One of the most common misunderstandings in the automotive world lately is what automakers are required or not required to do. For instance, a modern car almost certainly has to have a collapsible steering wheel and a catalytic converter. A passenger-side mirror isn’t required by the feds, nor is there any sort of federal EV mandate.
Lee Zeldin, the newest administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, tweeted yesterday that he wanted to kill “stop-start” technology. It’s just yet another intersection of politics and cars I’m going to try to tackle in The Morning Dump, though he sort of has a point. Or, at least, half a point.


That’s not all! Republicans in the House are working on both an end to the EV tax credit and the addition of deductibility of car interest. What survives and what doesn’t is all up in the air at this moment.
The economic picture is looking perhaps a bit rosier this morning as inflation estimates show that the economy is not getting cataclysmically worse, even though at least one car-related metric is trending in the wrong direction.
Nissan is also still trending in the wrong direction, so some tough decisions are going to have to be made.
‘Everyone Hates It’
Start/stop technology: where your car dies at every red light so companies get a climate participation trophy. EPA approved it, and everyone hates it, so we’re fixing it. pic.twitter.com/zFhijMyHDe
— Lee Zeldin (@epaleezeldin) May 12, 2025
Does literally “everyone” hate stop/start technology as EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin claims above? No, but it’s true that many folks haven’t been fans of the tech, even though it’s gotten better over time. I’d say, on modern cars, I bet most people don’t care about stop/start systems, which shut off the engine when stopped for long periods of time to save fuel.
Personally, I just had a car with stop/start, and it would sometimes cause an awkward drop in brake pressure when the vehicle couldn’t decide if I was stopping or not. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t like it. The first version of it I experienced was on a Chevy Malibu, I think, and the early versions were quite bad. Additionally, almost every car with stop/start allows you to turn it off, but most make it a requirement every time you get in the car, as opposed to something you can just defeat permanently.
Why are carmakers doing it? Are the feds making them do it? Not quite. Let’s break down what’s being said here.
“Start/stop technology: where your car dies at every red light so companies get a climate participation trophy.”
The car doesn’t die, per se, but it does turn off. It can definitely be annoying! Hybrids, like my CR-V, and even mild-hybrids like BMW’s eBoost, offer a seamless experience because the vehicle can coast to a stop, which makes it less awkward. I doubt many BMW buyers even notice eBoost working.
The “participation trophy” is a reference to the fact that, while not required, automakers get credit (via the off-cycle credit program) for all sorts of things to weigh against both federal and CARB emission requirements. Some of these are legit, and others are, well, less legit.
As Jason Fenske points out in the video above, people who idle their cars often at stoplights likely see a real benefit from stop-start in fuel savings. One estimate shows that almost 10 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions are taken out of the environment every year by this requirement.
A “participation trophy” in this sense is trying to encourage automakers to do things that make cars more efficient, which is a net good thing. Stop/start is an easy target because many people do hate it for completely understandable reasons.
“EPA approved it, and everyone hates it, so we’re fixing it.”
This gets a little more complicated. Automakers like the credit because it’s a simple way to keep emissions in check, which, if California gets to maintain its waiver, is going to be important. If California loses its waiver and the government rolls back requirements, well, automakers might care a little less.
If “fixing it” just means removing the credit–and that’s the only thing it could mean–I doubt it’ll change that much automaker behavior. More and more vehicles are moving towards better mild-hybrid setups or full-hybrid setups that consumers like (or don’t even notice). Plus, most cars are designed for multiple markets these days, so the incentive to pull out stop/start probably isn’t huge.
This feels a bit like saying you’re going to regulate horseshoe technology in 1913, but for the people who still use the old-style horseshoes maybe it’s a compelling argument. This is a cautionary tale of the unintended consequences of regulation, wherein companies do something to check a box that ultimately serves its purpose while also pissing a not small number of consumers/voters off.
[Ed Note: I get why people dislike ESS; sometimes it’s unrefined, and the real-world fuel savings in terms of MPGs are often quite modest (though they can reach between 7 percent and 26 percent, per SAE, as Consumer Reports notes). To many consumers (like my parents), it’s not worth the tradeoff. Still, the concept is good, and modern 48 volt ESS systems are quite solid. -DT].
EV Tax Credit Dead (Maybe), Car Loan Interest Deductible (Maybe)

Now that tariffs are, slightly, on the sidelines, President Trump is working on his single big bill to codify many of his ambitions, including the continuation of his tax policy from his first term. Just to make it simple, I’ll refer to it as the tax bill.
In theory, via the Byrd Rule, any changes to the federal budget have to balance out in order to reduce the deficit. This rarely happens, but it’s a legislative hurdle. Again, in theory, most Republicans and Democrats want a balanced budget, even if in practice no party seems to have any sort of discipline in this regard when they’re in power.
Any continuation of tax cuts will have to be paid for, and one way to partially do that is to eliminate the EV tax credit and any EV manufacturing stimulus put forth by the Biden Administration.
Unsurprisingly, according to Reuters (via AN), that’s what Republicans want to do:
The proposal, set for a House Ways and Means Committee hearing on May 13, would repeal a $7,500 new-vehicle tax credit and a $4,000 used-vehicle credit on Dec. 31, although it would maintain the new-vehicle credit for an additional year for automakers that have not yet sold 200,000 EVs.
The president of the Electric Drive Transportation Association, Genevieve Cullen, criticized the proposal, saying that plans “to abandon U.S. leadership in energy innovation by gutting federal investment in electrification are catastrophically short-sighted.”
Hey, good news for Slate, as under this plan, the first 200,000 customers would get the tax credit. I’m open to the argument that there should be a cap on tax credits, as, once automakers are established as EV automakers, do they really need the discount? I’d make the number closer to 800,000 vehicles, given just how hard it is to make cars.
This would offset about $2 billion a year, which isn’t all that much compared to the scale of the federal budget, but it’s not nothing.
There’s another piece of this, though:
House Republicans also propose to kill a loan program that supports the manufacture of certain advanced technology vehicles. It would rescind any unobligated funding and rescind corporate average fuel economy standards and greenhouse gas emission rules for 2027 and beyond. That portion will be taken up by the Energy and Commerce Committee.
Among outstanding loans finalized in President Joe Biden’s last weeks in office are $9.63 billion to a joint venture of Ford and South Korean battery maker SK On for construction of three battery manufacturing plants in Tennessee and Kentucky; $7.54 billion to a joint venture of Stellantis and Samsung for two EV lithium-ion battery plants in Indiana; and $6.57 billion to Rivian for a plant in Georgia to begin building smaller, less expensive EVs in 2028.
Again, making cars is hard and expensive, and pulling potential plants that are already in the process of being established seems like a bad precedent.
This isn’t the only action, however, as one Michigan Congressman is putting forward the idea of making car loan interest deductible on America-built cars, as USA Today reports:
Huizenga, R-Holland Township, proposed the so-called Made in America Motors Act on May 7, saying it would allow consumers to deduct up to $2,500 in interest paid on a motor vehicle loan in a given year as long as the vehicle was assembled in the U.S.
No deduction would be allowed for any vehicle loan which is already granted a deduction, but the new deduction would be available to taxpayers whether or not they itemize on their annual tax forms. If approved as proposed, the deduction — which could potentially help spur auto sales of U.S.-assembled vehicles — would be allowed for vehicles purchased in calendar year 2025 or later.
This is obviously a way bigger deal for people who buy expensive trucks and other vehicles, as to get to $2,500 annually, you’d need to buy an $80,000 car with $0 down for a 60-month payment at a 5% interest rate, for example. Some people do that, but most do not. It’s good that this is outside the standard deduction, otherwise, it wouldn’t help anyone but the richest taxpayers.
Ultimately, though, you’re not getting $2,500 back; you’re just taking that off your taxes. Estimates show that most people can only expect to save under $150 a year, unless you’re in the top 1%, then you might save $500 a year.
Inflation Was Mild, But Car Insurance Went Up

For all of my talk about a potential recession, my longstanding hope is that this doesn’t happen and that a little bit of flexibility on tariffs can keep our otherwise resiliant economy afloat. The walking back of yesterday’s Chinese tariffs was a good sign that the current administration isn’t entirely inflexible.
The latest Consumer Price Index Summary from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that inflation remains neither great nor terrible. It’s as Mild as Taco Bell hot sauce.
Here’s where inflation went up, according to the BLS:
The index for all items less food and energy rose 2.8 percent over the past 12 months. The shelter index increased 4.0 percent over the last year. Other indexes with notable increases over the last year include medical care (+2.7 percent), motor vehicle insurance (+6.4 percent), education (+3.8 percent), and recreation (+1.6 percent).
Oof. Car insurance sucks right now and I don’t see cars getting any cheaper to fix, which just makes this number harder to bring down. There’s a way to look at this and see companies reluctant to raise prices with a huge tax bill floating out there. For instance, could Jeff Bezos stall price increases at Amazon in order to get a tax credit for 400,000 Slate EVs? It’s not impossible.
Nissan Increases Layoffs To 20,000

There’s no use building a bunch of copies of unprofitable cars, so Nissan is doubling its planned layoffs, according to the company. This is part of the “Re:Nissan” plan to fix what’s wrong with Nissan, and the aggressiveness is the point. One of the biggest critiques of the previous Nissan CEO was that he was slow to recognize the scale of the problem.
The new guy, Ivan Espinosa, clearly recognized the scale of the problem and had this to say:
“In the face of challenging FY24 performance and rising variable costs, compounded by an uncertain environment, we must prioritize self-improvement with greater urgency and speed, aiming for profitability that relies less on volume. As new management, we are taking a prudent approach to reassess our targets and actively seek every possible opportunity to implement and ensure a robust recovery. Re:Nissan is an action-based recovery plan clearly outlines what we need to do now. All employees are committed to working together as a team to implement this plan, with the goal of returning to profitability by fiscal year 2026.”
Practically, this means closing plants and cutting about 20,000 jobs, which is more than the 11,000 the company was previously planning. Additionally, the number of plants will be reduced from 17 to 10 as the company aims to hit positive operating profitability by FY 2026.
What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD
This has come up before, but I think we’re all sleeping on Vanessa Carlton. She plays piano… on a truck! I love pianos. And trucks! Her parents have a sweet Taurus! Please enjoy “A Thousand Miles.”
The Big Question
Tell me all your feelings about stop/start. Do you love it? Do you hate it?
Top photo: Stellantis
The user experience for the auto start/stop is so annoying on a regular gas car it makes me wish all vehicles were at least a mild hybrid, as the hybrid start/stop is soooo much better refined.
My previous vehicle, an Acura RDX, had a start/stop system that was particularly annoying.
The traffic lights in my town are ridiculously long (3-4 minutes).
The Acura system stops the engine for 1 minute and then restarts and does so roughly.
It also does the annoying thing where it stops the engine when you park and then restarts when you shift to park. I always disabled it as soon as I started the car.
It saves nearly zero fuel on a car that gets rotten mileage to begin with. What useless POS tech!
My current vehicle, a Mercedes C300, is a 48 volt mild hybrid with a combined alternator/starter has start/stop technology that is seamless and nearly undetectable. It exhibits none of the annoyances of the Acura system. I almost never disable it.
My concern with stop/start is safety. If you are pulling out into heavy traffic, which is common, that extra half second of hesitation can make a big difference on your day.
Can you cite any statistics showing that start-stop technology has led to any accidents?
I’m -2 pairs of underpants because of delayed reaction Code Browns.
Not the type of “accident” I was referring to… but I wasn’t specific so I have only myself to blame.
He had the same experience as me, but my pants made it through. I also had the unfortunate experience of being in another country as well. Also a common happenstance.
None, I back that up with nothing but the short experience I had with a few rentals. I still support it for environmental reasons, and I’m sure one could get used to it, as I would. But, there are a whole group of people who don’t, and that is my point. That extra half second.
I’m not sure there are official statistics but I’ve heard from multiple people in public safety that people will say something to the effect “i don’t understand my car didn’t go” and they attribute it to start stop. There are also several class actions and some cute accidents.
The older ESS or similar systems had issues. My ’11 Odyssey has a VCM Muzzle, because that tech was not fully thought out and causes the piston rings to fail prematurely. The tech idea was good, and one that is used today (disable certain cylinders under certain conditions), but their technology application sucked and caused a lot of drivers early failures.
But newer tech works well.
People with older cars aka “ghetto hybrids” or “ghetto stop/start” is when an older car has problems and stalls whenever your foot isn’t on the gas. You have to manually restart the car in that case. In some cases, you have to have one foot on the gas and one foot on the brake pedal when you’re stopped so that you don’t stall.
There needs to be a special indicator to distinguish the auto stop/start from just plain stalling.
Ahhh… the days of carburetors, primitive emission controls and E10 gas.
even fuel injected cars do that shit too 😛
The start/stop in my X5 45e is seamless, even when I’m out of EV range. No issues there.
The start/stop on my (ex) 328i was intrusive and it turned it off permanently. A brief pause in Chicago traffic would cause a start/stop shudder that was annoying.
The start/stop in my 2024 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 doesn’t exist, and I don’t miss it.
The best thing about start stop is that both my BMW and Kia have an easily accessible button to permanently disable it.
The start/stop isn’t any sort of real problem in my F150. And given the epic level of suck traveling on I-90 in MA has become with the never ending stop and go traffic for miles, I really don’t mind any fuel savings I can get.
I don’t have a huge problem with Auto Start/Stop but that’s only because I coded my car to remember the last setting. If I had to turn that off every time I got in the car I’d definitely be annoyed; my normal drives normally have stops just barely long enough to have the engine shut down and not enough to be worthwhile.
I love ASS.
Unrelated, what’s Auto Start-Stop?
when the computer gropes the throttle LOL
“Hello Smithers! You’re quite good at turning me on.”
I have an EV and a hybrid so it’s a non-issue for me, but I had a rental Audi A4 in Orlando in the summer, and start/stop suuuuucked. Besides being really jarring even in something as “refined” as an Audi, it also turned off the AC compressor. So while I was sitting in the car at the interminably long Orlando red lights, I also wasn’t getting any cooling for the 4 grown men in the car.
It got to the point where I’d wiggle the steering wheel back and forth at every light so it wouldn’t shut off.
I think ASS can be fine, but there needs to be a toggle switch to turn it on or off and we shouldn’t have to re-choose every time the vehicle is started.
I like the Auto Start/Stop except for one thing…
I pull into my driveway and the engine turns off, I put the car in park, and it restarts. Even though I really want the engine off at this point
But at red lights, I hardly notice it
It’s nice not breathing exhaust sitting at a light. I never had a car with it. That said I’d sometimes shut off the car at a longer light or train. It was a manual which made it easy.
I think I would have a problem with autostart-stop if I didn’t drive a manual. The fact that when stopped and not in gear, the car is off is pretty nice, but if the car is in gear its back on makes it a fairly easy system to get use to and not be a problem in traffic. also, it is pretty funny when someone else drives my car and thinks they’ve stalled it when its in neutral.
edit: I also appreciate the car remembers my settings if I choose to turn off auto start stop. That would infuriate me to no end if it didn’t remember that, so I see why some people could hate it.
Stop Start is seamless and invisible on my Hybrid. A/C, power steering and power brakes all electric. It excels in creeping/stop go city traffic – the exact situation where regular stop start becomes annoying to me.
My favorite is the people who get aggravated when the engine turns off and immediately blip the throttle to start it back up again, thereby getting all of the negatives of added wear and tear but not saving any gas! (possibly increasing fuel consumption)
What car has an igloo function with adjustable tilt?
Some European car… it is a button to adjust the tilt of the headlights in increments. Yes, you can adjust the aim of your lights depending on your needs.
That is so much less fun than a tilted igloo.
It’s actually adjusting the angle of your jellyfish. Critical feature no doubt.
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The start/stop thing can be annoying, but you know what? There’s usually a button in the car to enable or disable it. How about let the people choose to use more or less fuel rather than making the decision for us?? Huh? How about that the party of personal responsibility?
Most times I get it on a rental I leave it on UNTIL I hit gridlock (looking at you Houston and Denver). Then the button gets pushed.
100%. I live in Denver and know the pain.
Pittsburgh – it has it’s own challeges with all the topography, bridges and tunnels but I’ll take it any day over the vast sprawl.
It would be great if one could turn it off once and never think about it again, but that’s not how it’s designed, and that’s the problem.
“Why The EPA Boss Wants To Kill Engine ‘Stop-Start’ Technology”
Because Republicans are morons.
My little KIA has start/stop. If the A/C is on fan setting 3 or higher, it will not kill the engine.
“Was at the ice cream store buying groceries the other day. Guy walks up to me big tear running down his cheek. He says ‘Sir why do I even need a button? Someone told me on Fox that the button was Biden’s idea?’
I told him that one my first day ALL THE BUTTONS WILL BE BANNED AND SENT TO THE JUNKYARD!!!! MAGA!
ENOUGH OF THIS LIBERAL LEFT WING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
Then I invited him to Mar Lago for dinner if he gave Don Jr. one million dollars for a reservation.
I don’t get the hate for Auto Start/Stop.
If it saves just 1mpg – that’s a free 15 miles in a 15 gallon tank of fuel. Who doesn’t like free?
As for the start up lag – that only matters if you’re first at the light. If you’re second or third back – it’s easy to start the engine running when the light turns green – You just have to pay attention.
For me – I left foot brake anyway. So I simply touch the accellerator before letting off the brake to get the motor running. It’s easy and smooth.
“You just have to pay attention.”
I think that’s the biggest issue. More shit to pay attention to. I just want to drive without having to play games with making the car ready to do what it’s already supposed to do.
“More shit to pay attention to.”
You already pay attention to what’s going on around you while you drive and are stopped at a light – like paying attention to what’s going on around you and watching for the green light – Right?
It’s not a difficult thing to do – unless you are one of those distracted drivers who are too busy scrolling Instagram, etc and need me to honk at them to wake them up after the light has changed?
It’s not a cold start, but it’s still a start. It can’t be good for the engine in the long run. If I had a car new enough to have this feature, I would find a way to disable it.
It’s like 15,000 mile oil changes. It may sound like lower maintenance costs when you’re shopping for a new car, but it’s going to cause problems at the other end of the car’s lifetime.
I delivered pizza for a few years. While using that car for my day job involving a lot of driving with about 7-10 stop/start cycles a day. That car still made 250k miles on the original starter motor. Hot starts don’t put much if any wear onto an engine.
“It can’t be good for the engine in the long run.”
There’s these things called “science” and “engineering”…