“What Cars do you love that your friends just don’t get?” This was the question The Bishop posed on Friday, and I can’t think of a more relatable question for an Autopian than that. Speaking for myself, “You like those?” is a common refrain from my non-car-people friends and family when they catch me pausing to admire (or even snapping pics of) what to them are random worthless hatchbacks and utterly uninteresting grandparent conveyances. Likewise, they are dismayed when I’m much less moved by whatever rich guy’s toy the valet has decided was fit to park in front of the fancy steakhouse. Or is that parking spot based on presenting a big tip up front? Is it the restaurant owner’s car? I’ll Google it.
And now, in no particular order and chosen by my whim, here are a few of your choice replies for the cars your friends just don’t get (and will likely require a three-figure tip to get parked anywhere near the front of the steak place).
LTDScott
See screen name. I’ve been into the midsize Fox-platform Ford LTDs since the ’90s.
The 2nd car I ever bought while I was in high school was an ’85 LTD, then I learned there was a rare high-performance variant of it, then I found one scouring the paper Autotrader magazine and only identifying it by the presence of black trim shown in a tiny black and white photo. I’ve owned six since then.
For a long time these were just unloved frumpy used cars and you had to be a weirdo like me to appreciate them. Nowadays that has changed, as the rising tide of Fox Body Mustang prices and interest has lifted all ships, and now the “odd Foxes” are getting a lot of attention and love.
In general, if I had Jay Leno money, I’d have a warehouse full of “performance” variants of otherwise boring ’70s-’90s cars, even though most were just lipstick on a pig.
I have parked an LTD in the topshot just for you, Scott (apologies if “LTDScott” is actually on your driver’s license). And if I may, an LTD in that trim might be the most invisible car I’ve evet seen. I love that.

Joe the Drummer
I’m basically right with you on the car you named – generally speaking, COLONNADE ALL THE THINGS.
I think mine would have to be a variant from two years earlier, which I have named here before, because I would see a guy on the streets when I lived in Portland who had one that gave me feelings in places: 1973 Buick Century Gran Sport. 455, 4-speed, and loaded. A true gentleman’s muscle car. It was basically exactly this car.
No A-body had better fenders. Such swoop. Wonderful. But to the normies, “Gross, the 1970s.” Forget ’em.
TheJWT
Toyota Verossa because it’s ugly, Lincoln Continental Mark V because it’s big, anything with a 1G-GE because they sound like an F1 car while making 150hp, and a Skyline Japan (the one after the Kenmeri and before the R30, that nobody outside of Japan seems to care about), because I think they’re neat.

I had no idea these were a thing. I wouldn’t say it’s good-looking, but man, I can’t stop looking at it.

Jack Trade
Ford EXP. Esp the froggy first gen.
I know they’re objectively bad cars, but there’s something so compelling about Ford greenlighting a small fwd everyday sport coupe…that’s actually a freakin’ two seater.
The thought process had to be the product of some sort of auto enthusiasm warped into something to (improbably) get by the accountants.
Don’t get me started on the EXP. I’ve had a thing for the “froggy first gen” since the commercials started popping up when I was in junior high. I’ll take mine on those four-hole phone-dial wheels, please.

Elhigh
I’m here for late-70s – early 80s AMCs, but not the Renault models. Things that were re-engineered and heavily massaged Hornets and Concordes make me happy. And the Javelin and Matador Coupe, which was startlingly attractive in every way that the stablemate second-gen Matador sedans and wagons were double-plus fugly. It’s hard to believe they’re even related. I’ve never owned one, but I’ve always been uninvolved bystander-proud of what a scrappy little company with no budget was able to accomplish.

I’m too money-constrained to try it, but one of my fantasy garage stalwarts has always been a last-generation AMC Jeep Wagoneer. I would repower it with a 4.0 HO from a post-2000 Wrangler or similar for more up-to-date engine controls.
I like Chevettes and Citations. I like the Chevette kind of the same way you like a three-legged dog with heart problems, running around gamely with his four-legged friends. He’s struggling to keep up and they’re probably not slowing down for him, but he wobbles along to the best of his ability. He’s charming and pitiable, just like a Chevette. It might be kinder to put him down, but you don’t.
I like the Citation because it’s one of the cars I learned to drive in. Nobody else has anything good to say about them, but what the hell. You never forget your first.

Obligatory X-11 shout-out.

Y2Keith
1970’s American land-yachts, especially in 2-door form. Peak Bro-ham era. They’re just so unapologetically baroque, to the point of being a parody of themselves. They drive like something that hails from the swamps of Sqornshellous Zeta as they flollop, vollue, and sometimes willomie down the road. They’re diametrically opposed to anything an enthusiast should be enthused about. But they’re terrific Interstate cruisers. And they were what was new and shiny when I was just a wee lad, and well-preserved examples are getting harder and harder to find, and dammit, I miss the stupid things.
Land-yacht respect and even love are the mark of a True Autopian. There is no purer expression of being “pro-car.”
Thank you for all your wonderful replies! In case you missed it, today’s Ask is already up.






I have a grudging respect for the early 2000s GM G body cars with the 3800 V6 like our 2003 LeSabre. Apart from the interior plastic they are very durable and reliable and not too bad to work on. The ride is soft but not floaty and the 3800 can get out of its own way.
Meant to comment to the question yesterday, but better late than never, I guess. First, Rangers (hence the name) and Taurii, particularly the 1st and 2nd gen. Rangers are enjoying a moment of desirability, as are most truly compact pickups from years past. But the Taurus, particularly by non-enthusiasts, is viewed as a boring old family sedan that looks like a jellybean. But man I love them.
“Lincoln Continental Mark V because it’s big”
Hell yeah!
“1970’s American land-yachts”
Hell yeah!
Hey, a shoutout! Top o’ the world, Ma!
Although: Sorry, Elhigh, but the 1970s AMC Matador coupe is on the extremely short list of cars that I will poop all over anytime they are admired, because I firmly believe it is the single ugliest automobile ever produced in the United States – even more so when compared to the absolutely stunning Javelin that it replaced. But hey, it’s a free country. That just means that you won’t have to worry about me trying to outbid you for the one you find on Bring A Trailer.
TheJWT, my kid has a JDM 04 Verossa VR25 1JZ that’s been heavily modded (inter cooled twin turbos, blah, blah, blah). Nice car that looks a lot like some deep sea fish. Sweet leather interior, 5spd, black on black.
He has a bunch of other JDM cars in his collection.
Jealous!
A day late and a dollar short but I just have to give the answer to @jack Trade’s comment on the Ford EXP. A car that I also have an irrational fondness for.
“The thought process had to be the product of some sort of auto enthusiasm warped into something to (improbably) get by the accountants.”
Cocaine.
In the 70s and 80s, corporate world, the answer to almost anything improbable or inexplicable is almost always cocaine.
(Edit: I’m only half-joking…)
See also, as per my username: Why I refer to “power” (extended depth) toms as “my least favorite cocaine hangover from the 80s.” More isn’t always better, kids.
I love old Japanese cars from the 70s and 80s. Think Honda Accords, Datsun B210s, Toyota Celicas. But as much as I have fond memories of them, they are a pain to drive by modern standards. Power steering? NOPE. Decent AC? Hahahahahaha. Parts availability? Nonexistent. I learned my lesson with my 85 Celica — great to look at just don’t want to own one again.
It’s odd you would say that, since my 1983 Celica GT notchback is probably my single favorite car I’ve ever owned. I always found the air conditioning perfectly sufficient, even in Alabama, at least until it went out and I couldn’t afford to have it fixed.
I’m in Canada, and it was so hard to find parts here. I think I would have had an easier time if I’d been in the US. The AC in my car really needed an upgrade. It blew cold but with not a lot of power so to speak.
I think the rose colored glasses of nostalgia really comes into play here. My first car was a 72 Vega (manual). Rarely needed gas, but always needed more oil. There was an embarrassing blue cloud that followed me around. It was a hand me down from my older sister when my dad bought her a new car (wow that hurt at the time). I drove it for a year and couldn’t wait to get rid of it. Looking back now, it is one of the cars I have owned over the years I would love to have again. Then I think better of it.
i had a citation. of the 14 cars i have owned, it was but good measure the worst. hondas, toyotas, subarus followed. Cause >>>Effect !!!
LTD should extend to the Fairmont. The LTD got the V8 most of the time, but the Fairmont is still a Fox Body.
I do want a hot, Metallic-lime, 3M Wood applique-sided wagon with all the suspension mods and a hot 5.0:
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Well yeah, I own two Fairmonts too.
When I lived in Japan I almost bought a Verossa in that same purple (the best color), but lowered on BBS wheels. It was probably for the best that I didn’t though, since a) I left the following year and couldn’t have imported it to the US at that point, and b) the engine had a knock.
One day I’ll have one with a big turbo. In fact, the only thing with a turbo I want is one of those.
I didn’t answer but a couple very boring cars I inexplicably love: Plymouth Acclaim, preferably post-facelift, 2.5, column shift. I loved my 10′ Focus SES sedan, and learned a lot of simple wrenching on it. If I ever had space, I wouldn’t mind a manual coupe, also in SES trim but that’s a big ask since most were SE’s, but at least they still get the revised, better looking fascia.
I have a complete soft spot for the Focus coupe. I considered one, but ended up going sedan b/c it was to be the practical car to my Mustang’s impracticality. I enjoy the unloved, so now rare, nature of the coupe, esp in SES form with the gray instead of silver bits and the oddball roof spoiler.
I so miss my humble, bulletproof 2013 five-door with the 5-speed Focus SE hatch. Absolutely nothing flashy, but it was the perfect commuter for my horrid commute. 160hp was plenty. Decent infotainment system, tasteful alloys, just what a car needs to be.
80K miles in three years, no trouble, but circumstances meant it had to go.
I’ll still see one on the road in blue like mine, figure it’s got the stick because presumably all the Powershift models got crushed, and sigh a little.
I am so with you brother. My sedan was silver, and I sprayed the 17′ SES wheels (that always peeled clearcoat) graphite. It looked good. I always said on that car silver SES trim was the “best looking version of an ugly car” because of the front bumper fascia. The SEL wasn’t mechanically different, but the chrome door handles, mirror caps, grille, ick.
I wish I had thought of it at the time, but my answer would be a 1968 through 1970 Ford XL. This is one car I like the fastback look on ever better the convertible.
Glad to see I’m not the only one who fantasied about putting a 4 liter into a Grand Wagoneer! I always thought doing the 5-liter kit to a 4 liter would’ve made for one wicked 6 cylinder for the ol’ GW.
I was putting together my imaginary working man’s dream garage the other day. Pretty much all came back to the various Ford perfomance models of 1993-1995ish. Foxbody Mustang, Thunderbird Super Coupe, Lightning, even the Escort GT and Probe GT.
1989 was a fire year for spicy models and trims at FoMoCo…and I share you’re interest in the Mazda stuff too.
1989 was the first year of the Taurus SHO.
Ha, my comment required approval for some reason and I thought it got lost. Apparently not!
I enjoy your deep knowledge of Fox body LTDs, served with respect and no arrogance.
I think we need to find a Toyota Verossa and make Adrian drive it around for a while. It would be a good successor to the R’Odious.
I think a second-gen Lancia Ypsilon would fit that.