No vehicle starts out as a shitbox. Okay, maybe you could make a case for some of the usual suspects: Chevy Vega, Yugo, things like that. But for the most part, making a shitbox requires time, mileage, and neglect. And sometimes, it requires welding together two or more old neglected vehicles to create something new. Whether you think the rat rod phenomenon is a breath of fresh air in the hot-rodding universe, or a scary way to use up parts that belong in a junkyard, one thing we can all agree on is that rat rods are definitely shitboxes.
We started out our week of weird choices with a couple of pre-war cars yesterday, and it was another case of the comments not matching the vote tally. I thought for sure the Model T was going to walk away with it. Lots of commenters wanted to try driving it, for the same reason I want to drive one someday: out of respect for its place in history. But in the end, the little Bantam roadster beat it in the poll by more than two to one.
I would jump at the chance to drive either one of these, actually, even if it was just around a parking lot. But I can roughly guess how the Bantam drives; I’ve driven other small cars with non-synchro gearboxes before. I have no frame of reference for the Model T, and that makes it more intriguing.
The term “rat rod” is pretty poorly defined; it can really refer to any modified car that doesn’t have a shiny finish. Body work is much harder than mechanical work, so some hot rodders skip the shiny paint, and just fix up mechanical stuff. The result is a rusty, patinated mess that hauls ass. But sometimes, a rat rod is just a jumble of crap welded together. And it can be hard to tell which is which if you don’t know what you’re looking at. These two are rusty, patinated messes for sure. Is either of them worth it underneath? Let’s take a look and find out.
1946 Studebaker truck, more or less – $31,900
Engine/drivetrain: 14-liter two-stroke diesel V12, automatic of some sort, RWD
Location: Sardis, OH
Odometer reading: unknown
Operational status: Runs and drives well
Take an old truck body, drop it onto a more modern frame, and cram the biggest engine you can find into it, and what do you get? This. It’s a ’46 Studebaker cab, on some sort of much heavier-duty truck frame, which obviously required some width to be added to the fenders. It looks like something straight out of a Mad Max movie, but it was actually built for a burnout competition, of all things.
What does it take to spin those big rear dualies into a cloud of tire smoke? Power and torque, as much of it as you can get. In this case, that means a Detroit Diesel 12V71. Twelve cylinders, each one with more displacement than an entire Geo Metro, making 450 horsepower and 1,200 pound-feet of torque. It has an automatic transmission, but that’s all the seller says. I’m guessing it’s not just your basic Turbo 400. It runs and drives great, according to the seller, but personally I can’t imagine keeping something that wide between the lines on the road.
The thing about hot rods, rat or otherwise, is that safety is rarely a concern. A car only has to meet the safety standards of the model year on the title, no matter what else has been done to it. This is a 1946 Studebaker in the eyes of the law, and the entirety of automotive safety features in 1946 was “don’t crash.” Someone has added seat belts to this one, at least, but it also has absolutely bizarre seats. It also appears to come with noise-cancelling headphones, which tells you all you need to know about how comfortable it is inside.
I really want to know how wide this silly thing actually is. The original Studebaker M-series was about 80 inches wide, about the same as most full-size pickups, but this one has had about eight inches added to each side. That would put it at about eight feet wide, which makes me guess that it has semi-truck axles of some type under there. It just looks extra-wide because the cabs of old trucks were so narrow.
1948 White truck, and then some – $3,500
Engine/drivetrain: OHV V8 of unknown displacement, automatic of some sort, RWD
Location: Leechburg, PA
Odometer reading: unknown
Operational status: Runs and drives, needs a new battery
There are absolutely no rules when it comes to putting together a rat rod. If you can make it fit, you’re golden. Cut, bend, grind, and/or hammer a part until it goes where you want it to go, weld it in place, and suddenly it “belongs.” This truck is made up of at least three different vehicles that we know of, and possibly more. The cab (and presumably the title) is from a 1948 White medium-duty truck, the frame and suspension are from a 1952 Studebaker, and the back half of the body is from a 1960 Buick Invicta, narrowed to match the width of the cab. Work with what you have, I guess.
I assumed, when I first looked at this truck, that the engine and transmission were from the ’60 Buick as well, but that is not a Buick nailhead V8. I don’t know what it is, actually. I don’t recognize it. If someone in the comments knows, please enlighten us. I do know that the seller says it runs and drives, but the battery is shot. It also may or may not need a new steering box, which I presume is from Studebaker, but you could probably get something else to work.
Figuring out when a car like this was built is sometimes a challenge, but I think we can probably narrow this one down to the 1970s, based on the interior parts. The GM truck steering column, tiny thick-rimmed Grant steering wheel, and fancy embroidery on the seat all scream ’70s. For some reason, the aftermarket shifter is installed upside-down; if you zoom way in on the photo, you can see that it’s in Park. Not sure why you would do that.
What’s funny is that, from the cab back, the body style almost kinda-sorta works. The hood and too-tall grille being at the wrong angle look weird, though. And I sincerely hope that rusty cylinder behind the back window isn’t the fuel tank like I fear it is.
I did warn you that we were going to be looking at some weird stuff this week. And once again, I don’t expect you to want to buy either of these. My question for the day is: which one would your character in a George Miller movie drive?
The Studebaker is auditioning for the next Mad Max movie.
I have no idea what the White is doing!
No vote, keeping my $$
I want neither of these… so I voted for the cheaper one so that I’d be out less cash when I take it to the crusher.
I think if they do another season of Twisted Metal, that Studebaker will be a cast member
An outstanding amount of nope today.
The only sensible answer.
No idea who George Miller is but voted for the 2nd ugly one because almost $30,000 cheaper.
Studebaker you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1A4Rpsden0
That Stud is so cool.I would drive that thing everywhere for about 5 minutes before I got sick of it. And we are playing with internet money here so it doesn’t matter.
Buy the Studebaker, put it on Turo for $200/day, profit (eventually).
The Studebaker is just a brodozer in disguise, off to the crusher with it. The White could be saved by redoing the front end to be a bit less Nigel Thornberry and getting rid of the seller’s finger in the photos.
That Studebaker is utterly crude, rude, and absolutely idiotic and should never have been done.
I’ll take two.
For some reason, the aftermarket shifter is installed upside-down; if you zoom way in on the photo, you can see that it’s in Park. Not sure why you would do that.
Looking at how janky everything is, I’m assuming that was the only way to get the (I assume) column shift to the floor?
Both have a digital problem.
The Studebaker has an extra one, the White is missing one.
For $9999 or less, the Studebaker is a cool truck. For more than that? No way.
As for the White, $3500 is far too cheap. I figure that it needs at least a $35,000 donation to the Lady Bird Johnson foundation before it is towed there, set on fire and crushed in honor of her birthday.
I know it’s house money, but I’d rather set fire to the smaller pile. White.
Yeah, the “Studebaker” is CP money..
As a teenager, I spent a lot of hours driving a GMC truck with an automatic and a Detroit 2-stroke. It struggled to top 80 km/h. I’m voting for the “Studebaker” because I’d enjoy the novelty of a fast 2-stroke truck. Plus, it would sound like the impending apocalypse. They don’t call them Screamin’ Jimmies for nothing.
Voted walking.
I actually kind of love the Stude, but not at that price. The White is a cool concept, I see where they were going, but that hood/grille really needs some work. I’ve seen this done before with the back half of a late 50’s Chrysler, and I think this concept works better with the massive fins.
I don’t really want either, but for the price the White could be fun to tinker with.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a car that I’ve wanted to own less than that Studebaker. Nothing about it appeals to me. Not much about the White appeals to me either, but it’s slightly less ugly and definitely cheaper.
I’d go for the White/Buick contraption and immediately yank the grille and hood. From the rear 3/4 view that thing is fabulously good and stupid. The front needs some sort of simple grille/radiator setup and no hood.
Whichever you pick, you’re going to wind up with tetanus.
White! Wow, I can’t believe how bad that diesel “Studebaker” is…I don’t even know where to start. That thing is so “Ohio!” ha ha. $31,900?! Total crackpipe! I’m going for the White since it’s cheaper and at least a little less insane but it’s still a mess.
Thank you Mark for at least some more interesting shitboxes this week!
Normally I don’t go along with the “I vote neither!” comments – it’s just hypothetical! You’re picking the least stinky turd! But today – man. I just keep hovering over one poll option, then the other, then putting my head down on my desk.
Noping out of this one.
So it’s WTF on SBS day, huh? Neither is the only reasonable choice for me as I figure I couldn’t get either one registered here in Cali and I don’t have a few extra acres to drive around on (but maybe I’m wrong on the registration thing, I don’t know.). If forces, I’m taking the second one. Never liked giant black clouds of carcinogens belching out of vertical pipes.
The Stude is too wide for me. Its a bit too bro dozer of a rat rod for my tastes. But that massively modified white is awesome. I like how they even got the door patina to follow the curve of the paint from the rear section. The front end is terrible though. But as a foundation for a truck that needs some more work or a whole new front end, that thing is very cool.
Based on the comments, the Studebaker is very polarizing. I LOVE IT. I would totally grow a mohawk, dress in leathers, mount loudspeakers blasting the Mad Max 2 soundtrack, and drive it everywhere.