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The Closing Of The ‘Vermont Loophole’ Makes Saving A Cheap Car Ridiculously Difficult

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For several years, the state of Vermont had been the savior of the cheap car enthusiast. If you bought some sort of plucky old junker without a title, Vermont was more than happy to give you a valid transferable registration with only a few questions asked. Those days are now over, and enthusiasts are left scrambling to figure out alternatives. I’m now going through the process to get a title for a vehicle, and it’s a total nightmare. Now, I don’t even want to save barn finds anymore.

Normally, buying a car or motorcycle without a title is a huge headache. Some states have even made it illegal to sell a vehicle without proper proof of ownership. These laws are well-meaning and are there to protect people from scammers. However, these laws and the barriers to obtaining a title for a vehicle that doesn’t have one mean that a lot of vehicles that can be saved are instead sent to scrap or are left to rot.

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There are lots of innocent times in which you may purchase a vehicle that may not have a title. A barn find is a great example of this. Some vehicles sit in stasis for decades, managing to stay in existence long after their owners have passed. These cars don’t deserve to go to the crusher, but some states make it difficult to get a car like that legal again. Alternatively, you might run into a no-title situation when you scoop a beater off of someone’s driveway or buy an old enduro motorcycle. Some folks never register their off-road motorcycle because they never use it on the road. That may become a headache when you buy it and decide to put a plate on it.

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Mercedes Streeter

Vermont Was Great

Thankfully, there had long been a solution to this. If you bought a vehicle that technically lived in legal purgatory, you really had to look no further than the Green Mountain State. I couldn’t figure out how long Vermont operated a mail-order DMV, but it was for at least over a decade.

Honestly, the Vermont DMV was a dream. The state was happy to send license plates to any resident of any state in the country, and the owner never even had to set foot in Vermont even once. Vermont was effectively America’s DMV, and it was an open secret. If you went to the Vermont DMV website, it even said that you do not have to live in Vermont to register your car in Vermont. The state was happy to get nearly free tax money from people who didn’t live in the state.

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Mercedes Streeter

The process was shockingly easy. Vermont did not title vehicles that were 15 years old or older. So, if the hooptie you were saving was old enough, all of the proof of ownership you needed was a bill of sale and a VIN verification showing the vehicle wasn’t stolen. If you were dealing with motorcycles, the state didn’t even title anything under 300cc. So, you could have bought a brand new scooter and registered it in Vermont without issue. Vermont also didn’t title trailers under 1,500 pounds or low-power electric motorcycles.

For some, Vermont was also a savior because it allowed you to register trucks and buses as RVs without any proof that you had even converted them. This was great for folks who wanted to make their bus builds legal to drive home before converting them into RVs. Vermont was even a good place for people to register cars that had good titles. Car registration was just $76, and the tax rate was just six percent of the purchase price or book value. In my case, a Vermont registration was usually half the price of registering a car here in Illinois. Vermont registrations were even useful to owners of imported cars because they no longer had to worry about emissions testing.

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Unfortunately, the Vermont “loophole” was used by more than just enthusiasts. On June 26, 2023, Vermont announced that it had closed its DMV system to only residents of the state. Its explanation? People had been using the Vermont DMV to commit felonies. Some folks stole cars and registered them in Vermont before their VINs got flagged for being stolen. Some other people used the Vermont DMV to create their own quasi for-profit DMV. There were even some major scams, too. It was a huge problem for the state and for the victims of stolen cars and of those scams.

So, the Vermont “loophole” is dead, and now, two years later, things haven’t changed.

Popular Alternatives Are Cost-Prohibitive

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Dirt Legal

I have been trying to find a new Vermont, and honestly, I’ve come up empty-handed. There are other states that do not require residency for car registration, including Montana and South Dakota. However, those states require you to have a title for the car or to go through their bonded title process. The infamous Montana loophole also requires you to set up an LLC, and the businesses that provide this service charge so much money that it’s not worth it for a $1,000 crapbox, even if you did have the title to it.

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There’s also Dirt Legal, a service that’s famous for producing titles and registrations for all sorts of vehicles that don’t have ownership papers. The company proudly proclaims: “Register or Title any Vehicle from any State. Guaranteed.”

But the sad twist is that Dirt Legal is ridiculously expensive. When I queried Dirt Legal about a vehicle without a title in 2024, the service was a whopping $2,000 and wasn’t really any meaningfully different than getting a bonded title in the state of Illinois. Now, Dirt Legal’s title recovery service is $1,299, but it still requires legwork on your end. Either way, it doesn’t make sense to pay $1,299 to register that cheap car you found in a field.

So, what’s the other option?

The Bonded Title

Mercedes Streeter

As it happens, I’m dealing with a title issue right now. Over five years ago, I bought a 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen TDI. The seller of this vehicle made the classic mistake of signing their name on the buyer’s line, something I didn’t notice until long after the transaction. Illinois Secretary of State (our DMV) offices are not fond of mistakes like that and told me to either get an affidavit from the seller or have them get a duplicate title. The problem was, by that point, I was no longer able to get in contact with the seller.

Thankfully, Vermont saved the day. The state didn’t transfer the title due to the error, but the title’s existence apparently was enough to give me license plates. Boom, good enough for me.

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Since then, the messed-up title somehow got even more jacked up. I let a friend stay in my apartment while I was away for a couple of months, and they trashed the place. They even inexplicably included my title and some other important documents in their destruction. By my best guess, it’s almost like the title fell into a greasy pan. Either way, this was bad news because the title had a moisture-activated fraud mark that was now displaying. Now I was double-boned. Not even a Currency Exchange, a neat third-party place to cash checks or do title work, would touch the title.

This didn’t matter so long as I never sold the car. Well, I’ve been trying to sell this car for about two years now, and surprise, nobody wants to touch this mess with a 10-foot pole. The car has been such a problem child that it often just sat in outdoor storage:

Mercedes Streeter

How am I fixing this? Illinois offers a solution for problems like this, and it’s to get a bonded title. Now that the Vermont loophole is dead, this is now the best path that I’m aware of for a resident of Illinois to get a title for a vehicle that either doesn’t have ownership documents or when said ownership documents are sketchy. From Illinois:

A bond is required when standard ownership documents (i.e., assigned title) cannot be surrendered with an Application for Certificate of Title (625 ILCS 5/3-109). The Secretary of State may, as a condition of issuing a Certificate of Title, require the applicant to file a bond in the amount equal to one and one-half times the current wholesale value of the vehicle. The filing of this bond will protect the Secretary of State’s office and any prior owner or lienholder as well as any subsequent purchasers, or person acquiring security interest or respective successors, against any expense, loss or damage due to the issuance of a Certificate of Title. The bond (and the deposit filed with a cash bond) must be returned at the expiration of three (3) calendar years from the date of filing, unless the Secretary of State has been notified pending any action to recover on the bond.

So Much Paperwork

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Right, so this isn’t like Vermont. You aren’t just showing a bill of sale and paying a fee. Instead, you have to post a bond, and for the next three years, anyone can challenge your right to own the car. Illinois says there are two types of bonds:

Cash Bond — A bond executed by the applicant for vehicle ownership and accompanied by the deposit of cash in the form of currency, cashier’s check, money order or bank certificate of deposit made payable to State Treasurer.

Surety Bond — A bond executed by the applicant for vehicle ownership and a person/firm authorized to conduct a surety business in Illinois, which obligates the guarantor to pay a third party upon default by the applicant in the performance of any duty the applicant owes to any third party.

Cash bonds are actually pretty rare. Say your car has an appraised value of $3,000. A cash bond would then be worth $4,500. Chances are, if you’re going through the bonded title process, you’re titling a cheap car, and a $4,500 cash bond on top of whatever you paid isn’t really in the cards.

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The more common type of bond is a surety bond. Typically, you’ll pay a comparatively small amount of money–sometimes as low as $100–to an insurance company for the surety bond. How it works is that the insurance company essentially promises to pay the bond if your ownership of the vehicle doesn’t turn out to be kosher. Then, the insurance company will come after you for the money. If you last the three years without someone successfully challenging your ownership, the bond is satisfied and the title is all yours without an asterisk. The insurance company also gets to pocket whatever you paid for the surety bond.

If you live in Illinois and need to go through this process, you first need to gather whatever documents you have:

Evidence of your right to acquire a title, such as a bill of sale, receipt or canceled check. If evidence of your ownership is not available, a notarized statement explaining how you came into possession of the vehicle is needed. NOTE: A bond cannot be used to obtain titles on abandoned vehicles, repossessions, mechanics liens or estates, or to remove a lienholder.

Next, you need to take the vehicle to a certified dealership to get it appraised and to have the appraiser fill out the Affirmation of Appraisal form. Dealers do tend to charge for appraisals, and I’ve seen quotes as low as $25 to as high as $400:

A written appraisal of the current wholesale value of the vehicle from a licensed new or used vehicle dealer (including motorcycle, mobile home and trailer dealers), a licensed rebuilder (for salvage or junk vehicles only), a licensed real estate agent (for mobile homes only) or an officer of an antique vehicle club or association (for antique vehicles only). The appraisal also may be obtained from a used vehicle price guide, supported by copies of the front cover and pertinent pages of the guide, or printed from an online source. NOTE: If you are a licensed Illinois dealer, you cannot perform your own appraisal. Appraisals must come from disinterested, qualified parties.

Once you know how much your car is worth, you get the surety bond. In my case, the Jetta’s value times 1.5 is $4,797. I went to SuretyBonds.com for the surety and was charged $100 for the service. Immediately after paying the dues, I got a properly filled out Illinois Security Bond form and a Power of Attorney form. All I had to do was print it out.

The Waiting Game

From here, there’s just a lot of paperwork. Illinois has you fill out a title application form and a tax form. Then you take all of your paperwork, including any proof of ownership that you have, the surety bond, the power of attorney from the insurance company, the appraisal form, the tax form, the title application, and a check for applicable fees, wrap them up, and mail them to the state. The state will then take potentially several weeks to process your claim, and only after that you might get a title and license plates.

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In theory, you’ll be paying for the surety bond, the appraisal, and the normal title and registration fees. Even if you pay $400 for an appraisal it’ll still come out under $1,000.

I did just that. Now, I wait to see if I can finally get a title for this car. As of right now, turnaround times from the Illinois SOS can be mind-numbingly slow. It recently took the state six months to ship the title for my new-to-me 2009 Smart Fortwo Passion Cabriolet. So I have no idea when I’m going to hear anything about this VW.

If you have no proof of ownership at all, things get really messy. You’ll need to fill out the Statement of Ownership form and get it notarized. You’ll also need to get the appraisal. Finally, you’ll also need to get a Law Enforcement Certification, which proves that the vehicle is not stolen and hasn’t been altered in a way to make it illegal. That last one can be obtained by calling your local non-emergency police line and having an officer come out. Click here for the whole Illinois bonded title guide.

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Mercedes Streeter

Really, none of this is impossible. However, it is a ton of steps to register some crapbox that you found online. Also, the state reserves the right to deny your application if it thinks the person who appraised your car or motorcycle got its value wrong. Then, you need to go through the nightmare again. Consider that it can take months to get your title, even when it goes correctly. Having to do the process more than once because of a paperwork goof can be catastrophic.

Sadly, each state has its own process for registering vehicles with title issues. Some states are easier, while some are harder. One day, I might do a 50-state guide on this. But for now, I think I proved my point. The death of the Vermont loophole has made saving no-title hoopties unattractive. I wonder how many perfectly restorable vehicles have been lost due to the hurdles of getting a title?

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At least the good news is that getting a title for a vehicle that doesn’t have papers is actually possible without Vermont. You just have to be prepared to run around. If you know of a better way than this, please send me an email at mercedes@theautopian.com.

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Mike B
Mike B
9 hours ago

I’m so upset that I hadn’t heard of this till the news of it closing broke. I could have kept my not-quite-roadworthy Firebird on the road just so I could keep it in motion once in a while and put fresh gas in it. Instead, it’s been languishing in a family member’s garage for 3 years.

Hoodellyhoo
Hoodellyhoo
9 hours ago

While less than ideal, I’ve done the Wisconsin bonded title process 3 times now for old motorcycles and find it to be reasonably trouble-free. All-in cost was about $400 each. One of those three still had the un-signed title of a deceased owner but when I did the math of what it would take to get a title the “proper” way through working with the former owners descendants it would’ve been much more expensive than just declaring the title as lost and getting a bonded title.

Mgb2
Mgb2
6 hours ago
Reply to  Hoodellyhoo

Unless the state requires a notarized bill of sale, someone can just sign the title as the deceased.

Gubbin
Gubbin
9 hours ago

I was just looking at MT titling when I got curious about plating one of those SurRun style electric dirtbikes. Apparently you can DIY it or work with a generic agent service for a lot less.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
9 hours ago

Autopian needs to open a used car dealership in Vermont. Then, the dealer can take ownership of the cars and issue Vermont titles/registrations on them.

Perhaps the paying members on here could be allowed to go thru the dealer as a benefit of paid membership.

Brockstar
Brockstar
9 hours ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Ohh the rust bucket tier of membership! This could get interesting.

FastBlackB5
FastBlackB5
10 hours ago

KS has no title registration on anything over 35 years old, and you can go the bonded title route or a mechanic can do a lien. Also everything over 60 doesn’t even require a vin check.

FormerTXJeepGuy
FormerTXJeepGuy
10 hours ago

There’s also the mechanic’s lien process, which I think can be used if the car has been sitting on your property for some time.

Mike Harrell
Mike Harrell
10 hours ago

Washington has a pretty reasonable system for handling cases of what the law here calls “ownership in doubt” when it comes to titles and registration. It’s a straightforward matter either (1) to get the registration immediately with a three-year wait for the title [no bond required] or (2) to get the title immediately, with or without registration, by filing a three-year bond of 1.5x the assessed value of the vehicle. I’ve had to do this a few times and have always gone with the first option.

Even with the first option it’s still possible to sell the titleless vehicle before the three years have elapsed as long as the new buyer is willing to wait for the remaining interval to pass before receiving a title. The clock doesn’t reset to a new three-year wait.

Dr.Xyster
Dr.Xyster
10 hours ago
Reply to  Mike Harrell

I did that with my current daily driver. It is a Ford Fiesta that had a tree fall on, and broke the windshield, dented the hood, roof, and a bit of the A-Pillar on the passenger side. It was purchased at auction by the person I bought it from. They were going to get it fixed up for their daughter to use for college, but then she got a Subaru and they decided to sell the Fiesta at the point they were at with it.

When I bought it, it had the A-Pillar fixed, and a new windshield and unpainted hood, but that was it. Still wasn’t registered and needed a few more things done to it.

I got it 100% road worthy, then just had to have WSP do an inspection, which it passed easily. Then got the 3-year wait option on the title to get it registered. That was 6 years ago.

As a weird aside, during that time we moved to Oregon, and the registration and title were transferred between states. When I got my title, of course, it was listed as “Reconstructed”. Then, we ended up moving back to Washington. So, I had to do another title and registration transfer.

This time, when my new title arrived, It was a clean one! No mention that it was reconstructed or rebuilt. Weird, huh?

Joe L
Joe L
10 hours ago

“ That last one can be obtained by calling your local non-emergency police line and having an officer come out.”

In neither Pennsylvania nor California have I ever gotten a cop to actually come out from calling the non-emergency number, if you can even get an answer on that line.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
7 hours ago
Reply to  Joe L

For me it just goes to the county dispatch.

Rob Stercraw
Rob Stercraw
6 hours ago
Reply to  Joe L

Our small town outside of Sacramento will do VIN verifications for $75 but you have to go into the office to make an appt and then bring the vehicle to them.

Idiotking
Idiotking
10 hours ago

I’ve mentioned this before here—I got my ’63 Travelall titled through Vermont two months before they closed the loophole, and I feel like I dodged a mortar shell. Looking back on it, I can see that it was only a matter of time before they ended that service—the folks in Vermont’s DMV couldn’t have been nicer, but I could have been retitling a stolen vehicle for all they knew.

Fuzzyweis
Fuzzyweis
10 hours ago

I think most states offer bonded titles, Connecticut used to just have a 1 year wait, 3 years is a long time but I guess they figure if you really want it you’ll keep it that long.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
10 hours ago

Hypothetically, can one get a PO Box in Vermont, claim citizenship, and continue the loophole?

Nlpnt
Nlpnt
10 hours ago
Reply to  Ron Gartner

As a VT resident, I recall hearing on local news that they were now issuing titles to older vehicles.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
10 hours ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Which is fine, if you still don’t need a title for a vehicle without one and then you get a title it’ll at least get you down the road.

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
9 hours ago

Hmmm, I guess the loophole side of me says to just claim an address and then make the PO Box your mailing address and then have USPS forward the mail to your current address and then convert it to an Illinois title ASAP before Vermont gets wise.

That’s assuming it all goes through, but it would be cheaper than a bonded title lol.

JurassicComanche25
JurassicComanche25
11 hours ago

Dumb question time…

Is the TDI still for sale?

JurassicComanche25
JurassicComanche25
10 hours ago

Any chance you can post details? Or I can ping you in the discord. We need a commuter car and wagons are better than sedans!

AircooleDrew
AircooleDrew
10 hours ago

I wanted to piggyback off of this and ask the same thing. I read the article, but just ended with wanting to ask some deets and the price. I really want a manual TDI Jetta wagon.

EDIT: Right after I posted this, I saw your response that its a DSG car. I’m only interested in a manual, but I hope you’re able to get it worked out and sold easily!

Last edited 10 hours ago by AircooleDrew
Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
11 hours ago

Having done the loophole, I feel like a real car guy. I used it to register a 1974 Honda CB motorcycle without a title. I live in Florida and have never even set foot in Vermont. What a glorious system.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
9 hours ago

Florida is the biggest reason the Vermont loophole closed! Florida and other states considered suing Vermont over it, and Florida published a bulletin with Vermont’s problems.

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
11 hours ago

Sounds like it’s time to get a lobbyist to push for a simple law to make titling these vehicles simple wta proper VIN background. Even a Salvage title would work.

Logan King
Logan King
11 hours ago

I loved the idea of the Vermont loophole as someone who spent hours looking at the Japanese export sites, but Holy shit I’m surprised it took until 2023 for it to be closed.

B L
B L
12 hours ago

It feels like there’s got to be a middle ground here. The Vermont Loophole seems insane to me – ripe for abuse, and it sounds like it was abused.

But at the same time, there should be a process that is not prohibitively expensive to title an untitled car – a hearing with a magistrate maybe where they can run a VIN search and confirm the car isn’t reported stolen or require sellers to provide a copy of their license and an affidavit that they certify the car isn’t stolen when there’s no title or something like that.

Tbird
Tbird
10 hours ago
Reply to  B L

Agree, lots of old stuff sitting around for decades with questionable provenance at this point. Rather see it saved and bringing joy.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
12 hours ago

Just to be clear, it’s not the car itself that is “missing” the title, it’s the owner. And anyone who lets important paperwork like car titles get into the wind isn’t someone I’d want to buy a car from in the first place.
Run, Forest, run.

Rippstik
Rippstik
10 hours ago

Lots of reasons to lose titles though. I imagine several scenarios that cause titles to go missing, even if the owner is diligent.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
10 hours ago
Reply to  Rippstik

I’m with Michael. Yes there are both good and bad reasons for the seller to have lost/misplaced a title, but it is also MUCH easier for a seller to obtain a replacement title than it is for the buyer. If a seller doesn’t offer a title, it simply means they are too cheap and/or lazy to get it done.

JumboG
JumboG
8 hours ago

In NC, you can actually do a lost title form and reassign it to a buyer in one shot, so the buyer doesn’t have to wait for the title to be sent to the seller – it goes directly to the buyer.

The basic problem with most of these old cars is people buy them, then realize they aren’t going to drive them so they don’t do the title work immediately. Then they lose the title, or they sell the car to someone with an open (or even worse – incorrectly completed) title.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
12 hours ago

As a Virginia guy, the most red tape I ever went through was getting a salvage title way back when I bought a 1976 Celica GT that had been previously totaled by an insurance company. That car had a title, though. The few times I looked at cars that didn’t have titles, I did some homework with the Virginia DMV and it looked soooo messy that I have passed on several fun-looking cars because the seller didn’t have a title and didn’t have the patience or bandwidth to get one – a self-defeating problem a lot of classic cars have – if the current owner feels like it’s too much of a pain to get a title, it’ll be worse for whoever they sell it to.

So many mixed feelings here. This does make life difficult for people who would want to steal our beloved classics, but, dude, let’s streamline the paperwork for the barn finds.

No Kids, Just Bikes
No Kids, Just Bikes
11 hours ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

I have an old Vespa that I lost the title to, so I will eventually be trying this in Virginia. In the more rural parts of the state titling is easy peasy as long as you have a title from elsewhere. And they never question the value…

  • I have a special construction (built in a shed in Tennessee) car that would be difficult to title here, but they took the TN title and just issued me a new VA one.
  • My 996 and R107 both cost less in taxes than my Triumph Scrambler due the stated value of both. 996 is not on the road now, so it wasn’t a total lie. The Scrambler I bought from a consignment shop in Denver, so there is a documented price history.
Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
10 hours ago

I keep running finding more and more people in VA here – we really need to have an Autopian meetup.

No Kids, Just Bikes
No Kids, Just Bikes
10 hours ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

It is a sneakily large state, though. To get to DC for my last job took nearly six hours.

SageWestyTulsa
SageWestyTulsa
12 hours ago

So, in Oklahoma we have a process called “Title 42,” which I’ve employed several times over the years. I use a title service — They require a VIN, a photo of the car, a signed power of attorney, and a check for $120. That’s it. From there, they jump through the necessary legal hoops (title search, run an ad in the newspaper, file with the state), and 10-12 weeks later the paperwork arrives in the mail. That goes to the tag agency, and after less than $50 in additional fees, the title arrives by mail 5-7 days later. Bob’s your uncle. As Tom Petty said, “the waiting is the hardest part,” but otherwise it’s pretty easy.

Theoretically, you could make friends with someone here in OK, have them procure an OK title that could then be transferred back to you. Again, purely theoretically.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
12 hours ago
Reply to  SageWestyTulsa

In Minecraft Oklahoma

Tbird
Tbird
11 hours ago
Reply to  SageWestyTulsa

Good to know, my brother lives in OK.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
12 hours ago

I have owned about 20 motorcycles, most of them some form of two-stroke from the 70s. I have had to deal with title issues of all sorts, including no titles. It is a pain to do it by the book, but it is worth it.

I have seen too many stolen motorcycles on the market to feel good about a loophole that makes their theft easier. Like most things, the people who abuse the system are the problem, and the rules are just how it manifests.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
12 hours ago

Mercedes, it seems like your charity gets taken advantage of by “friends” a lot and it’s cost you a Prius and a pan-fried car title, at the very least, so far. I hope you are getting more careful with whom you extend charity to.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
12 hours ago

Nope, it doesn’t make you unkind. It just means you’re being smart with your kindness. People need a functional home life to be able to effectively help others.

Beasy Mist
Beasy Mist
11 hours ago

You’re not unkind; you’re learning with age, as most of us do, that you have to put your own oxygen mask on first or everyone dies.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
11 hours ago

Knew a trans woman in Minnesota who had similar experience- Bought a huge house and took in several trans folks, some of them took advantage of her and their graft drove away the honest ones. Despite having a good paying job as a railroad engineer, she died just about broke a few months before retirement. Too add insult to injury, one of her guests stole her computer shortly after she died and we could secure her home, then called the police on us as we were tearing up her checks and securing her finances.

Der Foo
Der Foo
11 hours ago

It does not make you unkind. You can think of your kindness as currency. People don’t have “earn it”, but they need to be worthy of it. Manage your kindness so that you can help those worthy of it and you don’t go broke. If you are broke, you can help no one.

Last edited 11 hours ago by Der Foo
Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
12 hours ago
Reply to  PlugInPA

I was thinking the same thing. I hope Mercedes’ kind heart doesn’t bite her in the ass.

Micah Cameron
Micah Cameron
12 hours ago

I just want to say, I hope the “friend” who trashed your apartment is now firmly in the “former friend” category.

4jim
4jim
13 hours ago

I do know a handful of well of RVs in Minnesota with Montana plates on their pricy RVs. In 2025 we should have better ways of getting duplicate titles and proof of ownership. I do miss living in a notary state where title transfers need to be witnessed.

UnseenCat
UnseenCat
7 hours ago
Reply to  4jim

For full-time RVers, the Montana title/plate system is handy because it can generally be done without having to set foot in the state as long as you have an agent to do it — which is often part of the greater services offered by mail-forwarding companies located there. You don’t have to be a resident there, and Montana doesn’t require annual inspections. So if you’re likely to be travelling more often than not in the year, the Montana system makes routine registration and plate renewal easier, but it’s not entirely the best solution for fixing title problems.

OptionXIII
OptionXIII
13 hours ago

While many of these laws have good intentions, they’re getting to the point of absurdity and I question how effective they are at preventing theft when most thieves are happy to either joy ride the car and ditch it, or take it straight to a chop shop.

North Carolina requires you to have a notary sign the title, and some of them won’t do it unless buyer and seller are both present, which is a total pain. Every prospective buyer now needs to either meet you twice, or during normal banking hours.

I am trying to sell this vehicle. I understand that having the title already signed presents a risk of theft. There really aren’t that many thieves out there stealing cars from driveways, and then going inside to look for the title. I’ll take the risk.

PlugInPA
PlugInPA
12 hours ago
Reply to  OptionXIII

I would be happier with these strict rules on titling cars if I didn’t see so many cars driving around with purposefully defaced or missing license plates. Why does every cop car have ALPRs if they aren’t going to pull over people flagrantly breaking the law?

JumboG
JumboG
8 hours ago
Reply to  OptionXIII

As a NC resident, the notary requirement is just a PITA. Virginia doesn’t require them, and I don’t think there is any more of a problem there. Furthermore, there are easy ways to get around the title problem if you know someone who owns a garage or tow company. And, if the vehicle is more than 10 years old they can sell it for scrap with no title at all.

Beachbumberry
Beachbumberry
13 hours ago

This whole process sucks and I’m sorry you’re having to go through it. The Vermont loophole was awesome and I very nearly ended up using it to title my business when Texas deleted their registration manual for the state in 2020 and my tax assessor wouldn’t title it.

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