee
8 days ago

I’ve had an idea about the design divergence/convergence cycle between European and American cars rolling about in my head for years. I’ve even got notes somewhere about the different eras and categories and how they lead into the current CUV hellscape we find ourselves in.

It would be enough for at least three articles covering the major periods.

Emma P
Emma P
8 days ago

I used to have a mini van of that vintage in almost that colour (although it was so bad it was powdering off) and now I miss it more again.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
8 days ago

I wrote an article early on for the autopian that was on the AP transmissions used in BL products because it’s just weird. Work/classes/family life got away from me and I never got to tweak it to the quality that this site consistently publishes. I’d love to share my notes and see someone dig into it!

B P
B P
8 days ago

I keep sending the Autopian tiktok account interesting videos, haven’t seen a response, but hopefully someone sees them. 😉

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago

I saw a kei vehicle today in a small town doing a grocery run. What information do you want require for a story?

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago

God have I not only an article but an entire segment.
As your family and friends acknowledge you as the car guy in the family how do you handle the requests for help vs having your free time away?
For example my sister asked me the other day if I wanted to celebrate Thanksgiving with her because she didn’t want to be alone. I am fine being alone and cooking her a thanksgiving meal when I cooked a turkey for myself was not a fun answer. So today she called and asked if I could pick her daughter up and bring her to her mom’s for Thanksgiving because her daughters car only works when her daughter needs something. Well that is 2 hours to pick her up and drop her off, then another 2 hours to pick her up and take her home. How do you people deal with requests to provide everything car related when you just want to stay home and master your craft.

Manuel Verissimo
Manuel Verissimo
8 days ago

“No”

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
8 days ago

Someone told me a while ago that “ ‘No’ is a complete sentence,” and I honestly think about that three times a week.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago

This.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago

I used to live in Manhattan with a pickup truck, and at the end of the month there would so many people who wanted me to help them move that I made a point to be upstate visiting a friend’s estate at the end of every month. Eventually I just gave him the truck. Problem solved.

Toecutter
Toecutter
9 days ago

Casey Putsch’s 100+ mpg sports car, the Omega. 0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds with a 1.9L TDI engine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8jH1LIDHqk

He has a large number of videos on this to dive into.

Please give this man his due. Interview him if you must.

I don’t match his political alignment, but otherwise he is definitely speaking my language when it comes to cars and the politics surrounding what gets built. Unlike me, he actually got to achieve a dream of building and completing an efficient sports car from scratch, a dream I had since I was a teenager and decades before I knew this guy existed.

This car demonstrates what is actually possible with old technology, nevermind what exists today. I disagree with him that diesel is a better solution than EVs, BUT I definitely agree with him that modern EVs contradict their justification for implementation and agree that his efficient diesel car is a more sustainable/more efficient car than any mainstream new EV you can currently buy.

An Omega sports car made into an EV would probably get a solid 250-300 mile range @ 70 mph with a tiny 35 kWh pack. City range would be closer to 150 miles. Consider how inexpensive that would be to produce, along with the performance potential, if you have a modern 500+ horsepower EV drive system in it with the car weighing in around 1,800 lbs.

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
9 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I watched that the last time you brought him up. Very impressive, Thank You.
In retrospect, what I liked most about his, your, early GM concepts, is that there is no connectivity, software defined BS, and can be easily serviced and repaired. If you can’t do that, it’s not sustainable. I’m firmly of the mindset-whatever you connect is corruptible. Not a fan of how government incentives have worked even back in the late nineties when I benefited indirectly. A much better plan properly vetted is needed.

Toecutter
Toecutter
8 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

is that there is no connectivity, software defined BS, and can be easily serviced and repaired. If you can’t do that, it’s not sustainable.

I’ve always said that a properly designed car built with ecological sustainability in mind, if maintained properly, would be something a college kid could buy new as a daily, repair it as needed with a basic set of tools, have readily available and inexpensive replacement parts all over the Earth, use it until they’re old, and eventually hand it to their grandkids as a daily reliable enough to take a cross-USA trip on a whim without significant risk of mechanical failure.

It can be done. Mercedes built cars like this in the 1980s. But since they were luxury cars and loaded with crap, they weren’t exactly affordable. Hondas and Toyotas of that era got more than halfway there, and were much more mass produced, so honorable mention to them as well. We need an inexpensive, efficient electric car built with this ethos in the present day.

With EVs, by eliminating the ICE, this should be so much easier to do. The main thing is making the battery pack easily accessed, repaired, and/or replaced, with no software lockouts to repairs. EVs open up the possibility to average or even low-end cars regularly lasting 1,000,000+ miles and 3+ decades, without significant added expense incurred in their design or production.

But the current offerings are designed not to be economically repaired, on purpose. For all of its tech fetishist BS, Tesla is IMO the least egregious offender on this metric of the current mass market OEMs… At least their cars are built to last. Stay the hell away from anything electric from Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes, VW, or Stellantis as well as GMs/Fords electric SUV’s/CUV’s/trucks if you value your money and sanity. In 25 years, I predict there will be about as many of these still operational as a percentage of cars sold as the Nissan Altra. What a massive waste of non-renewable resources.

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
8 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

The industry was founded on ease of service and repair! Not only were the first examples hand built by machinists in garages, when Ford introduced the assembly line, it necessitated interchangeable parts, and model Ts were essentially the most modular vehicles ever made. My dad’s family was friends with a farmer that owned a Packard that they would fabricate any needed replacements for, just as they were equipped to do for any of their machinery.
The unethical, illogical, just bad stewardship of the planet, throwaway society is a relatively recent perversion.

CarSick
CarSick
8 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Thank you for this! I would love it if this level of sustainability would be adopted! I did get 25 years from my XJ (take that, Big Auto! — and passed it on to another permaculture couple who have multiple Jeeps, with the tools and skills to keep them going), but this is next level and it really needs to happen. It just makes sense.

And throw in some cool kit car body options to change up the look and style as the years go by, for those who want that. Make it practical AND fun.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago
Reply to  CarSick

25 years from a XJ is pretty impressive. Oh you’re talking about the other company that starts with the letter J , not Jaguar.
Well still impressive.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“It can be done. Mercedes built cars like this in the 1980s. But since they were luxury cars and loaded with crap, they weren’t exactly affordable”

Well they sure are now. So point that college kid to Craigslist. Lots of Volvos, Buicks, Toyotas, Hondas, Acuras, Lexus, Saturns, Fords there too that with a bit of love can keep going for many more decades. A bit of flexibility on the aesthetics goes a long way towards savings.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Well a 1980s Mercedes looks much better than anything from this century.
Miss my 123.

Here is an idea for more of an Autopian Asks feature: “What new or used car would you buy if you had to maintain and daily drive it for the next 20 years, and why?” I’d like something with no more technology than side airbags, which seem like a good idea. Model As will probably keep running forever, but maybe they are too primitive. A Mercedes 123 might be the sweet spot, or a RWD Volvo. Vendor longevity is certainly an issue. Some companies do new runs of obsolete parts because it’s the right thing to do and they make money from the owners or their old cars, some companies see owners of paid off out of warranty cars as the enemy.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

That’s easy. 7th gen Accord, K24A3 with a timing chain and 5M (or AT depending on your preference). Much better agility than the V6 but still has plenty enough power, it’s easy enough to work on, parts are cheap, its quiet, its comfortable, its reliable and it has side air bags.

Bonus points: Swap the stock radio with an aftermaket 12″ vertical Carney touchscreen. If that’s not your thing there are modules which add in a 3.5mm or Bluetooth input to the stock radio.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Hmm, interesting.
Thanks.

Toecutter
Toecutter
8 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

“What new or used car would you buy if you had to maintain and daily drive it for the next 20 years, and why?”

1st gen Honda Insight with manual transmission. When the battery goes, either EV conversion, or K20 swap that shit. Barring an accident or fire, that body will basically last forever.

The car is also among the most efficient regarding CdA and mass that you can currently buy that isn’t six figures or more. Honorable mentions: Saab 96, pre-wedge Saab Sonett

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“Barring an accident or fire, that body will basically last forever.”

But will it? Aluminum fatigues much more than steel.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

If you use enough material, fatigue is not an issue. The aluminum suspension on my trike has lasted 80k miles and 7 years thus far, going over bad roads in all weather conditions. It was a low-volume $1,100 custom job designed by the Canadian mechanical engineer Adam Roy, specific to a KMX trike frame with 3rd generation spindles. He overbuilt it. The Honda Insight is also similarly overbuilt, at least with regard to its body.

I currently have that trike apart. I need to re-design the steel spindles to handle more force from the deep potholes I encounter. I already had a spindle failure in 2022 from hitting a 7″ pothole at 40 mph on a state highway, and that was NOT COOL in traffic. I also may have to drill out the suspension axle inserts to accommodate thicker axles. I modified it to accept 12mm Cotter pin axles, but the math says they will fail if I hit a deep pothole at 70 mph.

It’s going to have all wheel drive and hopefully enough acceleration to mess with supercars. The goal is to be able to troll the local hood Hellcats that drive around unregistered without tags or plates(as an anarchist, I’m all for it). There will be lots of clowning to be done when it’s ready.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“I need to re-design the steel spindles to handle more force from the deep potholes I encounter.”

“The goal is to be able to troll the local hood Hellcats that drive around unregistered without tags or plates(as an anarchist, I’m all for it).”

The problem with anarchy and not paying registration fees is that means no funding and no organization to fix the potholes. For that matter no traffic lights, no signs, no rules, no enforcement at all except “might makes right”. That ultimately means bigger, heavier guns and/or armor or stay home (till it follows you there).

I don’t think that’s a good idea.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

The problem with anarchy and not paying registration fees is that means no funding and no organization to fix the potholes.

The money people are being taxed, under the justification that it will be allocated for that purpose, isn’t going to fixing these potholes. And I’ve encountered multiple traffic lights that have simply stopped working, at dangerous intersections near interstate highways no less. You know it’s bad when a Nigerian immigrant you know makes fun of your infrastructure.

Around here, we still use lead pipes from the 1800s to carry tap water and paper/graphite-insulated 4kV conductor from the same era run underground for electricity…

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

All true to a point. Where I live roads many roads have been repaved within the past 5 years* but before that yeah, it was a problem. Potholes were bad enough I blew out two tires, bent two rims and busted two shocks on one pothole. I found out that once the city is aware of the problem they become liable until its fixed and this was clearly an old hole so I filed a claim with the city and to my surprise was reimbursed. The adjuster told me my claim had been reasonable (I replaced the shocks myself) and exceptionally well documented but most such claims are so clearly inflated and poorly supported they are denied.

Pro tip: Figure out how to pad a bit anyway as the tax burden of the reimbursement is dumped onto you as well. That’s something I wishing had known.

Something else, I’ve been to a few city meetings and seen the public in action. City meetings aren’t as bad as school board meetings but both draw out the grandstanding, fringe need demanding nut jobs. Attending a city meeting and not screaming about nonsense but instead asking about when the potholes will get fixed might even be a breath of fresh air to the council. Even better if you do your homework of how to present your argument such that they can’t say no. Like cumulative liability for the damage they cause. Of course YMMV on that argument.

*Traffic lights tend to get fixed too. That doesn’t stop some folks from ignoring them though. The nasty habit of one to three cars after red has really grown in the last couple of years.)

Toecutter
Toecutter
8 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I paid $1,200 for my first Mercedes 300 SDL. It had over 200,000 miles on it. Because there weren’t many of them around, parts were horrendously expensive. But every time I had to fix something on that car, what was fixed was as good as new.

That car saw lots of backroad hooning a 100+ mph. Hundreds of hours of it. Mechanically, it did not fail. It also saw lots of cross USA driving for my job.

Electrical issues, vacuum issues. and unobtanium/obscenely expensive parts are what relegated it to parts car status when I bought a nicer example of the same car for $4,000, 4 years later. Were parts affordable and widely available, I’d have fixed it up instead of buying another.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Can I interest you in Grandma’s Buick with a 3800? Also comes with
legendary reliability but less unobtanium/$$$ parts.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I tried to find such a car when I needed one, but almost none were around at the time. I found many that were neglected with lots of problems though. I did find a really sweet low-mileage well-kept Buick Riviera with a supercharged 3800 for $2,500, but someone bought it 15 minutes before I got a chance to bring the money over.

What sold me on the Benz was the turbodiesel engine. I put a Frybrid kit in that shit and saved many thousands of dollars in fuel on long distance trips for my job by using grease taken from restaurants, while getting reimbursed the IRS mileage rate from my employer(now my trikes and ebike fill that role). I still used my bicycle for errands and commutes at the time. The Benz was driven on average about 3x a month, almost exclusively on trips longer than 50 miles.

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Drew
Drew
9 days ago

Probably won’t be a viral article, but did you hear about the dropped Lambo here in Boise? It was a couple blocks from my house and dealing with it went well into the night. I happened to drive by while they had the car dangling from a crane. And by happened, I mean I got nosy and circled the block to see what was going on from a better angle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boise/comments/1gxo3q6/oops_dropped_your_lambo/

CSRoad
CSRoad
9 days ago

Tip of the day:
Make imported NATO gas cans pour again.
It takes more than photoshop.

https://www.amazon.ca/VALPRO-Long-Nose-Flexible-Nozzle-Military/dp/B081HZGDDD

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago
Reply to  CSRoad

Connection to an ad. Warning

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
8 days ago

CSRoad is a real reader. 🙂
That aside…Holy crap, is that spout $76!?

Edit: Oh, $76 Canadian, that’s like $6 here in the States. 😛

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CSRoad
CSRoad
8 days ago

Thanks Mercedes.
I don’t think I paid that much for mine, but demand is there and the Canadian $ is weak .
I think there is some requirement somewhere in the US about gas can safety. So if you have one with the spout installed and it falls over it doesn’t go glub, glub, glub.
It’s like that Seinfeld episode with the black market full flow shower heads.
The new gas can spouts suck at being a device to pour gasoline in a fuel tank.
I’m not sure what the Law says or where it originates (California maybe), but the products I’ve been recently exposed to are severely compromised.
The steel Jerrycan the greatest gas can of all brought to its knees by a “safety” spout.

Cerberus
Cerberus
8 days ago
Reply to  CSRoad

It started as a joke, but I’m now starting to believe that at least for the last couple decades, most “safety” measures are largely about control: keep the people frustrated and angry at stupid, small things while you pillage the country around them and convince them somebody else is doing it. Too much in a state of annoyance, their minds aren’t engaged enough to question. People born into this smothering form of babysitting, become accustomed and even comforted by it, and knowing nothing else, they readily adopt the BS stories about the safety being all about their protection and are even thankful for it. The false safety is readily identified by its aggravation factor being high, likely interfering greatly with the very purpose of the affected object with what it is meant to protect against being a highly unlikely event or very small risk, perhaps with minimal repercussions for its failure. The other way to tell is that it is the safety feature itself is highly ineffective at its task and probably completely unnecessary if an operator has the slightest amount of awareness and uses even a bit of care.

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

Safety regs are written in blood, even the blood of the drunk, clueless and stupid.

Cerberus
Cerberus
8 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I think that used to be true and I’ve often used that expression, but not as often today and many of these newer regulations today are anti-safe in practice or seem aimed more at other purposes with safety as the doublespeak excuse, at best chasing the most marginal cases in exchange for a large increase in the annoyance factor, which also reduces any efficacy such measures may have been designed for when people defeat them out of frustration. Working on stuff that puts dust or chemical particles into the air, yeah, I’m wearing a high end filter mask. Hot with high humidity? I’m just taking more breaks. Table saw (or similar) safety practices and equipment, yeah, I’m using them even when it takes more time, is less convenient, and I’m an impatient person. Need electrical work done in the house, I’m calling an expert. I’ll swear about it all, but I’ll use them.

Before I go on another rant about active “safety” systems in cars, there’s the subject here: ventless “safety” gas cans that cause more spillages in use with every operation to only ostensibly protect dumbasses who keep them in small enclosed spaces who should suffer the consequences, but are really more about reducing HC emissions when ambient storage temperature is raised (but hopefully not too much as there’s no damn vent to relieve overpressure), when spillages also generate HC emissions, the old fashioned ones had vents for actual safety (except in the case of the dummies), required fewer resources to make, and weren’t thrown out in frustration by operators. I’d posit these cans are far more effective in causing aggravation than they are in helping the environment and I wouldn’t think potentially saving a few careless dumbasses from themselves is a worthy undertaking even if it weren’t a Sisyphean task as they find new ways to take themselves out. When we were hunter-gatherers, we needed a certain percentage of the population to be stupid enough that we could use them to check out new animals or try out new novel foods or ways of preparation for the sake of the greater good. These people still exist, but we eliminated their purpose, which can’t be good for their self esteem, as nearly everyone wants to feel useful.
“Well, Oglus died after eating these mushrooms, so I guess these are poisonous.”
“Yeah, that was a pretty gross way to go. People will be sure to remember that”
“Too, bad, we’re running low on food.”
“Yeah . . . say, what if we try cooking them first? Maybe the heat will eliminate what makes them deadly.”
“Hm, yeah, where’s Bill?”
“He’s over in the waste pile picking undigested nut husks out of the shit.”
“Good, throw a few of these mushrooms over the fire and get him.”

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

“When we were hunter-gatherers, we needed a certain percentage of the population to be stupid enough that we could use them to check out new animals or try out new novel foods or ways of preparation for the sake of the greater good. These people still exist, but we eliminated their purpose, which can’t be good for their self esteem, as nearly everyone wants to feel useful”

Oh I’m sure the armies of the world can always find a use for cannon fodder. Meantime tune in for another hilarious episode of OW MY BALLS!!

“Good, throw a few of these mushrooms over the fire and get him.”

If Bill survives that he’ll LOVE reindeer piss:

https://andy-letcher.blogspot.com/2011/09/taking-piss-reindeers-and-fly-agaric.html

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

This sick society uses people with 120+ IQs as cannon fodder, and lets rich people with 90 IQs make all the big decisions and write the rules everyone is expected to abide by for their own personal gain, damned be the consequences. Laws are currently written, purchased with an expected return on investment.

Idiocracy would be an improvement over what we have today. Mike Judge is a prophet, none-the-less.

Hunter-gatherers only had to work 5-20 hours a week to meet sustenance needs. In spite of all of the productivity gains allowed by modern technology, there are modern Americans working 80 hours a week that cannot do the same. The surplus value generated went to the aristocracy that has been a feature of “society” since the Neolithic period.

I say this as an electrical engineer currently making 6 figures, who for years, modern capitalism found the best use of my capabilities as washing dishes at a restaurant for minimum wage. There’s something wrong there, and it’s not me(I diligently tried to find work in my field, while employers were complaining they needed to bring in foreigners because they couldn’t find people like me while I either was ignored, or given lowball offers in the range of $12-16/hr for $40+/hr work). In retrospect, I should have said “screw it” and been the local crack dealer. At least I’d have provided a product people wanted!

If you have children, make sure that you look out for their future. My parents sure as hell didn’t!

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“I say this as an electrical engineer currently making 6 figures, who for years, modern capitalism found the best use of my capabilities as washing dishes at a restaurant for minimum wage.”

You have experienced lower lows, but also Higher highs than myself. I am glad you never took the low road to ruin, and would miss your contributions. Hope your future continues to improve.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

Ruin finds you, even if you don’t take the low road. I’ve seen it happen to too many good, responsible, and otherwise industrious and conscientious people. It has been my observation that in this “society”, economic privilege and connections to such privilege matters most when it comes to success, not hard work, intellect, creativity, or any of the identity politics traits of race/gender/sexuality(white privilege only exists for white people who come from privilege, which I’ll admit, I had SOME, but not enough to make a difference for the better in my life). I missed many opportunities that I knew would have made me a millionaire in short order, for lack of start-up capital to pursue them at the time. I’m in a much better place now and on the lookout for opportunities, but they aren’t as obvious as the ones I saw 20 years ago. Things are much more weird today, than they probably have ever been, which represents a lot of opportunity for massive gains, but it’s also a high risk gamble to anyone without connections/insider knowledge.

Things are currently the way they are because the moneyed and self-anointed “masters of the universe” want things to be this way. They especially hate competition from people smarter and more creative than themselves. And it’s a total crapsack world for your average Joe and Jane Sixpack today. They have no chance. This is even reflected in the cars that are available for purchase, the vast majority of which are disposable commodities designed to eat away the contents of your wallet.

Strange times we are living in.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

I share many of your views, but don’t allow myself to internalize destructive influences that are outside of my ability to change. Call out injustice and BS, don’t eat it.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

You don’t have to eat it. It eats you.

I’m fortunate that I managed to avoid being swallowed, and I’m optimistic that I won’t end up back in that position for the foreseeable future. But I had many close calls. There’s 200+ million Americans that are truly hurting right now with no hope and no future that aren’t going to thrive no matter what they do. Losers are built into the system. For many, their vehicles are a net drain, but simultaneously required to participate in society. Not everyone can do what I did to avoid those expenses.

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

This sick society uses people with 120+ IQs as cannon fodder, and lets rich people with 90 IQs make all the big decisions and write the rules everyone is expected to abide by for their own personal gain, damned be the consequences. Laws are currently written, purchased with an expected return on investment.

Counterpoint:

This perfect society lets rich people with 90 IQs make all the big decisions and generates enough people with 120+ IQs to be expendables. It even convinces some of them to willingly participate in their own destruction.

It also lets those rich folk write the rules everyone is expected to abide by for their own personal gain, damned be the consequences. Laws are currently written, purchased with an expected return on investment.

Utopisa/dystopia really depends on your perspective.

Still if one takes this criticism at face value maybe its more a reflection on the flaws of “IQ” than the flaws of “society”. After all smart people should be able to outsmart dumb people right?

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

The laws are currently written in a way that if you are born on or near the bottom of the socio-economic hierarchy and follow them, you generally will not get ahead, because you’ll never have the money to do what is needed to advance. For a person born into this situation, “outsmarting” their inferiors means figuring out ways to make more money than one could working a normal job, using methods that may not be legal, and not getting caught in the process. In which case, favorable circumstance(luck) matters more than intelligence. There are a lot of intelligent people in prison, and not solely because of their own screw ups, many of them there who have harmed no one but are there because the state claims itself the “victim”.

IQ is certainly a flawed measure. I only used it as a reference. Consider how stupid the average American is, then consider that half the population is even less intelligent. Then consider that the average American is being ruled over by their inferiors within the political class, inferiors who got the requisite head start to get there because of Daddy’s money.

You can’t outsmart violence or the threat thereof directed at you to force compliance with the laws written by the corporations who have bribed the political class to pass them, when such violence or the threat thereof comes your way. It’s do what you’re told, or men with guns will come to take your stuff and lock you in a cage, and kill you if you refuse to cooperate. And you have an “impartial” court system that will overwhelmingly side with them, and penalize you further with contempt if you question its supposed “impartiality”.

I think John B. Calhoun’s “Mouse Utopia” is a more accurate reflection of what is actually going on in the current society on the macro scale. Except the mice didn’t have to deal with an aristocracy of parasites gatekeeping everything they needed to live and maximizing the value extracted from their labor on top of it. The mice didn’t have to work themselves out of a living an actual life, go into crippling debt for the “privilege” of advancing themselves, and put any and all dreams on hold indefinitely just to meet the lower two rungs of Maslow’s hierarchy.

There once was a time where humans could provide for themselves the basics needed for sustenance with their own two hands, without permits and inspections required, and all of the fees, taxes, insurance, and middlemen grifters that come with it. They used to be able to build a home with a few days/weeks/months worth of work. It may not have had any of the bells and whistles modern homes have, but the human didn’t have to spend 30 years of their life working for someone else to pay it off with generous interest payments to the ruling class made along the way, either, assuming they are lucky enough to have the money to be able to “buy” and not endlessly rent. And don’t get me started on property taxes. You’re not even allowed to live in the woods or even the desert for free anymore(although that doesn’t stop people from trying, eg. Slab City).

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

There once was a time where humans could provide for themselves the basics needed for sustenance with their own two hands, without permits and inspections required, and all of the fees, taxes, insurance, and middlemen grifters that come with it.

True and not true. I’ve lived in some of those old skool handmade houses (17-1800s) as well as seen much, much older versions (Viking era) of those houses in living museums on the original site. The ones that aren’t actual tents (e.g. teepees, yurts) are a step up from living in a tent. The only advantage to the non tents is somewhat better insulation and they tend not to blow down but they are also not mobile like a tent. Mobility has advantages like going south for the winter.

First off they are TINY. They have no plumbing, no electricity, no window glass or plastic, maybe a dirt floor and are so, so smokey from the open fire used for heating and cooking. Which is a problem because they are also firetraps. They offer no opportunity for refrigeration other than the weather and durable food is prone to pests so food is a problem.

Part of the time you saved building that house is spent emptying the honey buckets, usually as close by as possible so the stench is really something. You also get to pump and carry water by hand which SUUCCCKKKSSS and not just because of the work involved. Wells can run dry and become infected with disease thanks to the abundance of wildlife, farm life and your own honey bucket waste. Flies are EVERYWHERE. Because this was in Sweden and because heating at the time these houses were built was very expensive laborwise the ceilings were lower than my adult height. I was constantly banging my head on the beams. Not fun. Wintertime would have been even less fun had electric heating not been installed at some point. At least the windows had glass – old, single paned glass but glass. Had these houses been as original I’d have spent all my time chopping wood, repairing weather and animal damage, building fires and cooking food in a hearth. Which is fun exactly once. I’d have had to make paint too, paint which needs more maintenance than modern latex paints. And laundry is by hand too.

All that work adds up.

Having been intimately involved in the reconstruction of a house and having seen the cost saving measures taken on others I am a firm conceptual believer in building codes and permits. Conceptual in that I see the value in them when they are used properly. I’ve seen too many dangerous “shortcuts” taken even by people who should have known better. Conceptual in that permits and codes can also be weaponized by fearmongering NIMBYS and profit seekers.

but the human didn’t have to spend 30 years of their life working for someone else to pay it off with generous interest payments to the ruling class made along the way, either, assuming they are lucky enough to have the money to be able to “buy” and not endlessly rent.

There are plenty of people doing just that in the SFBA. If there is a street big enough for a RV there is usually a clapped out RV ensconced on it, sometimes with a pile of filled black tank honey buckets awaiting disposal. There are also plenty of tents along the creeks and walking paths as well as piles of garbage. There is no garbage service for folks who don’t pay for it. Responsibility for removal of that RV and tent city garbage is passed onto taxpayers:

https://sanjosespotlight.com/silicon-valley-water-agency-addresses-impact-of-homelessness/

I’d have a lot more enthusiasm for your argument if this weren’t the case.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Having been intimately involved in the reconstruction of a house and having seen the cost saving measures taken on others I am a firm conceptual believer in building codes and permits. Conceptual in that I see the value in them when they are used properly. I’ve seen too many dangerous “shortcuts” taken even by people who should have known better. Conceptual in that permits and codes can also be weaponized by fearmongering NIMBYS and profit seekers.

NIMBYS. That’s the thing. I’ve looked at some rural land, far from the nearest town, for cheap. The problem is, the $20,000-50,000-ish plots of land I can currently comfortably buy outright will require me to spend $250,000+ to be allowed to live on it(and constantly increasing with inflation). It’s now common to see minimum square footage requirements of 2,000+ on a concrete foundation, hookups to municipal water/sewer/gas and power grid all at your own expense, no solar panels or DIY wind turbines allowed, plus HOA fees, when your nearest neighbors are half a mile away.

There’s no valid reason for this crap. This is abuse of the law. And it’s almost everywhere. I don’t need or want a damned McMansion.

I’d be content to live in a tent, bicycle camper, or RV while building a permanent 600-ish square foot home similar to the slightly larger one I grew up in, except instead of having bills, there’d be off-grid solar, a well for water, composting toilet and/or outhouse, and keep my bills down so that I might be able to retire in my 40s and finally pursue what I’m passionate about, but increasingly a modest form of living isn’t allowed. No one would be making money off of me. I’d have almost no bills and my property taxes would be so low I wouldn’t need a job.

But the NIMBYS want to force you to build a McMansion to keep their property values high, or get herded into a ghetto somewhere so they can’t see you, or rent from them so they get a bigger pile of money to die on, or do without shelter altogether(and get endlessly punished or harassed for it as if it’s a moral failing to be poor).

I learned my lesson with student loans and I’m sick of debt. I paid multiples in interest the original principal taken out. Never again.

The law as it is currently written in most places is about maximizing extraction of your hard-earned money and diverting it to well-connected people and corporations. That is why most Americans are in debt and struggling check to check, while the rich keep getting ever richer. Not everyone living beyond their means is doing so willingly. They’re being forced to, under color of law. And they’re being crushed under an economic model and taxation model that demands endless growth, on a planet of finite natural resources. This paradigm is currently propped up by debt, but mathematically, it cannot last forever.

Which is why I brought up the mouse utopia in another post. Younger people aren’t having kids because all of these damned rules are one of the factors making it unbearably expensive. It’s bad enough that single well-off people are struggling, even when they’re minimalists. But people that need reliable cars, and a roof over their head near their job, are increasingly being priced out of it altogether, no matter how many hours they work. So they sign on that dotted line… as paying these things in full would take a literal lifetime of saving. And in the meantime, they hope and pray they never experience a layoff or a medical event.

There are plenty of people doing just that in the SFBA. If there is a street big enough for a RV there is usually a clapped out RV ensconced on it, sometimes with a pile of filled black tank honey buckets awaiting disposal. There are also plenty of tents along the creeks and walking paths as well as piles of garbage. There is no garbage service for folks who don’t pay for it. Responsibility for removal of that RV and tent city garbage is passed onto taxpayers:

Those people are literally given no other options, besides the street or camping out in a bando(been there, done that). You may be surprised at the number of them which are employed in what are considered good paying jobs. I know a teacher in Seattle who rents an RV parked on the street, because his salary still prices him out of a basic apartment once the student loans are garnished from his check. He has no running water, and no functioning shower or toilet. Just electricity, which he runs a generator to provide via a battery bank. He does have a 2001 Toyota Corolla at least, but the expense of insurance alone has him contemplating getting rid of it(do consider how much of that insurance he is paying is going to profit margin, just to further enrich a few C-Suite assholes that have bought the insurance laws). He’s hoping to have the student loans paid off in 5 years, living like this. Then maybe in another 10 he’ll have a down payment for a house, although this probably isn’t a sustainable plan, and if he manages to pull it off he’ll be in his 60s by then. The “reward” for a life of endless toil.

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BeemerBob
BeemerBob
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

In my day, the term was Good Old Boys Network. It wasn’t what you knew, it was who you knew. I guess recently, it’s been called Networking. It has always been this way. As far as making money, my best advice is to invest in the stock market no matter how little you’ve got. I had a blue collar job (with a college degree) making less than national average income. My only entertainment was my motorcycle. I worked night shift so I didn’t have a social life. No family. Stuck excess money into Dow Jones Index Fund. After 20 years was able to retire at 55. Won’t be on the dole rest of my life.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cerberus

“Well, Oglus died after eating these mushrooms, so I guess these are poisonous.”

“Yeah, that was a pretty gross way to go. People will be sure to remember that”

“Too, bad, we’re running low on food.”

“Yeah . . . say, what if we try cooking them first? Maybe the heat will eliminate what makes them deadly.”

“Hm, yeah, where’s Bill?”

“He’s over in the waste pile picking undigested nut husks out of the shit.”

“Good, throw a few of these mushrooms over the fire and get him.”

This was good.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I’m all for letting Darwin’s theories applied in the real world sort it out. Let drunk, stupid, and clueless people do their thing, without government intervention. Beyond a certain threshold, safety regulations and more laws only make things more difficult, time-consuming, and expen$ive for everyone else on the whole, mostly due to already wealthy grifters inserting themselves via statute as intermediaries on the take, feeling entitled to everyone else’s time and money. There’s also diminishing returns.

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Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“Let drunk, stupid, and clueless people do their thing, without government intervention.”

That sounds suspiciously like a “muh freedums!” argument.

So where is the line supposed to be drawn? IMO there is already way too much rope being allowed to the drunk, stupid and clueless. As it is I see too much speeding, too much blatant red light and stop sign running, etc with no repercussions. Any idiot can drive a rented/”borrowed” massive RV or Uhaul truck or a 700 HP Hellcat or a 80’s Porsche 930 or Mustang or a F&F tribute on any public road in the land filled with other people with nothing more than a standard drivers licence…if that. That kind of drunk, stupid, and clueless tends to end up affecting non drunk, stupid, and clueless people who get in the way.

When drunk, stupid, and clueless threatens the safety of me and mine I have every right to demand the taxes I pay do something about it via government intervention. Yes there is a balance to achieve, neither of us want a full on police state but I sure AF don’t want anarchy either.

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Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

As it is I see too much speeding, too much blatant red light and stop sign running, etc with no repercussions. Any idiot can drive a rented/”borrowed” massive RV or Uhaul truck or a 700 HP Hellcat or a 80’s Porsche 930 or Mustang or a F&F tribute on any public road in the land filled with other people with nothing more than a standard drivers licence…if that. That kind of drunk, stupid, and clueless tends to end up affecting non drunk, stupid, and clueless people who get in the way.

Risk to life is the nature of living on his planet unfortunately. The laws that already exist neither stop these things nor are they structured in a way to provide incentive to be followed on the whole. Society, especially those lower on the socio-economic hierarchy, are gradually giving up on them altogether, with good reason.

I almost got creamed by a Pontiac Grand-Am running a red light last year. The law would not have saved me. That thing between my ears coupled with the requisite stimuli that comes with paying attention to my surroundings did. I’m well aware that it can’t always.

On the macro scale, these laws are being used to maximize extraction of money/time from people, not just the accused, but also those forced to pay taxes. There’s no shortage of innocent people accused of these crimes either, and that gets dreadfully expensive, and even life ruining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7dWEL0Puq4

Further, a drivers’ license does not ensure a basic degree of competency behind the wheel of a multi-ton missile. It assures someone paid the requisite fees and taxes, and had themselves inserted into a biometric database to be tracked and controlled for a variety of purposes outside the use of a motor vehicle(as well as information sold and exchanged with corporations, foreign governments, intelligence agencies, ect), thanks to the REAL ID Act. Lots of licensed Boobus Americanus driving 100% fully legal, insured, and registered vehicles while texting, hopped up on legal prescription brain-altering meds, and sometimes literally demented. But someone without a license or insurance, operating in an otherwise conscientious and safe manner, will go to jail when caught by law enforcement, while these people won’t even when they hit little Timmy on his bike after they pony up the debt for a lawyer to get them out of it.

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

“Boobus Americanus” is good to hear from you! I was concerned you didn’t have enough yin for your yang. Not that I subscribe to such, just like the way it sounds. I didn’t want to respond to you in trite levity if you were in a serious depression.
Fortunately I have songs, and movie quotes pop to mind whenever I get bummed out. Hope this lifts the mood.
“Life’s a piece of shit, when you look at it”
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

Stay off the Highway to Hell. Anarchy and Kaos ?
Have you learned nothing from Batman and Get Smart?

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Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

If anything, I learned in “The Dark Knight” that the Joker was not the villain.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Yikes, man, only trying to give you a chuckle.
Boobus Americanus”  gave me one.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

I must not be very funny.

They say that dark humor is like a kid with cancer. It never grows old. 🙂

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
5 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Risk to life is the nature of living on his planet unfortunately. The laws that already exist neither stop these things nor are they structured in a way to provide incentive to be followed on the whole.

Because that would require living in a police state which is a deal breaker. How do you punish people with nothing to lose? Prison only makes things worse. Fines are pointless if those people have no way to pay them. Community service might be an option for some but that is a hardship to those working multiple jobs to scrape by.

I suppose one way to punish chronic traffic law violators with nothing to lose could be with an annoying electronic nag that also logs violations in a prosecutable manner and calls the cops to intervene when necessary. Even speeding by 1 MPH triggers the alarm which calls the cops if 5 minutes of nagging does not result in compliance. This is similar to proposals already in play in various states on all new cars. A run red light/stop sign gets called out with a minute of nagging and every additional violation adds an additional minute. No music is allowed at volumes that might drown out the nag, and even then only music that does not promote aggressiveness. Any attempt to disable the nag causes it to literally and figuratively blow the whistle at the driver like a bad car alarm.

Punishment would consist of traffic school in which the data is reviewed and the driver must defend their actions else and unless there was a VERY good reason for the violation be subjected to a lecture on why what they did was wrong and why they should feel bad about it.

The driver would have the opportunity to declare an emergency in which case emergency services are immediately notified to render assistance and the driver has to later prove the emergency as genuine. And no, needing a bathroom nor being late to something does not count.

Of course the vehicle would also only be allowed if it meets all applicable safety/noise/emissions requirements. Any modifications to these systems must be proven to be in compliance. This isn’t much of an ask since everyone has to do that anyway but the penalties here are more severe. Violations mean the car is electronically restricted to travel back and forth to prearranged service centers a limited number of times until it’s fixed.

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago

Well I guess the old Jerry cans won’t fit unleaded tanks. Hadn’t thought of that.

BeemerBob
BeemerBob
5 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Just take along one of those $10 plastic kerosene siphons. You don’t break your back trying to lift 5 gallon jerrycan, you don’t splash fuel all over the side of your vehicle, and you know that gas is going into your tank.

Parsko
Parsko
9 days ago

I submitted one today, actually. I think it might be the 3rd or 4th time I’ve “called the tip line”.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago
Reply to  Parsko

I always used tips@autopian.com not that I ever got a story written but I did get a response sometimes

Parsko
Parsko
8 days ago

you know what, I may have sent it to: tips@thenewsite.com

Aww shit.

Abdominal Snoman
Abdominal Snoman
9 days ago

“The Cake is a lie”

Gerry M Shill
Gerry M Shill
9 days ago

ALWAYS CHECK RPOs WHEN BUYING USED CARS!!!! 99.9% of people don’t know that OEMs put RPO stickers on vehicles or what an RPO is. Please buyers, make sure you know what you’re buying.

Buzz
Buzz
9 days ago
Reply to  Gerry M Shill

What does the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra have to do with used cars?

Gerry M Shill
Gerry M Shill
8 days ago
Reply to  Buzz

Those guys are hack frauds. Check out buffalo philharmonic orchestra

NewBalanceExtraWide
NewBalanceExtraWide
9 days ago

Tips. It’s not just Spit spelled backwards.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
9 days ago

For some reason this offer reminds me of that chick I met in the bar one night.

Despite her offer of a “prize”, I did not send her a picture of my wang…

Toecutter
Toecutter
9 days ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

The NSA is harvesting everything, including your dick pics.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Yes but do they have the time to blow up the picture?

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
8 days ago

I need to take two pictures. It’s that big. lol

getstoney VII
getstoney VII
9 days ago

What about all my Cadillac society tips I’ve sent?

At least two of them have been mildly interesting 😉

JurassicComanche25
JurassicComanche25
9 days ago

Time to scour even more web forums!

V10omous
V10omous
9 days ago

And the most-read tip-based story of the year will get a special prize.

You’re not getting rid of the Aztec that easily, buddy.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
9 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

I think that’s the prize for least helpful tip. It’s motivation.

Adrian Clarke
Adrian Clarke
9 days ago

They can’t get rid of it until they’ve flown me over to drive it, for another ‘force Adrian to eat his words’ article.

Scone Muncher
Scone Muncher
9 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Insist on Business Class. For the article!

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
9 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Goth Auto Designer Dies in Aztec Unintended Acceleration Incident

Adrian Clarke
Adrian Clarke
9 days ago

You usually get the epitaph you deserve.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

But why do I think his should be written in hieroglyphics?

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
9 days ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Sorry it isn’t a Goth vehicle so you are out.

Adrian Clarke
Adrian Clarke
9 days ago

Yes but this is business not pleasure.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
8 days ago

What is the most anti-goth car? The Aztec might be close…

Hugh Crawford
Hugh Crawford
8 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

I drive by the Happy Cars every day, I had no idea.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xockztsBBQeyFJzm6

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
8 days ago

Most anti-goth car: VW Golf Harlequin.

They should have made a VW Goth Harlequin. Same car, but every panel is a different shade of black.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
8 days ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

“It’s so … black!” said Ford Prefect, “you can hardly make out its shape … light just seems to fall into it!”

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

OMG Becky, look at its BUTT!!

Cheap Bastard
Cheap Bastard
8 days ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Who needs VW? Any Goth with a few rattlecans can do that.

Hell they might even get away with just different sheens of clearcoat.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
7 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

The first time I resprayed a car it was supposed to be matte black, but through some combination of inexperience and incompetence I managed to make the leading edge of the hood gloss, fading to matte over the first 12”. It was a cool effect I’ve never been able to replicate.

For a while my MX5 was satin black with bare carbon front fenders and huge gloss black sponsor’s logos. And a gloss white hood, mostly as a reaction against all the matte black hoods that were happening at the time.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
Amberturnsignalsarebetter
8 days ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

I think most ‘black’ cars made by British Leyland looked like this after a couple of years in the sun.

Toecutter
Toecutter
5 days ago

What is the most anti-goth car

Chevrolet Traverse, beige paint, beige interior

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
6 days ago
Reply to  V10omous

I figured it would be shower spaghetti leftovers

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