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The 2026 Ineos Grenadier’s Steering Sucks A Bit Less And Its Electronics Suck A Bit More

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The 2026 Ineos Grenadier is the greatest new overlanding vehicle in the world. It’s not the greatest off-road vehicle (its size and limited stock articulation/ground clearance hurt it on the rocks, and its heft and solid front axle hurt it in the dunes), but as an overlanding platform, it is simply sensational, with a stout ladder frame, solid axles you’d expect to find on a tractor, kingpin steering, skid plates, locking differentials, and on and on. The thing is a beast, and I have lauded it as the unstoppable old-school off-roader that everyone has dreamed would make a comeback. My biggest criticism, though, has been its steering, which requires drivers to put lots of force into straightening the wheel after a turn. Well, Ineos just addressed that in the 2026 model, and now my biggest criticism is a tie between the steering and a new annoying electronic nanny.

I have to keep this review brief because I’m in the middle of rebuilding my WWII Jeep’s transfer case ahead of the Easter Jeep Safari, but the short of it is: Ineos invited me to Malibu to try out the 2026 Grenadier, whose major updates include “a new steering box [that] features a variable ratio for the first time…upgraded climate control components to improve the
performance and predictability of heating and cooling within the cabin,..[and] advanced safety systems (ADAS) [that] have been upgraded where required to meet the latest
regulations.” What I found, in the time I wasn’t shoving free lunch down my gullet but actually driving the vehicle, was that the 2026 Grenadier took a step forward and a step backwards.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

The new steering is better, but still disappointing.

Ineos Grenadier 1

Ineos will talk to you about how bad steering is just a byproduct of an off-road vehicle with a solid axle design, but this just isn’t true. I daily-drive a 1991 Jeep Wrangler YJ and a 1992 Jeep Comanche; I have owned multiple Jeep Grand Wagoneer SJs, multiple ZJ Grand Cherokees, multiple XJ Cherokees, a Jeep J10, and on and on. All of these vehicles are equipped with solid front axles, and every single one of them has better steering than the Ineos Grenadier — both the 2025 model and maybe even this new 2026.

Ineos Highway

To be sure, the 2026 seems like an improvement. With the new variable-rate steering box with an updated worm gear, the middle 45 degrees in either direction (quarter turn) of steering is quicker. The result is that the highway drive seems to require less steering input to keep the car pointed straight, which leads to less wandering.

But the highway drive was never my biggest complaint with the Grenadier, it was the poor steering self-centering. When you take a sharp, 90-degree turn, you used to have to hack away at the steering wheel to undo your steering input in order to avoid ramming into the curb on the right side of the road (or left, if you’re in the UK, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, Malta, etc.). That problem still exists on the 2026, though it doesn’t seem as pronounced as it did before, likely a result of of changes to the power steering assist (if I understand correctly, it now reduces assist during sharp turns) and to that steering ratio (which requires fewer steering wheel turns to straighten the tires back out).

If I had to guess, this persistent steering-centering issue is a byproduct of the steering’s fundamental design.

Dana 44 Pinion Angle
Image: ProRock 44

Typically, a vehicle’s tendency to naturally correct its steering is a function of caster. Caster is the reason why the “caster wheels” on your shopping cart will line up with the direction of travel, and why you don’t have to bend down and steer those wheels to go where you want to. On a solid axle, caster is actually set by the shape of the axle housing itself. Specifically, what matters is the location of the kingpins/ball joints, as the upper and lower create the steering axis about which the knuckle/tire turns when you move the steering wheel.

To provide caster needed for good aligning/centering torque, the upper kingpin/ball joint is usually located aft of the lower, as you can see in the TJ ProRock 44 solid axle above. This creates the “leaned back” steering axis which gives good caster.

 

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 7.41.25 am
Image: Ineos
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Image: Ineos

The Ineos Grenadier was developed by some really smart engineers who know far more about steering caster and kingpin inclination than I do, so I’m just guessing here. But it does seem to me that the lack of self-aligning torque is likely something fundamental to the axle design, or else Ineos would have done something about it.

The Grenadier’s front suspension, shown in the graphics above, borrows the five-link design pioneered by AMC on the 1984 Jeep Cherokee XJ (two upper control arms, two lowers, and a track bar). But unlike that Jeep and every solid-axle Jeep that came after it, the Ineos utilizes kingpins instead of ball joints.

For reference, here’s a look at ball joints:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 8.20.41 am
Image: Currie

And here is the closed-knuckle kingpin design on my WWII Jeep — a similar design to the Ineos’:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 9.35.53 am

In case you’re curious, a ball joint looks like this. It’s just a ball in a socket, with some grease in between:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 9.10.07 am
Image: Moog
Ball Joint Moog
Image: Moog

Whereas a kingpin uses roller bearings:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 9.19.38 am
Image: eBay

Those roller bearings have their outer race in the axle housing itself:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 9.16.41 am

The inner race sits around a cap that bolts to the steering knuckle:

Screenshot 2026 01 28 At 9.17.38 am

Anyway, a Redditor named naks26 has a nice photo of the Grenadier’s kingpins, and while it doesn’t show a lot of caster to my naked eye, part of me also wonders if kingpin bearings are just higher-friction than ball joints — not just because of the bearings vs the ball joint, but because of the grease wipers used to contain the lubricant in the closed knuckle design. Extra drag could contribute to the wheel not centering itself as easily when you complete a turn. [Note: At least one longtime Land Cruiser owner used to kingpin steering say this centering issue isn’t a problem on their vehicle, leading me to think that perhaps this is just a caster issue. -DT]

Photo of the front axle from a production vehicle
byu/naks26 inineosgrenadier

I’ve gone back and forth on whether I think Ineos made a mistake going with the closed-knuckle kingpin design, which is causing drivability issues for a very, very limited advantage for only the most hardcore of off-roaders.

If we’re being honest, ball joints are extremely tough, plus they’re cheap and easy to service. But given what this vehicle is all about — being the hardest-core off-roader there is — and given that kingpins are stronger than ball joints… I get it. If you’re going to go all-out, go all-out.

Ineos Canyons

Anyway, the steering isn’t good, but it’s better, and it’s something you can get used to. One thing I’m not sure I can get used to is the new Emergency Lane Keeping system, or ELK.

Because the Grenadier does not feature electric power steering, it has no mechanism by which to nudge the steering wheel to keep the vehicle in its lane. So, for regulatory reasons, Ineos is using a lane-keeping system that clamps one of the rear brakes in order to create a moment/torque that tries to turn the vehicle. It’s terrible.

On a vehicle as tall and softly sprung as the Grenadier, having a rear brake activated when you’re not ready for it upsets the vehicle and its driver, resulting — at least in my case — in a slightly higher driving position now that I’m sitting on a steaming mound. Like I said, it’s terrible, though luckily you can turn it off.

Grenadier Rocks

Do any of these criticisms — the bad steering and the bad lane-keeping system, as well as the unacceptable lack of a front-camera on a 2026 off-road vehicle and the strange lack of a disconnecting sway bar to get the most out of that axle that compromises the ride and handling — actually matter? The answer is, of course, no. No they do not. Because just look at the amazing off-road readouts and switchgear in this interior:

Grenadier Inside

Grenadier Sunroof

Look at all the room:

Switches Grenadier

Grenadier Rear Seats

Grenadier Cargo

Look at this phenomenal BMW-sourced inline-six whose torque delivery feels like a perfect for this off-road machine:

Grenadier Motor

And most importantly, look what this beast can do:

Grenadier Mud

Grenadier Flex

Grenadier Lift

We rammed this thing into some hills, and that steel front bumper shrugged it off like a champ:Grenadier Steel Bumper

The truth is, Ineos’ biggest problem isn’t its product. The Grenadier is perfectly imperfect — a fantastic, purpose-built off-roader that gets an A+ for “performance of intended function.” It looks good, I think it’s priced right at about $71,000, and I myself would love to own one.

No, Ineos has a humongous marketing problem. Two years ago, when I took a Grenadier to Moab to propose to my now-wife, even off-road diehards were stopping me asking what the vehicle was. During the 2026 Grenadier press drive last week, while we took a break at a hotel, a couple walked up and asked us the same question.

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I get that Ineos is new, but come on. How does nobody know what the heck this thing is? Ineos, for 2026, decided to put the name “Grenadier” nice and big on all of its rear-mounted spare tires to help with marketing. The brand says it’s working on other partnerships/product placement, and it did recently work with Donut Media on a cool video.

But the brand has a long way to go. And I, as a diehard off-roader, hope it gets there so it can keep making soulful, capable machines that too many automakers have sadly given up on.

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Cayde-6
Cayde-6
1 month ago

“predictability of heating and cooling within the cabin”

Was… the heating and cooling in the cabinet *not* predictable before? Did the HVAC system roll a D20 when you turn it on?

JVCinSC
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JVCinSC
1 month ago

David: “I have to keep this review brief…”

Proceeds to give a 20 page engineering dissertation on the how’s and the why’s of the history of off road steering with more examples and figures than a text book.

Love the depth, never change!

Johnny Ohio
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Johnny Ohio
1 month ago

I saw one of these outside of the Liberty tunnel in Pittsburgh broke down. The dude just got out of it and left it there and walked to the sidewalk to call someone. That screwed up that area’s already crappy traffic.

Defenestrator
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Defenestrator
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnny Ohio

Wow, they really did go all-in making it a Defender clone.

Who Knows
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Who Knows
1 month ago

My idiotic guess at the cause of the non-centering steering:

The vehicle was designed in England, where they drive on the wrong side of the road, with the driver on the wrong side as well.

To move from right hand drive to left hand drive, things were simply flipped right to left, including the front axle.

Flipping the front axle around the vehicle axis also flipped it upside down, reversing the castor angle.

The reversed castor angle is backwards and is bad for steering return to center, and instead returns to the limits.

I’m not sure what happened to the now upside down spring perches.

Australia does not have the steering issue.

Last edited 1 month ago by Who Knows
Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Who Knows

“… in England, where they drive on the wrong side of the road, with the driver on the wrong side as well.”

That’s about the Most American thing I’ve read here today.

Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and Japanese drive on the left.
Because if they drove on the wrong side of the road, they’d be on the right facing oncoming traffic.

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Johnologue
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Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

You’ve named 4 islands with a collective population of around 225 million (very rough search + math on demographics), including some of the most sparsely-populated countries in the world with NZ/Australia.
According to Wikipedia, it appears left-hand traffic also applies to India and southern Africa.

Still, I think it’s fair to say that right-hand traffic is the overwhelming majority of the world and not an “American” thing. The left-hand traffic countries are “the weird ones”.

DNF
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DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

Some theories are that it has to do with travel by horse or on foot versus wagon.
May be related to keeping your sword hand free for defense?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

While they are certainly the minority in their difference – – the idea that they are “wrong” is absurd and condescending.

Davedave
Davedave
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

The correct side of the road is the one the UK etc al drive on. Driving on the other side was a Napoleonic idiocy done purely to be different, that unfortunately spread around the world. It’s objectively worse.

Reasonable Pushrod
Reasonable Pushrod
1 month ago
Reply to  Davedave

What is objectively worst about it?

Davedave
Davedave
1 month ago

There’s a reason everyone used to drive on the left. Driving on the right was just done to be different. Higher crash rates and so-on are the consequence.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0967070X21002869

Basically, the hypothesis is that driving on the left works better because the typically dominant right eye is better positioned. In manual cars, right handers are also steering with their dominant hand while changing gear, pressing buttons, and so-on with their left hand.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
13 days ago
Reply to  Davedave

Saw a meme today that depicted a guy steering with his left hand and his right hand on the gear lever. He was saying “I’m driving with the hand that I can’t even feed myself cereal with”.

Mouse
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Mouse
1 month ago
Reply to  Johnologue

If left-hand is standard in India…that’s 1.5 billion people.

Johnologue
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Johnologue
1 month ago
Reply to  Mouse

Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and Japanese drive on the left.

That was the ~225. I added India and the others. I didn’t give a total count because my point was only that right-hand driving isn’t “American”, and India is next to China, which…huh. 1.4 billion. TIL India passed China in population count.

Who Knows
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Who Knows
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I thought it was obvious the entire thing was a stupid joke

Colin Greening
Colin Greening
1 month ago
Reply to  Who Knows

It’s 2026 my guy, you should be assuming the worst about everyone by default and never give the benefit of the doubt!!

Who Knows
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Who Knows
1 month ago
Reply to  Colin Greening

True, considering the regular news is 1000x as ridiculous as anything the onion comes up with

DNF
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DNF
1 month ago
Reply to  Who Knows

I have a solid axle 4WD truck, but I’m still not sure I believe it’s possible to steer a solid axle at all!

MrLM002
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MrLM002
1 month ago

TBH Ineos screwed up by going with proprietary tractor axles. They should have went with Dana 60s front and rear for all the aftermarket benefits they provide.

Utherjorge, who is quite angry about the baby FJ
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Utherjorge, who is quite angry about the baby FJ
1 month ago
Reply to  MrLM002

but then they could be serviced by anyone, and not by Ineos service…which is actually not a thing, so….ok, you’re right

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Hey Dave you explain why Caster is why wheels on a grocery cart all point in the same direction, can you explain why on every grocery cart I get one wheel always faces in a different direction?

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

Marketing problem?
I mean it has been placed in a few movies and TV shows…
…including Hotel Costiera and Mission: Impossible.
https://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-Ineos_model-Grenadier.html

Or is it that it looks too much like an ancient Defender 110/G Class mashup – so when people see it they think “I should find me an old Land Rover/G Class”

Last edited 1 month ago by Urban Runabout
Kyle Brant
Kyle Brant
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

The guy who founded the company bought the design to the defender, he loved it so much

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Kyle Brant

Radcliffe tried to buy the rights and tooling to the L316 Defender. JLR told him to get bent. The Grenadier is the result of his fit of pique.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
1 month ago

Look at this phenomenal BMW-sourced inline-six whose torque delivery feels like a perfect for this off-road machine:

I’d like to. Pity, it seems to be completely obscured by a massive, upside-down plastic dishpan…

Yes, I know those covers are expected for sound insulation these days, as well as often being necessary to direct airflow in the engine compartment. But I still miss being able to see the entire engine, and easily inspect wiring and hoses in there as on older cars.

ESBMW@Work
ESBMW@Work
1 month ago

I’m sure spending half the marketing budget on a middling professional road cycling team (sry Bernal Truthers) isn’t helping things.

Last edited 1 month ago by ESBMW@Work
VanGuy
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VanGuy
1 month ago

I love the look of all those physical buttons in there.
But I am not an off-roader and it’s certainly out of my price range, anyway.

OrigamiSensei
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OrigamiSensei
1 month ago

I like the idea, these are cool vehicles. Who doesn’t love the old school Defender look? Unfortunately here in San Diego the owner demographics overlap pretty hard with the average G-wagen owner. It’s all about the flash and the outdoor life cosplay because most of these things aren’t hitting anything more rugged than a parking curb.

Kelly
Kelly
1 month ago
Reply to  OrigamiSensei

you would think the valet at the country club would have figured out the ‘driving over a curb’ problem by now.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

From those images, It looks like an aftermarket sway bar disconnect for a jeep could work, the kind with the removable pins.

Phil
Phil
1 month ago

As a 4Runner owner who wants to see some competition in the traditional body-on-frame 4×4 SUV segment, count me as thoroughly un-enamored with the Grenadier. It’s too big, too heavy, too kitschy. It’s the only vehicle I’m aware of that has managed the smother the BMW B58 into milquetoast acceleration.

I think the reason no one knows what it is, is because it’s aping every ancient Land Rover in Africa styling cue people have seen in movies and nature shows for decades.

Fruit Snack
Fruit Snack
1 month ago

There is no excuse for that BMW shifter, no matter what the Ineos people say. Put a little effort into it.

DaFaRo
DaFaRo
1 month ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

I mean, if Morgan customers seem unbothered… Igneos can get away with it.

David Frisby
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David Frisby
1 month ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

I’ve seen posts on Grenadier Facebook pages that some people have swapped the shifter for the Toyota Supra shifter which looks a lot more like its designed to be there.

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

They can’t change it, because whole powertrain including the gearbox and shifter, are purchased from BMW as a homologated system. Morgan has the same issue.

Fruit Snack
Fruit Snack
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

So buy another vehicle that is properly engineered, got it.

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Fruit Snack

It is properly engineered. Morgan and Ineos literally cannot change any part of the homologated system without retesting and recertifying the whole thing, which is incredibly expensive and time consuming. That is if BMW allowed them to do it, which i suspect they don’t.

Last edited 1 month ago by Adrian Clarke
James Colangelo
James Colangelo
1 month ago

These look neat, but I can’t imagine buying one. Optioned up, these are closer to 6-figure cars. The amount of car I can get instead is overwhelmingly good.

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1 month ago

I really hope Ineos succeeds. I think these are pretty cool vehicles and they seem to be priced competitively. No one knows what the hell they are though and if you do you’d have to be willing to take a flier on a vehicle with an unknown reliability track record and a brand that may not be around to support them going forward. I’d be interested in knowing how much off the shelf components were used, aside from the BMW engine how much can be bought and serviced if Ineos isn’t around.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

I think that they are too expensive. They initially advertised a lower price (not shocking) that would be more in line with the top tier prices for Broncos, Wranglers, Land Cruisers, and 4runners. But all of those similar use products are now much cheaper.

LastStandard
LastStandard
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Yeah, adding nothing but the locking diffs, heated seats and tow pack you’re at $76k. Make that about $20k cheaper and I’d seriously be looking at one for a next vehicle.

Ash78
Ash78
1 month ago

Marketing problem, indeed. I see them about once a week (we have a huge contingent of upper-class “dads”, or maybe “unks,” who are really into dressing their vehicles up for overlanding, despite a lack of overlanding opportunities here).

It’s the car for someone who wants a vintage Defender but doesn’t want to pay $70k for a kit version or a used import. They get a warranty, modern(ish) electronics, and LOTS more obscure bragging rights than the 100x more popular new Land Cruiser/Lexus GX for a pretty comparable price.

But they’ll never get over “Dude what kind of Land Rover is that?!”

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago

Hard core off roaders have plenty of existing options with vast parts back up and knowledge already – especially the Wrangler, which also has brand image on its side. You can now import reasonably modern 2000 Defenders, which again have vest aftermarket support. And of course there’s the Bronco.

Posers have plenty of new options too, including the current Defender and G Wagen. So who exactly is the Grenadier for? It’s not gaining much traction in the UK because of whose product it is, and a cringe marketing campaign trying to bait Land Rover didn’t help.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I think that the Grenadier priced too high. I know they are trying to keep is as affordable as possible. I will someday replace my JKU and really want a Grenadier for the space and capability but If I can get a Rubicon x, Land Cruiser, 4runner trailhunter, or Bronco Sasquatch for less I will do that. If the Grenadier would be in that mix price wise, but it is not.

Last edited 1 month ago by 4jim
Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Whose product is it?

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Some cringe billionaire’s pet project. Similar foot in mouth as what Elon did to Tesla although not as bad.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago

Oh. Yeah I hate that.

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Sir Jim Radcliffe, owner of the Ineos chemicals conglomerate and one of the UK’s richest assholes. Goes on about Britain first while being a hypocritical tax exile who lives in Monaco (needless to say he backed Brexit). Bought a controlling stake in Manchester United and decided the best way to save money was laying off loads of loyal salaried backroom staff and ending free canteen. Now he wants a new stadium and has his hand out for a government contribution.
Grenadier began as an ego project out of spite because LR wouldn’t sell him the old Defender tooling. Thus the Grenadier was going to be a ‘proudly built in Britain’ car with his investment. Ends up getting the old Smart factory in Europe at a knock down price and builds the thing there.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Damn. Sounds like a real stand up dude.

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

I am enjoying the tragicomedy of the continuing Manchester United implosion as much as any well adjusted soccer fan, but even I thought sacking career staffers in backroom roles was beyond the fucking pale.

SNL-LOL Jr
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SNL-LOL Jr
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

United beat Man Shitty and Arse-anal in successive weekends, so there’s that.

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  SNL-LOL Jr

I am living for Arsenal choking in their pursuit of the league title. Was hoping Villa might mount a serious challenge.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
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Amberturnsignalsarebetter
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

It’s not over yet! We might be running out of functioning legs to stand on, but I’ll keep believing for as long as I can. UTV!

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Yea that. I kinda dig it but at near 90k for a sweet spot one this is kinda nuts. Plus the ponderous weight. I’d get a new defender for this cash and have far more use cases, I don’t need to plow the hills with my front bumper, thanks.

V8 Fairmont Longroof
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V8 Fairmont Longroof
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Here in Upside-downland, they are popping up everywhere in the nicer suburbs – in wagon form only. I’d wager replacing Rangies, Discos etc with the ‘old money’ set. Rarely see a Quartermaster, and I live around corner from dealership.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
1 month ago

There’s a CJDR dealer near me that carries random other new brands and has a ton of the wagons on the lot. I’ve never seen a quartermaster there and forget that it exists.

The Grenadiers took the place of all the Vinfasts. And the Alfa Romeos before that…

Davedave
Davedave
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Who is it for? Well, if you believe Ratcliffe genuinely believes what he claims to believe, it’s for all those poor Defender buyers who are being forced by the NWO and the ‘you know who* government’ to buy ‘woke’ cars instead of what they ‘really’ want.

*It rhymes…

Adrian Clarke
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Adrian Clarke
1 month ago
Reply to  Davedave

Before it went out of production the L316 Defender was barely selling 20k units a year at forty grand. How Radcliffe thought there was a business model at eighty grand without the name or heritage is beyond me. Probably spent too long on the Pistonheads forums reading the five inbreds shouting that L663 wasn’t a Defender.

Ricardo M
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Ricardo M
1 month ago

I think Ineos’ marketing will continue to run into 2 main issues:

Their target customer base is obsessed with “dependability” and will not buy anything that doesn’t have half a century’s (perceived) track record.

And they’re the one legitimate maker of new Defender replicas drowning in a sea of restomod Defenders. Much like RUF now has to deal with Singer and Tuthill cramping their style, Ineos has to explain to its buyers, who (see section one) will be reluctant to believe that a BMW engine is better than an LS swap in an identical-looking car that doesn’t have to meet modern emissions regs anymore.

It’s an uphill battle, and I hope Ineos manages to pull it off, because the vehicles are decidedly cool, but I have a feeling they’ll just remain “the fake Land Rover” unless they launch aggressive marketing campaigns.

Last edited 1 month ago by Ricardo M
RC
RC
1 month ago

I know two guys here in Utah who own them. Neither of them were in G-wagon demographic; they were cross-shopping Land Cruisers/Lexus equivalent, and neither of them had owned Land Rover products before. Both of them spend considerable time in the desert with bikes and the like. Not hard-core offroaders, but looking for something that’ll handle moderate dirt trails in places like the San Rafael Swell or North Wash.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
1 month ago

Are you going to have the chance to try out the new portal axle version of these any time soon? I’m curious how different it feels to you both on and off road with that setup.

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

I have no interest in owning one of these, but I’m glad they exist for those who want a modern replacement or alternative to an old Land Rover Defender or Mercedes G-Class.

Andrew Daisuke
Andrew Daisuke
1 month ago

They’re cruising the grade school pickup lane just fine in Seattle though. Not quite Rivian numbers yet, but they’re getting cheaper.

Angrycat Meowmeow
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Angrycat Meowmeow
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew Daisuke

I’m sure they chose a Grenadier for the powerhouse B58/ZF8 combo. It’s a shame they don’t sell them in anything better suited to that task.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

I live near a dealership and i see these on the highway but nobody in my local overlanding group know anything about them and some of these guys will spend at least the same money on 4runners, Land Cruisers and Rubicons. I had a closed knuckle Jeepster. I get the attraction but Jeep has solid axle steering down. Ineos should reverse engineer something to improve their steering.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Jeep has solid axle steering down”
Raises single eyebrow. Do they though? I think the steering on my 80 series with nearly 400,000 miles is better than a brand new JLU personally.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

Agreed! I have no problems in my 13 year old JKU. It steers just fine.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

It’s not that they are bad…but I can honestly say that I’ve experienced better.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

I have no problems in my 13 year old JKU. It steers just fine.

Pat Rich
Pat Rich
1 month ago

It’s not the closed knuckle that is the problem. Land Cruisers have had closed knuckles with kingpin bearings for some time now and they are fine. The trouble is the castor and the steering geometry for certain.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
1 month ago
Reply to  David Tracy

But the flatfenders only have 3 degrees or less of caster from the factory. Adding caster shims to get them up to 6-7 degrees makes them drive much better.

Abdominal Snoman
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Abdominal Snoman
1 month ago
Reply to  Pat Rich

I agree, I’ve driven my friend’s completely stock 300K 80 series several times both with and without a trailer and I think it’s steering is vastly better than either a 130K GMT400 or 240K GMT800. My only experience with a Wrangler was with a very heavily modified late 90’s model and to this date that was the worst steering I’ve ever felt, but that’s likely due to the modifications and not the vehicle itself as designed.

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