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This New Plane Wants To Lure Gen Z Into Private Jets By Replacing All Of Its Windows With Giant Screens

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There is a new plane in development that hopes to be the future of aviation. The Otto Aerospace Phantom 3500 promises to cut business jet fuel burn by 60 percent and make aviation more accessible than ever. One way the startup company wants to achieve this is by deleting all of the windows of its new plane and replacing them with gigantic screens. Apparently, this is also supposed to get Gen Z into private jet travel. This plane is supposed to make its first flight in only two years, so let’s talk about what in the world is going on here.

The world of aviation is on a relentless pursuit to gain efficiency. A more efficient aircraft can burn less fuel, be cleaner for the environment, and, perhaps most importantly for operators, be cheaper to run. Over the past several years, we’ve seen fantastic advancements in turbofan engine technology and efficiency, the increased use of composites to cut down on weight, and an industry-wide obsession with aerodynamics. Airlines, fractional operators, and everyone else are always looking for the next big thing in aviation.

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So the Otto Aerospace Phantom 3500 is pretty much like catnip. This plane is promising greater range, a much lower fuel burn, much better aerodynamics, and higher marketability than business jets of similar size. Yet, Otto Aerospace is not some crazy idea by some guys in Silicon Valley, but a serious venture with some big names attached to it. Flexjet, a specialist in fractional private jet ownership, just placed an order for 300 Phantom 3500 business jets, a deal that could be worth $5.85 billion based on the estimated selling price of the aircraft. The Phantom 3500 has been all over the news and social media, even publications that don’t normally report on planes.

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But what’s the big deal here? What’s so exciting about this plane?

Extreme Aero

Otto Aerospace was founded in 2008 by William ‘Bill’ Otto, who wanted to reinvent air travel. The company explains William’s story:

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Frustrated with the inconvenience of commercial air transportation, high private air travel costs and the environmental impact, Bill led the successful development of Celera subscale models and Celera 500L—a full-size technology demonstrator aircraft.

Bill’s unconventional approach to problem-solving gave rise in 1974 to Otto Laboratories, Inc., which became one of the most recognized accident reconstruction firms in the world. While serving as founder and president of the Laboratories, he traveled more than two million miles to various accident sites throughout the world. Bill’s extensive travel brought air transportation problems to light, and so began the Otto Celera journey.

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Talking to aviation publication FlightGlobal, Otto said that his company’s goal was to build a private plane that could fly nonstop between any two cities in the United States and do so with a speed and cost comparable to flying commercial. That mission of making private flight as accessible as commercial travel remains today.

Before developing the Celera, Otto was a scientist at the Los Alamos Scientific Labs, where he worked on nuclear weapons and torpedoes. At another time in his career, he worked for North American Aviation, where he led development of the Minuteman missile guidance system.

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His aircraft, the Celera 500L (above), made huge promises. One of them was that the Celera 500L would have 59 percent less drag than a typical aircraft of similar size. Why? Because the aircraft is said to take advantage of full laminar flow. I’ll let aviation education website Boldmethod explain:

Air, believe it or not, is sticky. Really, it’s viscous – as it flows over the surface of your wing, it slows down due to friction. In fact, immediately above the surface of your wing, the air isn’t moving at all. Imagine you’re flying at 100 knots in your Piper Cherokee. The air flows around your wing at around 100 knots – or somewhat faster due to your airfoil. However, if you measure the airspeed within an inch of the wing’s surface, you’ll find that the airflow slows down. As you reach the surface of your wing, the airflow’s speed drops to zero. The area where friction slows down the airflow is called the boundary layer.

The boundary layer isn’t very deep, maybe .02 to an inch thick, but it’s important. It’s the source of skin friction drag, and can actually decrease pressure drag.

Air flowing in the boundary layer travels in one of two states: laminar flow and turbulent flow. In laminar flow, the air flows smoothly across a surface and the streamlines move parallel to each other. A lamanar-flow boundary layer is very thin – possibly only .02 inches thick. As you move up and away from a surface, the airflow’s speed smoothly increases in a laminar flow boundary layer until it reaches free-stream speed.

Achieving perfect laminar flow is often considered to be one of the holy grails of aviation. NASA points out that scientists were even researching laminar flow in the 1930s. Achieving full laminar flow is, as you’ve probably guessed by now, extraordinarily difficult. Planes are full of little bits and pieces all over that create turbulent airflow. Screws, rivets, and even joints in panels cause turbulence. Windows, doors, hatches, and external equipment also cause turbulence, too. Oh, and surface imperfections also cause disturbances, too.

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This is a major reason why the Celera 500L, and now the Phantom 3500, have absolutely no windows aside from the flight deck. To Otto Aerospace, adding windows will mean unnecessary weight and drag. It’s also why both of these aircraft have a unique teardrop shape.

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Anyway, Otto Aerospace began construction of the Celera 500L in 2015, and the aircraft’s aerodynamic prototype made its first flight in 2018. The aircraft was powered by a Red Aircraft A03 550 HP V12 engine and was pitched as having a range of 4,500 nautical miles. It was supposed to enter production in 2024 or 2025, but Otto Aerospace has since decided to evolve the Celera further, making the Phantom 3500.

Today, the Fort Worth, Texas-based Otto Aerospace says it’s “guided by former leaders from Boeing, Textron, General Dynamics, Lockheed, and more.” One figure who is featured in Otto’s press kit is Dennis Muilenburg, the now-former CEO of Boeing, who was ousted during the 737 Max scandal. Now, he’s the chairman of Otto Aerospace. William Otto is a board member.

That brings us to the plane that these folks are trying to put into the sky really soon.

The Phantom

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The Otto Aerospace Phantom 3500 starts off as a full composite airframe, which takes advantage of Otto Aerospace’s latest laminar flow research. The company says that, based on wind tunnel testing that was carried out in 2024, the new airframe cuts drag by 35 percent compared to a typical business jet of similar size.

That fuselage will be built by Leonardo S.p.A. in Italy. The landing gear will also be built in Italy by Mecaer Aviation. The proposed spec sheet says that the Phantom 3500 will have a cabin with 6’5″ of headroom, a maximum range of 3,500 nautical miles, a cruising altitude of 51,000 feet, and a balanced field takeoff run of 3,500 feet. Power is said to come from a pair of Williams International FJ44-4 QPM turbofan engines, which punch out 3,621 pounds of thrust during takeoff. Loaded, the aircraft is projected to come in at under the Federal Aviation Regulation Part 23 maximum takeoff weight limit of 19,000 pounds.

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Otto Aerospace claims that the aircraft is being designed around what it calls a “Virtuous Cycle,” basically, a chain reaction of one thing that leads to other things. Otto claims that its super slippery fuselage and wing design lowers drag by 35 percent, which means that the airplane doesn’t need to burn as much fuel to go the same distance as the competition. In turn, Otto says, this means that the plane can carry a smaller fuel load, use smaller engines, and have a smaller structure.

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This then continues, Otto says, because their smaller all-composite airframe has fewer materials, which should bring down manufacturing costs, reduce labor, and speed up production. Otto then says that all of this adds up to a plane that should have decent performance even with its smaller engines, and the company claims it’ll be able to climb to 51,000 feet in 28 minutes directly from takeoff. Add it all up, Otto says, and you get a plane that reduces fuel burn by 60 percent and is 50 percent cheaper to operate than a typical super-midsize business jet.

Of course, all of this is theoretical because Otto has not built a single operational Phantom 3500 yet. Honestly, the proposed specs and the promises aren’t really going to amaze me until one of these planes is in the sky and proving itself.

About Those “Windows”

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But what is stopping me in my tracks are the windows that the up to nine passengers are supposed to “look out” of, or the lack thereof. At first, Otto said that its plane doesn’t have windows because that’s what it needed to do to achieve its claimed huge drag reduction. Now, the company is taking a different and weird tack. The company’s latest media kit says this:

The Phantom will also debut the world’s first ultra-wide passenger windows, spanning an unprecedented 72 inches wide, thanks to its proprietary SuperNatural Vision (SNV) technology. SNV reveals a glare-free, color-enhanced, panoramic view of the curvature of Earth in stunning clarity from its cruise altitude of 51,000 feet. The windows are lighter, quieter, safer, and more energy efficient, offering a passenger experience unlike anything seen in flight before.

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This is a little weird. In my eyes, the plane cannot have “the world’s first ultra-wide passenger windows” as they aren’t windows, but giant screens displaying a video feed from the plane’s exterior cameras. Screens instead of windows also add some weird quirks. Are these 3D screens? Because if not, the person trying to look out of the giant digital window screen that’s just a handful of inches from their face might see a distorted image. Look at your phone screen at an angle and you’ll see what I mean.

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Also, as Jason Torchinsky helpfully pointed out in the past, digital windows and mirrors suck for people who don’t have perfect vision. Remember, you’re looking at a video feed on a flat panel; you’re not looking at what’s actually happening outside. Imagine having to put on your glasses just to see “outside” of the aircraft or to watch CNN:

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Otto Aerospace also says that it plans to apply its technology to a longer-range version of the Phantom, and maybe later to a future regional airliner. That brings a whole new set of questions. If this regional airliner has no windows like the Phantom business jet, how are the displays going to work with the cabin crew?

Have you ever been on a flight and wondered why the flight attendants might have asked the passengers to keep their window shades open during the takeoff and landing rolls? There’s a reason for it. Having open shades allows the cabin crew to monitor the aircraft’s surroundings. This can help during an emergency. For example, the cabin crew can look out of the windows and see if the aircraft is on fire or if the exits are blocked.

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Likewise, having open window shades helps your eyes adjust to the outside and gives you situational awareness. The next time you’re on a flight and have your shade for the whole ride, open it after the plane lands. You might be amazed that it takes a moment for your eyes to adjust to either the brightness or darkness outside of the aircraft.

It’s unclear how removing windows for displays will change that. Will the cameras and displays remain working in an emergency? Also unclear is how the windows will be for people who get motion sick from looking at screens in moving vehicles.

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The Gen Z Jet?

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It somehow gets deeper from there, because, as a Wall Street Journal exclusive reported:

[Flexjet and Otto Aerospace] said the digitized windows will be compelling to consumers, especially Gen Z travelers who are more technologically savvy.

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Otto Aerospace

More specifically, the Phantom 3500 is supposed to get wealthy Gen Z into private jets. It is an interesting marketing strategy and one that I could sort of see working. Though I have to wonder if the Gen Z traveler won’t just ignore the giant screen windows and use their phone. But, of course, the biggest hurdle is that Otto has to get one of these flying. For that, the company says, we’ll have to wait until at least 2027. If all goes well, the company says, it hopes to have these things in service in 2030.

Assuming Otto can put this plane into production and assuming it will be anywhere near what’s being claimed, I like a lot of what’s happening here. Otto’s work reminds me of some of the craziest ideas pitched by Burt Rutan. A lighter, more aerodynamic aircraft that burns less fuel is good. But, admittedly, I am not sold on the idea of not having any windows to look out of. I might be okay with a digital speedometer, but nothing beats looking out of a real airplane window at the world below.

So, that leaves us with a bunch of questions. Is this the future of aviation? Will Gen Z fall in love with a plane of screens? Will the screens be as neat as they look in the renders? Those are questions that we’ll have to wait until 2027 for answers. You bet I’ll be watching this one.

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M SV
M SV
1 month ago

The gen z’s and alphas are complicated while they are definitely “ipad kids” some of them now that they are older are ditching tech and screens. I’m often surprised of the lack of tech literacy from allegedly tech natives. Touch screens and mobile os or nothing it seems. I would bet alot of them would avoid this for a a “retro experience”. In fact I bet if you were to ask them if they wanted to fly in a screen machine or a 747 they would say 747 especially if you pointed out that some of their beloved 90s movies and tv shows featured the interiors of 747.

Lotsofchops
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Lotsofchops
1 month ago
Reply to  M SV

Modern tech has disincentivized learning how things actually work, in the name of ease-of-use. Early computers had a steeper learning curve, forcing you to gain better literacy if you wanted to use it.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago
Reply to  Lotsofchops

Yep, now people are busy working on a slur to call people who prompt ai for everything. There has been very little critical thinking for a while but we may be heading into zero thinking territory which is terrifying to say the least.
We are also repeating the mistakes of the 90s kids use iOS and chromeos in school think everything is a touch screen and have no idea how anything actually works let alone a different desktop environment. That’s academia though bound to repeat the same mistake over and over until someone orders them not to.

BillB
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BillB
1 month ago

A further weirdness of the screen: when I have a window seat on a clear day, I often lean towards the window for a few minutes to have a look down at the landscape below. Every once in a while the view is amazing, but more to the point here, it’s implicitly orienting. With the screen, you’d just have a closer and more distorted view of the unchanging picture– which I imagine would be a cross between disappointing and disturbing. I’m not claustrophobic, but this might get me there.

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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
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The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
1 month ago

“you get a plane that reduces fuel burn by 60 percent and is 50 percent cheaper to operate than a typical super-midsize business jet.”

Don’t business jets cost thousands of dollars per hour to run? I’m not sure cutting that in half is going to make this plane all that more accessible than a typical private jet. It is still going to be far more expensive than flying first class.

Also, while I am an older millennial and have no idea what the youths want, I am struggling to see why huge screens would make this appealing to gen z customers. A windowless airplane sounds hellish to me at 42; it seems improbable 22 year olds will actually like it.

Last edited 1 month ago by The Stig's Misanthropic Cousin
Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

“This New Plane Wants To Lure Gen Z Into Private Jets By Replacing All Of Its Windows With Giant Screens”

Well I suppose if “free candy” isn’t luring the youngs into your creepy windowless vans anymore this is another thing to try.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cheap Bastard
P S
P S
1 month ago

This is another “dream” aircraft. VC’s launch these “ideas” every year and none of them ever come to fruition.

The first issue are the emergency exits. Typically private jets put them over the wings (as part of the window) as it doesn’t require an expensive and heavy slide to be added.

The second is that all equipment onboard has to be FAA certified. The cost of certifying a panel that large would be prohibitively expensive and the name of the game in small jets is use systems that are already certified to control costs.

The truth is that the windows don’t actually contribute very much to the drag. The parasitic drag coefficient of the Boeing 747 as 0.022, and the windows contribute one three thousand five hundreth of that drag. Negligible, in other words. The slats, flaps, antennas, probes, drains, vents, etc will cause far more drag than the flush mounted windows.

Wings and tail surfaces contribute most all the drag, which is why designers have attempted flying wings, canards, and even aircraft with no tail. There is a solid reason why all aircraft look pretty much the same. It works and its the most efficient, reliable design.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago

I flew from Sydney to LAX in a Qantas A380. It had a forward-looking camera at the top of the rudder/empennage that you could watch on the entertainment screen, and it was very cool to see the sun rising over the Pacific, midway through the flight.

I had flown down there on one of their 747s and the Airbus was so much quieter. It was really noticeable. And I was way back in coach on both, so it wasn’t a matter of engine noise.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
1 month ago

I flew to Paris R/T from LAX aboard an Air France A380 for my 50th Bday 10 years ago in Premium Economy – and later to/from Paris on the way to Barcelona for the Holidays in 2017 in Business.

Also aboard Asiana to Seoul R/T from LAX aboard their A380 in 2018 on our way to/from Bangkok.

I seem to recall the forward-facing cameras as well.

Those are the nicest planes – big, smooth and comfortable.

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

Ha! That’s 6x the amount of flights I’ve had in a 380 and most or all of it in a nicer part of the plane. Living near Seattle, I should root for Boeing, but since they moved their HQ to Chicago… eh. Putting a factory in SC in was understandable. Right to work state. I get it.

I used to fly a Cessna out of Renton, where they make a lot of 737s. Sometimes I had to wait to take off while a newly minted 737 was getting ready to do its first flight. Kind of inspiring in a way. I didn’t mind. 5400 foot runway and they were fueled only with as much as they needed (plus reserve, of course), but were relatively light and they took off like a bat out of hell. Must’ve been fun for the flight deck crew.

Lincoln Clown CaR
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Lincoln Clown CaR
1 month ago

Does this come with a skibidi lavatory?

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Imagine the lavatory with a screen on the floor looking down.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
1 month ago

So, basically, this is like booking an inside cabin on a cruise ship and just leaving the TV on the bridge cam 24/7

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

This has to be the stupidest business plan I’ve ever heard. Sure rich people love to drive fast cars but if they are passengers they want luxury. Yes looking out the window is a luxury but if you are just showing a tv screen it isn’t. If all I get to see is a tv picture do I want to have to tilt my head 90 degrees to see the tv? NO! What this company fails to understand is if I have a luxury experience I will take off early to get to my destination on time. But if I am buying or renting a jet I am not going to be willing to sit with my head turned 90 degrees to look at a tv. What are people thinking?

Speedway Sammy
Speedway Sammy
1 month ago

I suspect this is a bunch of has been and never were engineers and managers making a pretty good short term living off venture capitalists with money to burn.
AI renderings are pretty amazing these days for almost no cost.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Speedway Sammy

When you are right you are right. Maybe the RV edition of jet airplanes

Clear_prop
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Clear_prop
1 month ago

Super laminar flow wings like this rarely work well in the real world. All it takes is just a bit of bugs on the leading edge and all of a sudden the stall speed goes up 30kts.

Icing is also an issue, but easier to deal with on a jet with bleed air.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
1 month ago

How many lattes and avocado toasts does it cost?

I don't hate manual transmissions
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I don't hate manual transmissions
1 month ago

Forget the screens – what they really need is transparent carbon fiber. Then whatever windows you want can be handled by paint.

William Domer
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William Domer
1 month ago

Transparent aluminium from Star Trek. How do we know he didn’t invent it?

I don't hate manual transmissions
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I don't hate manual transmissions
1 month ago
Reply to  William Domer

I’ll never forget Scotty talking into the mouse.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Like Wonder Womans invisible jet? Wonder Woman!

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

Ah yes, young people famously avoid private jets for not having enough screens, not because they dont have any money.

OttosPhotos
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OttosPhotos
1 month ago

I make decent money, and I have yet to fly a private jet, but I guess Italian brainrot is a great source of income.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago
Reply to  OttosPhotos

I’ve been fortunate enough to do it a few times in my career, usually because I was traveling with someone important enough to take the company jet. Here’s my thoughts on it:

  1. The only really great thing about it is the speed/not having to deal with airport security.
  2. It sucks from a work context because it basically becomes a meeting in a tube that you’re stuck in.
  3. Wifi is incredibly unreliable on private jets
  4. Commercial is safer. I’ve had a pj lose an engine before, never had that happen on a commercial flight. You can also get delayed for repairs just like on commercial, and you get a front row to how much of trying to fix it is just “turn it off then back on again” and there aren’t alternate aircraft at the airport to move to, like at a commercial hub.
  5. When you’re dealing with all of the above as a low level on a business trip, you realize you’re also forgoing earning points/miles/status on your commercial airline of choice for the experience.

I’m sure its great if you’re taking it on vacation, living it up on the minibar, etc. but for work, throw me in economy, give me a ginger ale, and let me watch a crappy movie.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Just because you have not experienced it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago

I am well aware that it happens, but I’d be willing to bet if you looked at how often that happened per mile of commercial jet travel vs mile of private jet travel, it would be significantly more frequent with private jets.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

Seconded. I’ve also done it when a client needed me somewhere to fix something “yesterday” a few times. Until you get into the BIG private jets, the actualy flying experience is nothing to get excited about. It’s having it fly on your schedule and skipping the airport madness that are the actual benefits.

Flying in economy?? <shudder>

Now if I was rich and could do a John Travolta or whatshisname from Iron Maiden? You bet I would own some really nice bird and learn to fly the thing myself. Used to see Travolta’s Qantas 707 parked up at the FBO in Portland, ME every summer.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Flying in Economy? Are you insane? What used to be Economy is now called business class. What remains is Scum or Cattle class.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

To be honest – I have been flying for a living for 30 years 100K+ a year. Economy really hasn’t changed at all (assuming you are not flying a bottom feeder airline like Spirit/Frontier of course). You used to get fed a little more often, but the food was legendarily awful, so I really don’t care. The stuff they sell you today in the back is massively better. Domestic “business class” is simply what First class was back then – and International First class back then was no different than domestic. Just a big reclining seat. Today International Business and First classes are amazing. Lie flat seats and suites. Premium Economy on an international flight is as good as first was back then.

What has changed in 30 years is that flying is *massively* cheaper. And people are whinier and far more entitled. I can fly in business class for little more than a coach ticket was back then. And there were no rows and rows of “extra legroom seats” back then for a little more money (or free as an elite). They all sucked except the exit rows. It’s also rather a lot safer. In the 90s NWA tried to kill me twice…

But I am old(er), fat(er), and have enough money that I don’t need to fly in the cheap seats anymore. I haven’t flown coach over an ocean since 1997, nor will I ever again.

*Jason*
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*Jason*
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Bingo. In 1980 an economy seat on one of the big domestic airlines had less legroom than a premium economy seat today but cost twice as much.

People whine they want more legroom but won’t spend $50 to buy a set with more legroom.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

I have flown a lot. I was only lucky enough to fly 1st class once. The company booked so late only 1st class seats were left. It was very comfortable but by the time the stewardesses got back to us they only had cheese steak dinner option available. I would have chosen it anyhow but I insist on the choice.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago

There are a few seriously rich young people, mostly musicians and the occasional social-media creator at the brainrotty end (how long will it take Jack Doherty to break one of these screens?)

The actually-interesting ones (lately I’ve been binging Tor’s Cabinet of Curiosities) are more likely driving used or hand-me-down Buick Veranos as described in the last article.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

What?

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

It would pretty slick to use one of those OLED flex type screens on all surfaces to essentially make the jet disappear around you.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

Avengers helicarrier?

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

Sorry they would need to be outward facing and would shatter before you got airborne. Wonder Woman yes

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

I was thinking in reverse, so it would just appear to disappear inside tot he people inside. but now that you say it, a wonder woman invisible jet would be cool too. just not sure it would be the best to let the interior passengers be visible still. nobody needs to see a rando dude peeing at 30,000 ft

Timbales
Timbales
1 month ago

Would be cool if the projection simulated like you were flying through space instead of just projecting boring skies with clouds.

Not as cool as you think I think I am
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Not as cool as you think I think I am
1 month ago
Reply to  Timbales

It would be a HUGE missed opportunity if they don’t have Star Wars style hyperdrive star lines displayable on the screens

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago
Reply to  Timbales

This. You could be on the look out for Klingon Ships.

Goof
Goof
1 month ago

I took a flight for the first time in nearly 35 years (last time I was a kid) this year.

You’re damn right I took full advantage of my window seat. Even at night.

I liked using the seat back apps to know what city I was approaching, from what side, so I could look for it as we approached, and look at it as we flew overhead.

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I had my phone. I could’ve brought an iPad if I really wanted a bigger screen.

This plane’s concept is bad and it should feel bad, and I know a ton of Gen Z-ers and I’m pretty confident most of them would completely agree with me.

Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
1 month ago

I don’t have a fear of heights or flying… but I am claustrophobic.

This is a hard pass from me, who (like many other readers) can absolutely afford to purchase a private jet.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Funny but with enough outward facing cameras and screens you could make it seem as if you were in a seat flying in midair. I wonder how you feel about heights at 2 miles high.

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Bizness Comma Nunya
Bizness Comma Nunya
1 month ago

Haha, well, I guess it didn’t bother me much when skydiving… but I was desperate to get out of that cramed 1962 Cessna with shag carpeting and no seats in it, that was the worst part.

I like my planes on the larger side, like my women.

GhosnInABox
GhosnInABox
1 month ago

Once they lure them in which secret island are they hunting them for sport/pleasure?

Goof
Goof
1 month ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

Pfft. That’s won’t happen.

They’ll all wake up to find they have collars locked around their necks. Then Takeski Kitano will throw them all a duffle bag with something inside. For some it’ll be a frying pan. For others it will be an assault rifle with a full mag. And he’ll laugh.

FormerTXJeepGuy
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FormerTXJeepGuy
1 month ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

the island’s not that secret and we know what they’re gonna do

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  GhosnInABox

This is an over done trope. I am confident that 5 smart unarmed men could beat an over confident megalomaniac with no training easily

Dottie
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Dottie
1 month ago

Although I think private jet travel is quite possibly so low down the totem pole that it has dug itself to China, still a pretty neat read even if I’m not aboard on the “oops all screen” thing.

4jim
4jim
1 month ago

Wealthy Gen Z??? Wealthy from their 10 part time jobs because nobody is hiring for full time jobs? Sorry trying to grab the wealth of any generation intentionally is marketing smoke at this point.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago
Reply to  4jim

Billionaires have kids too – and there are LOTS of billionaires today. It’s getting rich the old-fashioned way – inheriting it.

Yanky Mate
Yanky Mate
1 month ago

Gen z here, there’s no way in hell I’d willingly fly in one of those. I already have a screen in front of me.
I guess it would be a godsend for the people sitting in those window seats with no actual window, but other than that, I fail to see any value advantage this provides over a good old glass window.

NC Miata NA
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NC Miata NA
1 month ago

A giant plane screen is good for about 3 minutes of getting someone to look away from the screen that is already in their pocket and has all their favorite content ready for consumption. The notion that this plane will somehow appeal to Gen Z because you can watch CNN on the wall is proof nobody involved with this knows what the hell appeals to Gen Z.

Cranberry
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Cranberry
1 month ago
Reply to  NC Miata NA

The folks behind Quibi have moved onto aerospace efforts!

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago

My Mind just instantly went to fake crash landing video feeds, shaker seats and a well trained pilot.

Escape Room Private Flights could be fun.

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Comet_65cali

In addition wouldn’t this be great for inside scenes from Dr Who inside the Tardis? And why isn’t Tardis in auto correct?

Cranberry
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Cranberry
1 month ago

All I thought of while reading this was how I just watched Motorweek’s video on the Scion xA and xB and John’s blurb about how they were targeting teens to mid-20’s new car buyers with the then-new marque.

As the oldest Gen Z (or youngest millennial depending on how you split it) I would definitely give up windows and skip the screen for tangible savings. But I’m definitely not in the target tax bracket so what do I know?

Last edited 1 month ago by Cranberry
Pilotgrrl
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Pilotgrrl
1 month ago

Do these look like winged blimps, or is that just me?

Cars? I've owned a few
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Cars? I've owned a few
1 month ago
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The black and white one immediately below “The Phantom” sub-headline looks like a flying orca whale.

Why is it that aviation attracts so many dreamers with ideas that sound great but are rarely brought to fruition?

3Point8IsGreat
3Point8IsGreat
1 month ago

It’s an area a lot of people think is really cool and interesting. But few will ever making it to fruition because the financials of it are crushing. The price to design, build, and certify a plane is wild. Especially if you’re actually trying to do something new that will draw extra certification scrutiny or require extra research.

Look at how expensive defense programs get for example. They’re the programs most often pushing technology boundaries, and even with lower bars for certification they’re just beyond the finances a typical VC project can handle

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