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The World’s First Production Solid-State EV Battery Was Independently Tested Again And The Biggest Questions Still Aren’t Answered

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Roughly three months ago, electric motorcycle startup Verge Motorcycles announced something huge, claiming its updated Verge TS motorcycle will ship as the “world’s first production vehicle with an all-solid-state battery.” This announcement shook the world of EVs because seemingly overnight, this little company that few have heard about achieved the holy grail that others have been working on for decades. The battery, which comes from Donut Lab, claims to give the motorcycle 370 miles of range, can be charged in only five minutes, delivers 400 Wh/kg of energy density, is cheaper to manufacture than lithium-ion batteries, and is made out of 100 percent green materials. All of these claims were made without any proof. Now, Donut Lab is providing that proof through independent tests. The third test was just published, and somehow, three weeks in, the biggest questions of this battery still aren’t answered.

I can’t believe I’m at the edge of my seat about battery news, and yet here we are. I first wrote about the new Verge TS Pro and its solid-state battery back in January. I, like so much of the media and even the executives of major battery manufacturers, was skeptical. The chairman of  China’s Svolt Energy straight up said that the battery doesn’t exist and that any person with a basic grasp of technology would call it a scam. Certainly, countless Internet commenters pulled no punches in calling the Donut Lab battery a scam.

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Vidframe Min Bottom

Why? Solid-state battery technology is not some new science fiction thing that was just invented. Some of the largest automotive and tech companies in the world and research institutions have been working on solid-state batteries for decades. These companies have produced working solid-state batteries and even made working prototype vehicles with the batteries. LG Chem, BASF, MIT, Oxford, Toyota, QuantumScape, Solid Power, ProLogium, Factorial Energy, CATL, BYD, Nissan, Blue Solutions, Honda, and so many others have been trying to crack the holy grail for so long. Their solid-state batteries are still a long way from production.

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Verge Motorcycles

All of the aforementioned entities were apparently leapfrogged by Donut Lab, a laboratory in Finland that was founded only two years ago by the same guys who made the Verge hubless wheel motor electric motorcycle. Understandably, there’s no shortage of skeptics. Solid-state batteries have the potential to change the world. These batteries could enable the existence of long-range electric aircraft, solve the largest complaints with electric cars, and be the ultimate form of electrical energy storage. Imagine owning an electric vehicle that charges as fast as a gasoline car fills its tank. It could put gasoline on notice.

So, it’s a huge deal when anyone says they’re going to make the world’s first solid-state battery vehicle. Donut Lab says everything it’s saying is true, and to prove it, Donut Lab’s battery has been subjected to tests by the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland for third-party verification. Donut Lab has made the frustrating decision to drip-feed these tests out one at a time, once a week, in a series called “I Donut Believe,” like this is a season of Star Trek. I get that this is a great way to get media attention and clicks to Donut Lab’s social media, but people want proof, not to be a part of a social media experiment.

The Claims

Donut Lab

I will bring you up to speed on what has happened already. Here’s what I wrote when the battery was announced in January:

Lehtimäki claims his team has made a battery that can charge in only five minutes, will last more than 100,000 cycles with almost no degradation, is cheaper to make than lithium-ion batteries, delivers 400 Wh/kg, and is made out of 100 percent green materials. Simply put, Verge and Donut Lab claimed to have built the holy grail of batteries.

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Donut Lab claims that this battery is better than any other in that it retains 99 percent capacity in minus 30 Celsius and also when it’s above 100 Celsius, unlike lithium chemistry. Donut Lab also says you can run the battery to zero or charge it to 100 percent as many times as you want without hurting it. As for lifespan, Donut Lab says it’ll last the entire life of the vehicle, making the threat of having to replace a worn battery a thing of the past. The company then talks about these cells not having thermal runaway problems, weighing less than lithium batteries, and, somehow, even costing less to make than lithium batteries.

As if all that wasn’t unbelievable enough, Donut Lab then claims, “In fact, we found ourselves designing a slower charging speed so riders can plug in and actually have time to drink a latte and enjoy it instead of downing an espresso and rushing back to their bike.” Weirdly, Verge also says that its version of the Donut Battery will last for 10,000 cycles rather than 100,000.

The Tests

VTT Technical Research Centre

The first test performed by VTT proved that Donut’s battery can charge seriously fast. That test involved the battery getting charged seven times, of which five of those cycles were fast charges, and three of the fast-charge cycles were at 11C current. One of the 11C tests had to be canceled as a safety measure because the battery reached 90 degrees Celsius when it was attached to a single heat sink.

These tests proved none of Donut Lab’s claims aside from the idea that the battery can charge quickly. Thus, the test left us with more questions than answers. Click here to read my story about the test.

I decided to skip reporting on the second test, the temperature test, because it had the same problem as the first test of proving only a single data point while offering no valuable information about the rest of the claims. Now, we have the third test, the one that Donut Lab says disproves the claim that Donut Lab is playing loose with its terminology and is actually just rebranding a supercapacitor. Let’s look into what’s happened since we last looked at the Donut Lab battery.

The Second Test

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This image shows the battery sandwiched between a heat sink below and a steel plate on top for pressure. Credit: VTT Technical Research Centre

Let’s start with the test I skipped, the temperature test. Here’s the summary from VTT (report VTT-CR-00124-26):

The aim of the project was to conduct independent high-temperature discharge performance tests on the energy storage device supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as a solid-state battery cell. Based on the results of the initial capacity test within the recommended voltage range, the capacity of the tested cell was determined to be 24.9 Ah. Following the capacity measurement, the cell’s discharge performance under high temperature conditions was evaluated. The first discharge test was performed at +80 °C using a discharge current of 24 A. The second discharge test was conducted at +100 °C using a discharge current of 12 A. Charging was consistently performed at +20 °C.

This test involved three scenarios: a capacity test at +20 °C (68 °F), a discharge test at +80 °C (176 °F), and a discharge test at +100 °C (212 °F). The cell, called “Donut Solid State Battery V1” was tested to have a nominal capacity of 26 Ah and 94 Wh of energy at 3.6 V.

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The battery without the heat sink or steel plate. Credit: VTT Technical Research Centre

At room temperature, the cell delivered 24.9 Ah of capacity at a 1C (24 A) discharge rate. At 176 degrees and the same 24 A discharge, the battery delivered 27.5 Ah of juice. At 212 degrees and at a 12 A, the battery returned 27.6 Ah capacity. In each case, the battery charged normally at room temperature after the high heat test. VTT’s conclusions made for a dry read, but note what happened to the pouch’s seal, from VTT:

This project included an independent high-temperature discharge performance test on an energy storage device supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as a solid-state battery cell. Based on the initial capacity test, the capacity of the cell was determined to be 24.9 Ah. The cell was discharged at +80 °C and +100 °C in accordance with the customer’s test plan, and capacity, energy and cell temperature were recorded.

Under the specified conditions, the cell was successfully discharged at +80 °C using a current of 24 A, achieving a discharge capacity corresponding to 110.5 % of the initial discharge capacity at +20 °C with the same current. After the discharge, the cell was able to be charged normally, and no observable changes were detected.

The cell was also discharged at +100 °C using a current of 12 A, achieving 107.1 % of the reference discharge capacity measured at +20 °C using the same current. After the discharge, the cell was able to be charged normally; however, the cell pouch was observed to have lost its vacuum.

The temperature tests were great in showing that the Donut Lab battery does appear to keep its composure when it’s really hot. It also didn’t experience a thermal runaway. It is unclear how serious the issue with the cell breaking its seal is. The fast-charging test and the temperature test both also have the limitation that they’re tests of a single cell rather than a completed pack. How will an entire pack of cells charge and deal with heat? We don’t know. Even Donut Lab admits that the two VTT tests don’t simulate the cell balancing or the thermal management of a whole battery pack.

The Third Test

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VTT Technical Research Centre

The third test is where things get interesting. Ever since January, there has been a persistent rumor that Donut Lab didn’t make a solid-state battery, but a supercapacitor, and is simply rebranding a supercapacitor from Nordic Nano with the nanoprinting technology and nanomass from Germany’s Holyvolt. I can see why this rumor continues to float around, as supercapacitors can charge really fast, are cheap enough to be mass-produced, and can last tens of thousands of cycles.

To disprove the rumor, Donut Lab had VTT perform a self-discharge test. From VTT report VTT-CR-00125-26:

The aim of the project was to conduct an independent self-discharge performance test on the energy storage device supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as a solid-state battery cell. Based on the results of the initial capacity test conducted within the recommended voltage range, the capacity of the tested cell was determined to be 26.5 Ah.

The cell was first fully charged, and its capacity was measured using a charging current of 24 A with a 0.48 A constant-voltage cut-off current. After charging, the cell was discharged at a constant current of 24 A until the lower voltage limit of 2.7 V was reached.

Following the capacity measurement, the self-discharge behaviour of the cell was evaluated at ambient temperature (22–28 °C). The cell was charged in two stages to approximately 50 % state of charge and then left to idle for 240 hours, during which the cell voltage was recorded at 10-second intervals. After the idle period, the cell was discharged at a 24 A current to measure the remaining discharge capacity. A total of 97.7 % of the charged capacity was able to be discharged from the cell.

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VTT Technical Research Centre

The test starts out simply enough, with VTT running an initial capacity test, revealing a 26.5 Ah capacity at 1C current. For the self-discharge test, the battery was charged back up to 50 percent and then left to sit for 10 days at ambient temperature. The lab measured capacity every 10 seconds during the 10 days. At the end, the battery measured at 13.029 Ah, or 97.7 percent of the capacity when the test started.

As for voltage, the cell dropped by 60 mV in the first 10 seconds and then 103 mV in the first hour. From 10 hours to the end of the test, 10 days later, the voltage dropped only 12 mV further. This shows that the cell stabilized.

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Screenshot: Battery University

How does this test compare to lithium batteries? According to the book “Batteries in a Portable World – A Handbook on Rechargeable Batteries for Non-Engineers”, a lithium battery can lose as much as five percent in the first hour after charging, then one percent to three percent per month after. That assumes the battery is at room temperature and isn’t being subjected to a parasitic drain.

The Donut Lab battery lost 2.3 percent over 10 days. Unfortunately, since the test was only 10 days long and not a month or longer, it’s not known how much of that 2.3 percent can be attributed to the relaxing that happens after charging. The 12 mV loss over 230 hours is a good sign that the battery can sit for a long time at a low self-discharge rate. Either way, the test isn’t exactly breaking any new ground.

Donut Insists The Battery Is Not A Supercapacitor

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Nordic Nano

What’s interesting about that last test is how Donut Lab is interpreting it. The company seems to care less about the self-discharge rate than about busting the rumor of the company using a supercapacitor. The image above shows Nordic Nano’s advertising for its supercapacitor. Here’s the summary from Donut Lab:

The 3rd independent test of the Donut Battery, conducted by VTT, evaluates its charge retention over an extended idle period. The cell was connected to a battery tester for ten days, with voltage measured every 10 seconds. Cell voltage stabilised within the first 10 hours and remained level for the remaining nine and a half days, confirming normal battery-type charge retention – not the rapid linear discharge characteristic of supercapacitors. The results demonstrate stable, predictable energy storage suitable for real-world vehicle applications.

The company also sent me an email with the headline, in all caps: “DONUT BATTERY’S THIRD TEST RESULTS PUBLISHED – SUPERCAPACITOR THEORIES DISPELLED.”

So Many Questions

Donut Lab

After three tests, we now know that Donut Lab has made a battery that charges fast, can survive two discharge cycles under high heat, and has the self-discharge rate expected from a battery. Somehow, none of the most significant questions have been answered. Donut Lab says its battery has the energy density of 400 Wh/kg, is cheaper to make than a lithium battery, will last more than 100,000 cycles with almost no degradation, and is made with 100 percent green materials.

None of these tests has brought us any closer to those big questions. Donut Lab knows what its battery is made of, yet it won’t tell anyone what the battery is aside from the fact that it’s not a supercapacitor. As time goes on, there are more questions. Where are the patent applications? Where are the companies falling over themselves to get this battery? I mean, the governments of the world are going to want to put these things in drones, forget a $30,000 motorcycle that few can afford.

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Verge Motorcycles

This is why this strategy of drip-feeding the tests once a week is so infuriating. If these tests have been performed, Donut Lab should just release the data. Also, Verge Motorcycles says it will ship the first customer motorcycles with these batteries in the first quarter. Well, that deadline is the end of this month.

Donut Lab CEO Marko Lehtimäki is betting the farm on this battery. The reputations of himself, Donut Lab, and Verge Motorcycles are on the line here. That’s what makes this battery so fascinating. Either the Donut Lab battery will be proven to be the miracle it’s claimed to be, or we’ll find out that this whole thing will go down in flames like the Fyre Festival of batteries. Again, the frustrating thing is that there’s nothing stopping Donut Lab from just releasing all of the tests and getting this over with.

I really want this battery to be the game-changer it’s being advertised to be. I love the thought of hopping into a plane and not burning leaded fuel, but taking off into the sky on batteries. Imagine a world where today’s complaints about batteries are a thing of the past. If Donut Lab invented that, I desperately want to see it. But I guess we’ll have to check back in for next week’s episode.

Top graphic images: Donut Lab; Verge Motorcycles

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Burt Curry
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Burt Curry
15 minutes ago

Maybe they are slowly feeding these tests out is because they still haven’t managed to make a complete battery that can be manufactured easily and packaged well for it’s intended use. They are testing one cell only. Let’s hope this isn’t ike the table top fusion claims from the past.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
24 minutes ago

Separately, BYD & Geely both recently announced 1500kW charging with BYD’s Blade 2.0 charging to near-full in 5 minutes.

So is Donut Labs’ claim really out of this world?
It does, however, still look like a lab experiment.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
27 minutes ago

“These batteries could enable the existence of long-range electric aircraft,

I very much doubt that. They do not solve the even bigger problems of where all that electrical energy is going to come from nor how all that electrical energy will get from the power plant to the airport. Nor do they solve anything emissions wise unless all the energy flowing into those batteries is renewably sourced. Aviation jet engines are about as efficient as power plant turbines so might as well burn fossil fuels at 30,000 feet as on the ground.

The real deal breaker though is the 400 Wh/kg claims made for these batteries still pales in comparison to the 12,000 Wh energy density of jet fuel. Even taking in the ~50% losses of combustion jet fuel is about 15x as energy dense by weight as these batteries. Furthermore a battery powered airplane sheds no weight along the way whereas one powered by jet fuel does, extending the range even further. Trying to run a long range aircraft on these batteries is going to cut deeply into cargo capacity.

“be the ultimate form of electrical energy storage.”

I wouldn’t say they will surpass pumped hydro…unless you want to put in the caveat “mobile form of energy storage”.

“solve the largest complaints with electric cars”

That EVs are boring? I think your confusing “solid state” with “soulid state”. It’s common mistake.

RC
RC
3 minutes ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

The real deal breaker though is the 400 Wh/kg claims made for these batteries still pales in comparison to the 12,000 Wh energy density of jet fuel.

I wish people would pay more attention to this. None of that this battery is claiming to have accomplished is really that earth-shattering (LTO chemistry has done this for the past decade, and cells are commercially available via Toshiba), except for the energy density, and even that is nowhere near what fossil fuels can provide. 400wh/kg is roughly 5.5 pounds for a kwh (and probably another half pound for thermal management and casing and the like). This is still way under what you need to be comparable to gasoline (to play fast and loose with conversions, most EV’s get about 2.5-3.5 miles per kwh; gasoline yields about 20MPG). So the same weight of this battery gets you 3 miles (again, averages) vs. 20 for gas.

It’s not displacing avgas or regular gas anytime soon. Especially avgas, where regeneration is not a thing you can do in flight and where the thermal management problems become much more strict. 400wh/kg would be a breakthrough, to be sure, but is still almost an order of magnitude off of what we need to make something like commercial aircraft feasible.

Tekamul
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Tekamul
35 minutes ago

I’m really hopeful this is the real deal, but it seems unlikely.
I just freed my now 10 (!) year old electric motorcycle from Winter slumber this morning. The battery was never a long range weapon, but now it’s feeling its age. I’d love there to be new technology on the market before I replace this.

JunkerDave
JunkerDave
48 minutes ago

If they actually are shipping motorcycles by the end of March, we’ll probably know by mid-April. You’ve gotta figure that every big company working on solid state batteries has their order in for one.

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
52 minutes ago

Is that little pink bunny still going? Maybe they just grabbed it.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
58 minutes ago

1) I bet the reason for this drip feed is because the battery testing is on-going. They’re probably publishing results as soon as they are getting them

2) “Donut Lab says its battery has the energy density of 400 Wh/kg” I feel like the testing reports have enough data to calculate a ballpark Wh/kg

Last edited 57 minutes ago by Cayde-6
Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
55 minutes ago
Reply to  Cayde-6

2) I haven’t looked at the testing reports where they are published on the site. Is there any mention of the mass or volume of the cells? Mercedes hasn’t referenced any.

Cayde-6
Cayde-6
52 minutes ago

I haven’t either. But I figure someone could estimate size based on the pictures, and get a weight from that.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
1 hour ago

Donut Solid State EV Battery… is people!

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
54 minutes ago

100% green materials!

Hoser68
Hoser68
34 minutes ago

The weird thing of this reference is how a company didn’t seem to get it.

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I’ve seen this product at a local grocery store. First ones I saw were the Green bottles.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
14 minutes ago
Reply to  Hoser68

Oh I know. I have a friend that drinks this stuff. He’s a nerd though and actually finds it being marketed as Soylent, funny.

I would imagine for most people that sort of product connotation is… unappetizing at best.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
1 hour ago

I’ve seen a few videos which discussed the first 2 tests and I don’t believe Donut is a scam anymore.

These were videos by people in the industry or had technical knowledge about battery tech. Some of the things being discovered mean they can’t be some of the existing technologies on the market right now because they fall outside of the temperature range or voltage levels of other chemistries.

I want to read up more on these 3rd tests, but I do believe this company has got something going, and the reason they are being so secretive is they know Chinese companies will be stealing their ideas the second this technology is revealed.

They know the Chinese respect no patents or intellectual property, so they are trying to get as much VC money as possible now.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 hour ago
Reply to  Hazdazos

Your second point makes sense as far as them being coy about their breakthroughs. It seems to be working, the Chinese are clearly in disbelief based on their comments

Minivanlife
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Minivanlife
1 hour ago

Whatever we think of their batteries (which may or may do what the company says), their marketing is spot on with weekly releases to stay in the news cycle. Here’s hoping their scientists are as clever as their marketers.

Baker Stuzzen
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Baker Stuzzen
1 hour ago

This doesn’t feel like the behaviour of a company announcing a major technological breakthrough to me. More like a youtuber video series of their latest project, and the final “challenge” video fails spectacularly, but is all just done for laughs and clicks. This really feels like that. I wonder how high they can get the company valuation?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Hopefully high enough to prevent someone from absorbing them right away and filing this beside the Ark of the Covenants in Indiana Jones.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
1 hour ago

It’s still really suspicious that Donut doesn’t want to Discharge these Negative rumors right away and instead is subjecting us to this Battery of little updates. This Trickle-charge of information isn’t doing them any favors and isn’t getting anyone Amped up by this supposed breakthrough

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
51 minutes ago

All they want to do is stay in the Current news cycle without causing a reVolt.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 hour ago

People have told me I should not really worry that much about what’s in a Boston cream, but I’m still not willing to try them out for myself.

JJ
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JJ
1 hour ago

I’ve always called it “pus.”

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