Good morning! Today we have two cars that have a lot in common: price, color, style, conditition, but they’re not two cars you would think of as being comparable. When has that ever stopped us, though?
Yesterday I played a little bit dirty, just to see what it would take to get you all to vote for a K-car. As it turns out, a derelict Lincoln will do the trick, if it’s rough and overpriced enough. You not only preferred a grandma-spec Plymouth Reliant; you preferred it by more than three to one. Maybe I could get the dealership selling the Lincoln to change that banner from “I Buy Old Project Cars” to “Mission Accomplished.” (On second thought, maybe not.)


It goes without saying, I suppose, that I would take the Reliant here in a heartbeat. There are K variants I’d rather have than a gray four-door Reliant, but I could find a way to have fun with this. The question is, what to do with the other $997,000? Build a tree fort, I suppose.
Now then: Finding cars to feature here is more art than science. I have to reject a lot of ads, including many found by others, that would otherwise be great choices, because of bad photos, or not enough photos. Sometimes I skip something because there’s just not enough information about it, and every time I assume something about a car, I end up making a mistake – and boy do I hear about it.
But what really takes some time is finding the second car. Often I’ll find one thing I really want to write about, and then struggle to find it a mate. I found today’s Mustang a few days ago, but I had no idea what to put up against it, until the perfect car practically fell in my lap. They’re so closely matched, they could be mirror images of each other, except that they’re completely different sorts of cars. Let’s see which approach you prefer.
1988 Ford Mustang LX – $2,500
Engine/drivetrain: 2.3 liter overhead cam inline 4, four-speed automatic, RWD
Location: Antioch, IL
Odometer reading: 91,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
In the beginning, cars had no tops. This is largely because most wagons had no tops, and early automakers pretty much copied wagon designs. And it was good – until it rained. So some clever folks added a folding roof to keep the rain out. Later, even after cars gained permanent roofs, some buyers longed for the days when you could fold down the roof and let the sunshine in, so automakers sold convertible versions of hardtop cars. And it was good again – until a bunch of regulators proposed a bunch of new rules that would have killed convertibles, so automakers stopped making them. Then, in 1982, a guy named Lee thought, “You know what, those rules never came to pass. There’s no reason we can’t go back to making convertibles again.” So he did, and before long, so did everyone else. And, once again, it was good.
Ford wasted no time in bringing back a convertible Mustang after Chrysler broke the seal. Starting in 1983, the Mustang was available as a drop-top again, made from a notchback coupe by famed car-beheader ASC. This Mustang is from the second refresh of the third-generation Fox-body, which was only available with either a 2.3 liter inline four, or a 302 V8. This one has the four, which doesn’t have the power to back up the Mustang’s reputation, but it will run until the end of time. It’s backed by a four-speed automatic, which slows down progress even further. The seller says it runs fine, but suggests the car is a good candidate for an engine swap. Personally, I’d leave it alone, but I’m not as power-hungry as a lot of car folks.
Convertibles are great, when the weather is just right, and convertible owners tend to make the most of those days when the temperature is perfect and the sun is shining. Despite being in northern Illinois, it looks like this car has seen a lot of those days; its red upholstery is faded to a dusky pink. It’s in good condition otherwise, though. The top is in acceptable shape, and works, and the seller notes that the left rear quarter window won’t roll back up any more. Luckily, replacement window motors are cheap.
The body is clean and rust-free; this car must have been someone’s summer-only toy. It has newer Mustang GT wheels, which look good on it. It’s missing a piece of trim, but other than that, it looks nice.
1993 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme – $2,500
Engine/drivetrain: 3.1 liter overhead valve V6, four-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Omaha, NE
Odometer reading: 93,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives well
Replacing a beloved model, especially with a radically different car, is always a tricky business. Ford tried replacing the Fox-body Mustang with the Probe, of course, and got smacked down by the fans. GM’s fabled A-body platform, a fan favorite since 1964, lost its chassis designation to a front-wheel-drive car in 1982, becoming the G-body, and was then replaced altogether in 1988 by the FWD W-body – but not before going out with a bang, of course. To cushion the blow, GM made sure that the W-body had some cool special variants, including this car: the Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme convertible.
The W-body cars were originally only available as two-doors, probably because the final few years of G-body cars were also only two-doors. Part of the original design was a vertical door handle embedded in the B-pillar, a feature not shared with the later four-door variants. The convertible carries over the cool door handles, because it still has B-pillars, and a “basket-handle” roll bar. This probably keeps it a little bit less floppy than a typical unibody-based convertible. No other GM division got a convertible W-body, which means that there really was a special feel in this particular Oldsmobile. Apart from being a convertible, though, it’s a standard W-body, with the same 3.1 liter corporate V6 and overdrive automatic that most of them had. It runs and drives well, the seller says, and has no warning lights on the dash – a good sign.
You wouldn’t expect a convertible to be a base model, and this one isn’t – it’s got leather seats and all kinds of power stuff. It looks nice inside too, except for some gaudy aftermarket speakers in the rear, but you can probably get some less tacky grilles to hide them a little better. The top of the dash on the passenger’s side looks a little wonky, like it was taken apart and not reassembled right. It probably just needs to be snapped back into place.
It’s got a pretty good boop on the nose, but it looks like the hood still closes all right. It’s also missing a side-marker light, which you’d probably need to source from a junkyard. But it’s not rusty, and the top looks like it will last you a while yet.
So there you have it: two white convertibles with red interiors that approach the same place from different paths. Either one will give you plenty of fresh air on nice days, though. And with those, I leave you all for a week; my wife and I are headed to Tahiti for a bucket-list dream vacation. Fear not, however; I’m leaving you in the capable hands of Griffin Riley, who has a whole garden of crappy automotive delights in store for you. See you all next week!
(Image credits: sellers)
I don’t love the nose on this Cutlass, but I loved and love those skinny lights, which were cutting-edge when new, a real contrast with the myriad generic, rectangular sealed beams out there.
I have no idea what the sales pitch is for the Mustang: I chose the most obvious American sports car, but the lamest possible configuration of it?
I’ll take the fun Cutlass…that ugly Fix Or Repair Daily Mustang sucks…4cyl? Needs the V8. I miss Oldsmobile! I can’t believe that Reliant won yesterday…one of the absolute worst cars ever made
Have fun in Tahiti!
No emotional connection to either of these. No excitement whatsoever. So…if pushed to decide…this is a simple economic/investment decision.
There are a zillion of these Mustang convertibles around…but only a few of the Olds versions built. Based on scarcity alone…the Olds has more upside once cleaned up. I can see this rolling across an auction floor with some interest…the Mustang…not so much.
Olds for the meh vote.
I’ll take the cutlass, comfy cruising is what i want in a convertible. And those gaudy speakers can be replaced and the front end fixed.
The Mustang wins by default
It’s a Fox. With an aftermarket as deep as the Mariana Trench. Stiffen the unibody and stuff a warmed up 302 and a 5 speed manual in there. With a quiet, mellow exhaust it will be the perfect companion on a summer cruise. It won’t win any awards but will provide many smiles per gallon.
I don’t want either one but RWD > FWD.
Tough call, the Cutlass is in better shape, save the hood. The top on the Mustang looks really rough. I wonder if a modern 2.3 Ecoboost would be an easy swap in the Mustang? I’m going to pick Ford, because I hate GM products.
Like Vanilla Ice I’ll be cruising in my (not a 5.0) with the ragtop down so my (total lack of hair) can blow.
If you view the mustang as a starting point its an OK car. But a 4 cylinder auto is the least desirable Fox.
I’m sorry, did we just get two Vanilla Ice references within 4 minutes of each other?
Rollin’ in my
5.02.3With my rag-top down
so my hair can blowbecause that left rear quarter window won’t roll back up!I hate that that rear windows on the Cutlass don’t roll down, so Fox Body wins by default
I wanted to vote Cutlass – that is where my heart truly lies. But the front end damage is enough to sway me to the Mustang.
Plus as was mentioned before, parts for the Mustang will be much easier to source to either keep it stock or to build it up. I have a ’92 LeBaron convertible and like the Cutlass, parts are not so readily available even though these cars were thick on the ground 30 years ago.
Mustang. Basing my decision on looks only here. A friend had that Cutlass convertible with the 3.4L DOHC in perfect shape and low mileage he sold a few years ago. Struggled to find someone who was interested in buying it.
I wonder how hard it is to throw a 5 speed in the Mustang?
Even when these were new, the fact both had the rigidity of wet Wonderbread meant that they were never going to be very different to whoever was driving.
Annnd now we have a home for the big block I plucked from the Lincoln yesterday, already setup for an auto! A quick extra trip to the junkyard I scrapped the Lincoln shell at to trade the Lima and trans for an Explorer 8.8 and we’ve got ourselves a fine little death trap.
I like the way you think!
Some frame stiffeners welded on a level floor and some cross-braces will let it use the big block without turning into a pretzel.
Exactly, I once saw a two year old Fox hatch in a junkyard because none of the doors would close anymore.
I’ve had a Lima 2.3. Won’t do it again.
Ah, so the bulbs are all burned out. I’ll still take the Olds. Never been a fan of Fox-bodies and the 4 cylinder vert may be my least favorite of them all.
I learned to drive in a Cutlass Supreme sedan, and have always had a soft spot for the convertibles. Especially ones like this that don’t have the garbage DOHC 3.4! And the Mustang would be tempting if it was the right engine or the right transmission, but having the wrong of both is a deal breaker. I’ll go with the newer and honestly nicer Olds.
Enjoy Tahiti! That’s going to be awesome!
My second car was my stepdads silver 83 Cutlass Supreme with T-Tops and I loved that car.
It had cruise control so on more than a couple of occasions I fully stood up with a foot on the steering wheel. It’s like I wanted to kill myself or something 🙂
Yeah mine was a 97, so this body style, even the same wheels.
I graduated from high school in 1992 and these, along with the 5.0 GTs were ubiquitous and I loved them.
A white LX 5.0 convertible would have been my choice back then, until I started dreaming about the boxy Supras with the Targa top.
If the Mustang is going to be limited by engine and transmission to being a slow cruiser anyways, I might as well just buy the one that was designed to be a slow cruiser.
Olds all day.
I pick the Mustang for the oodles of ways to modify with a big block.
The Cutlass for those days to cruise into Atlantic City and gamble.
I know, I know: “It’s Not My Father’s Oldsmobile.”
It’s his my divorced father’s girlfriend’s Oldsmobile, and I’ll take it.
This isn’t even a challenge. Fox-body Mustang, at that price. Regardless of its price. is going to win BASED on chassis alone. You can make it a fun crusier, find an SVO/Turbo coupe and make it a fun canyon carver.
The Fox-body is a blank canvas, and at this price, nothing else compares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrvx7d28yo0
This is SBSD in a nutshell and if you don’t agree you are blind.
No, the cutlass doesn’t win. IF only by spite, and if you vote cutlass I will assume you voted for the bad policy man regardless because it kept the statis quo.
There is way more aftermarket support for the ol’ Limas than most people realize, including replacement twin-overhead-cam heads. So Mustang for me as well. I’ll swap parts until I have the Cosworth Fox Mustang that Ford never built. (OK, the SVO was pretty close).
I like the idea of A Cutlass from this generation, but not THIS Cutlass. It’s just a hair too ratty, and it must be a nightmare to get body and lighting parts for these by now. Mustang wins of parts availability and potential alone.
Man the seats in that Olds look comfy, like an old pair of perfectly worn-in shoes. I could probably take a killer nap in them
My initial thought was “yeah, while waiting for the tow truck”.
Sorry, I’ve been in a grumpy mood lately.
You’re not wrong, it’s an Olds after all. I just have gotten old enough that seat comfort has a lot more appeal than it used to. My wife drives a Mazda3, and while it’s a fantastic car, 30 minutes of driving it and the bolstering is digging into me like I owe it money
I can confirm that those seats are a dream to sit on. I had the same seats (and steering wheel with radio and HVAC controls) in my first car, an ’89 Olds Toronado Trofeo. I wish I could have kept the seats when the car got junked, but alas I was in college and had nowhere to put them.
I wanted to pick the Olds here, but with that front end damage, it’s just not worth fixing in a car worth as little as this one.