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The $300,000, 800-Horsepower Mustang GTD Is The Wildest Road Car To Ever Come Out Of Detroit – Updated

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I’m going to have to write this number a few times: $300,000. The new street-legal, definitely-front-engined, mostly-a-racecar 2024 Mustang GTD is a $300,000 Mustang. You want another crazy number: sub-7 minutes. This is a $300,000 Mustang designed to go around the famed Nürburgring with a Ferrari-crushing sub-7-minute lap time. I think, post-COVID, everyone at Ford has lost their damn minds. And I’m totally here for it.

UPDATE: You’ll find 20 new photos at the end of the article –Social Media Pete 

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Last night I crowded into a garage near Laguna Seca that usually houses Ford CEO Jim Farley’s small collection of sports/track cars. I was running a little late and all the people who created the car were milling around the just pre-revealed car and one of them politely asked if I had any questions. I stumbled for a second and asked something about the transaxle because, really, the question I wanted to know was: Is there a small gas leak in Dearborn and how do I make sure it never gets fixed?

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This may or may not be the last gasp of internal combustion performance cars, so it would be doing a disservice to mankind to not create a few truly sublime and ridiculous cars on the way out.

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I call this Vegas Buffet Last Plate Syndrome™ and it’s when you’re at a Las Vegas all-you-can-eat luxury buffet and you’ve already filled your plate a couple of times with the variety of all the stuff you think you’ll want (filet mignon, oysters, razor thin crab legs). It’s your last plate. You’re going big. No filler. It’s time to make a giant pancake and fill it with prime rib and shrimp topped with bacon mac-and-cheese and a drizzle of ranch dressing.

Ford has VBLPS™ in the best possible way. Let’s just run through the list of absurdly-cool enthusiast cars they’ve made recently: Focus RS, Bronco Raptor, Ranger Raptor, F150 Raptor R, GT350, GT500, GT, GT Mk IV. GTD — hell, the Maverick itself and all its variants.

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As way of a partial disclosure: It’s fairly well known that I enjoy Ford performance vehicles and that my all-time favorite car is the Ford Escort Cosworth RS, which is a barely road legal version of the rally car. The Mustang GTD is clearly the insane, Lee Petty-to-Richard Petty next generation of the same idea, but with the Ford Mustang GT3 car that’s going to campaign at Le Mans next year.

No one asked for this and I’m not sure I understand why it exists. I asked many people at Ford why and never got an answer that got deeper than because we can, though there’s a subtle acknowledgement that it’s going to be fun to read headlines on websites like this for a few years about all the Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, and other lap times this thing is going to smoke.

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Sure. Great. This thing is bonkers. Let’s all just not ask Ford these “why” questions so it keeps building these cars.

This Is A Street Legal Mustang GT3 Race Car That’s Probably Faster Than The Race Car

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Automakers don’t necessarily like to make a big deal out of the fact that they spend all this money on race cars and, with the ironic exception of stock cars, the road car versions are usually more powerful and faster (To make racing exciting the sanctioning bodies have to make rules, and those rules, inevitably, ban things like active aerodynamic and even restrict the amount of power the motor can make).

Sure, racing sports cars get racing slicks and don’t have CarPlay, but at least one of those problems isn’t hard to solve.

“Mustang GTD shatters every preconceived notion of a supercar,” said Farley, “This is a new approach for us. We didn’t engineer a road car for the track, we created a race car for the road. Mustang GTD takes racing technology from our MustangGT3 race car, wraps it in a carbon fiber Mustang body and unleashes it for the street.”

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Ford and Multimatic–the engineering/race car building Canadian company behind the Ford GT and the builder of the Ford Mustang GT3–only had two obvious restrictions when doing this:

  • It has to start with a Mustang body
  • It has to be street legal

This isn’t a completely-from-the-ground-up car, and it does begin its journey at the same Flat Rock production facility that makes every other Mustang variant, but shortly after that it gets sent to Multimatic’s Canadian facility and basically every other bit gets changed.

Out goes the back seat because you’ll need that to store your helmet and racing suite and HANS-device and snacks on the way to the track. Why not just put it in the trunk? There is no trunk. That’s where this thing goes:

Mustang GTD Transaxle

How To Make A Front-Engined Car Beat A Bunch Of Mid-Engined Ones

I’m not sure if this is obvious to people who do not normally follow the various lap time challenges that automakers put down, but there’s a reason why Chevy went mid-engined for the new C8. Making a car whose heaviest part is in the front with driven wheels in the back creates a physics problem that results in the tires inevitably screaming for mercy.

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Ford is extremely clear that it wants to post a sub-7-minute lap time at the famed Nürburgring track and, yet, that’s not something front-engined cars do easily. With the exception of the also stratospherically-priced AMG GT Black Series, every other sub-7-minute car is mid- or rear-engined. Even the mighty Viper ACR GTS-R couldn’t crack 7 minutes. Is Ford really gunning for the Black Series? It’s a crazy thought but the answer appears to be: Yes.

The only way to reasonably accomplish this with a naturally-aspirated V8 is to move as much of the car to the back. This has been accomplished with a dual-clutch, eight-speed transaxle made by Tremec. A transaxle is, if you were curious, a transmission/differential combo. This isn’t wild technology, as cars like the Nissan GT-R employed a front-engine/rear-transaxle combo. This gives the Ford close to a 50/50 weight distribution.

What’s wild is, clearly: No one thought the Mustang would end up with one, so where the hell do you put it? This is where the GTD’s impressive engineering is most evident. This is where the secret sauce of how all this works exists. Look at this photo:

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That’s the rear suspension. That’s also, if you were curious, a pushrod rear suspension. In a Mustang. In the year-of-our-Lord 2023. We’ll get to all the suspension shenanigans in a bit, but you’ll notice that there’s a big old space in there. That’s where this goes:

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Mustang Gtd Differential

You might ask: What goes where the transmission once was? The interior of the Mustang GTD I saw seemed mostly complete, but the windows were extremely tinted and all you can really make it is there is some sort of interior in there. It’s something to look forward to in a future press release. Were you to be able to crawl under the carbon fiber aero shield underneath you’ll see they built a high-strength, hollow brace that helps keep the massive V8 from flying through the firewall.

All of this is connected to what Ford calls a “purpose-developed” supercharged 5.2-liter V8 with dual air inlets and a dry-sump engine oil system, which is a first for a production Mustang. The GT3 has a 5.4-liter V8. Specific power numbers for the Mustang GTD haven’t been revealed, but the power is said to be above 800 horsepower with a 7,500 RPM redline.

Perhaps as wild as the transaxle setup is the suspension, which is derived from the Mustang setup in the same way the Gran Turismo movie is derived from real life. Up front is the Multimatic-developed adaptive spool valve damper technology that has a dual spring rate/suspension setup. What does that mean? Up front, there are two springs and, when you’re driving around, your GTD drives around with, hopefully, pretty great performance and decent comfort. Get to the track, hit a button, and the front suspension compresses to make, effectively, one spring. Out back, the pushrod setup does essentially the same thing and you end up with a car that’s 40 mm lower and way stiffer.

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There’s so much here that, honestly, we’ll probably have to do a second swing through the car. I haven’t even touched on the diff cooler, which grabs air off the roof at speed and then dumps warm air out of vents in the back via a fan when the car is going slow.

Why Is It The GTD?

Mustang Gtd Wheels

If there’s one slightly confusing bit about the car to most people it’s the name. What does GTD mean? One joke going around is that Ford finally gave the Mustang the Big D. If that’s the concept that people take way from it, that’s fine.

In reality, the term GTD derives from the GTD class the GT3 car will be racing in for the IMSA series. Why not call it the GT3? Probably because of comparison to Porsche they decided not to use GT3. It’s a little confusing. I asked IMSA mechanic and Autopian super friend Bozi Tatarevic about it and he agreed:

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“The Mustang GTD seems like a fun interpretation of a modern day homologation special but the name is bound to cause some confusion when people are trying to Google the Mustang GT3 race car which races in the IMSA GTD class.”

Can You Buy It?

Yes, probably. This isn’t Ferrari. There are limited allocations of the car, much like the Ford GT, but Ford seems like it wants to build as many of these as it reasonably can so that would-be owners can go chase down confused F8 Tributo owners during open track days like a hungry German Shepherd unleashed on a loose squirrel.

The $300,000 Mustang GTD is a car literally no one outside of Ford asked for, but I can’t think of a way to get an American car that’ll go any faster. It’s a supercar killer with a Mustang badge, a bona fide slice of hot, nasty, badass, all-American X-rated speed. How rock and roll is that? Things seem to be going great in Dearborn, just don’t light a match anywhere.

(Photo credits: Ford)

UPDATE – More Photos!

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sentinelTk
sentinelTk
11 months ago

Who had “Ford drops GT3-spec supercar that looks like a Porsche GT3 turned up to 11 with transaxle in the trunk” on their 2023 automotive bingo card? No one? No one. Kudos to Ford on surprising people. Seems like they pull off something like this once a decade (like Project Phoenix)….

Last edited 11 months ago by sentinelTk
Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

Less surprising than their recall record.

Jack Beckman
Jack Beckman
11 months ago

That is one hideous car. And if I’m spending $300k, it’s not going to be on a car designed by the company that leads in recalls over the past few years by a large margin. Points to Ford for building it, but no thank you. I’d much rather have a Ford GT, which looks great. So it’s not like they don’t know how to build beautiful cars.

I also get the “form follows function” argument, but how come Porsche/Ferrari/etc. don’t have hideous cars? They have some pretty nice-looking GT3 cars.

sentinelTk
sentinelTk
11 months ago
Reply to  Jack Beckman

As someone who lives in an area that has a lot of cars that have floormats more expensive than my daily driver, I’d say you miss the point. When it comes to the $300k flex on a car, looks don’t matter as much. Its about being able to pull in to the golf club and tell your pal Dustin, the dentist, that the transmission is in the trunk. And there is the scarcity factor in the other cars you reference. Keith, who owns a successful local insurance underwriter, can’t sniff a Porsche GT3 without being waitlisted for a couple years, let alone afford a GT. But he can head down to Jimbo’s Ford Megastore and drop a $100k deposit on this and feel awesome about himself……

Also, didn’t you race Fords, Jack? Still mad that John took all the spotlight in those years?

Last edited 11 months ago by sentinelTk
Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

Not sure if you want to bring up wait lists as an argument. Look no further than the Bronco, maverick, mach e etc etc

Jack Beckman
Jack Beckman
11 months ago
Reply to  sentinelTk

I never raced Fords. You’re thinking of the more-famous JB. Also, if you think this hideous monster is going to impress anyone at “the club” then I think you may be mistaken. It looks like something put together with the JC Whitney catalog. And as Studdley points out below, if you think this won’t be on a waitlist – when Ford can’t get its *mass-produced* cars off of long waitlists – then I think you’re mistaken again.

V10omous
V10omous
11 months ago

Even the mighty Viper ACR GTS-R couldn’t crack 7 minutes.

To defend my boy a bit, this was a crowd funded private effort, not a manufacturer supported record attempt (like Porsche does), they ran into issues and couldn’t complete as many runs as they wanted, and both professional drivers stated there was an easy 6:XX in the car if they had had more time. As it was, they got a 7:01, which I believe is still the record for a manual transmission car.

Anyways, carry on with Mustang stuff.

My Goat Ate My Homework
My Goat Ate My Homework
11 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

Not to mention, this car hasn’t done it yet. That’s the funny thing about comparing things that actually happened to an engineers hopes and dreams. Dreams are hard to beat.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
11 months ago
Reply to  V10omous

I love that you’re more or less Autopian’s equivalent of Jalopnik’s Bob. All roads lead back to the mighty V10. 🙂

V10omous
V10omous
11 months ago

I knew the solemn responsibility I was taking on when I picked this username.

Sensual Bugling Elk
Sensual Bugling Elk
11 months ago

I miss getting regular updates on Bob’s BMW project, especially when they were entirely unrelated to the article being commented on.

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
11 months ago

But who will take on the responsibility of championing the legendary Accord V6?

TOSSABL
TOSSABL
10 months ago

Or the Dodge minivan? I can’t even remember his name now, but dude was cool: he took plebeian shit and, with a lot of skull & regular sweat, turned it into stuff the factory never even dreamed of. That’s an enthusiast!

David Escargot
David Escargot
11 months ago

David leaves Michigan not even 12 months ago and now they’re up to this….. smh

In all seriousness though, I’m here for it. Let the fireworks begin

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
11 months ago

This is cool, and I love to geek out on the details.

But there’s nothing impressive about competing with supercars if you’re paying supercar money.

Also one of the big justifications for going mid-engined is reduced polar moment of inertia: less resistance to turning. Front engine with a rear transaxle maximises the polar moment. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, because twitchy spinny cars are more risky to push to the limit, but it’s a compromise to ultimate performance.

WaxhawFive
WaxhawFive
11 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

This has always been the argument with this type of arrangement. It’s the opposite of mass centralization, and the 944 and Alfa folks know all about it.

Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Well put.

Axel Portillo
Axel Portillo
11 months ago

Boy howdy do you know how to have fun.

Liven up! All of what you said is probably true, but it’s still pretty rad that Ford did it in this day and age and we can enjoy that fact 🙂 very effective advertising indeed.

Leighzbohns
Leighzbohns
11 months ago
Reply to  Axel Portillo

I’m gonna let you finish but Fnord is allocating these to the lizard people the same way they did the GT, so the stealers are gonna have fewer shenanigans to pull, thank Bob.

Manuel Verissimo
Manuel Verissimo
11 months ago

Huh, that is the first time I see a brake cooling setup like this. It’s interesting, maybe I’ll try and steal the design for my car.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
11 months ago

I’ve not seen it before either. Ramming cold air right to the pads makes a lot of sense.

I guess it depends on having enough clearance outside of the calliper, which used to be tight until all the wheels got too big.

WaxhawFive
WaxhawFive
11 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Except that pads aren’t what you need to be cooling. Rotor cooling with flow inside to out is still the right way. Now if these ducts terminate in a neg. space and create vacuum, then this really does make sense.

Manuel Verissimo
Manuel Verissimo
10 months ago
Reply to  WaxhawFive

I’ve noticed recently that my brake pads paint burns where they are in contact with the caliper. This set up could help cool the pads and the caliper too. Heat is generated at the interface between the disk and the pads, you want to cool them both.

Rust Buckets
Rust Buckets
11 months ago

Is 800+ hp necessarily unmanageable? My first thought was that that number was almost low for a performance car at this price point. I’ve never driven a particularly high horsepower car, but plenty of people build street rods and turbo Miatas that are likely approaching the same power to weight.

Traction control probably won’t let you put down anything approaching 800hp at less than 30mph or so anyways.

Matt Sexton
Matt Sexton
11 months ago
Reply to  Rust Buckets

I always await the people who will chime in that “xx horsepower is uncontrollable”, as if the throttle is an on/off switch instead of a rheostat.

There are 1000hp Teslas now. I think the typical guy buying a race-car-derived, $300,000 Mustang without a trunk is gonna be fine.

Whatsanautopian
Whatsanautopian
11 months ago

when’s the first recall? we could start an over/under pool.

Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago

I’m calling carbon fiber roof delaminating…hmmm…4 months after launch.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
11 months ago
Reply to  Studdley

“I’ll take defective lug nuts for 200 Alex.”

Brian Ash
Brian Ash
11 months ago

Too bad 99% will be bought, stored away, never driven, and posted to BaT in 10-15yrs just like both modern Ford GTs.

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
11 months ago
Reply to  Brian Ash

The other 1% will be taking out pedestrians at Cars and Coffee.

Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago
Reply to  Brian Ash

10-15 years? HA, they’ll be listed after 3 months. Look at the new Broncos, Supras etc etc. Fuck that website.

Mike F.
Mike F.
11 months ago

I like it. If we’re doomed to a future of electric-motored crossover “Mustangs”, then the ICE ‘stang deserves to go out with some completely insane iterations. This is a good start.

Spyrius Robot
Spyrius Robot
11 months ago

$300,000 for a supercar hunting Mustang. What a time to be alive.

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
11 months ago

$300,000 for a fucking Mustang. That’s R8/Huracan, Continental GT, GT3 RS, Roma, Artura, etc. money. Or if you want your MURICA kick you can buy a ZL1, Hellcat, Shelby GT500, and have enough leftover to run all of them for several years.

I don’t get it. Don’t get me wrong, there are people with more money than sense who certainly will. But I cannot even begin to fathom dropping $300,000 on a Mustang.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
11 months ago

Well, I can’t fathom $80,000 pickup trucks either, but here we are.

Turkina
Turkina
11 months ago

As with those super/hypercars, the GTD is meant for agility at speed rather than acceleration plus whatever agility they can put in at a price point. Honestly, it’s more like a supercar that began with a Mustang, got everything scooped out of it, then forged back into a Mustang shape. Of course, I’d rather have a Ford GT if I wanted something with a blue oval, but…

MrMcGeeIn3D
MrMcGeeIn3D
11 months ago
Reply to  Turkina

Yeah, pretty much the only thing left of the Mustang it’s based on is the engine and unibody. Knowing how the suspension works, the GTD is more like a front-engined Ford GT than a Mustang.

MrMcGeeIn3D
MrMcGeeIn3D
11 months ago

The rear suspension is pretty much the most complex kind of suspension you can get. That alone probably accounts for a third of the $100k.

Logan King
Logan King
11 months ago
Reply to  MrMcGeeIn3D

The Plymouth Prowler didn’t cost a hundred grand.

Parsko
Parsko
11 months ago

YES FUCKING YES!

I’m sitting here trying to find better words. But, there are none.

Parsko
Parsko
11 months ago
Reply to  Parsko

AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE SHAFT COUPLERS ON THE SWAY BAR. YES, I’M SCREAMING!!

Al Camino
Al Camino
11 months ago

Nobody wants a $300,000 car that looks like a Mustang. You could build a better looking restomod for that money.

EmotionalSupportBMW
EmotionalSupportBMW
11 months ago

Judging by the rear mock-up, if it is driven on the street, it’s going to be a one time affair. And that future YouTube personality will suffer from lower back pain for the rest of time. That horsey is going to be stiffer Secetariat on 2 for 1 mares night. Still pretty dang rad.

R Rr
R Rr
11 months ago

This looks impressive, can’t wait to see how fast it is.

When I see the letters ‘GTD’ my mind jumps to the souped up Golf with a diesel, as I’m sure anyone who spent years in Europe would do.

Phuzz
Phuzz
11 months ago
Reply to  R Rr

I saw one the other day, and was wondering why people bought them. If you wanted a fast Golf you’d get the GTI, if you wanted to travel long distances economically, you’d get the diesel. I can’t really work out what the GTD was for, but VW sold a bunch of them so clearly enough people had a use for one.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
11 months ago
Reply to  Phuzz

Same concept, different fuel. If you like diesel and want a faster diesel, buy the GTD.

Look, a Volvo!
Look, a Volvo!
11 months ago

This thing reeks of Barrett-Jackson.

Last edited 11 months ago by Look, a Volvo!
Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
11 months ago
Reply to  Look, a Volvo!

I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading the article. All the talk about how fast it would be on a track and my mind just kept adding “For the 2% of buyers who take it to the track, but not the other 98% who put it in storage so they can sell theirs at auction in a year…”.

I’m still not in love with the styling, but I do appreciate that most of it is functional, and I like what the car represents as a fast streetable track car. As such, it bums me out that few will ever see a track.

Roofless
Roofless
11 months ago

This is like the exact opposite of the Mach E. If you start with a mustang and go exactly as far away from it as the Mach E, making exactly the opposite decisions at every step of the way, you wind up here.

I don’t _want_ it, but I’m here for it.

Duane Cannon
Duane Cannon
11 months ago

It’s all creases and folds and jutting edges and unflowing bulges. Those designs don’t seem to age well, except for maybe a few Lambos. But yeah, the performance is beyond comprehension. Just another addition to someone’s 10 car garage.

Daniel Joseph
Daniel Joseph
11 months ago

I can tell by your comments you all voted for Trump. Lol sorry.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

Not me… Us democrats like to go fast too!

Parsko
Parsko
11 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Me too!

Nsane In The MembraNe
Nsane In The MembraNe
11 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

I’m left of most Dems and I still enjoy big dumb V8 power because it rules

Turkina
Turkina
11 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Hooray for fast Democrats! Trumpy can go drag race other blue-hairs in his golf cart.
But honestly, no politics please. Politics does affect the direction of the auto industry, and understanding government policies is important to see what automotive future is ahead of us, but we are on Team Auto, not Team R or D. Although car R&D is what we love to hear about!

Off topic, I’m a poll inspector that basically volunteers to make voting happen. I want you all to go and vote, no matter what country you live in and what political party you ascribe to. And go to your local board meetings and figure out what’s going on.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
11 months ago
Reply to  Turkina

I’m Team D, as in “drive.” Move forward! Although, I do switch to Team R for brief moments while leaving my driveway or a parking space.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
11 months ago
Reply to  Turkina

Thank you for your service. o7

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

I can’t speak for everyone, but personally, I prefer my Autopian with ABSOLUTELY NO BULLSHIT OF THIS SORT. Please go do that in some other forum. Please?

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

Let’s not do that here, please. 🙂

One of my favorite parts about the earlier years of the Gambler 500 was the fact that I didn’t know who people voted for and clearly, those people didn’t care enough to advertise it, either. It was a place to get away from the news ticker and politics!

That’s gone now and it’s sad. The Gambler has attracted people who instead of just having fun would rather tell me where to use the bathroom. You can’t even go to a King of the Hammers (literally the middle of the desert) and enjoy side-by-sides rock climbing without hearing a chant that has literally nothing to do with the action happening on the rocks.

So, let’s continue to be one of those few remaining places without the endless and pointless bickering. Let’s talk about horsepower, burnouts, off-roading, and the mold that’s definitely not growing in my family’s camper right now.

Geoff Buchholz
Geoff Buchholz
11 months ago

Amen, Mercy. Thank you. Also, you should get that not-mold checked out.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
11 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Buchholz

I may or may not have caused that mold… Totally forgot to leave the freezer door open when we parked it. RIP

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
11 months ago

But if you’re a queer gearhead it’s pretty easy to see which party has our back and which would stab us in the back… That’s why I’m a democrat!

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
11 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Those who know me personally know I’d vote left of Democrat if we didn’t have this two-party system. Anyway, Sheryl and I have been home shopping and it hurts that a major factor considered in the process is “how much does the state government dislike trans people.”

I once had dreams of moving to a beautiful place like Tennessee or Montana. You know, states with picturesque lakes, mountains, or maybe as little snow as possible. Then, we look at what bills the politicians want to pass (or have successfully passed) in those states and get deflated. Looks like we’re going to be here in the Midwest for a while. At the very least, we’ll be here until trans people stop getting painted as the boogeyman under the bed. Seriously y’all, we aren’t that special!

Last edited 11 months ago by Mercedes Streeter
Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
11 months ago

Another reason why I’m a lifelong Minnesotan!

Inherited a mobile home in Florida on a long term leased lot in 2009, glad I gave in and sold it to the landlords in 2019 before COVID and hatred took over Florida. Was a nice winter retreat, but with climate change central and especially southern Illinois hardly see winter anymore. Illinois property taxes are high, but small town houses are so cheap I may buy one for my new winter retreat!

JJT554
JJT554
10 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

My daughter would love the progressiveness of MN but absolutely refuses to live in a cold climate anymore.

JJT554
JJT554
10 months ago

Cross Nebraska off the list (if for some reason it was on said list) my trans child doesn’t even want to visit her her Dad much anymore. Unfortunately I totally understand. ????

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
11 months ago
Reply to  Diana Slyter

Stop. Just stop. Please? Please stop.

George Talbot
George Talbot
11 months ago

I can understand not wanting to fight those fights here. I hate that shit too. At the same time, that fight gets brought to cars. You may not like the Mach-E. I do and I have one. And for a little while it was just cool among everyone. Then I watched in real time the same people who AstroTurf for cigarette companies get hired to trash EVs, basically because Ford building a popular EV scared the shit out of oil companies. Then all the sudden half of the people you run into (including my dad, unfortunately) started ranting about “not a real mustang” and how EVs were basically a socialist plot.

As I told my dad, “dude will you let me have my mid life crisis in peace, please?”

I didn’t ask for any of that stuff. Not sure what to do about it.

Taco Shackleford
Taco Shackleford
11 months ago
Reply to  George Talbot

I do not like the Mach-E, but its not for political reasons, or that it isn’t a “real” mustang. I had one ordered, and then finally got to drive one and the brakes were weak, and every turn I felt high-centered in it. I’m glad it exists as an option for people, but it wasn’t for me, so I cancelled the order. Cars don’t have political affiliations, only people do, and I generally like cars more than other people.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
10 months ago

I hate it because it has too many doors and rides too high, yet still says “Mustang” on it. See also: why I hate the current Mitsubishi “Eclipse” and Chevrolet “Blazer”; why I hated the 80s Pontiac “Lemans”; etc.

Studdley
Studdley
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

Found the redditor

Gubbin
Gubbin
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

Oh lookie here, someone’s bored and wants attention!

Taargus Taargus
Taargus Taargus
11 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Joseph

I’m about as left as it gets comrade. And I’m not big on people avoiding politics regarding cars because they are very, very connected.

But this comment is just the sort of shit that has dragged down comment sections of other sites until it chases every sane person away. Let’s not be paying the troll toll here.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
11 months ago

Ya like exhaust notes? Ya like the smell of hydrocarbons and melting rubber? Is there something about a well-placed spoiler or a perfectly laid out gauge panel that gives you feelings in places? Do you feel the pain of others’ busted knuckles and aching wallets as though it were your own? Do you celebrate their wrenching or racing victories right with them? Are you a sucker for a good barn find, or an impressive original-owner story?

Then in here, you are my people. In here, I don’t give a damn who you are, what you look like, who you love, who you vote for, where you live, what sports team you root for. You love what I love. In here, we’re the same.

For the love of all that is holy, in the name of the best of us, in honor of the very reason this community exists at all: Can we please, PLEASE keep it that way, in just one tiny corner of the internet? Please?

Please?

JJT554
JJT554
10 months ago

Bravo ????

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
11 months ago

For $300K I expect more than a very hopped up version of a $30K Mustang. Ford, you lost me at $100K…

Chewcudda
Chewcudda
11 months ago

Hopefully the pricetag will keep it away from idiots who show off leaving the car show.

Goof
Goof
11 months ago

Can You Buy It?

Yes, probably. This isn’t Ferrari

There’s still a 2017+ Ford GT available within a mile of me, and it’s been there for many years, because the price the dealer wants was crazy, and has been getting increasingly crazier over the years.

I guess I can eventually expect a Mustang GTD to rot alongside it as they expand the area of the showroom floor plan that’s cordoned off by velvet rope.

Last edited 11 months ago by Goof
Alec Weinstein
Alec Weinstein
11 months ago

I don’t get excited for expensive cars anymore, but something about this is exciting

MrMcGeeIn3D
MrMcGeeIn3D
11 months ago
Reply to  Alec Weinstein

Because it’s equal parts stupid and brilliant.

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