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Projects You Can Drive Home: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass vs 1971 Dodge Van

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Welcome back! Today we’re looking at two older vehicles that you can actually, you know, drive. I mean, they’re not perfect, but not having to call a tow truck to bring home a new car is a wonderful thing. Yes, I know, most people take that for granted. They shouldn’t.

Yesterday, we looked at an overweight Mustang that hasn’t run in years and a big ol’ Lincoln with no brakes. There was just no stopping that Lincoln anyway; it ran away with the vote. I have to agree; I don’t dislike that era of Mustang, but for four grand it had better run and drive, and be rust-free. I think someone saw old car prices climbing and is trying to cash in.

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Besides, that old Lincoln is just so cool. Too cool for me to pull off, I think; you’d have to be a bass player in a rockabilly band or something to do that car justice. I’m pretty sure you could fit a stand-up bass in that back seat.

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All right. As promised, today we’re sticking with pre-smog-test cars, but both of today’s contestants run and drive. One needs a tiny bit of work before it’s ready for a long journey, but nothing a good backyard mechanic couldn’t handle in an afternoon. Let’s check them out.

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1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Holiday Sedan – $3,200

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Engine/drivetrain: 350 cubic inch overhead valve V8, three-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Everett, WA

Odometer reading: 48,000 miles (probably rolled over)

Operational status: Runs and drives well

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FIrst, let me preface this by saying that this is another one I may get a few tiny details wrong on. Oldsmobile offered no fewer than seven body styles of Cutlass in 1970, with multiple trim levels for each one, for a total of fifteen different combinations. You had your base-model F85, your Cutlass S, your 4-4-2, which came with a 455 cubic inch “Rocket” V8, and your top-of-the-line Cutlass Supreme, which came with sour cream and diced tomatoes. Then you had your Sports Coupe, your Holiday Coupe, your Town Sedan, your Holiday Sedan – it just went on and on. This is definitely a Holiday Sedan, since it’s a four-door hardtop, and I think it’s an S model, not a Supreme like the ad says, based on reference photos I found. But it’s hard to find reference photos of four-door cars from this era online; most folks want the coupes.

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Like probably the vast majority of 1970 Cutlasses, this one is equipped with a 350 cubic inch version of Olds’s Rocket V8, with a two-barrel carb and an automatic transmission. It runs and drives well, according to the seller, but that’s all the information we get. I note that it does not have power brakes or air conditioning, more indications that it isn’t a Cutlass Supreme. It could even have drum brakes in front. That’s the scary part of cars from this era; they were really good at going, but stopping and turning were not their forte.

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The beige paint outside isn’t too exciting, but inside it’s a nice dark green. Once again we’re reminded that cars used to be available with a much wider array of color options, both inside and out. The driver’s seat is covered in a sheet, which doesn’t bode well for its condition, but new reproduction upholstery is available if it needs it.  And the rest of it looks all right.

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Outside, it’s the color of oatmeal, but it’s straight and more or less rust-free. All the trim pieces, even the wheel covers, are present and accounted for. Maybe that 48,000 miles is accurate after all.

1971 Dodge Sportsman 100 Van – $2,000

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Engine/drivetrain: 225 cubic inch overhead valve inline 6, three-speed manual, RWD

Location: Kennewick, WA

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Odometer reading: 190,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives great, but has recent damage to the oil pan

Vans are funny things. Some are unbelievably cool, some are creepy, some are tacky as hell, some are just noble workhorses. The cool factor can be hard to define, but I think this old Dodge has it. It’s an early Dodge B-series, which were good-looking vans anyway, and it’s the short-wheelbase model, which is always cooler than the longer variants. Those cop-car-style steelies and dog-dish hubcaps help a lot, too.

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Powering this little blue box is a legend: the 225 cubic inch Slant Six, backed by a three-on-the-tree manual. It was rebuilt at 100,000 miles, and purrs like a kitten, but the seller’s elderly father recently dented the oil pan on a rock. It has been parked since the incident, probably out of fear of a damaged oil pickup. It makes sense. As long as it’s making good oil pressure, everything is probably all right, but pulling the pan and replacing it, and inspecting the oil pickup and pump, isn’t a bad idea.

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Sportsman vans had windows, and usually rear seats, as opposed to Tradesman vans, which were panel vans with nothing in back. We only get the one photo of the interior, and I can see that the rear is trimmed out, but I don’t know if there are seats back there or not. The seller does say it would make an “awesome” camper van, so my guess is that if it had rear seats, it doesn’t now.

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Outside, it looks pretty straight and clean, but the primer on the roof is a little worrying, One photo in the ad is from when the seller bought the van seven years ago, and that photo doesn’t show the primer. I worry that there is rust on the roof, and it has been “repaired” somehow.

Finding a car this age that runs and drives is no mean feat, let alone finding two of them. But here they are, a hardtop sedan and a shorty van, both with legendary engines. Which one is more your speed?

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(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)

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Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
2 months ago

“…not having to call a tow truck to bring home a new car is a wonderful thing.”

True. I prefer to haul them home myself with a trailer but, in this imperfect world, circumstances don’t always work out that way.

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
2 months ago

I’ll take the van and save $1200. The Cutlass is pretty damn boring and for $3200 no way.. The van could be used to haul stuff, people, camp, etc. . I would want to look under the engine and closer at the roof, windshield and rocker panel. Probably ok but I don’t want a rusty surprise.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
2 months ago

Can work with the van. That Cutlass in beige just looks like overcooked meat. Veal Cutlass?

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
2 months ago

The Dajiban is neat, but we’ll take the crew-cab Cutlass. The Holiday four-door hardtop is especially handsome, and I’d ditch that raggedy bench for buckets and a console anyway.

Cyko9
Cyko9
2 months ago

The Cutlass is fine, but it’s not really interesting enough to get my vote. For a 4-door sedan of that era, I’d probably go for something else (probably a wagon). The Dodge van is pretty tired, but I like it.

Tim Cougar
Tim Cougar
2 months ago
Reply to  Cyko9

It’s not a 4-door sedan, it’s a 4-door hardtop – no B-pillar! That automatically makes it cooler and more interesting than a sedan. I’d readily give it a home.

Andreas8088
Andreas8088
2 months ago

and your top-of-the-line Cutlass Supreme, which came with sour cream and diced tomatoes

That legitimately made me snarf the water I was drinking.
Thank you for that.

Jimal
Jimal
2 months ago

Of the two, I feel much more nostalgic for the Van than the Cutlass. My grandparents owned a ’71 Dodge van-based Class B motorhome, complete with a blue cab interior. The rust thinly veiled under primer in certain places give me pause, but not that much pause.

IRegertNothing, Esq.
IRegertNothing, Esq.
2 months ago

I’m pleasantly surprised that the van is winning. I was expecting to find my vote getting buried by votes for the Cutlass. Both have their merits, but the enthusiast street cred you would get from rolling around in an old van with the leaning tower of power and a manual column shift is off the charts. So awesome. As for the exposed primer, I’d paint this van the same way I would a chicken coop. With a bucket, a brush, and no fucks given about the finish.

Clark B
Clark B
2 months ago

I’ve always wanted a big old American barge, so Cutlass for me please. Some cleaning, polishing, and a bit of reupholstery could make it a nice driver without throwing too much money at it. For some reason, those Dodge vans never did anything for me and I’ve never had much of a desire to own one.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
2 months ago

This is a tough one, because I really like them both. I went for the Cutlass, because I’ll be in less trouble with my wife if I drag that one home.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark Tucker

Honestly, if the Buick was completely put back together, and we had another garage spot, she’d probably be fine with it. Alas, neither is the case.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
2 months ago

I’m going to go with th Olds. Both are cool, but pulling that straight-6 to replace the oil pan and inspect the bottom end is an absolute pain in the rear.

Stig's Cousin
Stig's Cousin
2 months ago

Both are good options, but I’m going with the Oldsmobile. I love the styling of that car. This car could look decent with a good cleaning. I would also reupholster the front seat since the interior otherwise looks to be in good condition. Otherwise, I would drive it as is.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
2 months ago

The van just has so many possibilities. The Cutlass is a gigantic old sedan, which is fine but… yeah it’s fine.

Van please.

Tim Cougar
Tim Cougar
2 months ago

Midsize, actually. The 88s and the 98, those were gigantic.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
2 months ago
Reply to  Tim Cougar

Haha, yeah for the era. But it’s just about the exact same length as a modern minivan (which are not so mini) so I still put it in the realm of gigantic.

88s and 98s were basically continents on wheels.

AlterId
AlterId
2 months ago

My mom had a ’76 Olds Custom Cruiser. Fiat 128s would orbit it whenever she went out.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
2 months ago

I have been a cutlass fan and this one in in driver quality condition. Can fix as you go if you wish.

DubblewhopperInDubblejeopardy
DubblewhopperInDubblejeopardy
2 months ago

The van….shag carpeting, 30 speaker sound system to drown out all those Taylor Swift fans with Slayer. A Tempurpedic mattress might fit too.

A. Barth
A. Barth
2 months ago

Van, please!

It is, as Mr. Clarkson would say, an van. It’s a little filthy but suitable for doing van things. I like a slant six and a three-on-the-tree, so that’s an easy choice.

Interestingly, the van and the garage appear to color-matched. The third pic in the CL ad shows this pretty well: the blue on the van looks the same as the trim on the garage door, and the off-white on the front bumper/push bar looks the same as the garage siding.

The right front tire is flat, so maybe grandpa also dented the wheel when he hit the boulder.

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
2 months ago

I really wanted that van, but I’m gonna have to put AC in whichever one I get, and I think it would be way easier to do that on the Olds.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

But the van has a great big fan on the dash, no AC required.

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
2 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I am jonesing for some big fan van action.

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
2 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I christen the great big air-mover Jean-Claude Van Fan

StillNotATony
StillNotATony
2 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

I am a man who appreciates a big fan in a van, but AC cools like no big fan in a van can, so that would have to be part of the plan.

AlterId
AlterId
2 months ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Same here w/r/t the AC. I was hoping the Cutlass had it, but there aren’t any dash vents. (Yeah, I get that it never got hot in Seattle back then, but air conditioning dehumidifies as well as cools, and buyers could afford it back when everyone within fifty miles of Puget Sound who wasn’t a Boeing executive had a union job on their assembly line.)

For the Dodge, I’d just go with the house-on-wheels theme with a high-capacity electrical system and battery and a hellacious mini-split or two.

Robert Skeen
Robert Skeen
2 months ago

I always wish that there were a BOTH or NEITHER choice.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
2 months ago

Picking than van solely for the 3-on-the-tree manual, which I’ve never driven. Someday…

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

I have had 2 three on the tree. After 15 mph you are in top gear and just leave it alone.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
2 months ago
Reply to  Arrest-me Red

Ha! Sounds like the 4 speed (really 3 speed with Low) in my F-250.

If I ever get to do it, I hope I do it right. In something like a Citroen DS with a 5 speed!

Icouldntfindaclevername
Icouldntfindaclevername
2 months ago

Cutless: Is that a bullet hole in the rear passenger door? Plus the rockers have to be rusted out.
I’ll take the blue van this time.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
2 months ago

I had a ’72 Cutlass just like this one, only it was a lower trim and was a post body instead of a hardtop. It’s the only car I’ve ever owned that lit all 3 idiot lights at once (oil, volt, temp) and yet kept on running.
So out of nostalgia, I’ll vote for the Cutty.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
2 months ago

Can we talk about why the barn is crooked?

10001010
10001010
2 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

I think the van is crooked, if you look at the 5th image in the ad it looks like both right tires are completely flat.

Rad Barchetta
Rad Barchetta
2 months ago
Reply to  10001010

You’re right. What a weird way to photograph it.
“Maybe they won’t notice”

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark Tucker

Damn, I didn’t see it either. Good spot, Rad!

EastbayLoc
EastbayLoc
2 months ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Noticed that. Thought van or barn might be on a hill.

FloridaNative
FloridaNative
2 months ago

I almost went with the van until the rust and shoddy repairs. So, I’m just gonna sit this one out.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
2 months ago

The van definitely has some janky rust repair. Zoom in on the top of the a-pillar in the second pic and you can see some of it. But it’s cheap, and the Cutlass has too many doors.

Justin Short
Justin Short
2 months ago

If you look closely you can see a bench seat in the van.

Mechjaz
Mechjaz
2 months ago
Reply to  Justin Short

If our time with a Dodge Ram van as the family truckster (I’m thinking it was around a ’90) is any indication, any fabric seats will have you wishing for the gentle caress of burlap by comparison.

Shop-Teacher
Shop-Teacher
2 months ago
Reply to  Mechjaz

LOL!

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