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Should I Save This Rare Aussie-Built Dodge, Or Gut It?

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It’s good to have goals. They give you direction, something to work towards, and a point of focus when you’re deep in the process and are starting to feel a bit lost in it all.

Setting goals was very important in the restoration of my 1974 Valiant Charger. The journey from tear-down to the car returning to the road ended up taking six years, plus an additional two years to finally get the engine I had always envisioned installed and running: a hotted-up 265-ci “Hemi” inline six with triple 45mm DCOE Weber carburetors. 

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Charger Rotisserie

Just about all the decisions with that car ran to the template I had drawn up prior to tear-down. Restoring the body with custom touches such as deleting the panel seams in the rear, mechanical upgrades, tidying the engine bay by tucking the wiring away, even the interior specifications … all were laid out in advance.

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This helped me keep focus during the seemingly endless evenings after work, where I would spend hours at the sandblasting cabinet or at the workbench reassembling components. Step by step, the project was completed. And now, I have a few new automotive goals to accomplish in the next few years: 

  • A 1960/70s four-door sedan for comfortable, air-conditioned long-distance trips with friends to events.
  • A later-model panel van (probably an XH) that I intend to set up for interstate trips with Bek that’s comfortable enough to sleep in between country towns. I’m no 4×4 masochist enthusiast and Bek’s not a great fan of camping.

Getting back to the sedan, I want it to be V8-powered because, whilst I have helped work on mate’s cars with V8s, I have not actually owned anything V8 yet and figure I ought to own something with a nice 8-cylinder rumble before it gets too expensive one way or another.

I want a solid, comfortable cruiser with air conditioning and a good interior that friends would want to sit in for more than an hour or two. Although the Charger is comfortable enough, being a coupe with a low rear roofline it gets a bit cramped and claustrophobic for any rear-seat passengers on a drive longer than an hour or so. I’m not looking to spend anywhere near the money I’ve put into the Charger, but I’m happy to put some money into what I think will achieve the goal.

I’m after something from the 1960s or 70s because that’s the era I default to, and know most of the potential candidates from that era are capable of relaxed cruising at 110kmh (68mph). 

As much as Bek and I love the wild styling of 50s cars, many of the local versions use suspension designs from before WWII and are less inclined to cruise at higher speeds, either due to gearing or directional stability.

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One particular case in point: I was looking into the Australian-only 1957-63 Chrysler Royal. It was ticking many of the boxes in terms of a good factory drivetrain (many had the Chrysler 313 ci ‘A’ or ‘Poly’ V8), nice interior, and unique styling.

I then discovered that under that Forward Look-alike front and rear treatment they were a Plymouth P-25 platform which dated back to 1951 and featured an even older suspension design, a system from the 1930s that runs on king pins as opposed to the torsion-bar suspension which was starting to come into Chrysler’s North America products in that era.

Without driving one, I couldn’t know for sure if it would have a tendency to wander at speed, but the age of the suspension design didn’t inspire confidence and I’m not interested in blowing the budget on hot-rodding a different front end into the vehicle as I want it to comply with NSW Historic Registration.  This car isn’t likely to see heavy usage, being that there’s four other cars registered in my name already!

Some of you may be shocked that I, an aficionado of all things 1960s/70s and especially Mopar, have yet to own anything with what in the USA is likely considered the default option for a domestic vehicle from that era: a V8. 

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A big factor in this path would be the P-Plate vehicle laws that came into effect just as I started driving. With anything 8-cylinder being off the table, even if it had less power than a modern Corolla, this definitely turned my attention to six-cylinder engines, especially the Chrysler ‘Hemi’ inline-six. This engine offered as much horsepower and torque than many of the smaller V8s available in 70s Holdens and Fords, yet was legal for me to drive.

From there I progressed to some turbocharged Japanese vehicles, and any subsequent Valiant was still Hemi-six powered because they gave me enough performance for a classic car to get up to speed on highways and pass trucks, plus I know the engine design intimately.

To further my V8-cruising-sedan goal, I’ve kept an eye out for suitable sedans and any listing for old-school V8 engines that could be good candidates for my plans.

A Possible Candidate?

My job has me on the road several days a week visiting farms, and just before Easter I spotted this on the side of the road, not far from Bathurst:

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A 1963 Dodge Phoenix!

These cars were assembled by Chrysler Australia as four-door sedans only, via Complete-Knocked-Down (CKD) kits sent over from Detroit to compete in the fullsize senior-sedan market against other CKD competitors from Ford (Fairlane, Galaxie) and GM-Holden (Chevrolet Impala, Pontiac Laurentian/Parisienne).

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While the main action at the time in the sales race was focused on the midsize family car segment with Holden up against the Ford Falcon, Chrysler Valiant and also-rans from what became British Leyland such as the Austin Freeway, there was a sizable market amongst the chauffeur-driven set and well-heeled rural people for a larger, more comfortable and luxuriously-appointed vehicle than the mainstream models could offer in even their highest trim levels. This was reflected in the advertising, with later Phoenixes touted as the car for the successful businessman.

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In some of the period advertising for this segment, it’s obvious that they just lifted the American brochures and manipulated the images so that the steering wheel was on the right-hand side:

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For quite some time, this was also one of the few ways to get an American V8 in Australia, as the post-war midsize segment didn’t start receiving anything other than inline-sixes until 1965 with the AP6 Valiant, with Ford following in the XR Falcon in 1966 and Holden having to wait until 1968 with the HK series.

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Because they came in CKD-form, these vehicles followed the US trend of changing the styling annually, something that the mid-size segment in the country only received slowly and often with dramatic styling changes only occurring maybe twice in a decade during the 1950s and 60s. 

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The Dodge Phoenix and their GM/Ford competitors were taken off the market in the early 70s, as the Falcon-based Fairlane/LTD, Holden Statesman and Chrysler by Chrysler took over the segment and offered similar luxury in a slightly smaller body but with a longer wheelbase than the family sedans upon which they were based, and at a lower price point and in greater volume than the full-size CKD kit-assembled models.

This ‘63 Phoenix is based on what in the US would be known as the Dodge 330/440/Polara 500, which had some popularity as a police vehicle and as the ‘Max Wedge’ big-block V8s in 2-door form with that were purpose-built for drag racing. 

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Aussie Phoenixes from ’60 to ’64 all came with the 318 cubic-inch ‘Poly’ V8 and push-button 727 “Torqueflite” three-speed automatic.

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This vehicle is on the Chrysler B-body platform, also shared with the likes of the Plymouth Road Runner and the first three generations of the Dodge Charger. From 1965-onwards, the Aussie Phoenix was based on the Plymouth Fury III which was on the C-body platform and had available the 383 ci “B” V8, the only time these engines were offered in Australia.

Sales of these niche market vehicles were small even by Australian standards, with 1963 Dodge Phoenix production estimated at 1,020 as per Great Ideas in Motion II by Gavin Farmer which, from what I could find online, appears to be on par with the Ford and GM competition in this segment for a possible market of maybe 4,000 units per year, compared with over 256,000 midsize Holdens in the ‘EH’ series sold from 1963 to 1965.

One cool fact I uncovered when I was reading up on the Aussie Dodge Phoenix: there was a ‘63 model that raced in the ‘67 Bathurst 500! Already nearly four years old, it was bought by a privateer outfit and driven by Lindsay Derriman and Barry Sharp for Johnny Barnard.

Reportedly, the only race preparation was to pop off the factory hubcaps and set up the push-button Torqueflite to be able to pre-select a down-shift to second gear to help preserve the front drum brakes at the end of Conrod Straight.

The Phoenix appears briefly in the ‘67 Bathurst highlights, after a spinout:

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The Dodge raced in Class E for cars over $4,500 and managed to finish 19th of 48 cars, competing against Alfa Romeo 1600 GTVs and beating the only other automatic in the race which was an XR Falcon V8 piloted by the Victorian Police Motorsports Club. Curiously, a Studebaker Lark managed to take 11th place!

The owner came out and offered to fire the car up, lifting the long bonnet to reveal a 318 cubic-inch Chrysler “LA” V8. The engine fired up immediately and sounded great!

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He then told me that the vehicle used to be a charity-rally car, mainly for Variety Bashes over in Western Australia.

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This explained the faded sticker remains on the yellow paint, roll cage, off road tires, aftermarket gauges, and the myriad of switches on the dash, as well as the bullbar inside the cabin that was once mounted to the front of the vehicle.

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I didn’t take much of a look over the body, spending more of the quickly-dwindling light checking over the engine and asking questions about the drivetrain.

When I enquired about the price, the answer I received was about worth it for the engine and transmission alone!

I rang Bek and discussed it on the drive home, then contacted the seller a day or two later and a plan was hatched to deliver the cash and pick up the vehicle on Easter Monday. I was able to drive the yellow machine onto my trailer with no issues apart from the brakes not working, so the engine was shut off once the car was up the ramps and we rolled it to the proper position.

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Once I got home, put some fuel down the carburetor throat and the V8 spurred into life. The Chrysler 727 Torqueflite (which had been manualized with a B&M ratchet shifter) got into gear smoothly, and with some careful planning around the lack of brakes, my latest purchase was driven into the shed without incident. 

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A quick look over the exterior revealed that the car had been to New Zealand at the dawn of the millennium:

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Now up on the hoist, a clearer picture started to emerge of the big Dodge:

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The front valance was largely conceptual, and there were patches-upon-patches in the floor:

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There were signs of the rally life, such as the thick bash plate that protected the engine and transmission, the reinforcing done to the 8 ¾” differential, and a spare tire mount welded in where the fuel tank was originally placed.

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The rear suspension was interesting, with ten leaf springs per side! Were they smuggling moonshine?

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Speaking of fuel tanks, it was now in the boot. The filler neck is located on the panel between the rear window and bootlid, which makes for an awkward stretch on a vehicle that’s nearly 2 metres (78in) wide!

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I started to investigate what had happened to the braking system to render it non-functional, and came across this:

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It was clear that this big Dodge had been built with care to survive rallies, and subsequent work was either field-repairs or performed by someone other than the builder with less skill and/or patience.

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There is definitely some bad rust hiding under all the black paint on the firewall:

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If we take a look at this older video from Steve Magnante (get well soon!) we can see some of the differences with the dash and other small details in the US version:

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In many ways, all of the Big Three competitors in this segment Down Under were hand-built, with the dashboards often a mix of different divisions, such as the Galaxie having prior-year Lincoln gauges.

Flight Of The Phoenix

So let’s put together a list of pros and cons for this car as it currently sits, and how it aligns with my goal for a nice, V8-powered cruiser:

Pros:

  • Four-Door Sedan
  • Unique styling
  • V8-powered
  • Tough, manualized 727 Torqueflite automatic
  • Highway-capable
  • Suspension and most mechanical parts are available

Cons:

  • Very low production numbers makes sourcing some parts tricky
  • Body is a patchwork of shoddy repairs
  • No interior, and hard to source replacements in Australia
  • Not factory air-conditioned
  • Brake upgrades difficult in Australia
  • Many parts need to come from USA, at high cost

To dive a little deeper into my list of cons above, I think the bodywork and brakes would be the bigger of the obstacles.  

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I’m not afraid of putting some bodywork into a car that I think is worthwhile, what I am not keen on is a restoration on the scale of my Charger for a car that will only see a few thousand kilometres a year when I have more things I want to do with my life and savings than be tied down with another high-dollar, long-term project.

I’m sure the body on this Dodge is probably considered “mint” or “rust-free” in Michigan, but here it needs to pass roadworthy inspections every 12 months and a full-on rotisserie strip-down isn’t something I’m prepared to do … but a quick slap-up job will just result in rust popping back up later.

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The period road tests of the Phoenix all mention that the four-wheel drum brakes weren’t really adequate even for the period, which is even scarier today with modern distracted drivers.

Because these are the only B-body Mopars that we had in Australia, there are no local junkyards/Marketplace sellers with a front disc brake setup from a later model for an easy swap.

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Later Aussie Phoenixes that came with front discs are on the C-body platform, and from what I can gather based on reading US-based forums and articles, there isn’t the ability to swap the spindles or front suspension from a C-body into an early B-body. Compounding this is the harder parts availability here for C-bodies which could make refurbishing the factory calipers a bigger problem.

Likewise it does not appear possible that A-body (Valiant) disc brakes would swap in easily either.

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Putting the brake issues aside, I have front seats I could swap in from a Valiant, but the rear seat is proving difficult to source.

Again, this would not be as big an issue Stateside, but finding even a usable rear seat frame that could be reupholstered is coming up with nothing.

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“Okay,” I can hear you all saying, “just modify some other seats and make them fit.” Sure, custom solutions could solve the rear-seat dilemma. This, on top of all the bodywork needed and the possible need to import a disc-brake swap from the USA, is quickly pushing the likely budget for this build beyond what I’m keen to spend when there are vehicles out there with components that are easier to obtain locally.

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This results in a few options for the big yellow Dodge:

  • Make it roadworthy anyway
  • Race Car!
  • Gut it and use the drivetrain for another vehicle

We’ve already discussed the feasibility of getting it back on the road, but some corners can be cut if the air conditioned, interstate-cruiser goal is to be dismissed.

I’m not super keen on this route, as I have two rough cars already in the two Valiant Utes. And as Jason has argued, a beaten-up old ute/truck is much cooler than a crappy sedan.

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Let’s dive into the other two options.

Fangin’ Hoons

This car has been a rally car for at least a third of its life if the old stickers are any indication, so why not keep this going?

I had an idea if either racing or the above idea of just getting it roadworthy became a reality, a custom bonnet decal in the spirit of the 1970s Pontiac Firebird Trans-Ams, but with an Australian White Ibis instead. 

Sadly the purchase price was well over the $1,200 specified by the Shitbox Rally, so that event is out (and also counts out Project Cactus). The Chrysler ‘LA’ series V8s may be a dime-a-dozen over in North America, but they were only available here from 1965 to 1981, and V8s in general only sold in small numbers with most fleet and private buyers sticking to six-cylinders in the midsize market.

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There is the Variety Bash that this car used to drive in on the opposite side of the country, but there is a minimum fundraising target of $8,500 per vehicle to be eligible to enter. I support several charities privately and donate blood regularly, but this is a high bar to reach and will require a great deal of planning alongside preparing the vehicle so it’s a distant possibility for the moment.

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With the 727 transmission already being manualized and the interior stripped out, there is another potential motorsport category: drag racing.

There is local ⅛ mile drag racing at an airfield about 40 minutes away:

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Sadly, the proposed new track does not seem to be going ahead due to red tape, but the Bodangora drags still happen currently, up to six times a year.

The Phoenix wouldn’t be anything you would call quick, with an estimated 0-60 mph in the ten second range but it would be a great way to get into bracket racing and develop consistency.

The drum brakes once I had them functioning wouldn’t be a big deal, with likely trap speeds not exceeding 60 mph.

I’ve never competed in any form of motorsport before, so I would need to get a helmet and learn the intricacies of drag racing.

Where I live, there’s no autocross outside of Toyota Nationals each Easter, with limited entries for non-Toyotas. Any circuit or hillclimb events are several hours away which make them a trickier proposition.

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Which brings us to the third option:

The Honeymoon Is Over

Now that I have a seemingly decent V8 and transmission, why not harvest them from this worn-out body which was about the price I’d have paid for these two components anyway?

So far I have two possible options in this pathway, both of them are 70s Valiant sedans.

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I know of a 1979-81 ‘CM’ Regal SE that was a factory V8 that’s fairly intact except for the drivetrain that’s potentially up for grabs at a decent price.

I briefly looked at this vehicle several years ago when I was out at the property buying other parts, and from memory it appeared quite rust-free and was equipped with factory A/C and even had optional power windows, quite ritzy for the time!

The only potentially scary factor is that this is a factory vinyl-roof car, and when they were assembled on the line they only had a thin coat of primer under the vinyl. Being a Western NSW car for at least the majority of its life and tucked away in a shed for close to 25 years there’s a strong chance the roof hasn’t turned to iron oxide powder. Fingers crossed!

I also have heard of an earlier ‘VJ’ (1973-75) or ‘VK’ (1975-76) sedan that’s sitting in a paddock not far from my home in unknown condition.

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There’s a very strong chance that car is a factory Hemi-six car, but fortunately the ute body that became Project Cactus arrived with a V8 K-frame installed, so it wouldn’t be that hard a job to convert this to V8. I’ve got most of a factory A/C system in my parts stash, and being a VJ or VK means that I already have a good stash of spare parts because my Charger is a 1974 “VJ.”

Even if neither of these two sedans turn out to be good candidates, I already have much of what I need to convert any Valiant sedan I come across, or if something else interesting passes through Marketplace/etc I could still adapt the 318/727 to them.

The Phoenix body won’t be sent to the crusher. There’s plenty of good parts for someone such as the glass, suspension, trim, grille, bumpers and it also came with spare taillights. 

Or, it may be able to live on again with someone else as a rally car. I won’t be selling the shell for much over scrap value as I’d rather what it has left to give be put back into circulation amongst the Aussie Phoenix community.

So, dear readers, what would you do? Should his Phoenix should rise again, or is it a bin-chicken only good for what’s powering the wheels?

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CSRoad
CSRoad
4 months ago

That would be an easy choice for refurbishment in North America, but given your goals it is not the best starting point. You were right, living in “Salt Country” I’d consider it solid looking shell.
Historically somebody should save it. The 8 3/4 rear can be plenty tough, some are better than others, if it has the coarse splined non-tapered pinion and the Dana-style clutch pack (Powrloc) LSD then it may be worth some dollars to the right person, but you probably already know that. I was running one in my high 10’s / low 11’s Nova bracket car with 4.89:1 gears and it survived fine despite the trans brake and high RPM launches. I did end up with new axle tubes on the banjo after a couple of years as it was no longer straight.

Aaron Newman
Aaron Newman
4 months ago

Man, I really enjoy reading the content from Laurence. Great stuff! Since its not the original engine to the car anyways, I say remove it and install in something else.

Cyko9
Cyko9
4 months ago

Rust is scary, and I think the Phoenix is probably done. The yellow paint is eye-getting and probably swaying opinions, but I’ll bet there’s plenty of bondo and rust underneath. As a rally car, it was driven hard and probably put away wet. You’ve got some great ideas for what to transplant the drivetrain into.

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
4 months ago

I suspected that Bek to be your girlfriend, but I had to google it to be sure. You might have mentioned for the benefit of readers not familiar with your relationship situation.

Martin Ibert
Martin Ibert
4 months ago

I did that, but I didn’t immediately remember the name.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
4 months ago

Laurence, I was ready to make the case for saving Project Phoenix, but liberating the drivetrain and dropping it into one of those other 70s machines seems like the way to go. Either way, Merry Chrysler!

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
4 months ago

This car is done being original. If it were worth saving, someone would’ve paid more than motor/transmission value for it.

If these are desirable in general, you’ll get a lot of your money back by parting it out.

There’s value and therefore an honest profit in having time, a place, and the patience to disassemble a vehicle into useful parts.

Tom Herman
Tom Herman
4 months ago

I may be the only person likes the look of these things, but no. This just isn’t a race car, and you know deep down it will be too much trouble to bring back.Pass it on to someone who wants to spend several years bringing it back. That drivetrain is nice, but not special enough if there aren’t plenty of parts easily available to you. But here are some bits for whoever gets the car: I’m pretty sure it’s a C body. Even so, B and C bodies from that era use the same ball joints so the uprights can interchange. A bodies use smaller brakes and a different wheel bolt circle. The early 727s were cast iron, and the parts are harder to find for them. A magnet will tell you which one you have. Good luck with whatever you decide.

PajeroPilot
PajeroPilot
4 months ago

I pissed myself laughing at the “DUNNO” switch in the dash.

My vote is with race car.

Technically this and Cactus may be over the dollar value for Shitbox Rally but both are well in the spirit of it, which is what matters. I did Shitbox in 2013 in a VS Commodore that though we paid $400 for, was worth more than the (at the time) $1000 limit once we had it rally ready. They are pretty flexible with that rule.

PajeroPilot
PajeroPilot
4 months ago

With dash buttons and toggle switches like that, the Phoenix is MADE for Shitbox!

Our VS had a button Dymo labelled “BOOST (when light off)”. It was of course the A/C switch.

Freelivin2713
Freelivin2713
4 months ago

Rise again Phoenix! It’s awesome

Sledgehammer
Sledgehammer
4 months ago

Fix the brakes, fluid flush, general clean up running and driving and see if you can offload to the bash crowd as you wait for a better option or better idea.

Sledgehammer
Sledgehammer
4 months ago

Hopper stoppers in Victoria does a kit. AU falcon disc conversion. Expensive at $1500australian but strong modern brakes with readily available replacement parts and engineering to pass local Australian requirements.

STEPHEN WALTER GOSSIN
STEPHEN WALTER GOSSIN
4 months ago

I voted for “Rise again!”. It’s more my style of approach.

Loved the piece and learned many new things – thanks for sharing it, Mr. Rogers!

Silent But Deadly
Silent But Deadly
4 months ago

As someone in your neck of the woods… that Phoenix is a parts car. It’s just too messed with to warrant a return to the road (given the lack of adaptability with local parts and the availability of anything else) but not trashed enough for the scrapper.

Racing it is just a way to blow cash and be frequently disappointed. Which is a gateway drug to blowing more cash on it or some other bad choice!

Best to take the best bits for something else (that Regal from out west could be sweet if the interior is still OK…but could also have a very pounded underbody!) and make the rest available for keeping other Phoenixii on the road or on show.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
4 months ago

You already said it: that much work and money for a limited use car isn’t a great proposition. While cool, it’s been beat hard in rallies—and you’re not in love with it enough to commit the resources.

I’d say you answered your own question while writing this article.

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
4 months ago

I should also say that, while I enjoyed the keyhole view of your car-career from Project Cactus, having you actually write here regularly has been great for learning of the culture down there and getting a handle on your take on it and the actual steel. I enjoy your articles quite a bit.

I’d bet most here already know you’ll do right by her

67 Oldsmobile
67 Oldsmobile
4 months ago

Sounds like you already got enough shit on your plate. Keep the drivetrain and put it in something else,or even better,dump this on someone else and buy something that is already closer to what you actually was aiming for.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
4 months ago
Reply to  67 Oldsmobile

This is the answer. Sell it to a kid with a set of wrenches and a dream, then continue your search. Maybe teach the kid a thing or two along the way and create a new Autopian.

Wasn’t there a kid with a turbo dirt bike during the Cactus project? Let’s see what he can do with a beast like this.

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
4 months ago

And I’d be keen to read about it!

Gee See
Gee See
4 months ago

I figured Australia’s car inspection rules are more lax than the Germans but more strict that the States. Is it legal to retrofit kits like Wilwood (though expensive) to vintage cars like this?

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
4 months ago

So I voted for harvesting drivetrain, but if you were to attempt a revival, I’d go for a luxury resto-mod. Forget a backseat bench and go with 4 of the best/comfiest buckets you can find and build in a RR-level center console between the seats with a requisite champagne chiller (also suitable for oil-cans of your fav Aussie brew).

For the brakes delimma, call on David (he owes you!) and SWJ to source the parts you need.

To get the parts to you, forget shipping, have them yachted down by the whole Autopian staff in that former coast guard cutter Mercedes featured several weeks ago! Of course they’ll need to install a Starlink system so we can continue to get our daily dosage of automania (we’re not going cold turkey for you on this, mate!).

Just image the hilarity and hijinks the staff could be up to during a month-long voyage from LA to Dubbo!!! And it would be the perfect low-stress recovery for anyone who has had recent open-heart surgery.

But, yeah, parting out the Phoenix and putting the V8 into something you really want would be the logical thing to do. Of course, logic is boring.

Arrest-me Red
Arrest-me Red
4 months ago

I was going to say save it then I saw project cactus part 2. I am sure you have donors around or can find one in better shape.

Dar Khorse
Dar Khorse
4 months ago

I voted to send it on. Sounds like the engine/transmission is what really meets your needs.
Also, missed opportunity for the title: “The Plight of the Phoenix “

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
4 months ago

If the Phoenix isn’t absolutely your dream car, I’d let it go before you become more attached to it. Salvaging the drive train for a more promising candidate will get you closer to your overall goal of comfortable V-8 highway cruiser while paying tribute to its source. And, you can part out the rest to someone resurrecting a more intact Phoenix. Wins all around. Good luck!

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
4 months ago

Tough call. In the US it would be hard to justify a restoration of this car since it’s a less-desirable bodystyle. In Australia it’s tough to justify due to the cost of shipping bulky parts from the US. If it weren’t a mosaic of rust and patch panels I’d vote to bring it back to its former glory, but as-is it probably would serve you best as a donor. Pity, because these early-60’s Mopars are living proof that cool cars don’t have to be things of beauty.

Jalop Gold
Jalop Gold
4 months ago

You have your V8, now get a good body and interior with a trashed driveline and be on your way. Plus you know how rare Phoenix parts are, so you can be helping that ecosystem rather than burdening it! This chassis had a good run, give it a proper wake and move it along.

W124
W124
4 months ago

I think this could still be a good project car to somebody, but not for your described needs. I think lifting the drivetrain out and selling the body to someone who needs parts or wants to make it race again or just wants a cheap and rare project for some other use case would be the best solution. I’d imagine that a race-prepped car wouldn’t make a great long distance cruiser.

Last edited 4 months ago by W124
Rod Millington
Rod Millington
4 months ago

You’ve already answered your own question when you were talking about all of the work that needs to be done to it across every facet of the car. If it’s been in Variety Club bashes for decades, the chances of the chassis even being straight still are quite low.

Take out its heart like in the Temple of Doom.

JaredTheGeek
JaredTheGeek
4 months ago

As much as I like this Dodge with the difficulty in sourcing parts I would take the drivetrain out and then sell the rest to someone that is rebuilding theirs and needs fenders or quarters. The car is rusty and in need of a lot of work and you said you already have plenty of rusty cars.

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