My goal is not necessarily to make this the biggest automotive site in the known universe, as size comes with its own shortcomings. I do want to make it the best and, therefore, the most valuable automotive website. That’s hard. But, in the immortal words of Jimmy Dugan, the hard is what makes it good.
If you watched the first few seasons of Drive to Survive, you’ve got some sense of how hard Formula One is. It’s more difficult than writing The Morning Dump… usually. For a time, Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 was the best at being an F1 team. It’s not the best now, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t still incredibly valuable. How valuable? Team boss Toto Wolff is selling a piece, and the number is eye-popping.
McLaren is another F1 company, though not quite as valuable. The intermittent success of McLaren F1 hasn’t resulted in its sibling car company skyrocketing in value, which is why the company is launching an SUV. It’s about time.
Where is the value in a car dealership? A lot of it comes from service, but dealers are losing out here as customers decide they want to go anywhere else. Also, anywhere else is where GM would like any suppliers building products in China to go.
Toto Wolff Might Be Cashing Out $300 Million
The math isn’t that hard. According to Bloomberg, Mercedes F1 CEO Toto Wolff is potentially going to sell some of the team that he owns to CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz. The amount being sold is reported to be somewhere in the realm of 5%, and if it goes through as planned, it’ll make the team worth about $6 billion.
That would be the highest valuation for any F1 team, ever.
If my math is correct, that would net Wolff–husband of racing exec and former driver Susie Wolff–about $300 million. That’s not bad. Also, as the show makes clear, he lives in Monaco, which means the taxes on that $300 million windfall probably won’t be bad, either. From Bloomberg:
A $6 billion valuation would mark a record for an F1 team, underscoring robust demand to invest in a sport growing in popularity in part through the success of the Netflix series Formula 1: Drive to Survive. A stake sale in September valued the championship-winning McLaren team at more than $4 billion.
As well as Wolff, British billionaire Jim Ratcliffe’s Ineos conglomerate and German automaker Mercedes-Benz Group AG each own a third of the team, which is officially known as the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team.
Nice work if you can get it. The difference between Mercedes and McLaren as automakers is pretty significant, but McLaren has a plan.
McLaren: Sure, Let’s Do An SUV
I like McLaren cars, but I don’t love most of them. I don’t know why. There’s something that’s missing. Perhaps what’s missing is a car that isn’t some variation of a supercar/hypercar.
An SUV? Sure, why not? Here’s how that might look, as dealers told Automotive News:
The coupe-like utility vehicle, code-named P47, is one of multiple new models McLaren will deliver in the next three years, the automaker said during a Nov. 11 global dealer meeting at the McLaren Creation Centre in Bicester, England, northwest of London.
According to a retailer who attended the meeting, the five-seater hybrid SUV has the side profile of a Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT but is bigger.
A clay model of the all-wheel-drive vehicle sat on 24-inch wheels.
“The SUV is sculpted and muscular,” a dealer told Automotive News while asking not to be identified because information on the vehicle is not public. “It has presence and won’t get lost in the exotic SUV segment.”
My least favorite term is “coupe-like utility vehicle.”
Dealers Have Lost About 12% Of Service Visits Since 2018
As cars get older, you’d think dealers would be making more money from service. You would not think that if you took a 12-year-old car to your average dealer.
Cox Automotive noted this in a recent service industry study:
Even though dealerships are making more money from service, they are losing customers to regular repair shops, quick oil change places, and mobile service companies. Dealerships handle 12% fewer service visits than they did in 2018. They are losing most business from cars that are five years old or newer. In 2025, only 54% of people with cars two years old or newer went back to the dealership where they purchased for service, which is down from 72% in 2023. This idea of “buying here but getting service somewhere else” is hurting long-term customer loyalty. Car owners who get their car serviced at the dealership are much more likely (74%) to buy their next car from the same place.
It’s hard, but again, the hard is what makes it good.
GM Wants To Avoid The Headache Of The U.S.-China Supply Chain
If we’ve learned anything this year, it’s that no supplier is safe from the whims of brands, who are not safe from the whims of governments, who are not safe from the whims of, uh, the Dutch.
General Motors, which is a company that enriched itself for the last couple of decades by selling cars in China, has reportedly decided not to hassle with the country when it comes to getting parts.
GM executives have been telling suppliers they should find alternatives to China for their raw materials and parts, with the goal of eventually moving their supply chains out of the country entirely, the people said. The automaker has set a 2027 deadline for some suppliers to dissolve their China sourcing ties, some of the sources said.
GM approached some suppliers with the directive in late 2024, but the effort took on fresh urgency this past spring, during the early days of an escalating U.S.-China trade battle, the sources said. GM executives have said it is part of a broader strategy to improve the company’s supply chain “resiliency,” the sources added.
Geopolitical tensions between the two superpowers have left car executives in triage mode throughout 2025. U.S. President Donald Trump’s on-again, off-again tariffs and bouts of industry panic over potential rare-earth bottlenecks and computer-chip shortages have auto companies rethinking their ties to China, a long-important source of parts and raw materials.
As the head of the association that represents suppliers mentioned in the piece, these supply chains go back decades, so suddenly undoing them might not be as easy as it sounds.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
I chose “APESH*T” by THE CARTERS today, both because them trapesing through the Louvre is a lot funnier post-robbery, and for this line:
Gimme my check, put some respek on my check
Or pay me in equity (Pay me in equity)
Watch me reverse out the debt (Skrrt)
Beyonce famously performed at an Uber party in exchange for pre-IPO company equity, which, if you can do it, is nice!
The Big Question
Which sports car company would have made the best SUV in the ’60s or ’70s?
Top photo: DepositPhotos.com
I’m writing this comment from the waiting room at my Mazda dealer during my regular semi-annual service. This dealer offers “free oil for life” to new car buyers. They also store snow tires gratis. They still charge labor on the oil change so, no, it’s not actually free, but it does make it cheap.
As a result, it’s super convenient for me to hit the dealer twice a year for my spring and fall tire changeover and oil change, my tires are not taking up space in my garage, and the dealer gets to do all of the brake jobs and other money-making service while I’m already here — jobs I would otherwise use a local independent for. I’m happy and they’re making their money. This just seems like smart business.
I suspect many of the ‘service advisors’ don’t know squat about cars, just how to ‘make the sale’. Their previous job might have been at the Verizon store.
I called two different Subaru dealerships locally about doing the spark plugs (appears to be PITA and maintenance scheduled at 60k??). Got a huge price for plugs alone, so I inquired about cost of a 60k maintenance pkg. I then asked what the 60k pkg included. It wasn’t spark plugs or any of the other couple of things noted on the Maintenance Schedule. It was like the list was from 1980 and/or bunch of easy stuff. You don’t get to talk to an actual Service Advisor/person of knowledge when you call, just some person punching stuff up on computer. Guess you have to go in person to inquire to get real answers.
Anyway, bought plugs and going to do it myself when I get the time.
Yea I don’t understand the Subaru plugs at 60k thing. They are iridium plugs which are rated for 100k+ in any other application. I pulled them at 60 and they looked brand new.
My female coworkers go to the dealer for service and they get sold transmission flushes and other nonsense at like 40k mile intervals.
Predatory practices not good for long term business. Who knew?
I wonder if someone pony’s up for the 60k maintenance pkg, does the Tech actually do what’s in the Maintenance Schedule, or just switch out the air filter and call it a day? $1000 please.
We realized our local Toyota/Ford dealer was way overcharging us for simple maintenance work, so we switched to a small local shop. Getting an appointment in this shop means booking weeks or months in advance, they are just a 2-bay operation, but they do it right and at a fair price. I’m hoping to never go back to that dealer again.
The same Toyota/Ford dealer also refuses to work on our Ford EV (didn’t buy it from them). I was pleasantly surprised that the Ford dealer from the next town will do free pickup and dropoff on any service, even a $40 10,000 mile checkup. I’m a big fan of that level of convenience, but they dang EVs just don’t need any service anyway.
GM already had the SUV. Suburban and those older ones have some cool style. The new ones look like oversized psychotic station wagons.
Regarding dealership service. My issue is the service managers nowadays seem to rarely know much about their brands cars. I just can’t understand how this is possible as they deal with hundreds of cars a month so one would hope they learn a bit about the cars.
Case in point. I took my Ioniq 5 in for its first 12000km service. The service manager did not seem to even know what work was required for this service. As I have winter tires, I told them to not rotate the summer tires as that will happen when the winters are put on. I was told point blank by the manager they would not be removing the tires. The scheduled service definitely was going to remove the rims for some the service according to my service manual. But no, they insisted the tires would not be moved. Ummmm…. ok.
I also told them my name as the car was registered in their system in my wife’s name. They wrote something down so I figured they got that info.
About an hour later, while waiting in the dealership waiting area, I hear someone calling out my wife’s name. I pause and see no one else responding so I ask if they are dealing with an Ioniq 5. Yup they were looking for me.
The kicker, the same service manager then asked me if I want my tires rotated!! WTF. I looked at them and said I very clearly told them the answer when I checked in the car. Blank look. Sigh. So I told them to not rotate the tires.
So in one visit, I now have serious concerns about this service department. They did not listen to anything I said at check-in apparently. Well done.
Now, one positive came out of this. I got a follow up call from Hyundai Canada regarding my service experience and I explained the above. I got a call back from the person in charge of the service department. I got multiple calls and texts from the service manager I worked with as well. So apparently there were actually consequences for the dealership and the service manager. Whether that actually changes anything is another story.
Man, this is such a pet peeve of mine. The post–service survey. I have spoken to quite a few people that work at different dealers and it seems every car manufacturer operates the same.
They actually get bonuses for high scores on the surveys and things like that (no idea if getting negative scores costs them anything though). But here’s the thing; the manufacturer will only score them as win or lose, nothing in between. And to win the survey must be perfect. 5/5 on every category. This pisses me off to no end.
In no other part of life I can think of does anyone need to score 100% just to be considered passing. All other scores are failing in this regard.
So, you end up being told by the advisor or manager that if you have any concerns or whatever to please contact them. They want you to go to them before the survey comes out. I’ve been to dealerships that put pressure on you and tell you upfront that it has to be all 5/5 scores.
To me, you’re not getting any valuable feedback in these scenarios. And it’s a waste of my time. I don’t even take the calls anymore because I don’t want to participate in a system like that. Take a 4/5 as a win and consider real scores if you want honest feedback. Because having the dealer just get mad at customers because they didn’t give a perfect score seems to be a perfect recipe for… basically the situation we’re in now with dealers treating people like shit and customers having no alternative way to buy new cars.
In the end, my experience was ridiculous and the dealer should have some consequences. This also probably explains why the dealer was so desperate for me to do some online survey before the end of the month. I got three texts asking me to fill out some survey. Each one was escalating and practically begging me to fill out the survey. It was odd. I did not.
I have no idea how Hyundai scored my feedback. I gave my detailed feedback. There were no yes/no and rate out 5 questions asked.
I have actually had pretty good experience with Hyundai dealers as a whole. It was the first time I used this dealer as they moved into a fancy new location that is much closer to me than any other Hyundai dealer by a significant margin.
I see how dealers might not like the system, but what is the alternative? Without some financial incentive how can you encourage dealers to be better?
In my case, the advisor did not treat me badly. Heck, we bought from this dealer and the experience was exceptional. (And friends referred also had amazing sales experiences.) But they were grossly incompetent at listening in the service department. It gives me serious pause as to why I would go back to them in the future as I’m not sure I trust them to address any issues I might have. It’s hard to fix things if you don’t actually listen to the customer.
The local dealer where I’ve purchased many Hondas has, over the years, left the battery cables loose, eventually stranding my wife, removed the air filter and forgot to put it back, and removed the wrong door’s seal when I brought it in for warranty work. That’s why I’m not going back.
Base effects. 2-5 years ago, people were traveling across the country to find ANY car not marked up $10k. Of course they’re not all going back to where they bought it for service.
Depending on the car you are looking for it can still be that way. I had to set the search radius at 100 miles to get more than a couple hits when looking for my CPO Audi Allroad last spring and while the dealer seemed pretty good I am not driving the length of Long Island and paying a ton of tolls to get my oil changed…
I’m hoping that any future car I own has the expectation and service recommendation of maybe 1 trip to a dealership for maintenance in 200,000 miles, and otherwise only occasional trips to a tire shop.
Could the dealership visits be down because cars are a bit more reliable now also?
Or, are they are too busy doing recall work to working regular stuff?
Would that not be considered service visits?
I was under impression that recall work is not as lucrative as regular work?
Some of my friends/coworkers have moved on to independents for service since hard to book an appointment in within a week or two.
Maybe those dealers should try not gouging their customers at every chance? You reap what you sow MFers!
“Which sports car company would have made the best SUV in the ’60s or ’70s?”
Lamborghini of course!
Lamborghini Is Always The Answer
I’ve spent a great many hours at the Service center counter arguing on behalf of others.
If there’s one thing that drives me up the wall, it’s Service Advisors who think they’re smarter than the average bear and won’t stay in their lane.
Arguing over an unneeded pad replacement they suckered my spouse into before I caught wind.
It wasn’t until I took out my trade license and put it on the counter, asking for his to compare, that he finally shut the fuck up and admitted they shafted her.
We’ve never been back to that dealer for any purpose. I’ll drive to the next city first.
I want to like McLaren’s. But, my experience left me unimpressed. I booked track time with a McLaren 700LT. Beautiful looking car. Great specs.
The thing is, that car is apparently made for leprechauns. My instructor fiddled for a ridiculous amount of time trying to adjust the seat to get me properly situated. Eventually we found a position that worked that but was most certainly not optimal. The foot well was tiny and my feet barely fit (size 12 so nothing crazy shoe size). To top it off the quality of the cockpit materials fit and feel was mediocre at best.
I am tall (6′ 3″) so I expected a tight fit, but there is absolutely no way I would buy one of those things to drive regularly. They had two other McLaren models I could drive, but the instructor said the seating would be just as bad.
I fit comfortably in lots of other sports cars. Porsche 911 GT3, Corvette C5 and C6, Supra Mk4 are all comfortable. (Though I disliked the stupid center stack in the C6 making the cabin feel small and cramped for no apparent benefit.)
The drive with the 700LT was fun and the performance was impressive. I could never find the limit of the impressive brakes despite dropping into corners with enough speed to see the instructor tense up the fist few times I did that. (A GT3 had already screamed off the track onto grass missing a barrier by a few inches so instructors were getting tense instructions from the course marshal about proper speeds.)
I was only passed by one car (A different 911 GT3) during my first lap of the rather busy driving session. So overall it was a lot of fun. But it will be the last time I ever drive a McLaren as I just do not fit.
I found it bizarre that the McLaren decided to make a car where only someone under 5’10” could truly get comfortable. My instructor (6′ tall) even said he had trouble fitting in the McLaren’s.
McLarens are perfectly roomy, I fail to see the issue. My being only 5’7″ has nothing to do with it.
Well played. Very well played. A tip of the hat to you kind sir. 🙂
I’m also on the shorter side (I generously describe myself as 5’10) and whenever my tall friends complain about not being able to fit into something I always hold my single advantage over them. Okay Mr. Big Tall Man, you get to brag about your height and instantly get swiped right on every dating app but can you drive a Miata?
No? Ahhhh that’s too bad. It’s a great experience that you’ll never have that I can go enjoy whenever I want. Sucker!
My spouse showed me the scene in of Chris Kattan driving a Miata in Corky Romano as an explanation as to why she hates them (I love them).
She then paused and said “I just realised that this probably just makes you want one more.”
That woman understands me so well.
This actually hits home a bit more than I’d like.
I do all my maintenance on even brand new vehicles. I save all my receipts and maintain 2 different maintenance logs. One on a spreadsheet and one on a book in the glove box. I don’t trust dealerships to do the basic services right. I’m sure it would be fine for the most part but I know that no one else will treat my vehicle like I will.
I bought my last vehicle with 16k miles on it from a dealer. It was already missing most of the fasteners to hold the engine apron on bottom. Might have had 2 oil changes?
The old Bluetooth fastener trick huh?
Maybe if car dealerships were concerned about this they could stop treating their customers like garbage and create an environment that’s professional? My wife stopped getting her CRV serviced at the dealership because every time she was there a different service advisor would recommend like $3,000 worth of unnecessary work….oftentimes work that had already been done at that damn dealership.
How dumb do you think your average customer is? The level of disrespect was too much for her and now she takes her car to a Goodyear shop that’s a mile away. They’ll still try to sell us shit we don’t need every now and then but they’re not pulling anything truly egregious, we get our tires there anyway, and they’re way cheaper than the dealership.
The things I’ve encountered taking my Kona in for service at the local Hyundai dealership include but are not limited to: customers verbally and even physically accosting service techs, a couple basically having sex with their clothes on in front of the entire waiting room that included several children, dogs running around the service department for some reason, I’m sure I’m forgetting something.
They recently built a new service department that’s a lot nicer and they seem to be doing a better job of keeping a lid on things there so far, but sheesh. And to be fair they also handled a warranty claim of mine pretty quickly and without issue which is very much not the norm for Hyundai/Kia/Genesis, but still. It’s a lackluster experience and I mainly just go there because I know what they do will show up on the CarFax reliably/Kona Ns are dying on the front lines of the tuner wars and I think my pampered example might result in a decent private sale down the line to someone on a budget who wants a fun curiosity.
But overall? Oh nooooo, it’s the consequences of your own actions. When you openly disdain your customers and assume they’re all helpless troglodytes people will wind up taking their business elsewhere. That’s too bad.
Yeah businesses losing customers because they have a shit product is capitalism working as it should. In the case of standard dealership service, there are easy alternatives and customers are increasingly choosing them. This will hopefully lead to improvements at the dealership to recapture said customers.
However some of that business is never happening in the first place because cars are so reliable now. That is one sort of strange benefit to the separation of dealers and manufacturers is the OEMs are strongly incentivized to reduce maintenance burdens. If the OEMs also ran service bays, well, it gets muddier.
Like you said, I have seen some upping their game recently with nicer waiting rooms and such.
And, of course, in true capitalist fashion the ridiculously overpowered car dealership legal bribery committee (that’s what lobbying is, let’s be real here) is trying to force the government to mandate cars be serviced only by them. It’s almost like all of this is just a giant scam, or something…
TBQ: Lamborghini. Failing that, Porsche. Basically, any sports car manufacturers that also made farm equipment.
Reading down further, Lamborghini actually did make one, apparently…
Fun fact: The legal description of farm equipment, as captured in Ontario’s “Highway Traffic Act” is “Implements of Husbandry”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Cheetah
The LM002 is definitely on my list of shit I’d buy if I won the lottery. I know it’s actually god awful and I don’t care. It’s just so lovably absurd. The idea of a manual off roader powered by a supercar V12 (I think it was still carbureted too?) seems almost beyond comprehension today.
But it’s real. They actually made 300 of the damn things…and Eddie Van Halen owned one of them, along with a bunch of middle eastern war criminals. It’s just so ridiculous it seems like it could never exist…but it does!
It’s on my list too, for much the same reasons.
Everyone loves a Rambo Lambo. I would also love to own one for a while to experience it.
Maybe we should start an Autopian timeshare… Rambo level members get a week with the Lambo.
I bring my newish car to my local garage for oil changes, etc. for three reasons: 1. I trust them completely that the will take the time to do it right, not over or under fill the crankcase. 2. They keep to their appointment times, no waiting around 2 to 3 hours for an hour oil change. 3. Will not bullshit me that the brakes need to be dusted (Ford dealer in the past) or some such crap.
I had made an on line appointment for an oil change at the dealer where I bought this car. It asked if was being picked up or needed a loaner. Neither, I was going to wait, after all I had a 9:30 appt on Saturday confirmed. So I called, the poor service manager who I spoke with sounded overwhelmed (on a Wednesday). I offered could wait two hours and go shopping in the same plaza area, could he promise that? He would not, as he explained that the the new walk in and express services that have become the latest rage at dealerships have thrown scheduling into chaos. It seems walk ins have priority over scheduled appts. I really feel for him, as he is tasked with full filling promises made by others who have no consideration of how it would affect service departments. I cancelled the appt as I had a vision of the lowest guy in the service department being hounded to speed up each oil and filter change, running from car to car, and sooner than later missing an incredibly important step on a car. Which would probably be mine. Nope.
About the only reason I service with the dealer is I work in the business and get employee discounts. If it weren’t for that, the second the free maintenance and/or warranty is up, I’d be going elsewhere.
I didn’t even use the free maintenance on my car. I don’t trust dealer service centers at all. I’m sure the majority of them are fine but I don’t want to get some BS pitch about a $300 fuel injector cleaning service every time I go in.
Another benefit of being in the business- they generally leave me alone about upsells.
I tried to take my 2012 MX-5 to the dealer for A/C service in 2024. They cut me off mid-sentence and told me they don’t work on cars older than 10 years. Personally, the third generation MX-5 was in production in 2015, so they should still work on it. I took it to a third party for service, which essentially ended up being adding refrigerant and adding dye to look for a leak, which was not found.
The Mazda dealer keeps sending me emails telling me to come in for service by the people who know my car best; fuckers. I guess I have 2 years left where they would service the Mazda6, but I’m not really inclined to take my business to them.
I’ve had the same experience when I still had my Corvette. If the dealer is mostly framing how it’s a bad thing because they won’t buy their next car from that dealer, why should the person giving the service give a shit if their car is 10+ years old?
Luckily the Lotus dealer I take my car to doesn’t care because that’s the only one in the area I could find that can work on it.
This is what happens when you go to a car dealership and order a pizza. Oh, Wait, you went to the dealership and tried to pay them money to do the thing that they do? My brother and I are always amazed how many places won’t take our money to do their job.
This is mayyyybe understandable if the reason is because they don’t want to deal with servicing/stocking Ford era parts, but I doubt that’s the reason.
I was thinking it’s probably something with their insurance company drawing a cutoff line for liability reasons, be it some combo of age related roadworthiness or too many customers saying “you changed my oil and [unrelated to service] broke which I never actually paid attention to or serviced but now you owe me.”
Refrigerant is a closed loop system. They may not have found a leak, but you have one somewhere.
No. The refrigerant leaks through the hoses. Maybe every 10 years or so my cars need a recharge. (Household AC is typically all hard lines vs the flexible rubber neeed in automotive, so the leak rate there is basically zero)
I would say that means you need to replace your hoses. The rubber hoses do not leak in proper condition.
Mazda is the only brand that I’ve had a good service experience where they were honest yet proactive, not pushy, and priced fairly, and that was at 3 / 5 dealers. One of them was so good that my parents ended up taking their Toyota and Subaru there for service rather than the brand’s service center or the independent shop they used to use. Other than that it’s 0/3 Toyota, 0/3 VW/Audi (can I give negative points here?) 1/3 Honda, 1/4 Chevy, and 0/1 Hyundai.
If you’re mechanically inclined, https://www.zoomzoomnationparts.com/ (Orland Park Mazda in IL) sells OEM parts significantly below MSRP. If the part you need isn’t listed or navigable via the UI you can just type in the Mazda part number and it seems to default to 45% off MSRP. (many service and parts manuals are available at jdmfsm.info if you need to look up the part numbers).
If anybody knows other places to buy OEM parts at prices cheaper than the regular dealership price, please do share.
Maybe if dealerships treated their senior techs better and didnt try to kick them out the door to make room for cheap inexperienced “techs”, the quality of work would go up, which would bring back customers, also maybe not trying to empty your customer’s wallets everytime they come in for a simple service would help.
I bought my Crosstrek in 2019 with 9 miles on it. It just hit 70K (I have 2-3 other cars) & every service has been at the dealer so far because they are amazing and do quality work I trust.
My GR Corolla just hit 20K, I bought it used at about 7K. I tried a dealer at 10K & they did ok. At 15K I had to argue with two service advisors that it did indeed need an oil change (not every 10K). At 20K I tried another dealer and they didn’t have enough stock of trans fluid to complete the service, and they didn’t even attempt the brake fluid change that was due.
I will likely not take the GR back to a dealer.
Wow! That’s quite the difference. Is one of them a franchised dealer? Both?
They’re all legit new-car dealerships, if that’s what you mean. Wagner Subaru is one of the oldest Subbie dealerships in the USA I believe. Walker and Voss Toyota can both go pound sand.
After they charged me $90 for 4 quarts and oil filter last time I visited my Chevy Dealer + $20 for tire rotation when it was around $60 including the tire rotation, I decided to go somewhere else next time. And they had the nerve to put a sticker to come back in 5K miles when the Volt usually needs an oil change once a year based on the amount of electric miles I drive.
British Leyland introduced the Range Rover for 1970
Wild question. Does Land Rover count? No?
Sigh…fine. Lamborghini made the LM002 in the 80’s. Imagine something like that, but prettier (less…80’s Countachy).