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The Hard Part Is Done: 1964 Pontiac Catalina vs 1971 Datsun 510

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In the words of James Moriarty from the BBC series Sherlock: I’m back. Did you miss me? Last week did not go the way I planned at all, to put it mildly. After an emergency room visit, three nights in the hospital, gallons and gallons of IV antibiotics, emergency surgery, and more pain than I even thought was possible, all I have to say is that gallbladders can be real assholes sometimes. I’m very happy to be here right now typing this, in more ways than one.

First up, huge thanks to the one and only Matt Hardigree for covering for me last week. I owe you a drink next time we see each other, sir. On Friday, Matt showed you a couple of vehicles you don’t want to see in the rearview mirror, and you definitely don’t want to see the inside of: ambulances. The ultra-low-mileage Ford Econoline-based rig won handily, despite its higher price and questions about possible rust underneath.

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But it’s a bit tactical-looking for my taste, with the flat-black paint and all. I know you can change it, but it’s a lot of work to do so. And I already know my way around a modern Chrysler Hemi, so I think I’d stick with the Rambulance. The dogs seem to like it, and I have come to trust the opinions of dogs.

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Now then: If you want to make an old car run more like a new car, a sure-fire way to do it is to swap out its engine for something more modern. But that’s a daunting task that not a lot of us are up to. I briefly looked into swapping the little four-cylinder in my MG for a 3.4-liter V6 from a Camaro, a common swap, but it’s just so much work. It seems to me that if you want an engine-swapped car, a better way to go might be to look for a running and driving project that someone else has grown tired of, or run out of money to complete. Something like one of these two, for instance. Let’s take a look.

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1964 Pontiac Catalina – $3,995

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 5.3-liter OHV V8, four-speed manual, RWD

Location: Hillsboro, OR

Odometer reading: unknown

Operational status: “Solid enough to daily drive”

As you’ve probably noticed, we’re big fans of GM’s erstwhile performance division around here. Pontiac kicked off the muscle-car craze under the guidance of automotive antihero John Z. DeLorean, provided the only possible vehicle capable of containing Burt Reynolds in the ’70s, built the only two-seat sports car in the GM stable besides the Corvette, and generally out-cooled all other divisions all the way up until the post-bankruptcy restructuring when it was unceremoniously and shamefully shown the door. No one is sure why that happened, either. Maybe the other divisions were jealous because Pontiacs kept running off with their prom dates.

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Back when this big Catalina was built, it would have come with Pontiac’s own V8, displacing either 389 or 421 cubic inches. This one, however, has been treated to that most common and effective of modern engine swaps: the LS conversion. It has a 5.3-liter LS small-block, most likely an LM7 or L59 truck engine, widely available in any junkyard. The seller – a dealership, in the interest of full disclosure – says that the conversion was “done right,” and that it runs great. The transmission is a four-speed manual, which they claim came from a mid-90s pickup, but the last four-speed manual available in a GM truck was the granny-low SM465 in 1991, and I doubt it’s one of those. It could be the original transmission, actually; the ’64 Catalina was available with a Muncie four-speed. It looks like some other updates have been made, like a modern dual-circuit power brake master cylinder, and hopefully disc brakes too. I’d have to see it in person, but it sure does look like somebody put some thought into this car.

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Image: Craigslist seller

We don’t get any photos of the inside, which makes me think it’s pretty rough. So I’ll just have to show you more of the outside, particularly a ’60s design trait that never failed to look cool: stacked round headlights. Whether it’s on a Pontiac like this, a Ford Galaxie, a Plymouth Fury, or a Buick Riviera – especially with the clamshell covers – there’s just something about two stacks of headlights that makes a car look like it means business. I was confused, however, when I was young and found out that the low beams are on the top and the high beams are on the bottom. Shouldn’t it be the other way around? Actually, I’m still confused by that.

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Image: Craigslist seller

It has an interesting paint job, almost like a World War I lozenge camouflage pattern. I’m not sure if that’s what they were going for, but that’s what it reminds me of. I don’t dislike it, but I wonder if I might get tired of it, and I worry a little about the rust situation under it. The trim is all intact and shiny, though, and it has chrome Chevy Astro wheels on it that suit it well.

1971 Datsun 510 – $4,900

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Image: Craigslist seller

Engine/drivetrain: 3.0-liter OHC V6, five-speed manual, RWD

Location: also Hillsboro, OR

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Odometer reading: unknown

Operational status: “Runs and drives” is all it says

Datsun’s 510 sedan, which arrived in the US for the 1968 model year, had a lot going for it: sharp contemporary looks, excellent handling from an independent semi-trailing-arm rear suspension, and everyday practicality. It didn’t have a lot of power; it only had a 1.6-liter L-series four backed by a four-speed manual. But early Datsuns have a Lego-like ability to upgrade parts easily, so a lot of 510s ended up with something more potent eventually. This is a new one on me, though; it has a VG30E V6 and five-speed transmission from a 300ZX under the hood. Mostly under it, anyway; it looks like they had to pound a bulge into the hood for clearance.

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Image: Craigslist seller

I wish we had a view under the hood, though, because I’m curious how well it was done. The VG30E is fuel-injected, something Nissan hadn’t even dreamed of when this car was built, and it requires an ECU and a whole lot more electrical wiring to make it work. With luck, whoever did the conversion just took the whole wiring harness from the 300ZX and transplanted it into this car, but I fear a mess of splices, crimp connectors, and tape. According to the ad, the car has some other updates, including rear disc brakes, a fuel cell, and rack-and-pinion steering to go along with the added power. They do say it runs and drives, but that could mean a whole range of functionality. If it does run well, I bet it’s quick.

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It’s largely gutted inside, with no door panels, carpet, or headliner. I imagine that’s an aftermarket standalone ECU on the transmission tunnel, and a bank of cheap gauges have been stuck on the dash to give you information on the V6’s health. There’s no passenger’s seat, and the driver’s seat has been replaced by a racing-style seat. The presence of lots of stick-on sound insulation and what look like power window switches makes me think someone had a lot of unrealized plans for this car.

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Outside, I think it looks worse than it is. There’s some rust, but I don’t think even lifelong West Coast 510s have been rust-free since Simon & Simon went off the air. The floors, rockers, and door sills look all right, and the seller says it’s fine structurally. It may never be a thing of great beauty, but I imagine it will hold together well enough. If you do paint it, though, first figure out a more elegant way of clearancing that hood. That bulge just looks like a welt or a hernia.

Engine swaps aren’t for everyone. Some people prefer the sure knowledge that a car’s Haynes manual actually matches what’s under the hood. I’m typically one of them. But in the case of these, when other distinct improvements have been made along with the new engine, and the drivability is almost certainly improved by more modern engine management, I’m more inclined to look favorably on them. In both of these cars, it sounds like the hard part is done. It’s up to you to drive them home and make them pretty – or not, if you prefer. Which one speaks to you?

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Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 day ago

No way that Poncho has it’s original transmission. In those days, Chevy had it’s own bell-housing bolt pattern that was different than that used by Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile. The Chevy bolt pattern survives to this day in the LS motors.
There are conversion kits, but that’s a pain in the ass compared to just finding an old Chevy-pattern 4-speed. If this transmission came with the LS in a boneyard pickup truck, it’s probably a 5-speed.

Melendez69
Melendez69
1 day ago

I cannot unsee that guy’s moobs.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 day ago
Reply to  Melendez69

Yeah right? Did ‘Ol Uncle Jeb have to walk out onto the porch right at the exact moment the photo was being taken?

Melendez69
Melendez69
1 day ago

The seller clearly didn’t care about the vehicle’s appearance or surroundings. There might as well been a trailer in the background. I couldn’t trust this seller with those mismatched wheels & no shot of the engine bay of that poorly-put-together thing. The side-view mirrors also look different.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
1 day ago
Reply to  Melendez69

There is so much PR involved with listing a vehicle for sale. Why use shitty photos, crappy, misspelled descriptions, and tough-guy nonsense like “IF YOU EMAIL ME I WILL MAKE YOU DISAPPEAR”?
Some of them I have to wonder if the guy really wants to sell it.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 day ago

built the only two-seat sports car in the GM stable besides the Corvette

The Saturn Sky and Opel GT would like a word….

I am a huge 510 Stan, but this one would have to be basically a ground up rebuild for my tastes. I’d want the stock engine, or something approximating it, not a VQ that will be a nightmare to work on, and that hood. UGH

Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
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Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
1 day ago

Why on earth would someone post pics of their car for sale with an old crusty dude in the background with MOOBS? 🙁

Pontiac for me.

PlugInPA
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PlugInPA
1 day ago

The Datsun also has a moob on the hood

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Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
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Ramblin' Gamblin' Man
1 day ago
Reply to  PlugInPA

Ha! I didn’t even notice that before!!

TheDrunkenWrench
TheDrunkenWrench
1 day ago

510s get rotary swapped often for a reason, the engine bay is TINY.

I can’t imagine that V6 is great to work on. Which you WILL be working on, the 300zx was not known for reliability when it was new.

So yeah, I’ll take the boat.

Cheats McCheats
Cheats McCheats
1 day ago

Wanted to pick the 510 , but talk about wrong engine swap. Pontiac for me thanks.

Son of Dad
Son of Dad
1 day ago

shame, what they did to that datsun

PresterJohn
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PresterJohn
1 day ago

5 large for a half finished Datsun with incomplete pictures? Bring back crack pipe for that one. Pontiac by default

MattyD
MattyD
1 day ago

I’ll take the Ponti-wreck. It’s a 4 door, and looks like it’s had some love. The Rot-sun, not so much.

Finalformminivan
Finalformminivan
1 day ago

I hate whenever a seller can’t be bothered to take complete pictures of the car they are selling. It doesn’t matter what engine is in the 510 if you don’t show it to us. The seller knows who the buyers are for this car is. As is, they are basically listing a shell.

As much as I love the 510, I’ll have to go with the Pontiac.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
1 day ago

The Pontiac looks like it was much more thoughtfully done. GM wheels, the proper coolant reservoir in place, wires routed fairly tidily, as is the intake. I’m sure some tuning and tweaking with need to be done, but it looks like you could get somewhere with it. It looks like somebody finished what they set out to build, and they’re just ready to move onto something else

The Datsun just looks like a mess. Like a project somebody gave up on.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 day ago

Welcome back, Mark! Or at least the 99.99% of you that returned from the hospital (assuming your gall bladder was left behind).

I love 510s, but not that one. Yeesh!

Disappointing that the Catalina seller couldn’t toss a photo or two of the interior, but at least there are almost limitless options for making the interiors of old muscle cars whatever you want them to be.

Anoos
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Anoos
1 day ago

Pontiac.

I love 510s, but this one has the absolute wrong engine in it. I also don’t take the sound deadening as unrealized plans. This car lived through the 90s. The sound deadening is probably left over from an old stereo installation.

FastBlackB5
FastBlackB5
1 day ago

Have to go with the 510. Its objectively the worse option, but the end result would be more fun for me than a big 60s four door. I just don’t have the same love for the 60s American cars as I do for 70’s Japanese lost causes. Most of the body is there, the rest can be figured out. $4900 is way high, but I’m just not a V8 guy and LS everything is reliable but kind of boring.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 day ago

Pontiac, please!

I guess the interior is the “project” part of what the dealership calls the “perfect project platform”, but that’s not too bad.

I am curious about the condition of the right rear quarter. There appears to be a large rough patch that wasn’t adequately prepared for paint, which may be the tip of a janky bodywork iceberg. OTOH for under $4000 I’m prepared to accept some cosmetic issues while I go do LS+4MT things.

Redfoxiii
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Redfoxiii
1 day ago

No under-hood shots of the Datsun. Automatic Nope on a swapped car.

I don't hate manual transmissions
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I don't hate manual transmissions
1 day ago

The Catalina is the better value. The 510 is the car I’d prefer to own.

Today, my practical side is winning out.

Data
Data
1 day ago

I chose the Pontiac. Hopefully I can find it in the parking lot with the Dazzle paint scheme. The 510 is just sad. The interior and the hood say no care was taken.

Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
1 day ago

Can’t pick the 510 because I’d get tired of saying “It’s not a tumor!” when asked about the hood.

Plus the Catalinas and GTOs from that era are some of the best looking cars ever!

Dr Funkhole
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Dr Funkhole
1 day ago

Matt filled your shoes admirably but very pleased to have you back, Mark! I hope you’re back to 100% in no time.

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 day ago

I want that Catalina real bad! Neat build, also my Dad grew up with a pair of ‘64 Catalina’s as the family fleet apparently. I’m better money the dealership mislabeled the trans as a 4 speed manual and it’s actually a 4 speed auto (4l60 or whatever) backing that LS.

4jim
4jim
1 day ago

I thought of the battleship camo also when I saw the photos. I wanted to pick the Datsun but wow it looks rough. For $900 i would buy it, NOT for $4900.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 day ago

Gimme the Poncho. An LS swap is practically a known quantity at this point. Somebody, somewhere can probably answer any question I might have, and repairs and upgrades are readily available.

And a running LS swapped car for under 4 grand is either a pretty good buy, or a complete disaster. I’d at least take a look!

Fordlover1983
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Fordlover1983
1 day ago

What happened to “never buy someone else’s project?”. Like all rules, it was meant to be broken. Pontiac, for me (it seems like “someone else” at least did it right). But, what kind of dealer has a car like that on it’s lot? Owner’s project?

DubblewhopperInDubblejeopardy
DubblewhopperInDubblejeopardy
1 day ago

The Catalina won today easily just by it’s taillights. Not even a contest.

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