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Someone Has It Out For Rivian Founder RJ Scaringe

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Pressure always reveals the weaknesses in a system, a fact that’s becoming increasingly clear to automakers. It’s tough out there right now, with a lot of competition, fragile geopolitical alliances, and depressed markets. There’s been more automotive C-Suite churn in the last twelve months than at any time since the GFC, and someone seems to have it out for Rivian founder and CEO RJ Scaringe.

Today’s Morning Dump will start not in California, where the company is based, but in Germany, where a lot of the money is coming from lately. Specifically, a German business magazine has some juicy quotes from an “associate” implying a lot of dysfunction on Scaringe’s part and general displeasure with his leadership.

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If your guess is that the call is coming from inside the House of Wolfsburg, I wouldn’t blame you. There’s immense pressure on Volkswagen, too. The automaker has to find a way forward, but the current CEO doesn’t think selling luxury EVs to China is going to be how it’ll do it. Could autonomous vans put Volkswagen back on the path to success?

Nissan catapulted its CEO out of the company this year, and now the new guy has to admit there’s going to be billions of dollars in losses this year. In some ways, that may take the pressure off. Set the bar so low a snail could clear it, as I always say.

One of the reasons given for the trade war is that China doesn’t import enough from the U.S., relative to what it exports. Chinese automakers are responding by importing the West’s most renewable resource: Influencers.

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Scaringe Is ‘Not Suited To Be A CEO’: Report

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I made the call last year to get a subscription to Manager Magazin, and so far I’ve had no regrets. As a sort of German equivalent to Forbes, the business publication is a great source of executive backstabbing. Messy European C-suiters are basically my version of Real Housewives, so let’s grab some popcorn and see what they’re up to today.

Here’s the headline (all Google translated): “Volkswagen partners in crisis: How Rivian founder RJ Scaringe is losing influence in the company

Some context: last year, Volkswagen CEO Oliver Blume took one look at its troubled software unit and decided, rather than try to salvage that investment, it was better to pour money into Scaringe’s Rivian electric truckmaker. Then, earlier this year, Volkswagen gave even more money to Rivian as part of a deeper partnership. At the time, I felt that VW was going to exercise more control over this company. This is somewhat counterproductive because VW’s own investment was a tacit admission that its processes failed.

How’s this partnership working out?

“RJ is a great tinkerer, but not suited to be a CEO,” one of his associates told manager magazin, adding that Scaringe is “resistant to advice.” Some of his investors complain that the Rivian CEO is juggling too many hoops. He recently spun off Also, a company for electrified micro-vehicles. Joint venture partner Volkswagen is also said to be less than thrilled about how much money Rivian continues to burn: In 2024, it posted a loss of $4.7 billion.

Major shareholder Amazon – the tech giant holds 14 percent of Rivian’s shares – has already signaled that it no longer wants to participate in new financing rounds. Should the startup need fresh capital, the Wolfsburg-based company would likely be forced to inject more capital if it doesn’t want to dilute or write off its existing billion-dollar investment. Volkswagen is following Scaringe’s course with corresponding alarm.

Oh boy. To be fair to Scaringe, these are the complaints pretty much everyone can make of founder/CEOs.

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The placement of the gossip is almost as important as the content. This wasn’t in TechCrunch or Sherwood, which is where you’d think someone from Amazon would air its dirty laundry. The large institutional investors like Vanguard and BlackRock? That’s more of a Wall Street Journal kind of crowd. Who would say this to Manager Magazin? Only the reporter and the source know for sure, but it’s at least where you’d go to make it sound like the pressure is coming from someone Volkswagen-related.

In particular, that little note that VW is in the awkward position of having to write off the investment it was making in Rivian, which itself led to the writing off of the Cariad software unit investment. Ok, one more bit from the article:

RJ Scaringe needs a quick turnaround. It would help his company, his prospects as CEO, and also his finances. Rivian’s IPO in 2021 turned the founder into a billionaire overnight; the market value briefly shot up to $150 billion – Rivian was worth much more than Volkswagen at the time. His remaining 0.3 percent stake is now worth less than €35 million. In terms of wealth, RJ Scaringe is truly the antithesis of Elon.

Rivian is losing money, its sales aren’t great, and it seems far away from the production of its smaller models. There’s now a ton of competition, both from electric automakers and hybrids. We don’t know for sure who is sending Scaringe a warning, but the message is clear: fix it or else.

VW Might Give Up On EVs In China, Do Uber Vans Elsewhere

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The new Porsche Macan EV is a great electric crossover, just like the Taycan is a great electric car. That’s apparently not enough in China, where the brand has faced serious difficulty competing with companies like Xiaomi and Yangwang.  The former sold more than twice as many SU7 sedans in China as Porsche sold anything in the country.

Current VW and Porsche CEO Oliver Blume was at Auto Shanghai and indicated that maybe trying to compete with German EVs in a market overwhelmed with Chinese competition isn’t a great long-term strategy. From Reuters:

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Blume said the company might abandon the EV segment entirely in China, where more than half of new cars sold are now EVs and hybrids. Porsche sells two EVs here, the Taycan and Macan. It does not report specific model sales by country, but Blume said Porsche’s EV sales in China were “relatively low.”

“We will see in the next two to three years whether Porsche exists as an electric brand here,” he said.

The core attributes that have historically made a Porsche a Porsche — the throaty roar of a 911’s flat-six-cylinder engine, for instance — do not have the same appeal in China as in other Porsche markets.

“The concept of Porsche as a golden brand means nothing to younger generations in China,” said Bo Yu, China country manager at research firm JATO Dynamics.

That’s rough. It’s not all bad news, though. Uber and Volkswagen are pairing up in the United States to test a bunch of autonomous ID.Buzz vans. The ID.Buzz is a perfect rideshare vehicle, I think. Here’s how Uber describes its plans:

Testing is expected to begin later this year, with the first commercial launch expected in Los Angeles in 2026. During the initial testing and launch phases, ID. Buzz AD vehicles will have human operators onboard to help refine the technology and ensure safety. Each step will proceed only after any necessary regulatory approvals have been received.

MOIA, a Volkswagen AG autonomous mobility brand, will provide its integrated solution for autonomous driving which includes the ID. Buzz AD and software-based system for the deployment on the Uber platform.

“Volkswagen is not just a car manufacturer—we are shaping the future of mobility, and our collaboration with Uber accelerates that vision,” said Christian Senger, CEO of Volkswagen Autonomous Mobility. “What really sets us apart is our ability to combine the best of both worlds—high-volume manufacturing expertise with cutting-edge technology and a deep understanding of urban mobility needs.”

Autonomous cabs like these will become a larger part of the ecosystem, no doubt. I just wonder how many overlapping brands can be successful at once. This is starting to become like EVs a few years ago, where everyone assumed CAGR of a trillion percent and then were shocked that their $65,000 electric crossovers were competing over a slowly growing market.

Nissan Expects To Lose $5 Billion This Fiscal Year

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Nissan has a new CEO, Ivan Espinosa, and he seems like a cool enough dude. One of his first jobs as the gearhead in charge is to let everyone know what to expect. Specifically, people should expect Nissan to lose more money than initially guessed. From the company’s statement:

Compared with the outlook issued at the time of Nissan’s third quarter results in February, the forecast full-year sales volume has been lowered to 3.35 million units. Full-year net revenue is now expected to reach 12.6 trillion yen, with operating profit of 85 billion yen. This is primarily due to changes in the competitive environment and deterioration in sales performance.

As part of the revised outlook, Nissan expects to report a net loss of 700-750 billion yen for fiscal year 2024. The revision is due to costs related to its ongoing turnaround plan, and other factors.

The management team has conducted a thorough review of production assets, leading to impairments exceeding 500 billion yen across North America, Latin America, Europe, and Japan. Additionally, restructuring costs are expected to exceed 60 billion yen as part of ongoing turnaround measures.

What does Espinosa have to say about this?

“We are taking the prudent step to revise our full-year outlook, reflecting a thorough review of our performance and the carrying value of production assets,” Espinosa said in a statement. “Despite these challenges, we have significant financial resources, a strong product pipeline and the determination to turn around Nissan in the coming period.”

I hope those crazy kids figure it out.

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Chinese Automakers Invite Hundreds Of Influencers

I was a little surprised this week to discover that numerous colleagues I’d just seen in New York for the auto show were suddenly on planes to Shanghai for the big show there. I shouldn’t have been surprised, as, according to this Bloomberg article, Chinese automakers invited a ton of people.

Although official figures are difficult to come by, corporate events held in the lead up to China’s biggest car show hosted hundreds of reporters packed into luxurious hotel briefing rooms to hear about the latest models built by BYD Co., Zeekr and other Chinese electric vehicle manufacturers.

It’s a clear change of attitude in a country known for tight controls over journalist visas.

[…]

China’s top-selling car brand BYD hosted some 150 journalists and influencers from Latin America who came from as far as El Salvador, Paraguay, Ecuador, Chile and Peru. The lively pack were treated to the luxury hotels in Shanghai that line the Huangpu river overlooking the Bund, including one with rooms going for at least $375 a night.

So, let’s see here, our country is jailing and scaring tourists, and China is “rolling out the red carpet.” I’m sure this will all end well.

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The Big Question

Let’s “Clue” this noise: Who do you think is trying to put a shoulder into Scaringe?

Photo: Rivian, depositphotos.com

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Reg
Reg
20 days ago

The fact that your view is that RJ should resign shows your lack of knowledge about the EV industry. Every single EV company and any gas-powered company (except for the Chinese) with an EV segment is losing money on EVs. Ford lost like $5B from their EV business in 2024, GM is losing money, VW is losing money same as Citroën, Peugeot, Volvo, and I mean billions… do you suggest that all these CEOs should resign? I wouldn’t be surprised if Rivian and RJ are doing better than any other EV company in Euripe and China. As a journalist you should research the industry very well before posting an article.

Lost on the Nürburgring
Lost on the Nürburgring
12 days ago
Reply to  Reg

Can you quote the exact sentence where Matt voiced his alleged view “that RJ should resign”? I missed it.

I_drive_a_truck
I_drive_a_truck
22 days ago

For Nissan, the forecast revision is a textbook Big Bath. Take a bunch of losses early in your tenure and be ultra conservative in estimates, blame your predecessor, and then look good when you beat estimates.

I_drive_a_truck
I_drive_a_truck
22 days ago

The concept of Porsche as a golden brand means nothing to younger generations in China,”
This was inevitable, that foreign marks in general would face a dividing population where some side with the status of an imported vehicle but some prefer domestic makes. Culturally, it makes sense that the domestics group is likely to be a fast growing segment as technology and reliability catch up. Auto companies should be planning for significant paring back on volume, if not a total withdrawal from, the China market within the next few years. Porsche is seeing that and reacting, how long til GM or Stellantis finally sees that light?

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
23 days ago

Who do you think is trying to put a shoulder into Scaringe?”

My guess? Someone over at VAG under Blume trying to ‘soften up’ Rivian (likely under Blume’s direction) to make it easier/cheaper to take the company over.

Username, the Movie
Username, the Movie
23 days ago

You know who doesnt have “the juice”? VAG. Looks like they are lashing out at everything to find scapegoats for their upcoming, multi-year profit hemorrhage and possible breaking apart of brands or even bankruptcy.

Another darkhorse theory here is that Rivian is pretty much a direct competitor to Scout, aNorth American brand that is owned by VAG. I could see then wanting to injure Rivian to give Scout a fighting chance.

But all that aside and I largely agree that RJ is probably at a point that its best to find another CEO. Nothing against RJ as he seems solid in this realm of CEOs, but I do get the feeling that he is taking on too much other stuff and not able to keep the main auto business charging forward. I really dont see how any of these EV companies (Rivian and Lucid are the only two really left) can make it without being bought out by a legacy OEM and given the billions they require to keep going. Yes, I know Lucid has the infinite money pool from Saudi Arabia, which proves my point that even with that Lucid seems to be on shaky ground.

Last point, Uber working with VAG? A company that had the biggest media coverage for an AV hitting a pedestrian is working with the company that covered up a huge diesel cheating scandal? What could go right?

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
23 days ago

Let’s not forget– Uber is also famous for having to pay settlements to a BIG chunk of employees (mostly women) for sexual harrassment claims. So that’s extra fun!

M SV
M SV
23 days ago

Seems like internal struggles at VAG or big investors. They wanted a quick solution to their problems. Rivian isn’t exactly fast. They listen to their customers and scale slowly. There are probably investors that feel they should have turned to the Chinese to fix their problems. China was a major money maker for VAG and they are losing that there has to be some that blame the current leadership for that and look at the Rivian deal as part of that. Rivian does thing different and right now is only in north America with VAGs global presence it makes sense. I also wouldn’t doubt they want to take over Rivian.

Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
23 days ago

Messy European C-suiters are basically my version of Real Housewives, so let’s grab some popcorn and see what they’re up to today.

Oh man, please tell me you’re keeping up with the Porsche heir who wants to build a tunnel (with underground garage) to his house. When I saw that story, I was like, thank goodness, finally some normal news: PORSCHE FAMILY DRAMA.

Ncbrit
Ncbrit
23 days ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

I did some work for a billionaire CEO who had a tunnel from the guard shack to his house. Vehicles were kept in the guard house building and everyday access to the house was via the tunnel. The front of the house (mansion really) was all for appearances.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
23 days ago

 It’s not all bad news, though. Uber and Volkswagen are pairing up in the United States to test a bunch of autonomous ID.Buzz vans. 

I’m sorry, where is the not-all-bad news?

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
Angel "the Cobra" Martin
23 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

They have to do something with all the unsellable ID.Buzz rotting on the lots.

Lotsofchops
Lotsofchops
22 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

If you like the look of the ID.Buzz it might mean you get to see more of them I guess? That’s all I got.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
22 days ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

Hahaa, I do like the look. My neighbor has one, though (the two-tone white and blue!) so I see it literally everyday. Incidentally, I really like the vehicle. I just wish it were $20K cheaper.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
23 days ago

Whenever I hear a CEO say “We’re not just a car manufacturer, we’re an X company” I get prepared for X to fail, whatever it is.

Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
23 days ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

sometimes it’s literally an external company renamed X, lmao

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
23 days ago
Reply to  Stef Schrader

Yes, it was satisfying to use X as my variable here 🙂

SlowCarFast
SlowCarFast
22 days ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

We aren’t just a car company, we also peddle vaporware!

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
20 days ago
Reply to  Frank Wrench

M O B I L I T Y

Emblazoned like a modern car brand’s word mark across the butt.

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
23 days ago

Lol. Juggling too many hoops. That’s lost in translation, right?

Drew
Drew
23 days ago

To learn the “who,” the best method is to consider “why.”

Did VW intentionally put this out there to try to oust Scaringe and/or other investors and take more control? Possible, but with their troubles, putting more money into Rivian could be rough. If they think they can oust him without additional investment, maybe…

Did someone at a fairly high level at VW smell the blood in the water and think they could oust the VW CEO (or CFO or whatever other position they want) over the poor investment? Possible, but I have no idea who would think their name is in the mix for it.

Did someone at VW fear for their company’s future and decide this would encourage the company to rein in the investments? This opens up the list of suspects enough to make speculation impossible.

Did an outsider put this out there? I hope not. A good journalist should vet sources before publishing. Depending on who this is coming from, it could really feel fishy.

Is it coming from multiple sources, maybe both within VW and elsewhere? That would make a lot of sense. A journalist hears something, checks in with some contacts, and ends up in touch with a few people who are saying much the same thing.

Is it Scaringe? Maybe he wants to focus on Also, so he would love someone to take over at Rivian? Almost certainly not, since it should be relatively easy to just step down. But it would be amusing if he did.

Last edited 23 days ago by Drew
TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
23 days ago

I think it’s Matt Hardigree. He has a history. First he campaigned against Carlos Tavares for months on end. Now, unable to satisfy his Automotive CEO blood lust, has turned his sights on Scaringe!

MATTinMKE
MATTinMKE
23 days ago

Entirely possible, but after taking down Carlos, not pictured, wouldn’t Scaringe be low hanging fruit? I’d like to see him go up against a real contender, mostly for the spectacle. Go for a harder target, Matt! Bring down Barra, if you dare!

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
23 days ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

As the Australians know, taking on a Barra is a difficult task.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
23 days ago
Reply to  MATTinMKE

Good luck, I hear Mary will cut a bitch.

Stef Schrader
Stef Schrader
23 days ago

Alternately, do we have a Mergio Sarchionne version of RJ in the comments who’s been told to knock it out? SJ Rcaringe?

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
22 days ago

Does Matt’s silhouette look like the Scooby Doo villain, The Creeper? Because if not that topshot appears to exonerate him.

EVDesigner
EVDesigner
23 days ago

Funny how you only make a mention of Rivian losing money in 2024 but completely ignore the fact they did turn a profit from Q4 2024 and onwards as a result of a complete factory retooling process that reduced cost. Not to mention the fact that Rivian, Rivian VW Joint Venture and VW are 3 completely separate entities. The CEO of the joint venture between Rivian and VW isn’t even RJ Scaringe either because he controls nothing there. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rivian-scored-big-first-quarter-140500804.html

EVDesigner
EVDesigner
22 days ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

So the profitability they will make in 2025 will be reported as such, correct? However I’m still surprised by your silence about how RJ isn’t affiliated with the joint venture since Wassym Bensaid is the co-CEO along with VW’s equivalent on that. I would’ve expected better fact checking on that topic.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
23 days ago

The news that got my attention this morning even though it’s from two days ago; “Elon Musk makes stunning claim after Tesla profits plummet: ‘If the ship of America goes down, Tesla will go with it’
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/22/business/tesla-reports-disappoint-drop-in-revenue-and-profits/index.html
The Judicial and legislative branches must exercise their constitutional duty and reign in the chaos that the executive branch and its loyalty is the only requirement appointees are creating.
To keep with the “ship of America” theme, many need to walk the plank for drilling holes in the hull, and expecting praise when they occasionally cork some of them.

Last edited 23 days ago by Hoonicus
Beto O'Kitty
Beto O'Kitty
23 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

How would the judicial branch reign in the executive branch? They gave the head of that branch COMPLETE immunity on any actions taken as IMPOTUS! Next…..

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
23 days ago
Reply to  Beto O'Kitty

Yes, that ruling is disturbing, too undefined, and should have an amendment.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
22 days ago
Reply to  Hoonicus

The judicial and legislative branches have publicly abdicated their duties to reign in the executive a long time ago (see the 2 impeachments and the SCOTUS rulings as reminders)

Last edited 22 days ago by SarlaccRoadster
Hoonicus
Hoonicus
22 days ago

I do believe public opinions are coming around (latest approval poll at a historic low). We the people need to express a clear demand that the constitution be upheld.

I’ll just add that I abhor that current events are requiring us, usually happy- go lucky, sometimes silly car enthusiasts to take a stand on such matters, but these are truly dangerous times for democracy.

Last edited 22 days ago by Hoonicus
I don't hate manual transmissions
I don't hate manual transmissions
23 days ago

The most disturbing part of the Scaringe story is this:

“He recently spun off Also, a company for electrified micro-vehicles.”

Translation: I’ve totally lost focus on the core parts of the business, so I’m going to move the side hustle out so I don’t have to hear any more crap from anybody about wasting my time on unimportant issues.

If he’s got any involvement in the new entity, he’ll still be wasting time on unimportant (to Rivian) issues.

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
23 days ago

I was looking for the period after “off” before realizing that it was a company called Also.

Ash78
Ash78
23 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

I read about “Uber drivers” in headlines multiple times circa 2010 before realizing the mass media wasn’t just applauding someone’s driving skill. As a suburban guy in a midsize city, I didn’t use rideshare (or a taxi) for about 15 years straight, so I just never noticed.

Ash78
Ash78
23 days ago

That’s like the thing you bring up towards the end of your Shark Tank presentation just to make Mark Cuban laugh at you.

I’ve said this about Musk, Jobs, and now Scaringe — a “founder’s brain” is rarely a “good CEO’s brain.” You need to spread out the wealth and don’t be a quasi-dictator.

I’ve been investing in Apple since Jobs’s final days, and for Rivian for a few years…partly because I trust that they’re NOT a cult of personality operation like Tesla. I hope it doesn’t devolve into that. Most CEOs shouldn’t be household names.

SaabaruDude
SaabaruDude
23 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

my job is, in large part, wrangling a division built of smallish, acquired companies and getting them to “synergize”. Depending on the terms of the acquisition, sometimes the founder sticks around.

a “founder’s brain” is rarely a “good CEO’s brain” is a fantastic way to describe why I drink too much.

Pupmeow
Pupmeow
23 days ago
Reply to  SaabaruDude

Letting the founder stick around after you acquire their company is the woooooorst. They will never accept their new corporate overlords, nor their new status as not-the-boss. I always advise against it, but I’m just a lawyer so what the fuck do I know.

Harvey Spork
Harvey Spork
20 days ago
Reply to  Pupmeow

This. Most of the time they are made to stick around by a vesting schedule so they don’t walk away and start a competitors too soon, but in practice they’re just fkng off and not doing anything useful for the new owner.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
23 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Most CEOs should be Big Household names.

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
23 days ago

Based on the real-world range of the ID Buzz (particularly in cold climates) and VWs buggy (pun intended) software, it sounds like the worst of both worlds.

Ash78
Ash78
23 days ago

Ferdinand Piech, in the cemetery, with a bunch of chains, Marley-style.

Tonight you will be visited by three ghosts — the ghost of EV past (Roger Smith), the ghost of EV present (an unnamed 13-year-old working in a BYD battery plant) and the ghost of EV future (Elon Musk, impoverished on the streets of Johannesburg, trying to pitch Ponzi schemes to his 217 children using his final 12 text messages from this billing cycle)

NC Miata NA
NC Miata NA
23 days ago

Surely no one that is a major part of VW’s leadership would publicly undermine the CEO of an outside company that received a major investment from VW and definitely not to a German publication that caters to the 1% of the business world.

Tbird
Tbird
23 days ago

Blume with the knife in the coat closet.

Live2ski
Live2ski
23 days ago
Reply to  Tbird

that’s “Professor” to you

Tbird
Tbird
23 days ago
Reply to  Live2ski

Herr Professor

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
23 days ago

Reading that the guy who is pretty much my main source of the industry news considers messy European C-suiters his jam makes my membership fee worthwhile.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
23 days ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

I love how catty this whole thing is, Blume seems like he might be kind of a bitchy old queen

Last edited 23 days ago by Ranwhenparked
DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
23 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Someone is going to get a glass of reisling thrown in their face!

JDE
JDE
23 days ago

Sadly if I had to buy electric, I would have most likely wanted to go Rivian, though the prices and pain point with actually buying said vehicles(Process) definitely made for easy excuses for not going that route. I could See Elon taking off his toupe’ and cradling a big furry white cat while sending the message to Scaringe with one pinky finger cocked up.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
23 days ago
Reply to  JDE

Blofeld and Dr. Evil don’t deserve to be compared to someone as awful as Musk

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
23 days ago

Yeah, Virtucon was a way cooler company than Tesla – cable TV systems, Starbucks, a talent agency, oil refinery, steel mill, volatile chemicals, oil tankers, and a miniature model factory factory

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
23 days ago

Regarding Rivian, I like the company, the products, the design, the fact that they brought an old factory back to life and are helping out a midwestern town.

But I do agree that RJ probably needs to go. I’ve worked at 5+startups (in a row) that have either been directly or indirectly involved in the EV industry.

I’m old enough now, and have seen enough, to recognize “founders syndrome”. 2 of the startups I worked at absolutely had founder’s syndrome, one of them is gone now because of it, and the founder of that company had a great opportunity to leave and make millions… he now might face bankruptcy from his own hubris.

The best thing for RJ’s own finances is to find a replacement, take his buckets of money and start something else interesting (maybe focus on the new light mobility startup).

I’m not rooting against him, I want to see him succeed, but he might end up screwing himself over if he doesn’t have a good exit strategy for both him AND the company which he owns lots of shares. As an added benefit, he won’t have to deal with VW at a corporate level, which…. can always be a challenge.

AMC Addict
AMC Addict
23 days ago

This is exactly how I feel.

I’m a fan that he took the DSM plant and made it work. I assume that he was able to get some of the former employees back for their additional production know-how. That plant, when it operated as Diamond Star Motors had some of the lowest defect rates during its original production run.

He had a vision and executed on it amazingly, but Rivian’s cash burn has been known and I don’t see it being mitigated anytime soon.

I want this company to succeed, but I worry the upcoming Scout is going to eat them for lunch. Rivian’s trucks and SUVs are too expensive. They need a 5 vehicle line-up, but can’t make it happen fast enough (large SUV, small SUV, large Truck, small Truck, some car/wagon thing) with price points that are 33% lower than they are now.

In my experience at start-ups (software based) printed rumors are true when you read them. He likely has founder syndrome.

I_drive_a_truck
I_drive_a_truck
22 days ago
Reply to  AMC Addict

Scout is likely the big unsaid thing driving the backstabbing. My hunch is that Rivian was asked to help out Scout in certain ways or possibly to just merge them together as a single operation to share what each is good at (which wouldn’t be a bad idea) and he probably told them to get bent.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
23 days ago

I’m old enough now, and have seen enough, to recognize “founders syndrome”

Yet one more reason Tesla needs to jettison Elon too.

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
23 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Elon may not be the founder of Tesla, but he is the guy who made it big and may be the guy that kills it if he sticks around.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
23 days ago

This. I worked at a now-dead startup killed by its founder’s inability to get out of the way. It followed a similar path as Rivian, in that it got a massive cash injection from an industry giant, but the founder couldn’t adapt to the new-found scale of the company and ultimately screwed over everyone involved.

I want Rivian to succeed, but this isn’t the first time I’ve read reports that RJ is his own worst enemy. I’d like to think he could move into an advisory CTO role, but I don’t think he has the personality type to do so.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
23 days ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

I feel your pain dude. I’m sure we could both share some VERY interesting stories regarding founder situations lol

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
23 days ago

No doubt! I’ve got another story about a founder who successfully built (and cashed out on) one company and then discovered to the dismay of his second startup that the first was a fluke.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
23 days ago
Reply to  Squirrelmaster

Yikes…..

WaitWaitOkNow
WaitWaitOkNow
22 days ago

This you, JDizzle?

Ben
Ben
23 days ago

I’ve heard it said that the leader who makes your first dollar usually isn’t the right one to make your billionth dollar. Companies at those widely varying scales require very different skills in their leadership.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
22 days ago
Reply to  Ben

This is very, VERY true.

Hell, I’ve been kicking around a couple of company ideas, and one of them I’m at the beginning phases of thinking how it could work from a market study, funding, design, product, manufacturing perspective, etc…

But I’m very aware that if I do get a company going (yikes…) I know at least some of my limits. Meaning that I might start something, but no fucking way would I be good at large scale growth, too many shiny objects for me to stay that focused.

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
23 days ago

HAIM rules.

AssMatt
AssMatt
23 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

This song, anyway, slaps, for sure.

Ash78
Ash78
23 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

I’m more on team FELDMAN, personally, but no hard feelings.

David Smith
David Smith
23 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Marty?

DialMforMiata
DialMforMiata
23 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

“The Steps” is an automatic “turn it up LOUD and sing along” song. As a 50-something guy I get some odd looks when this happens in the office…

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Luscious Jackson
Luscious Jackson
23 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

Haim’s collective cameo at the conclusion of Thundercat’s Dragonball Durag music video is the most memorable part.

The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
The NSX Was Only in Development for 4 Years
23 days ago

The Rivian guy looks like yass-ified Steve-O.

Ash78
Ash78
23 days ago

I’ve been an investor for over 3 years on the strength that I thought Rivers Cuomo from Weezer had started an EV company. I should do more research.

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
23 days ago
Reply to  Ash78

Say it ain’t so!

Griznant
Griznant
23 days ago

He was The Greatest Man That Ever Lived. Just hope he’ll have a Good Life out on his Island in the Sun when he retires.

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