I’ve decided that the theme of this week is going to be platform-mates, and today, I’m featuring a platform you all love to hate: Chrysler’s savior back in the ’80s, the K-car. These cars provided reliable(ish) transportation for millions of people thirty or forty years ago, and today they have a following that seems to be equal parts nostalgia and irony. We’re going to look at two of them that are ten years apart.
Yesterday was all about the BG’s Greatest Hits. I was pleased to see that I started a joke, and a few of you ran with it. Oh, and we looked at a couple of cars, too. The super-clean Mercury Tracer, with its zoomy 1.8 liter BP engine, took home a decisive win over the cool-but-scruffy Mazda MX-3. It sounds like if the MX-3 had been a V6, it would have pushed the vote the other way, but you’re not going to find one of those for $2,500.
I went back and forth on this one before making my decision. The MX-3 is cheaper, and it’s closer to what I’d be looking for in a fun car at this stage. I love a good BP with a manual, but that Tracer is almost too nice for what I’d have in mind, which would almost certainly involve rallycross. I’d feel bad if something happened to it. I’ll take the MX-3, and leave the Tracer to someone who wants to polish it up and show it off.

Common wisdom says that it’s better to buy a car from the last year of an old design than from the first year of a new one. Sure, you might miss out on some whiz-bang new features, but you’re getting a car that has had all its bugs worked out. But what if the previous model was absolute garbage? That was definitely the case with the K platform. Chrysler’s F and M platforms were worthless – and that’s coming from the second-biggest Mopar apologist on this site. The K car had its faults, especially early on, but it was rock-solid compared to what came before. And by the end, the K’s derivatives, especially the AA platform, were actually really good cars. So let’s take a look at one early K car, and one late AA car, and see if I can talk you into one of them.
1983 Chrysler LeBaron convertible – $3,998

Engine/drivetrain: 2.6-liter OHC inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Kirkland, WA
Odometer reading: 57,000 miles
Operational status: I have no idea, actually
You know what puzzles me? Chrysler sold more LeBaron coupes than it did convertibles in every model year from 1982 through 1989, but all you ever see for sale anymore are the convertibles. Where did all those coupes go? I assume it’s that the coupes were seen as just regular cars, so they all got used up, while the convertibles were saved for special occasions and lasted. You know what else puzzles me? How did a clean, low-mileage, forty-three-year-old LeBaron convertible end up at a buy-here-pay-here lot in suburban Seattle? I mean, a ten-year-old Chrysler 200 with a quarter-million miles on it and its Check Engine light taped over, sure, but this?

For the first few years, the K car was available with two different engines: Chrysler’s own 2.2-liter four, or a Mitsubishi-built 2.6-liter. Fancier models, like the LeBaron convertible, usually got the 2.6. It’s carbureted, with that late-malaise-era electronic feedback system that has about a million sensors and a couple miles of vacuum lines. When it’s all working well, it’s fine, but one tiny vacuum leak or wiring short can cause all kinds of drivability problems. I can’t tell you how well this one runs, because the dealership selling it gives absolutely no information about the car’s mechanical condition. I assume it at least runs, or they wouldn’t be asking four grand for it. Anything beyond that is up to you to determine.

You’d expect a fancier interior in this car than in your typical Plymouth Reliant, and you wouldn’t be disappointed. It has leather seats – I don’t know how rich or Corinthian they are; Chrysler was still operating on a shoestring in 1983 – and a fancy trip computer operated by a bank of buttons on the dash. The display for it is right where the Electronic Message Center would normally be, so I have a feeling that the two options were mutually exclusive. This one doesn’t talk, I’m afraid, but it can show you your average fuel economy. It’s in decent shape inside, but the center armrest needs to be recovered.

It has a brand new convertible top, according to the seller, and the paint looks nice and shiny. This car must have spent most of its life in a garage. Kind of a waste, if you ask me, leaving a car sitting around like that, but at least the next owner can put some miles on it.
1993 Dodge Spirit ES – $3,333

Engine/drivetrain: 2.5-liter OHC inline 4, three-speed automatic, FWD
Location: Seattle, WA
Odometer reading: 43,000 miles
Operational status: Runs and drives fine, but needs a few things
The actual K platform was retired after 1989, but its successor, the AA, was more or less the same thing, with a longer wheelbase. Build the same thing long enough, and you’re bound to get good at it. The Dodge Spirit and its sister model the Plymouth Acclaim weren’t the most exciting things on four wheels, but they got the job done reliably. This Spirit ES was the “sporty” model, kind of like Chevy’s Eurosport – alloy wheels, no chrome trim, and bucket seats instead of a bench.

It also boasts a tachometer for its 2.5-liter throttle-body fuel-injected engine, and a floor-mounted shifter for its Torqueflite automatic transmission. You could actually get a five-speed manual in these, but they’re almost unheard-of. This one has only 43,000 miles on it, 30,000 of which were added in the past few years. It had its head gasket replaced a while back, unnecessarily, and the shop that did it botched some things. It has a small exhaust leak at the manifold, and a broken bolt on the valve cover that will need to be drilled out and re-tapped at some point. This is why it’s important, if you can’t do repairs and maintenance yourself, to find a reputable and trustworthy mechanic. I’ve heard way too many stories like that over the years.

It’s a little dirty inside, but everything looks like it’s in good shape. It has some really cool seat upholstery, too. The radio only works about half the time, according to the seller, but that’s easy enough to replace. Since it’s an ES, it has all the power toys, but the seller doesn’t elaborate on how much of it still works.

It’s nice and shiny outside, and I wouldn’t expect it to have any rust. It has been de-badged on the back, strangely, making it look like one of those generic cars used in auto parts store advertisements. Come to think of it, I think quite a few of those cars back then were Dodge Spirits. This is a car you wouldn’t have looked twice at thirty years ago. Now, however, there are so few left that it stands out.
I imagine some of you are going to shout “Neither!” and refuse to vote. That’s your prerogative. And I expect a few comments along the lines of “My aunt/grandpa/girlfriend’s mom had one of those, and it was crap.” Maybe I haven’t swayed anyone. And that’s fine; tomorrow I’ll give you a chance to vote for something else. Today, however, is all about the K cars.









The cheap convertible, absolutely, or my name isn’t Karen.
The LeBaron is probably the better choice, but the interior is actually turning me away. Maybe it’s too shiny, or too… brown? The price on the Spirit has dropped on CL, but the maintenance work is still a deterrent. There’s probably a more interesting vehicle to be had for that price.
Easiest vote ever. Didn’t even read anything.
No. The answer is no. I’d rather Fred Flintstone a 70s Cadillac.
Yabba Dabba …don’t?
This is the real answer. Especially at these prices. Neither of these is worth over $2500.
The Spirit has been reduced to $2500 and he says he’ll consider offers. For 2 grand – I’d rock it
Even in that condition, the LeBaron is way too ugly for me.
I’ll take that LeBaron K-onvertible. And financing is available so I can get a payment of $115.17/month for 72 months at 28% like Iacocca intended!
one one hand, i had a 92 spirit in high school and it was a boring, reliable, unkillable POS. on the other, a convertible (with leather!) that’s basically the same car underneath. i voted for the spirit, but could go either way. this is my kind of sh!tbox.
“It has leather seats – I don’t know how rich or Corinthian they are; Chrysler was still operating on a shoestring in 1983”
A buddy of mine in the late 80’s had a white paint and wood paneling convertible of this vintage with the same carbureted 2.6L 3A. He bragged about how it had MARK CROSS leather. It may not have been Corinthian but it was rich and soft and very nice.
It was also not the best choice for a top down convertible on a hot day.
My grandfather had a late 80’s K-Car New Yorker “Mark Cross Edition” with burgundy leather. I just remember the soft leather cushy seats and the nice leather smell.
Peak Grandpa car!
In high school, the Spirit ranked right up there with the fastest cars around. They could be floored by a 16 year old all day and not end with death of the teen or the car.
Had to pick the spirit for the nostalgia for 90’s late night teen mischief. I would drive it all day with 2 10s in the trunk and a sony Xplode stereo up front.
That LeBaron is such garbage, but with low miles and a new top, for 3 thousand bucks I’ll just revel in the dirtbag vibe, enjoy that two-tone brown interior, and run it until I hate it. Plus, NO CREDIT NO PROBLEM! FINANCING AVAILABLE!
They’re so accommodating and friendly. They have my interests at heart.
I was ready to go for the Spirit, but the bad surgery is a problem I wouldn’t want to risk. And that photo of it leering in through the tent door while you sleep is putting me off for some reason.
“And that photo of it leering in through the tent door while you sleep is putting me off for some reason.”
Nothing to worry about there… it’s not like the car wants to eat you or run over you.
And how about that picture with the crow on top of the car? Nothing to worry about there either. I’m very sure the crow won’t swoop down on you and peck your eyes out.
No sir. No chance of that.
Yikes, that’s not a bad sign right? A black crow on top of a car. And why the tent photo? Are they marketing it to outdoorsmen? “If you need to go camping, there’s no better car…”
“Yikes, that’s not a bad sign right? “
As I said… nothing to worry about…
Nothing to worry about at all…
No sir…
Seattle belongs to its crows, I figure that’s an endorsement not a warning.
“It’s nice and shiny outside, and I wouldn’t expect it to have any rust.”
Rust is not a potential buyer’s greatest concern. The last pic indicates that the local crows have claimed it. Anyone who takes away the shiny thing faces considerable implications:
https://youtu.be/WoX_6q8PGYc?si=XRVt32yLbYx4lOMd
That LeBaron interior is gorgeous!
I thought you’d like it…yeah, I was gonna go Spirit but had to go LeBaron since it’s Jon Voight’s car and his pencil might be in the glovebox (That’s GOLD, Jerry…GOLD!)
I even made a list:
-great interior (as mentioned)
-more interesting
-convertible
-low miles/great shape
-A time capsule
-no botched repairs
-Did I mention it’s Jon Voight’s car?!
Ha ha
Dodge Spirit for me. The Chrysler 2.5L is actually a better engine than the Mitsubishi 2.6 used in earlier K-cars.
Plus I prefer a sedan over a convertible and that Spirit looks to be in fantastic condition. And I’ll take a fuel injected car over a carb’d car most of the time.
And I’ll take the picture of that crow on the Spirit to be a TOTALLY good sign…
Never more, quoth the Raven sitting on that hard top. So it’s the convertible for me.
That way the Raven can poop on you from above whilst quoting ‘Door Ajar’ it learned from the Chrysler Electronic Voice Alert.
I already face that risk with my convertible when on the road. But what’s worse is when they poop on my car when it’s in the garage! I guess I should keep the door closed more…
I would really have to go see the white one in person to decide. the Spirit seller comes of as pretty honest about the whole thing and it is a decent low mileage version for the most part, but because no wood grain the vert is pretty tempting. I am not fan of feedback carbs though. so it would be a tickmark against the ting I suppose. man, today is a toss up.
I probably would’ve leaned Spirit if only for the safety improvement. But that CL listing was one of the better examples I’ve seen: Honest, and complete. So that certainly sealed the deal.
I’m sure the convertible will find a good home as well. Its interior is better than it has any right to be.
the spirit. a buddy in high school’s family had one that was apparently unkillable. they got it for a song after the ’93 flood with a salvage title. dried it out and practically did nothing to it after that.
Depends: is there a chewed pencil in the LeBaron’s glove box?
If it’s Jon Voy’s I’m sold!
With no both option, I chose the Spirit. It’d be more mundane, with an actual Chrysler engine (fuel injected at that!), and I can appreciate that.
I used to know a woman named Karen. She was a wonderful person. Therefore it’s the white Chrysler LeBaron for me.
Hmm. Wonder what she traded it in for?
The Spirit has a cooler interior
I have experience with both ends of this showdown as I was originally handed down an ’84 New Yorker (w/ talking computer) as my first ever drive and later received a base model ’92 Spirit w/ power nothing.
In my experience, the main things that stick in my mind about the New Yorker were the velour seats that were oh, so comfortable like a well worn-in sofa. On the Spirit side of the ledger, the car was just honest and you could feel the decade-plus of advancement over the earlier car.
Maybe I’m growing softer as I get older, so I do miss the absolute comfy thrones in the New Yorker. But in the end, I prefer my cars to be a bit more modern than that. So I voted Spirit.
I’m kind of weird, but my ideal would be a Plymouth Acclaim 2.5, but with the button-tufted seats out of the corresponding LeBaron Sedan (velour, not leather) Those seats look like they came out of the New Yorker. The LeBaron Sedan was ok, but it always had the Mitsubishi 3.0 which I never cared for, and I think they had the early UltraDrive transmission, yuk. They also always had hideous vinyl roofs that covered parts of the rear doors like a lot of Iacocca Mopars did.
Was it just Chrysler, or are all car interiors the last thing to get re-designed on a new model?
The LeBaron’s interior feels like it’s from 1978, and the Spirit’s from 1985.
The Spirit has a more comfortable steering wheel. Winner!
I live in Virginia. Today we have to vote. We’re choosing between a map gerrymandered by Republicans or a map gerrymandered by Democrats.
Compared the the choice I had to make this morning, I would select either of those K-Cars, drink whatever is leaking from them and lick the vinyl.
I live in VA too. I voted early last week, it was an easy choice….
You don’t have to vote, but the best part is you are given the choice. Some aren’t so fortunate to have that option (looking at Texas)
…and look next, to America’s Dong, which will Shirley impose gerrymandering on its residents next without a referendum.
Because America’s Dong hates most of its residents. (why more can’t seem to realize this remains a puzzlement.)
/Ranty McRantface
Gerrymandering is such a terrible thing. The parties aren’t enshrined in the Constitution yet they make it so that no other choices are viable. Then they gerrymander the districts so that there’s no competition between them. As an unaffiliated voter, it just stinks.
It does seem to be one issue that just about everyone who’s remotely rational finds pretty abhorrent, and would like to have decided based on obvious geographic/population concerns and not on who-wins-this-round.
Thing is, when it’s been put to referenda, that’s exactly what people choose. And then those choices are ignored, because reasons!
I agree in principle but in this case, the Republicans can take their pearl clutching and jump off a cliff with it. They are WAY more guilty of this. They’ve been buying state-level elections so they can gerrymander districts for federal elections ever since they lost their marbles over Obama winning the presidency. Democrats have been behind the curve on this (they don’t fight dirty nearly as well) but with Trump openly calling for Texas to gerrymander this election, they finally went for it with some gusto. I don’t like it but I can’t blame them. The Republicans want to do to this country what Viktor Orban did to Hungary, and they absolutely will not operate in good faith on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/09/gerrymandering-republican-redistricting
Oh, it makes sense and I wouldn’t argue that it’s not a smart thing for the parties to do to consolidate power. I still hate it whether it’s done by one side or the other. I live in an area that is solidly Trump country. Due to gerrymandering, my area is represented by a Democrat. Outlawing gerrymandering would change this, but I think it would better represent the people in the area and isn’t that the purpose of the House of Representatives?
I hear you, but it takes two parties acting in good faith for that to happen. Otherwise the other will simply be steamrolled, which is what has already happened and why Republican representation is out of proportion. I have the opposite issue, I live in a solid blue metro area in a red state and the legislature carved it up and diluted it so all 5 of our House reps are Republican despite less that party having less than 55% of the state’s registered voters. Republicans do this more often, more effectively, and with more focused aim at consolidating power rather than representing the people.
Yeah, I agree that it takes everyone acting in good faith, and we all know that will never happen, so this is what we get. I can still dislike it and wish we were better, as silly as that is.
It’s good to keep the faith. I’m trying not to be overly cynical but it’s difficult.
Easy yes for me.
I also live in Virginia, and since I managed to find the absentee ballot I forgot to mail in, I feel compelled to vote. Virginia’s congressional map isn’t gerrymandered – we went to redistricting by a non-partisan or party-balanced commission before the last redistricting cycle several years ago – and that’s the way it should be everywhere, but the Supreme Court said partisan criteria in redistricting was totally fine. Kudos to the Republicans in the Indiana legislature that shot it down there after Trump’s order went out (given current polling. they probably won’t pay a huge price for it this fall), but the California and Virginia changes will only more-or-less restore the status quo altered by Texas et al.
K KARS ARE KRAP
I once had a K-car as a company car for 2 very long miserable years. I can’t really think of anything good to say about it. Slow, lousy interior, horrible driving dynamics, noisy, did I mention slow? Painfully slow. Started to fall apart before 50K miles.
That said, If I had to pick one, the Konvertible of course,
All the K’s in place of C’s in your comment is concerning.
Unless one is a fan of the Kinks, in which kase it’s not only allowed but enkouraged, and not the least bit kontroversial.
We’ll certainly didn’t mean to express anything but contempt (Kontempt?) for K cars.
Hmm, on the one hand, the LeBaron is a dazzling convertible that can put a little fun back in your life, but, on the other, the Spirit offers quality and value unmatched by anything from Japan or Korea, and they both had the best safety-related recall records over two full model years of any US-based automaker, so, it is hard to choose there.
Convertibles are not fun.
as a former jeep owner and hopefully one again soon, this is not true. they are the gift that keeps giving. imagine having spare time with nothing to do. the convertible top fixes that by letting you spend hours tracking down all the little nuisance gaps that allow even the slightest source of moisture in!