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This Is The Amazing Machine The AMC Eagle Could Have Become Had AMC Survived

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If all of the Autopian staff is looking forward to watching a PBS documentary, you can sort of assume that it won’t be some snoozefest about the Great Potato Famine or a Ken Burns thing on the smallpox pandemic. No, the six-part series we’re so stoked about concerns what is one of our favorite dead car brands: American Motors.

That’s right. Film producer and Autopian writer Joe Ligo quit his job to make The Last Independent Automaker, a six-part series out now that details the rise and fall of AMC, the forgotten challenger to the Big Three that employed hundreds of thousands of people and built millions of vehicles from 1954 to 1987. Spoiler alert: it won’t have a happy ending. Chrysler bought the company primarily for the Jeep brand and let the often-innovative non-SUV products rapidly die off.

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For that reason, I’m revisiting one of the first things I did for the Autopian three years ago. I imagined what the American automotive landscape might have looked like if Chrysler had been allowed to go bankrupt in 1978. This scenario almost certainly would have played out if not for the U.S. government stepping in to guarantee loans for Chrysler (but thanks to the great Lee Iacocca’s work, the Fed ultimately never had to actually shell out one dime to Mopar until the Financiapocolyps of 2008). With that member of the Big 3 gone, it’s possible that American Motors could have filled the gap with their creative thinking to combat GM, Ford, and the rising imports.

I’ve been slowly going through the alternate universe AMC models that I showed in a fake 1987 full-line advertisement that I made back in 2022:

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One car in this “ad” that I haven’t dug deeper into is the next generation of one of the most iconic AMCs from what proved to be the brand’s last decade: the Eagle. This one was highly deserving of a remake, since it was a car whose time really didn’t come until long after Chrysler had put the last American Motors dealership signs into landfills. Let’s make a worthy successor to what was arguably the first modern crossover.

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The Hornet On Stilts

Take a look at the parking lot (or other people’s driveways, if you work from home), and what do you see? Not a lot of sedans, coupes, and minivans, I bet. No, I’m confident eighty percent of the vehicles you see are tall-but-car-like wagon-type things with all-wheel-drive. Those didn’t exist in American until the nineties, right?

Wrong. The eighties hadn’t even started yet when American Motors launched the Eagle in the fall of 1979. The brainchild of AMC’s chief design engineer Roy Lunn, the Eagle was to be a “line of four-wheel drive vehicles with the ride and handling conventions of a standard rear-wheel drive car” on a unibody platform.

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Always strapped for cash, AMC used its by-then-decade-old Hornet compact as a basis for this groundbreaking car. Oddly enough, despite AMC’s experience with Jeeps, they contracted FF Developments in the UK (makers of the awesome, pioneering all wheel drive Jensen Interceptor FF) to build a prototype in 1977.

American Motors had predicted that consumers would want something with the mild capabilities of a utility vehicle with four-wheel drive and car-like comfort, and most importantly, fuel efficiency. Their gamble paid off when the second energy crisis hit in 1979 and sales of truck-based four-wheel drive machines (like AMC’s own Jeeps) tanked. Extra traction is nice, but if you never go to Moab, why suffer a 12-mile-per-gallon monster? The Eagle was just what the market needed.

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The viscous-coupling center differential gave the Eagle on-road advantages that the only other car that might be considered a remote competitor (the much smaller Subaru part-time 4WD wagon) didn’t have. Audi’s Quattro was the only car offering something similar, but in 1980 it was only available as a high-dollar sports coupe (and not in NHTSA- or EPA-compliant specification yet, anyway). After testing an Eagle, Four Wheeler magazine deemed that it was “the beginning of a new generation of cars.” The author of this article likely had no idea how right they were.

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AMC sold over 45,000 units in 1980, a great number for the always-struggling firm. You could get an Eagle in a wide variety of body styles from a landau roof-clad coupe to a traditional sedan or a “poor man’s UR Quattro” SX/4 sport hatchback.

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AMC even gave us a funky Gremlin-based “Kammback” Eagle model, though the five-door wagon (based on the old Hornet Sportabout body) was by far the most popular model.

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In its second model year, the Eagle upped the ante and added a feature you can’t even get on most modern SUVs: the ability to cut off the front drive wheels for better fuel economy and reduced driveline wear and tear. Why isn’t that available today? Note that with early models,  you had to stop the car to switch drive modes, hence the “two handed” safety switch.

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The GM “Iron Duke” inline four joined the straight six as an available motor, but sales quickly began to drop. Despite the innovation, it was hard to cover up the fact that the Eagle was a 1969 car updated on a shoestring budget. Worse, AMC lacked the funds to give the Eagle the further development that would allow it to soar as high as it deserved to. Eventually, only the wagon body style was left in the lineup, and when the last 2,300 Eagles were sold as 1988 models, AMC no longer actually existed. These final cars were sold through the rebranded “Eagle” dealer network as “Eagle wagons” to avoid being called “Eagle Eagles.”

With hindsight, we know that the Eagle, like the International Harvester Scout, disappeared less than a decade before the public was ready to embrace them as mainstream products and could have been gangbusters successes. It’s painfully obvious that an all-new Eagle in the late eighties likely would have beaten the Subaru Outback series to market and taken the cash-cow crown that it earned. Here’s how that might have happened at an alternate-universe AMC.

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Hell Freezes Over: The Eagles Return

If you weren’t alive at the time, it’s hard to understate how radical the Ford Taurus was when it appeared in 1986. Just the year before, the Blue Oval’s primary family sedan was a warmed-over Fox body Fairmont-body LTD that was as literally square-looking as it was metaphorically square-looking. If a flying saucer landed on my lawn in 1986, it would have seemed less surprising than observing a dramatically aerodynamic mid-sized sedan with the motor spinning the front wheels from the often-staid Ford Motor Company. What could have upstaged that?

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Well, the boxy rides General Motors was fielding at the time certainly couldn’t do it (Celebrity, anyone?), and Chrysler’s stretched K-Cars didn’t even move the needle, but we’re talking about an alternate timeline when Mopar went bankrupt at the beginning of the eighties and no longer existed anyway. No, AMC would have been the other member of the Big 3. Ousted Ford leader and alternate universe American Motors president Lee Iacocca would have taken a look at the Taurus, shrugged a bit, and then said:

“We knew we could do better. That (Ford) team made a pretty good Audi impersonator, but they missed the optional feature which makes that car truly different. We did benchmark that (Audi) car and other Europeans but, as with the first Mustang, Hal (Sperlich) and I knew that we needed something more tailored to fit the American buyer.” – (Fictional) Lee Iacocca

As the (real world) ads said back in the day, AMC and Jeep “wrote the book on four-wheel drive”, and for 1987, they’d do it again. With the by-then seven-year-old Eagle, they’d given America the first mainstream all-wheel drive car, and now they were going to make this system even more gentrified into an everyday car with a “low profile” full-time four-wheel drive system. I imagine alternate-universe Lee continuing, “I firmly believe you’ll be hard pressed to find a car with only two-wheel drive a decade from now.”

Enter V-Drive

This time around, American Motors would forsake FF Developments and utilize a patented drivetrain that chassis giant Dana had created nearly twenty years before, in 1965.

With a typical four-wheel drive layout, a driveshaft extends off the front of a mid-mounted transfer case to a differential with drive axles coming off of it (which typically need to run beneath or even through the oil pan of the front-mounted motor). That’s now the original Eagle was; you can see that front axle and large front differential here on this ghost view of an original 1980 Eagle (which is why there was only space available for an inline 4 and 6, and you can’t do an LS swap to an Eagle even today).

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Dana had a different solution. With Dana’s “V Drive” system, there were two driveshafts extending in a “V” shape from the transfer case to each front wheel. Apparently, the rights to this system were purchased and company called Vehicle Engineering and Manufacturing Company (VEMCO) used this layout to add aftermarket four-wheel drive to various Chevy and Ford vans from the late seventies up until at least some time in the eighties before ceasing to exist.

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Why didn’t this system catch on? There must be a reason which some of you engineers and automotive historians can tell me, but I like it for the second-generation Eagle because it would accomplish exactly what I want to do by offering a lower ride height. Also, it’s a different, rather strange and unconventional solution so it’s right up AMC’s alley. The “V-Axle” transfer case would have been an engineering marvel that took Dana’s system a step further with a viscous coupling to distribute power. I do think that the “wheel gear units” could we dramatically reduced in size to eliminate a lot of weight there.

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Now, with a V-Drive a wider V8 or V6 engine would be possible without the need to raise the whole damn car. Plus, removing the oil pan wouldn’t have to be part of a $3700 ordeal that the person typing this had to endure with his last all-wheel-drive BMW wagon.

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“Old’ AMC needed to rely on the kindness of competitors to get a number of their motors, or rely on their ancient standby powerplants, but as a new member of the Chrysler-free Big 3 this new American Motors would be able to develop their own engines. Our new Eagle could offer the choice of either an aluminum single overhead cam Kenosha-built “Tech-6” V6 or “Tech-8” V8, both of them sharing the same architecture as “modular” motors.

Initially, the rear wheels would connect to a coil-sprung live axle, but the subframe system would be designed to accept an independent setup available after launch; all models would get rack and pinion steering and disc brakes at each corner (with ABS being available). Additionally, a lower-cost rear-drive version might be in the cards for later years. If you look at the 1987 model lineupvin the “ad” at the top of the post, you’ll see that I’ve offered a longer wheelbase “luxury” version of the Eagle as well called the Verona to compete primarily with the Taurus-based Lincoln Continental. There’s a bit of something for everyone here.

The Dude Can’t Hate Every One Of These Eagles

With a far bigger budget available than in 1980 and with a wide range of mid-sized American cars to compete with, it’s obvious that American Motors couldn’t be looking at a one-Eagle-fits-all approach with this new mid-sized model. There would be a sedan and station wagon/crossover, though coupes were just not worth the effort to tool up for by the end of the eighties (the slightly smaller Tempo-sized AMC Calabrone detailed a few weeks back would offer that option for buyers at a two door coupe and convertible).

Is that an L.L. Bean catalog I see in your mailbox? You wear those ugly duck boots to go to Whole Foods, not just canoeing to look at Great Blue Heron? Then the Eagle with the Trailrunner package would be your jam. Bigger tires, grey fender trim, and raised ride height mimic the ethos of the first Eagle, and the Trailrunner takes it a step further with a Jeep-like grille flanked by sealed beams and a surrounding shape that looks like a push bar (a void behind the license plate could hold a winch). The style is remarkably (and unintentionally) similar to the Grand Cherokee that came a few years later.

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There’s a similar “push bar” on the rear bumper as well to complete the subtle aggressive look. In silhouette it’s very similar to the outgoing Eagle model but much closer in style to the concurrent Taurus/Sable wagon competitor. Of course, you’d never take that Ford wagon where this could go.

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What if the tough look of the Trailrunner version isn’t for you? Indeed, to fight the likes of a Taurus we’d need to offer a less rough ‘n ready lower-slung sedan and wagon version for those that just want their all-wheel-drive without any pretentions of flannel shirt outdoorsiness. If you aren’t plaid-clad Colorado Mountain Man ready to hit the Kebler Pass, then you’ll like the “street” version of the Eagle which would really take advantage of that “low profile” all-wheel drive system.

This “standard” sedan is shown below with your parents circa 1987 getting ready to head out onto Woodward after prime rib dinner at the (now-demolished) Fox and Hound Inn in Bloomfield Hills. They’ll drive back your home in Royal Oak, which means you, your brother and your homie Dave have exactly twenty minutes to get rid of the pot smoke and clean up all the mess you made while they were out. Hurry up!

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The non-Trailrunner Eagle sits a little lower on slightly smaller wheels and tires, lacks the grey fender flares and has a much less aggressive front end with composite headlamps and a far more toned-down Jeep-style grille.

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I did try an even more Renault-looking nearly grille-free “aero” nose but the pendulum was swinging too far away from where I wanted to go. I nixed the one below, but if AMC wanted something more Taurus-like for the mainstream versions this could have worked:

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So are you a tough Trailrunner person or more of a suburbanite? Here’s an animation so that you to take your pick:

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What you have now is something for Subaru people that need a larger car; a sort of anti-Quattro without sporting pretensions, though an Eagle X4 model with performance tires and that aforementioned independent rear suspension might be available later to offer a cut-rate Audi 5000 for enthusiasts. Again, something for everyone.

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Get Inside The Eagles (Without Don Henley Suing You)

With the 1980 Eagle, American Motors did a reasonable enough job with making the outside of a car that premiered literally weeks after Woodstock in 1969 look contemporary, but the inside was really, really suffering. Even if you were sold on the all-weather concept and styling, one step inside and you’d be taken back in time by at least a decade.

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Our new Eagle would take inspiration from the “grandstand-style” dash design of contemporary Renaults with a sweeping glare-reducing canopy over all the instruments and a set of high-mounted air vents to complement the lower outlets. While a column shift and bench seat would be on the options list, my guess is that most would choose the bucket seats and center console for the automatic transmission.

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“Piano” type buttons for the climate control sit next to a large slider switch to engage four-wheel drive, with a button to lock the center differential below.  An illuminated schematic above these controls would show the drive mode (as well as other vehicle alerts such as washer fluid and bulbs burned out). Digital gauges and automatic temperature control are shown, but good old analog instruments and a less-elaborate manual climate control would be standard.

Look Out, Taurus: You’re Just A Car

Seriously, if you’re even a casual car enthusiast you need to watch the AMC documentary to know how much this little company offered to the automotive world. These “continuation” AMC models that I’ve sketched up over the last three years are proof that directionally this Kenosha firm (and their Renault parent) knew which way that the industry was headed. Tragically, they were too early to the market, and too late to change their fate.

This Eagle II concept is so similar to the original 1980 Eagle we had, but the subtle modernization I did could have turned it a Subaru Legacy Outback with V8 power, or an Audi Allroad that wouldn’t self-destruct, a decade or more sooner than those cars debuted. It’s a shame that Chrysler reaped the rewards of the boom in Jeep popularity within months after AMC disappeared.

Am I saying that I wish that the government hadn’t bailed out Chrysler (for the first time) in 1979? What about Vipers, GLHs, Challengers and Prowlers? It’s true that we’d have missed out on quite a bit if they had gone into the mist, though today most Mopar cars and even entire brands have sadly disappeared anyway.

No, if I had to make the choice of which reality I would have wanted for the Big 3 nearly fifty years ago, I know without hesitation which direction I’d go.

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1987 AMC Eagle Trailrunner Wagon Specs

Base Price: $14,100
As Shown: $17,850
Major Standard Features:
All Wheel Drive
Air Conditioning
AM/FM Stereo Cassette with four speakers
Options Shown on Photo Car:
Metallic Sapphire Blue Paint Finish
Trailrunner Package (upgraded aluminum wheels, tires, front and rear fascias, fender trim)
Convenience Package (power windows, locks, and seats plus cruise control)
Technology package (automatic climate control, digital instruments with trip computer)
Leather seating surfaces
Premium Sound with CD player and ten speakers (coaxials in doors and rear cargo area)

Drivetrain:
192HP 4875cc SOHC V8, electronic fuel injection (3467cc SOHC V6 standard)
4 speed automatic transmission, all-wheel drive (optional locking center differential)

Chassis:
Double wishbone front suspension, coil springs
Live axle rear suspension, coil springs
4 wheel disc brakes
Rack and pinion steering

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Kurt Kimmerly
Kurt Kimmerly
1 hour ago

For as much as I delight in oddities like the V-drive (or the Ford T-drive Tempo) I don’t think the V-drive would stand a chance in the passenger car segment. Hypoid gears are (by a wide margin) the draggiest form of gearing and adding multiple sets to the driveline wouldn’t fly where fuel economy matters.

I think more likely would be a slight engine offset to one side and a diff adjacent to engine block with one driveshaft poking through the oil pan, ala Chevrolet Trailblazer.

Squirrelmaster
Squirrelmaster
1 hour ago

Great works, as always, Bishop! I am now quite sad that another generation didn’t happen.

OttosPhotos
OttosPhotos
1 hour ago

I remember reading about Car & Driver’s Eagle project car. They took an eraser to the plastichrome in the interior. My brother and I did the same thing to the family Toyota, and were amazed that it worked. Good times.

Found a copy of the article:

https://javelinamx.com/javhome/articles/altereag.htm

ImissmyoldScout
ImissmyoldScout
2 hours ago

Magnificent, Bishop. Especially the alloy wheels on the Trailrunner!

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
2 hours ago

I think Stellantis missed the boat (well, another boat) by not coming out with an Eagle line of crossovers. They so clearly steered the Dodge brand away this market and when they attempted to brand an Alfa as a Dodge crossover it flopped. Not that I’d want an Eagle to be an Alfa clone, but as an Eagle, even the Hornet would’ve stood a better chance, plus the historical tie-in with the name and the original Eagle.

For the record, I think the Hornet Sportabout was the best looking wagon of its long era, especially the lean bumper years.

As always TB, enjoyed your take.

Bob the Hobo
Bob the Hobo
1 hour ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

CDJR has put themselves in a corner by pigeonholing each brand to specific images. Dodge’s heavy and muscular persona doesn’t apply when trying to sell a lean Italian crossover. An Eagle brand seems like an easy solution but that would be like reviving Plymouth. Stellantis already has a wheelhouse of other brands they could leverage if they figured out how to sell them to Americans.

Also agree on the Sportabout being the best of its era. Great looks and practical size compared to the behemoth wagons coming from Detroit in those days.

M SV
M SV
2 hours ago

It would have been interesting if amc got together with Subaru some weird things would have come out of that partnership. But also seems like a match although Mitsubishi of the era would probably have been too. The tale of Mitsubishi in the US is quite interesting I hope someone does something with that. The out of spec people just interviewed the major of normal and it was quite interesting to hear some of the things.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
2 hours ago

Hell yeah! I always joke about this:
“Introducing the…2025 AMC Eagle!”
and thought it would be so awesome…ONLY if it was done right and not ruined. This article is about 1987, not 2025 but same idea…and the wagon is cool, but would love to see the SX/4…my brother used to have one and it was awesome- amazing body style. This rendering just needs a little bit more of a square look…yeah, it’s supposed to be newer (for 1987) I just don’t like the rounded look as much. The front end is funny though since the big grille is the opposite of what they did on the Taurus) Still, great work though, and I miss AMC! Looking forward to watching the documentary

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 hours ago

I don’t think that SOHC V6 and V8 would have happened.

More likely, I could see it getting the updated inline 4 and Inline 6 engines already used by the Cherokee and Comanche.

If it was gonna get a V8, I imagine it would have been an updated version of the AMC 304 or 360 given the RENIX fuel injection system update like they did with the old AMC inline 6.

And if they were gonna use a V6, it would have been a derivative of the 3L V6 used in the AMC Premiere.

But having said that, giving it it the styling updates combined with the updated fuel injected OHV engines already used elsewhere would have been a huge improvement

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
3 hours ago

They actually did make it, but we didn’t get it here. There was a Renault Medallion 4WD wagon, but we never got it here.

Yeah we got the wagon, but not in 4WD. Too bad. They were *so close*

Detroit is good at giving 90%

Too bad we never got the Espace either 🙁

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Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 hours ago

Why didn’t V-Drive catch on?

Expense: there’s a lot of parts (more than the regular 4WD setup)
Weight: More parts = more mass
Packaging: Nightmare in a unitized structure that also needed to offer footroom and moderate ride height
Economy: The amount of friction…mind boggling.

It’s an interesting idea, kinda like the V-drives in marine applications, but you’re hauling around FOUR differentials and three driveshafts. Plus, you’re going to need beaucoup CV joints to make steering happen. And it’ll need some really hefty balljoints and control arms. Oh yeah, that driveshaft on either side is *exactly* where your exhaust would go.

In the late ’70s/early ’80s, cars were getting lower for aero. This would have been really really difficult to get the car low enough and maintain any kind of interior room over. Fine for trucks, I guess, but still hefty.

They were taking weight OUT of cars by then, not adding it back.

And there were simpler, well-proven setups for 4WD and even AWD.

This V-drive system doesn’t seem worth the squeeze.

Bob the Hobo
Bob the Hobo
3 hours ago

These are some of your best-looking concepts, Bishop. Great follow-up to the original from 3 years ago.
Do you think a ute version of the Eagle would have been in the cards or would it have been too close in competition to the Jeep Comanche that would sit across the floor of this hypothetical showroom?
Speaking of the Comanche, if you ever get around to addressing the ways this version of AMC would approach it, I would suggest basing the standard cab model on the coupe version of the XJ to make use of its longer doors and thereby increase the cab size. This would make up for the lack of an extended cab model while amortizing production with XJ tooling. With the money saved, they can instead introduce a crew cab model utilizing the 4 door XJ parts bin. It would be a novel idea for the time and potentially leapfrog the other manufacturers by a decade or so, but that was sort of AMC’s whole thing.

Bob the Hobo
Bob the Hobo
2 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I was thinking more along the lines of a traditional crew cab with separate bed, but an XJ/MJ Avalanche is a route with some chest hair!

Pneumatic Tool
Pneumatic Tool
3 hours ago

I can’t escape the Thunderbird-ness of the grille & fascia treatment on this Eagle.

Who Knows
Who Knows
3 hours ago

Forget the 1990’s potential, can we get some modernized Eagle wagon and SpaceVan vehicles available, for say 2026 or so? Maybe someone like Slate can make this happen?

Manwich Sandwich
Manwich Sandwich
2 hours ago
Reply to  Who Knows

And give that vehicle to Dodge or Chrysler. Give the Dodge the wagon… call that the Dodge Eagle.

And for the Spacevan… make a sportier version and call it the Dodge Caravan. Make a more luxurious version and call it the Chrysler Magic Wagon.

No Kids, Just Bikes
No Kids, Just Bikes
4 hours ago

I came across a couple V-Drive converted vans when I was trying to get my own 4×4 van. The complicated set up from a defunct company scared me a away every time. Ended up with a DHL van converted by Advanced 4×4 out of Utah.

Like everyone that ever had a 4×4 van says, I really miss that thing.

AMC Addict
AMC Addict
4 hours ago

I LOVE the blue lettered Wisconsin plates. Niice detail!!!!

I was able to preview the whole AMC documentary, it is excellent. David Tracey makes the cutting floor in a few later episodes 🙂

I think you nailed it with the Eagle Premier styling crafted onto the Eagle Wagon.

I don’t think the Eagle would have lived on too much further because US wagons were deeply unpopular, the rise of the minivan was in full swing, but it is fun to dream.

I think it would have had a 2.5 TBI fuel injected engine, or the 4.0. The 2.5 was new for 87.

Nathan Gibbs
Nathan Gibbs
4 hours ago

Those gold wheels on the Eagle Trailrunner you’ve rendered are the same ones I have on both my Camaro (18×8.5″ version) and my MR2 (15×7″) and they’re an excellent choice.

The aftermarket wheel company that made them developed the style for the “I have a naturally aspirated Subaru but want to do big tires and a lift kit” market, and focused on engineering them to be as light as possible to reduce rotating mass. Non-turbocharged Subarus can use all the acceleration help they can get, especially at altitude.

The weight savings are real — the 15×7″ ones on my MR2 weigh only ~16 lbs each, which is great for an extended-lip offroad wheel design.

Nathan Gibbs
Nathan Gibbs
4 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I’ve been asked many times if my Camaro is a Bandit edition Pontiac Trans Am throwback — the retro vibes are spot on!

AMC Addict
AMC Addict
4 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

That makes sense, they were on the upscale Cherokee’s and Grand Cherokees in the late 80s (you can see a great example in “Father of the Bride”).

Timbales
Timbales
4 hours ago

SpaceVan!

Musicman27
Musicman27
4 hours ago

RIP AMC. My one internet buddy had an Eagle Wagon, but the block cracked so he had to sell it.

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
4 hours ago

Obviously the writing was on the wall for AMC back then but I always thought that for 87, if they would have used the new 4L powertrain, update the facia with composite headlights, new aluminum wheels, and freshen up that interior, it could have soldiered on to early 90s for a new model using LX north-south V6s and an IFS out back.

Oh well, still cool cars. Several kids had them in my HS ( mid-late 90s Wisconsin)

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
4 hours ago

I like the idea of the Dana “V Drive” for eliminating the need for the half shaft through the oil pan, but I’m afraid the manufacturing costs would be 40-50% more than that undesirable solution. 2 driveshafts, 2 sets of gears and differential mechanisms in the V Drive case and 2 near right angle gearsets for the half shafts to the wheels. I can’t see where they could save enough money to keep the cost competitive with the front mounted differential or worse the PTU of front drive based all wheel drive.

Urban Runabout
Urban Runabout
3 hours ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

…but it’s well suited to a torsion-bar front suspension – which would be good for packaging and manufacturing costs too.

Highland Green Miata
Highland Green Miata
4 hours ago

I love that interior– especially the instrument panel which ironically could be easily done today with a single LCD panel where part of the right side is obscured by a physical button layout for climate, volume and transmission.

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
4 hours ago

One key fact is missing here. When Chrysler bought AMC, it was Renault who they bought it from. So had Chrysler gone under in 1979, Renault would’ve continued to run AMC into the ground, and it would’ve been gone by 1988.
Don’t believe me? Ask Nissan how Renault ownership went.

JDE
JDE
4 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

The question I suppose would be whether Renault would have even kept AMC…well AMC. I am not sure Renault saw the value in the raised oddball awd at the time, they seemed to be more interested in continuing the domestic built base models (Alliance and Encore) and working towards the minivan and Alpina to compete with something. Perhaps Mustang and Camaro, though I suspect they were thinking more toward Corvette.

I recall the Eagle Talon and Premier being pretty OK cars for the time, but the real question is if given adequate time could they pull a Toyota or a Hyundai these days out of their hat and made the quality gains make the company stay relevant. Also would the Mitsubishi connection have occurred?

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
2 hours ago
Reply to  JDE

No, they would not have, the plan was to phase out the AMC name in favor of Renault on all passenger cars, leaving Jeep for light trucks. Renault owned 46.1% of American Motors, so technically the majority of the company’s shares were circulating on the NYSE, but that 46% bloc was plenty to give Renault effective control. They did a market research study in 1979 to see which brand American consumers had a more favorable opinion of, the results were about 50-50 between Renault and AMC, with a slight, but statistically insignificant, lean to Renault, which they decided was enough justification.

It’s why the Pacer was dropped after 1980 and the Concord and Spirit were cut after 1983, leaving the Eagle as the only vehicle under the AMC brand from 1984 onward, with it being cut down to just the wagon body style (the new Alliance was technically sold under the “Renault/AMC” badge for its first model year only). 1988 was always intended as the last model year for both the Eagle and the AMC brand, even if the company hadn’t sold to Chrysler. There were plans to eventually introduce a new lifted AWD wagon to replace it, maybe in the early ’90s, but that would have been a Renault.

Roy Chapin, son of Hudson Motor Car founder and former AMC chairman, was still representing his family’s interests as a board member and was totally opposed to the sale, but didn’t control enough shares to do anything about it. CEO Joe Cappy was in favor of the deal, and was retained by Chrysler as head of the new Jeep-Eagle division

JDE
JDE
50 minutes ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

I know the Eagle Premier had room to make it AWD, and I don’t recall a ton of bad press about the Renault v6 in that thing, but it did compete with Chrysler stuff, so it made sense they dropped it rather than the higher end Chrysler brand. unfortunately in the age of badge engineering a really new car company using non-standard US made parts was not the most successful thing in the US at the time.

Ranwhenparked
Ranwhenparked
34 minutes ago
Reply to  JDE

Chrysler was contractually obligated to buy a certain number of V6s from Renault over the production run of the Premier, sales proved lower than anticipated and they added the badge engineered Dodge Monaco to try and hit the needed volume between the two

They then reengineered the Premier to remove Renault IP, creating the Eagle Vision (and Chrysler New Yorker/LHS/Concorde and Dodge Intrepid, plus later on the Chrysler 300M, which was originally designed as the 2nd generation Eagle Vision. A Plymouth Applause variant was also discussed at one point)

Michael Beranek
Michael Beranek
3 hours ago
Reply to  The Bishop

Big 2 + Jeep/RAM is all we’ll have left after the Agnellis are done digging the graves of Walter Chrysler and the Dodge Brothers.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Ignatius J. Reilly
4 hours ago

A friend in college had inherited his dad’s Eagle and loved it dearly. There were a few options that he considered vital to making the best version of the Eagle.

  • Faux wood sides.
  • Roof rack
  • Rear wiper

One vital part that made the Eagle great was the straight six. The torque meant that getting over the rough stuff was easy. The XJ is what put the Eagle out to pasture.

4jim
4jim
4 hours ago

I love this. I graduated high school in 1987 and was just blown away but the melted was look of the new rounded fords that came out (Taurus, Tempo) and the Corisca and Baretta etc. from GM. Also not soon after the 4runner/pathfinder 4 doors came out and the xj got nicer inside and awd cars fell out of fashion for a few years. It was a wild time to be a car fan those late 1980s early 1990 as we finally pulled out of the malaise era.

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