Home » Why The Government Doesn’t Want You To Buy Less Than 4 Gallons Of Gasoline

Why The Government Doesn’t Want You To Buy Less Than 4 Gallons Of Gasoline

Only4gal Top
ADVERTISEMENT

Do you own a lawnmower? A moped, or scooter, or motorcycle? A gas can you just like to keep topped off? A really huge lighter? A Citroën 2CV, which has a tiny 5.5-gallon gas tank? If so, then you have likely bought gasoline in quantities less than four gallons at a time. Did you know the government doesn’t want you to do that? In fact, you may have seen a sticker on a gas pump that says just that: there’s a minimum requirement to buy at least four gallons of gasoline or risk violating federal law. What’s going on here? Can this really be true? Well, it sort of is and it isn’t. Rather, it’s true, but only for one very specific context.

I suppose it’s worth mentioning that this has been a thing for well over a decade. I’ve only encountered it very recently, and in some informal asking around, I found that an awful lot of people weren’t aware of this four gallon minimum thing, so I figured it’s worth looking into. It’s kind of convoluted, so let’s see if we can explain what is actually going on here. It’s also worth noting that while this sounds like some draconian/kafkaesque bureaucratic nonsense, the whole idea of the minimum four gallon purchase rule was actually put in place to help protect everyday people and their gas-powered stuff.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

First, let’s look at one of these stickers, which you can clearly see in this Reddit post:

Gas station in Ohio, 4 gal minimum “law”
byu/Bored_Amalgamation inOhio

Okay, so what is going on here, exactly? Why the hell would the federal government care if you bought less than four gallons of gasoline? To understand that, we need to look into the specifics here. The “federal law” is referring to an EPA regulation, and those four gallons are only referring to fuel dispensed from gas pumps that dispense both E15 (gasoline with 15% ethanol mixed in) and E10 (10% ethanol gasoline).

ADVERTISEMENT

Ethanol has been used as an additive to gasoline for decades, as it is an octane booster, burns more cleanly, and is a renewable fuel, which can be made from crops like corn. It’s also less energy dense than gasoline, and higher concentrations of ethanol can cause corrosion and damage to fuel systems, especially in cars made before around 2001 or so. Ethanol-blended gasoline you may find at a gas station comes in two main forms, E10 and E15 mentioned above.

Since most gas stations do not feel like spending the considerable time and money to install entirely separate pumps for E10 and E15, they will usually use mixed-grade pumps that can dispense E10, E15, and other fuels like E85 FlexFuel. The EPA calls these “blender pumps,” but not in the sense that they could make, say, a smoothie, but because they, duh, blend fuels. The issue here is that equipment with small gasoline motors, like lawnmowers and mopeds and some motorcycles could be damaged by being filled with E15 fuel.

So here’s the problem: if a blender pump just dispensed a lot of E15 into a car, there’s still about a quart to a third of a gallon of E15 in the pump’s hose. That means if someone comes along and wants to buy just one gallon of E10 for their gas-powered roller skates or leaf blower, that one gallon will actually be 33% E15, because of the fuel in the hose, and that much E15 could damage a machine not made to run it.

Here’s how the EPA themselves describes the issue:

On February 7, 2013, EPA approved an alternate blender pump configuration, submitted by RFA, for general use by retail stations that wish to dispense E15 and E10 from a blender pump with a common hose and nozzle. Blender pumps, or multiple-grade dispensers, are fuel dispensers that dispense multiple gasoline-ethanol blended fuels (e.g. E10, E15, and E85) typically through a common hose and nozzle. When two different gasoline-ethanol blended fuels are dispensed from the same hose and nozzle, residual fuel from a prior fueling of E15 may be commingled with a subsequent fueling of E10, resulting in the inadvertent misfueling of vehicles not covered by the E15 partial waivers with fuels containing greater than 10 vol% ethanol.

To mitigate this, the four-gallon minimum rule was decided. That way, whatever fuel was left in the hose would be satisfactorily diluted by the greater volume of the actually chosen fuel. As the EPA explains:

ADVERTISEMENT

In an effort to address this potential misfueling issue, EPA approved an industry-submitted configuration that requires a minimum purchase of four gallons of fuel from blender pumps that dispense both E10 and E15 from the same hose and nozzle. Such an approach would prevent misfueling by diluting any residual E15 left in the hose from the previous sale of E15. However, groups representing motorcycle owners and lawn mower manufacturers objected to this configuration because their products have gas tanks that are normally two gallons or smaller. In response to these concerns, RFA developed and proposed a third configuration for EPA approval that retail stations may use as an alternative to the currently approved configurations.

At the end of that quote, you see the EPA referring to a “third configuration” to appease “motorcycle owners and lawn mower manufacturers” which is that gas stations must also have a pump that does not dispense fuels with more than 10% ethanol, and must have signage, described here:

“These retail stations must also prominently affix labels to their blender pumps which say “Passenger Vehicles Only. Use in Other Vehicles, Engines and Equipment May Violate Federal Law.” Passenger vehicles in this context do not include nonroad vehicles, engines, and equipment (e.g. marine engines, motorcycles, ATVs, lawnmowers, etc.). Retails stations must also post additional signage informing consumers of the availability and location of the dedicated E10 (or lower) fuel pump.”

Illegalcan

I feel like the EPA could have handled this better if the sign on the blended E15 pumps said something like “Passenger Vehicles Only. Using less than 4 gallons in Other Vehicles, Engines and Equipment May Cause Damage” instead of leaping right to that “May Violate Federal Law” business, which just makes everything more confusing and causes articles like this one to be written.

Really, all of this is just to protect people from screwing up their lawnmowers, but of course it sounds far worse than that. And, back in 2012 when this mandate arrived, politicians wasted no time in making it seem like a colossal violation of the rights of Americans to have full tanks of gas. This is a quote from Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R) from Wisconsin:

The latest mandate handed down from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is so ridiculous, even I was shocked. The EPA has now mandated how much gasoline you must buy at certain gas stations. Say hello to the Obama Administration’s four gallon minimum.

Yeah, thanks a lot, Obama.

ADVERTISEMENT

[Ed Note: The bigger question is how concerning a bit of E15 is mixed in with E10. It’s a 5% delta in ethanol concentration; if done only a few times, how harmful can this really be? -DT].

Screenshot 2025 10 15 At 10.26.28 am

Of course, that statement isn’t remotely true. There’s never been a mandate that everyone has to buy at least four gallons of gas. The mandate is that for blended pumps that can dispense both E10 and E15, you should buy at least four gallons to ensure that you are getting the amount of ethanol that you actually want, so you don’t trash your stuff. You can buy gas by the ounce if you want from other, non blender pumps as much as you want. This is one of those cases where the government is actually trying to be helpful, but a strange lack of understanding how human beings seem to understand things has meant that this law — again, designed to help you not destroy your lawnmower — comes across as an obtuse bit of needless government overreach.

It’s not. It’s actually a decent idea. Pay attention to it, and you won’t kill your mower.

Share on facebook
Facebook
Share on whatsapp
WhatsApp
Share on twitter
Twitter
Share on linkedin
LinkedIn
Share on reddit
Reddit
Subscribe
Notify of
135 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Hillbilly Ocean
Member
Hillbilly Ocean
1 month ago

Perhaps we should point out to Senselessbrenner that the Republicans continue to subsidize ethanol fuel. If the stuff had to stand on its own, it wouldn’t make it.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

This is all becasue the radical left wants to makes sure everybody has enough fuel for firebombs when the insurrection begins.

Dodsworth
Member
Dodsworth
1 month ago

A friend wants to know what time the meeting starts.

TheStigsUglyCousin
TheStigsUglyCousin
1 month ago

Corn is food not fuel. If Iowa did not have one of the earliest primaries, there would be no Ethanol requirement. I live in SoFlo and thankfully, since the boating & marine industry are so strong, we have ethanol free fuel almost everywhere (my small engines are very happy). Also, speaking as a Floridan, the Sugar subsidy should die as well since it only benefits the Mott Family (US Sugar) and the effing Fanjul Brothers (Florida Crystals) and they are both fairly evil entities. As a SoFlo resident east of the sugar fields, harvest time (aka “Burn Season”) is not pleasant if there is any wind from the west. I think the US is the only country that still uses burn off to harvest cane.

Last edited 1 month ago by TheStigsUglyCousin
Bendanzig
Member
Bendanzig
1 month ago

The other beneficiary of the sugar subsidy (and tariff) is Archer Daniels Midland. There would be no large market for corn syrup in the USA if imported cane and beet sugar were cheaper, which they were before they instituted those price supports. The only reason Coca Cola is made with sugar everywhere outside of the USA is that is cheaper there, and HFCS is the cheapest sweetener in the USA.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

But it keeps young men and rural voters out of school and working in the fields where they belong while the trad wives get to breed more of them.

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago

Can confirm on the awful stench of burning cane fields… so foreign workers will come in and cut cane. Something about snakes they don’t like.

Bitchin’Camaro
Bitchin’Camaro
1 month ago
Reply to  VS 57

Wonder what’s going to happen this year with so many fewer foreign workers?

Hugh Crawford
Member
Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  VS 57

Suger beets are kind of stinky. We used to grow them.

I am still surprised that the slasher/ horror movie makers haven’t discovered sugar beet knives. “Sugar Beet Massacre” or something.

VS 57
VS 57
1 month ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

Sugar beet processing also results in a unpleasant odor, but leaves no brown haze in the sky.

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
1 month ago

You have options? E15 was standard the whole time I had a svx which warned using more that e10 will harm the car.

Redapple
Redapple
1 month ago

Ethanol is evil garbage. 10% ethanol gives me 8% less MPG in my car. I ve checked with ~10 tanks of E-0 vs 10 tanks of E – 10. What about all the energy wasted growing the corn. Transport of the corn. The Brewing, mixing and moving it to the gas station. I D THINK A WELLS TO WHEELS STUDY WOULD SHOW WE ARE WASTING OIL. A NEGATIVE PAYACK.

Ecsta C3PO
Ecsta C3PO
1 month ago
Reply to  Redapple

But think of the farmers!

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Redapple

Those studies have shown corn based ethanol having been energy positive for over twenty years. The most optimistic ones claim 3-4x more energy is contained in the ethanol than was required to produce (and transport it):

“A new analysis by the Renewable Fuels Association found corn ethanol now provides nearly three times the energy used to produce it.

The average energy balance ratio for corn ethanol in 2021 is estimated to be 2.8 to 3, compared to the 2.1 to 2.3 found in the 2016 U.S. Department of Agriculture report. The ratio for the top-performing quartile of biorefineries is 3.7 to 4, according to the RFA analysis.

The energy balance ratio is a measure of how much energy a particular fuel source provides to the user compared to the amount of energy needed to produce and distribute the fuel”

https://www.agrinews-pubs.com/business/2022/05/09/study-finds-improved-ethanol-energy-balance/.

(I imagine the energy to transport corn and ethanol from field to wheel is roughly the same, maybe less than the energy needed to transport crude and gasoline from well to wheel).

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

So could we reference a study funded by anyone but the people growing the corn and making the ethanol? It’s like trusting what Trump says about Trump.

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Joey21

Will Argonne do?:

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/program/ethanol_brochure_color.pdf

Mind you this brochure is old and the trend has been getting better with time.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Member
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago

If you go to any of the Lassus stations in Indiana and Ohio, they have separate pump handles for the E-15 and E-85. This is how all stations should handle those fuels if they wish to dispense them.

Will Packer
Will Packer
1 month ago

They better have separate pump handles! E85 and E15 are very different formulations!

Grey alien in a beige sedan
Member
Grey alien in a beige sedan
1 month ago
Reply to  Will Packer

Should have worded it better.. E-85 and E-15 have separate handles from the E-10 grades.

M SV
M SV
1 month ago

The thing about e15 that always confuses me is you can buy it at alot of newer stations for cheaper as 88 octane with a dedicated hose. But in some more populated areas in the summer you will see up to 15% octane with the 2001 warning and no 88 /e15 or price reduction. I don’t think they have the 4 gal thing either. I’ve seen the 4 gallon warning before and just thought it was a joke.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
1 month ago

I figured this was a regulation written after The Gang Solves the Gas Crisis.

Birk
Member
Birk
1 month ago

We just a couple ool men in from Dallas, and well, we’re itchin like a hound to give you somethin you want.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
1 month ago

Repeal the ethanol mandate. Bring back E0.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago
Reply to  Dogisbadob

Here in northern Maryland we have ethanol free gas available. I’ve also seen it in PA. Of course it costs more and the grades are limited.

Nauthiz
Nauthiz
1 month ago

I don’t know how much it varies state to state, but there’s a fair amount of stations in my are that sell “recreational fuel” which is ethanol free.

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Nauthiz

Websites like Gas Buddy will tell you where to find E0.

The Bishop's Brother
Member
The Bishop's Brother
1 month ago

Since I generally fill my 2CV from cans of E0 94-octane (that I can only get from a place that is a pain to get to without driving on an interstate.), I am glad the E0 pump is not a hose-share with other blends.
If I get through this winter driving the 2CV more regularly, I may just give up on E0 and get high-octane E10 or 15 in town.
But I had no idea of this.

Spikersaurusrex
Member
Spikersaurusrex
1 month ago

I’d be careful about that. E 10 destroyed the fuel system in my snow blower after just one season of sitting. I’ve also had trouble with the carb on my lawn mower. I think it’s because of the humid climate because I never had trouble in Colorado where it’s really dry.

Last edited 1 month ago by Spikersaurusrex
Boulevard_Yachtsman
Member
Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 month ago

I seem to remember The Old Man pissing and moaning about this. He’s always hated ethanol in all its forms because to him the “renewable” label puts it on the “goddamn environmentalist” side of the equation. When I point out that John Deere pays his pension, and the farmers who have received an awful lot of government money by way of ethanol-fuel mandates paid for those tractors, he nods thoughtfully and contemplates the intricacies of why exactly he’s doing so well financially these days.

Just kidding, the subject immediately changes to what gas cost back in ’83 and how people should still be able to live on minimum wage without any assistance.

Jay Vette
Member
Jay Vette
1 month ago

I agree wholeheartedly that people should be able to live on minimum wage with no assistance. I’m sure then, that he would agree with raising the minimum wage to $30/hour

Boulevard_Yachtsman
Member
Boulevard_Yachtsman
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Vette

The Old Man would most assuredly not agree with that decadent number. His perspective is that ten bucks an hour is plenty to start out on. Afterall – color TVs cost less than they did in the 70’s, dollar-store baloney sandwiches exist, and if you wait until the end of the season sales, a cheap lawnmower still isn’t much more than $100.

Last edited 1 month ago by Boulevard_Yachtsman
Jay Vette
Member
Jay Vette
1 month ago

Oh of course, how silly of me. TVs, baloney sandwiches, and lawnmowers are the only three things anyone needs in order to live a decent life

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Vette

The perspective for what make a “decent” life varies greatly. A lot of folks around the world (including many here in the good ol’ USA) still consider ANY kind of indoor plumbing and electricity “the good life”.

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I have grown to appreciate indoor plumbing and electricity over the years.

Last edited 1 month ago by Joey21
Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Jay Vette

At which point in my town the landlords would double the rent, and the shops wouldraise their prices to boot.

Oh wait, that is what is happening already b/c we were a LCOL area and then all the out of state folks, and the folks fleeing the big metro property prices started moving in – and everything got expensive. Wages haven’t kept up though.

Mrbrown89
Member
Mrbrown89
1 month ago

When I get gas for my 2.5 gallon containter, I usually fill up my car first and dont finish the transaction, I have the containter open, ready to be filled up. I dont like to store huge amounts at home because of the ethanol content.

When I get ethanol free gas for my generator, its usually a dedicated hose.

Angry Bob
Member
Angry Bob
1 month ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

E0 pumps I know of are situated in such a way that you can’t fill a car from them. Only cans. It’s also like three times more expensive than E10.

WR250R
WR250R
1 month ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

I do something similar when at a station that share one hose with multiple options. I’ll put two gallons or so of the ethanol-free in the pickup then start filling the cans.

Peter d
Member
Peter d
1 month ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

This, 100 times this. If you are filling up a can and don’t want the low grade stuff you need to pump a couple of gallons into your car first. I use the Shell “V-power nitro+” 93 octane in my small engines (down to a couple of snowblowers and one backpack blower I use once a year, otherwise I have converted to batteries!) because it seems to have better additives that help my equipment run well even when left for long periods of time (but who really knows, all I know is that I have yet to have any issues over the last 20 years…).

The you-tuber “Chickanic” who has a great feed around small engine power equipment, recently did a clip about customers who thought they were buying the low/no-ethanol fuel for their small engines, but enough E85 was left in the hose that the fuel they put in their equipment had a lot of unexpected ethanol in them.

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Mrbrown89

Why not change to a tri fuel carb so you can run the generator on propane and natural gas as well?

https://www.vpowerequipment.com/three-fuel-carburetor-allows-generators-to-run-on-gas-lp-gas-or-natural-gas-5500-watt-threw-8750-watt/

Those have no shelf life and will never gum up a fuel system.

Paul B
Member
Paul B
1 month ago

Maybe newer small engines should have been made with seals that can resist E15?

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul B

My sister, living in Omaha, has a snowblower that understandably gets used only in the winter. One year she failed to use all the fuel in the tank. When it failed to start the next winter, I had to take a look. The ethanol laced fuel had clogged the main jet and the float needle and seat. I wound up using welding tip cleaners to scrape the stalagtites from the orifices to get it to run. Fortunately, living where she does, she can by ethanol free gas, which alleviates the issue.

Last edited 1 month ago by Hondaimpbmw 12
Kurt Hahn
Kurt Hahn
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

I once had to do same (scrape the solid ethanol residue off a carburetor), and once I was done, a friend told me that this stuff dissolves easily in alcohol…

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Kurt Hahn

I never thought of that. I do know that it does not respond to what is sold as carburetor cleaner. (Grrr)

Last edited 1 month ago by Hondaimpbmw 12
Kurt Hahn
Kurt Hahn
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

Same here, I even had to get a new floater because I couldn’t get the old one completely clean. Once I had it working again someone told me about the alcohol “hack”….

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

I use Stabil year round any time I fill a gas can

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago

Eventhat has it’s limits. Bought a motorcycle from a friend. It had Stabilin the tank and carbs. Didn’t ride it for months, it was a gummed up mess. Don’t know if it was too much preservative or what. I rode it before the Stabil. It ran good. I got it running and sold it to buy a 60 gal air compressor.

Xt6wagon
Xt6wagon
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul B

E15 washes away raw aluminum. Most cars are coated if the injectors can hit it. Why my svx has a warning about e15.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Xt6wagon

The thing is, efi just rings up the engine room for more fuel to make up for the weak sauce ethanol diluted gasoline. Still burning the same numbers of hydrocarbons to satisfy the O2 sensors, just paying more $ for more fuel.

Adulterating the gasoline will result in fewer hydrocarbons when being used in a carbureted engine, but also results in a leaner mixture for your lawnmower, or chainsaw or older motorcycle.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Member
Ignatius J. Reilly
1 month ago

Also, the government isn’t trying to force anyone to buy a certain amount of gas. They are just requiring labeling that is fairly accurate. It is the businesses that selected systems that can’t accurately dispense amounts under a certain volume.

If you want to complain about policy, complain about the one that matters. Ethanol is a scourge and really only exists to funnel money into rural communities while hurting the environment.

JJ
Member
JJ
1 month ago

Yeah, but it is a real self-own they should have seen coming. Given all the steps in instituting a new rule, you’d think someone somewhere would have said “Hey, I think these stickers might be confusing and lead to grandstanding from disingenuous politicians.” If you don’t provide a rationale, people will connect the dots whichever way they want (including “the govt wants us to buy 4 gallons just to piss us off”).

Ignatius J. Reilly
Member
Ignatius J. Reilly
1 month ago
Reply to  JJ

There is no way to dumb down things to the level required for the average American to make an informed decision.

JJ
Member
JJ
1 month ago

I realize that and it’s sad. Still though, the govt could at least give the population a chance to understand.

Bitchin’Camaro
Bitchin’Camaro
1 month ago

I think they’re not implying that you, the purchaser, are violating federal law, but the gas station itself because they’d be selling you a gallon of fuel that says it’s E10, but it’s actually closer to E15 and probably outside the mandated range if it’s say, 13% ethanol and that’s a whopping 30% variation, even if it’s ‘only’ 3%.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago

Unfortunately, most of the money is funneled to Archer-Daniels Midland. The farmer gets only a
modest fraction of the money ethanol costs the motorists.

Ignatius J. Reilly
Member
Ignatius J. Reilly
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

The whole enterprise is a complete waste.

Martin Dollinger
Martin Dollinger
1 month ago

Different fuel pouring out of a single nozzle?
The German mind cannot comprehend.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
1 month ago

It’s all so phallic. A bit like the idea that if there was a god, they would have never put a waste site so close to a recreation zone.

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
1 month ago

I understand a not-so-small portion of the population claims those same waste sites as rec zones.

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Some people do fish in polluted rivers…

Tekamul
Member
Tekamul
1 month ago

The real crime here is blender pumps. I don’t really want the unknown leftovers from the last pumper. I like my hoses dedicated.

Johnathon Gustin
Editor
Johnathon Gustin
1 month ago
Reply to  Tekamul
Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
1 month ago
Reply to  Tekamul

In the UK our pumps often have 4 hoses/nozzles for E5, E10 and a couple of types of diesel.

We buy fuel in litres, but measure consumption in miles per gallon (but not your gallons). What a garbage country we are.

Although we do pay for our fuel after we’ve pumped it, because that’s when you know how much it took to fill it up. Having to pay before pumping was incredibly confusing when I was working in the US.

Max Headbolts
Member
Max Headbolts
1 month ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

With the advent of pay at the pump credit/debit card readers this isn’t really an issue anymore like it was when I paid in cash. My first car had like a 12 gallon tank, and I could NEVER fit $10 worth of gas in it, it was so frustrating to walk back into the station for my extra 63 cents or whatever.

It got to the point where I just started buying $8 worth of gas. I haven’t paid cash for gas in like 20 years at this point.

Red865
Member
Red865
1 month ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Here in the US, we’re all assumed to be criminals now and are going to pump and flee.

Was in UK recently, it felt like stepping back in time having to go inside to pay. Probably have license plate readers if UKs ‘forget to pay’.

Bob Boxbody
Member
Bob Boxbody
1 month ago
Reply to  Tekamul

That’s the kind of thinking that inspired me to buy my own coffee grinder, rather than using the in-store grinder.

Tekamul
Member
Tekamul
1 month ago
Reply to  Bob Boxbody

One cup that’s 50-50 with the blueberry crap will drive you to the small appliance aisle.

Col Lingus
Col Lingus
1 month ago

Well crap.
I prefer to just pay more money for the high grade stuff and just drop a handful of frozen corn into the tank or portable gas can at home later.

Last edited 1 month ago by Col Lingus
Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
1 month ago
Reply to  Col Lingus

The Libyans have identified your location, Emmett.

Baker Stuzzen
Member
Baker Stuzzen
1 month ago

But Simon says I only have a 3 gallon jug and a 5 gallon jug!

Peter Nelson
Peter Nelson
1 month ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Excellent reference

Shop-Teacher
Member
Shop-Teacher
1 month ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

I watched that part over and over again, until I finally understood how to get exactly 4 gallons into the 5 gallon jug.

B3n
Member
B3n
1 month ago

A lot of gas pumps also have just one hose but 3 different octane gases.
87-89-91 for example.
So when I fill up my bike’s small tank with 1-2 gallons of 91 I am most likely really filling it up with some mix of 87 and 91.
Since most people use 87.
Not to mention ethanol.
It’d be much nicer if ethanol-free gas was more prevalent, but I have to drive 60 miles round-trip to get it. Unless I buy one of those $25-a-gallon lawnmower gas jugs.

JJ
Member
JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  B3n

I just dispense 1/2 gallon into the windshield cleaning station. Are you not supposed to do that?

Jdoubledub
Member
Jdoubledub
1 month ago

I need to see this gasoline fueled lighter Torch is using to smoke his muse.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

Actually, old-timey blowtorchs used gasoline…
One time a few years ago I bought a cool old blowtorch in a thrift shop and thought its heft was due to its heavy metal body; it wasn’t until I got home and started cleaning it up that I realized it was still full of gasoline. When I emptied it out into a jug it was fascinating to see the weird coloration of the ancient gasoline but the stink wasn’t fun at all. Based on the evidence of the blowtorch I had good reason to believe it was actually leaded gasoline. Since I only had diesels in my running fleet and the only gasoline-powered vehicles I had access to were less than a decade old where even trace amounts of lead would’ve wrought havoc with the catalytic converters I just put the old gas in a giant container of used motor oil prior to recycling.

Jdoubledub
Member
Jdoubledub
1 month ago

I was just looking at one of those old timey torches at a local salvage place yesterday and wondering what fuel they used. Maybe I should go pick it up.

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago

I poured out a gallon of 1980s gasoline on my fire pit. The stuff wouldn’t hardly burn anymore. It was a bit like trying to light motor oil.

Nic Periton
Member
Nic Periton
1 month ago

Coal, it is the answer, not only does it propel ones vehicle, shifting five tons of the stuff does wonders to reduce the aging demographic curve, never has so much scotch been consumed by so few 70 + folk, and pills, so many pills. But the machines live to work another day.

Kevin Rhodes
Member
Kevin Rhodes
1 month ago

I guess the Federal Gas Police will be hanging out at these gas stations now to bust people (oh wait, they are probably too busy rounding up brown people). I’d also love to know exactly which equipment is fine on 10% ethanol, but 12% is instant certain death.

I have never seen this, but where I am it’s 10% corn crap only, or a separate pump for the unadulterated stuff. Or not, in the case of Maine, where the only places that can legally pump pure gasoline sans corn juice are marinas.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Or, you can go to the local FBO at the airport and buy non ethanol gas with a dose of tetra ethylene lead.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
1 month ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

Avgas! Nothing quite like the smell of 100-octane, leaded aviaaAaaiuugh – (collapses)

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago
Reply to  Zeppelopod

I know someone that used to do that for their 60s muscle car. What a hassle. Prob helps explain why they drove it 1500 miles in 25 years of ownership.

Zeppelopod
Zeppelopod
1 month ago
Reply to  Joey21

Unless it was tuned to hell and back, 100 octane is wild overkill. Aircraft engine design is inherently conservative because the consequences of mechanical failure (or even mechanical hiccups like premature detonation in the cylinders) are rather more severe than a land vehicle faces.

Or, as the pilots I know put it: “Takeoff is optional, but landing is mandatory.”

Red865
Member
Red865
1 month ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I willing to bet this is the result of a frivolous lawsuit.
Remember, all disclaimers/warnings are the result of something that happened.

Library of Context
Member
Library of Context
1 month ago

If blender pumps can mix between E10 and E15, can they be hacked to dispense pure gasoline without ethanol or is it just selecting between two different underground tanks?

TurboCruiser
TurboCruiser
1 month ago

asking the real questions

NebraskaStig
Member
NebraskaStig
1 month ago

I like to play a little game while refueling: how many tanks does this station have? Typically stations have 3 or 4 (I drive diesel currently so that’s always 1), but some have only two and in rural areas there are the rare 1 tank/2 pump stations. There is an odd 2 tank station near me that has 1 grade of gas and diesel on tap.

Dcpdx
Dcpdx
1 month ago

They do blend from a tank of fuel+a tank of ethanol. This is why they can’t just pump the leftover fuel back – there is no tank with that fuel mix in it.

Brockstar
Member
Brockstar
1 month ago

The good ole Huff-Tastic! Our nations premiere way to dispense small quantities of gasoline.

Superfluous
Superfluous
1 month ago

Only have a one gallon can? Not a problem, just pump the other 3 gallons into the gas station garbage can. Problem solved #lifehacks

Last edited 1 month ago by Superfluous
Reasonable Pushrod
Reasonable Pushrod
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

They don’t want you to know this hack.

Doughnaut
Member
Doughnaut
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Why waste? Use that 3 gallons for a gasoline fight.

Palmetto Ranger
Palmetto Ranger
1 month ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

That is still wasteful. Top off your fluids with the excess gas first. Spare a little to top up the windshield fluid container at the pump. THEN feel free to play with whatever is left over.

Last edited 1 month ago by Palmetto Ranger
Superfluous
Superfluous
1 month ago

true, E15 meets or exceeds OEM requirements for transmission, brake, and power steering fluids

Palmetto Ranger
Palmetto Ranger
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

I think the effects in the radiator will be sudden enough that you will not have to worry about the brakes, transmission, or steering.

Joey21
Joey21
1 month ago

Well that’s what goes in the cap on the engine – right? And a bit more in the jug under the hood with the blue cap? (Thinking of the YouTube video that shows an elderly lady washing her car at the pumps with gasoline from the pump…)

Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
Bjorn A. Payne Diaz
1 month ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

This is precisely what came to mind! haha. Such a silly scene.

JJ
Member
JJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Doughnaut

fantastic reference.

TK-421
TK-421
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Just bring a few Hefty garbage bags. Duh.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Or have a fun gas fight à la Zoolander:
https://media1.tenor.com/m/Qj1wnVeuLjwAAAAC/gas-zoolander.gif

I don't hate manual transmissions
Member
I don't hate manual transmissions
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Just remember to pump the three gallons into the garbage can first – that way you’re getting the pure stuff and the potentially improperly proportioned junk is properly disposed of. Otherwise you’re throwing away the good stuff and keeping the stuff that could (maybe?) damage your mower.

Tekamul
Member
Tekamul
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Thanks for the tip, Farva. Does that come with a free hot dog?

Ignatius J. Reilly
Member
Ignatius J. Reilly
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Do you drive a P45?

My Goat Ate My Homework
Member
My Goat Ate My Homework
1 month ago
Reply to  Superfluous

Just fill up a garbage can in your van then resell it. That always works.

135
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x