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Southwestern Coupes With The Same Size Engine: 1970 Mercedes 250C vs 1981 Pontiac Phoenix

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For our final Showdown of this short week, we’re taking a look at a couple of two-door coupes from out in the desert – one near Santa Fe, and one a stone’s throw from Mexico. They’re close to the same size, have the same engine displacement, and the same number of forward gears, but nothing else in common.

You weren’t too impressed by yesterday’s cars from Maine, and frankly, neither was I. I mean, I guess I’d take the truck, because I don’t know what I’d do with the Edge, but as trucks go, a Dodge with the 4.7 wouldn’t be my first choice. Or second, or ninth, frankly. But I had to commit to the single-syllable bit, and those are what I found. I’m sure you understand.

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I was amused by the tales of rusty cars in Maine, though. It sounds a lot like Minnesota in that regard. I had cars in Minnesota that were so rotten they couldn’t be jacked up anymore, cars that I bought with weeds growing through the floor, even a car that I always had to keep between 1/4 and 1/2 tank of gas; any more would leak out, and any less was too little to reach the rusted-out pickup tube in the tank. The difference? Maine has vehicle inspections. In Minnesota, if there’s enough good metal left to bolt a license plate to, you can register it.

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You’ll be happy to know there are no rust worries with today’s cars. “California car” has become synonymous with “no rust,” but the Golden State isn’t the only place to look for cars if you’re trying to avoid the tin worm. There’s a whole swath of the country, from west Texas all the way to the Central Valley in California, that doesn’t get much precipitation and therefore doesn’t salt the roads. Cars there get sun-baked, vinyl cracks and paint fades, but corrosion isn’t something anyone really thinks about. With that in mind, here are a pair of coupes, both with six-cylinder engines displacing 2.8 liters. Let’s see what you make of them.

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1970 Mercedes-Benz 250C – $4,600

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Photo: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.8-liter OHC inline 6, four-speed automatic, RWD

Location: Santa Fe, NM

Odometer reading: 87,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

Now this, right here, is a damn fine automobile. The W114/115 chassis cars from Mercedes were built during a time when the company didn’t give a shit about status, or styling trends, or gadgets; the only thing that mattered was making the best car possible. That single-minded pursuit of excellence is what made this car a status symbol; once upon a time, quality was cool. And this is the coolest version Mercedes ever built: the W115 pillarless hardtop coupe. Style may not have been this car’s primary focus, but boy, does it have it.

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I was a little confused by this ad at first, because it’s listed as a 250, which should mean a 2.5-liter engine. But the seller clearly states, among many other details, that it’s a 2.8. I looked it up, and sure enough, in 1970 Mercedes used the larger 2.8-liter engine in US-market cars with 250 badges to offset the power loss from newly-required emissions controls. It’s fed by twin Zenith carburetors, and drives the rear wheels through a four-speed automatic. The seller tells us that this is a three-owner car, but the same mechanic has taken care of it its whole life. It runs and drives fine, and the seller is confident it could be driven daily.

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It looks good inside, and we all know that M-B Tex upholstery will outlive us all. The seller does say that the dash top is cracked, which is no surprise in the southwestern sun, and it currently has a cover on it. I do like that it’s old enough to have the cool steering wheel with a ring for the horn button, and a column-mounted shifter. It feels more special than the black plastic steering wheel and gated floor-mounted shifter that was so ubiquitous in 1970s and 80s Benzes.

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It has a couple of blemishes outside, but nothing major. I do kind of wish it were a more exciting color, but this taupe-gray suits it well. And since it’s a 1970 model, it escapes the indignity of the 5 MPH bumpers that later W114s had to deal with. Oh, and before you ask: yes, it’s a proper hardtop. The rear quarter windows do roll down.

1981 Pontiac Phoenix SJ – $2,950

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Photo: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 2.8-liter OHV V6, four-speed manual, FWD

Location: El Paso, TX

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Odometer reading: 116,000 miles

Operational status: Runs and drives well

This one isn’t such a fine car. It is, however, a very important car, at least in the history of General Motors. The front-wheel-drive X-body, introduced in 1980, was a sales success in all its forms, but due to its half-baked design and shoddy construction, it was a disaster as well. Recalls and lawsuits plagued the X-body throughout its run, but GM kept refining and improving the design. The basic architecture established by this car was the basis for GM’s FWD cars for the next three decades. Chevy’s version, the Citation, is the most famous version, but here we have the Pontiac flavor, known as the Phoenix.

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Photo: Craigslist seller

This Phoenix has an uncommon drivetrain combination: it has the optional 2.8-liter V6, but with a manual transmission. It’s a four-speed, and if I remember right, fourth gear is an overdrive. In 1981, the V6 had a two-barrel carburetor and put out 110 horsepower, hardly a fire-breather, but pretty good for the time. The seller says it runs “excellent,” but it’s being sold by a dealer, so don’t expect any history with it.

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Inside, it’s in surprisingly good shape. The upholstery is faded, in a specific pattern that makes me think it was parked regularly in the sun in the same place. But everything is intact, except for a couple of cracks in the dash top. The seller makes a big deal out of pointing out that it has air conditioning, which leads me to believe it works. Otherwise, why draw attention to it?

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This two-door notchback coupe style wasn’t offered on the Chevy Citation; it was strictly a Buick/Olds/Pontiac bodystyle. It’s all original and rust-free, but the paint is hammered. That hot desert sun really does a number on cars. This looks like a good candidate for trying out a DIY paint job, if you were so inclined.

These two are a classic example of how two cars can be similar on paper, but completely different in reality. On one hand, you have a finely-crafted example of German engineering, and on the other, a classic exercise in GM badge engineering. One has a smooth inline six driving the rear wheels, and the other has a V6 with a stickshift, making the front wheels torque-steer. It sounds like an easy choice, except that the Mercedes probably doesn’t have air conditioning, and it costs considerably more. You’ve got a whole three-day weekend to decide if it’s worth it.

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JDE
JDE
4 months ago

OK, the Pheonix needs to be bought by an enthusiast and saved the likely fate of getting sent across the border soon and then trashed, but it is still never going to be a more desirable deal compared to that big Merc. I might actually buy both if I was looking for Cheap old cars though. The stick and functioning AC (for Now) is pretty rare and would be fun to drive around town I suppose.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
4 months ago
Reply to  JDE

I’d buy it for a 1k. Decent and cheap transport for a couple years if you treat it semi decent? Sounds like a win to me.

LTDScott
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LTDScott
4 months ago

The notchback body style WAS available on the Citation. They even made a small number of X-11 notchbacks.

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IRegertNothing, Esq.
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IRegertNothing, Esq.
4 months ago

This really isn’t a fair fight. You have a Mercedes from when Mercedes didn’t half-ass or even 9/10ths-ass anything going up against a parts bin special that GM probably didn’t think would last more than 7 years in regular use. As much as I find the Pontiac to be an interesting unlikely survivor, it can’t compete with that panzer of a car.

Last edited 4 months ago by IRegertNothing, Esq.
My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
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My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
4 months ago

Agreed. This was a contest of not a single half-ass / ‘good enough’ element acceptable on a vehicle versus a car that was entirely half-assed. Maybe even quarter-assed.

You keep the Pontiac around for the same reason you put a Morris Marina in a museum: as a warning from history.

Last edited 4 months ago by My Other Car is a Tetanus Shot
ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
4 months ago

My first thought was, this is about the most lopsided “contest” we have had here so far. Numbers confirm. Malaise Detroit vs. Mercedes somewhere around their peak. Hmmmm, let me think about it for a….ok, picked one.

Church
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Church
4 months ago

How much for the Land Cruiser, though?

Edit: I’m kidding, of course. I absolutely hate when people who respond to ads asking if cars in the background are for sale.

Last edited 4 months ago by Church
PlugInPA
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PlugInPA
4 months ago

Bafflingly I see a Pontiac Phoenix driving around my town in Pennsylvania. I assume it only recently got here because otherwise it would just be dust in the wind.

Lori Hille
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Lori Hille
4 months ago

You had me at pillarless coupe!

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
4 months ago

Before you thrash that Pontiac in the comments, just please… hear me out in this:

The car has no redeeming qualities.

What? You thought I was going to defend it? It’s not a Corvair. Or a Pinto. Or an Iron Duke Camaro.

JDE
JDE
4 months ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

Pinto’s and Iron Duke Camaros are less interesting than this one though. that in itself is kind of redeeming. Working AC and a stick are the main reasons I even give a crap about the old girl.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  JDE

Pintos are actually oddly cool cars though. They handle quite well, and that four was the basis of a whole bunch of performance Fords on the other side of the pond. There was even a Pinto race class in SCCA racing back in the day. A four-cylinder Camaro is an abomination though.

SkepticalDad
SkepticalDad
4 months ago

On cracker A: fine caviar
On cracker B: discount cat food

Which will you choose, dear reader?

D-dub
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D-dub
4 months ago
Reply to  SkepticalDad

Expired discount cat food from a dented can

Last edited 4 months ago by D-dub
Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
4 months ago
Reply to  SkepticalDad

You spelled turd wrong.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
4 months ago
Reply to  SkepticalDad

Tough call actually. Both taste the same to me.

ImissmyoldScout
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ImissmyoldScout
4 months ago

That’s a Phoenix that will never rise from the ashes.

JDE
JDE
4 months ago

I don’t know, a 3.8 v6 would likely fit in there pretty easily, but it would still be a FWD v6 car from a terrible time for cars.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
4 months ago

87,000 miles?!? Damn! That Benz hasn’t even been broken in yet. Even if it is a 5-digit odo that has rolled over once or twice, that thing has a decade or five left in it.

As for the Phoenix, as the saying goes, if you can’t say anything nice…

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
4 months ago

So, Pontiac had a cultural blockbuster with the late 70’s Firebird Trans Am, and some genius in Detroit said; “Hey, let’s capitalize on that with this new vanilla folder of boxy malaise – I call it “Phoenix!”

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
4 months ago

As of now, there are three votes for the Pontiac. I suspect those are unintentional or a joke, but part of me wonders if those votes are from Russian AI bots sowing chaos. A vote for the Pontiac is inexplicable. It was a terrible car when new, and it ain’t been new in a while. It is also overpriced. I’m not sure I would pay $2950 for that car if it had $2900 worth of gold bullion stashed in the trunk. The Benz, on the other hand, was a great car when new and appears to have been maintained well. It is the obvious choice.

If you voted for the Pontiac and are NOT a Russian AI bot, please explain.

Last edited 4 months ago by The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
World24
World24
4 months ago

Since you asked: the main reason is the stick shift. I want to drive more stick shifts in my life, and I could take pretty much whatever I can, even if it’s a certified shitbox.
A secondary reason is DaimlerChrysler, but I saw manual, so the Pontiac was my choice anyways.

The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
4 months ago
Reply to  World24

That makes sense. Thanks for the reply – I was genuinely curious.

I understand wanting a car with a manual transmission. My daily drivers for 20+ years all had manual transmissions. It sucks they have gone away in normal cars. I still have two manual transmission classic cars, but it would be nice to be able to daily something with the correct number of pedals.

I’m surprised the third pedal is enough to vote for this car over the Benz, though. This isn’t a typical shitbox showdown where neither car is desirable and votes are for the lesser of two evils. The Benz is actually nice and reasonably priced.

Last edited 4 months ago by The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
World24
World24
4 months ago

Oh, I gave you the other reason: DaimlerChrysler.
I could care less if it’s an older Mercedes. I’ll never touch a one of their products in my life, especially as long as people actively blame Chrysler for what Daimler told them to do.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
4 months ago
Reply to  World24

One of my high school best friends had a Phoenix with a stick. A relatively new car at the time. Trust me, you do NOT want one with a stick. For the best simulation of what it is like to drive, get a Nautilus workout machine. Put 200lbs of the rubber bands on, and push it with your left leg. For the shifter, a broom handle in a bucket of ice. Which had gearing in the first two gears suitable for chasing squirrels up trees, then a gap like the grand canyon to the top two gears where 4th cancelled out what little power the thing had completely. His was the four, but the whopping extra 20hp or so of the V6 doesn’t make ANY difference in these epic turds. And they ride and handle like a shopping cart with a bad wheel. It was replaced by a stickshift K-car that felt like a BMW in comparison. His father got them as company cars, then would buy them when the company lease was up. The K-car was replaced by a Taurus MT-5. He really liked his stickshifts, but the company budget was not high.

I am all for “save the manuals”, but this car is irredeemable.

Jonathan Green
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Jonathan Green
4 months ago

The problem was that it was up against that Merc, at a great price for the car. That’s why I voted for the MB, particularly when the Pontiac was a little pricy and and weathered…

But having had an X car with a 6 when I was in college, the only reason we got rid of it was it had a bad head gasket. It was 7 years old at that time, and my dad wasn’t about to put any money into that car.

GreatFallsGreen
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GreatFallsGreen
4 months ago

The listing shows 67k on the clock for the Pontiac, but even if had a third of the miles…3 grand? Is it funny or something?

Tbird
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Tbird
4 months ago

Fly to Santa Fe, buy the Mercedes and have every confidence I could drive it back home to PA.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago

If the Pontiac was mint, had half the miles, and a full folder of service records, it still wouldn’t win.

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago

If the Mercedes had the corpses of two drug lords in it, I’d still buy it, take it to Albuquerque, drive on a tour of Breaking Bad filming locations just for the lulz, then drive it 2 straight days across Texas at 20 over the limit.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 months ago
Reply to  Ash78

Let’s be honest, the two corpses don’t even need to be drug lords. They could be drug peons and we’d still choose it.

Hautewheels
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Hautewheels
4 months ago

Götterdämmerung! How could anyone vote against that gorgeous Mercedes?
I would daily the crap out of it, secure in the knowledge that it would last until the day dawned on Ragnarok, and beyond. When the last of the gods has fallen, that Benz will be humming along.

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  Hautewheels

Speaking of Wagner, we should start with a thick coat of spray paint!

Ideally with a valkyrie on the hood.

D-dub
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D-dub
4 months ago

That Phoenix is currently in the “ashes” phase of its life cycle.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
4 months ago

Some contrary mother fucker just had to ruin the 100%.

D-dub
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D-dub
4 months ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

If @RealHardiBro starts tweeting threats at all of us, it’ll be 51-50 in favor of the Pontiac.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

COTD nomination LOL

Ash78
Ash78
4 months ago

I knew it was a holiday coming up, but I didn’t think it was April 1st.

Do I even need to announce my vote? Nah.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
4 months ago

An Auto that beats a manual? I’m shocked.

Rusty S Trusty
Rusty S Trusty
4 months ago

Going for a 100% win with this one?

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
4 months ago

I voted for the Benz.

LOL so far not even one vote for the other car. THAT is how bad those X-body cars are 😛

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
4 months ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Eh, I’d drive the Phoenix without complaint. But that Nerc is just too good to pass up.

ExAutoJourno
ExAutoJourno
4 months ago

Pay more, get the Benz.

Having had a little experience with X-body cars in the past, I would have voted for a tired Mercury Tracer before I would have gone with the Poncho.

Besides, the Mercedes appears to have been kept up pretty well, has that sweet six underhoodand I could live with the dash crack until I saved up enough to have it replaced/recovered.

MEK
MEK
4 months ago

You would have to pay me to take that Pontiac. Even if the MB didn’t run I’d rather have it as a lawn ornament.

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