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A Mazda Miata Wearing The Body Of An Old Ford Mustang Is More Exciting To Me Than A Real Mustang

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I’m a huge fan of the first-generation Ford Mustang. The design is iconic, and who doesn’t love the sound of a 289 cubic-inch V8 starting up on a cold spring morning? Whether I’m the person behind the wheel, riding shotgun, or just seeing one drive down the block, it’s impossible not to smile in the presence of an original ‘Stang.

That being said, those early Mustangs are now over 60 years old. They are fun to drive, but a six-decade-old suspension geometry that includes a truck-like live axle with leafspring suspension means it takes money, time, aftermarket parts, and dialing in to get it to drive anything like a modern-ish sports car. Even then, you’re dealing with a vehicle that, structurally, isn’t anything near as rigid as something built this century.

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But what if you could have the best of both worlds? Something that combines the classic looks of the first-gen Mustang with a modern vehicle that’s universally loved by people who list corner-carving as their second major in college? Perhaps, say, a Mazda MX-5 Miata? Weirdly, because the original Mustang and the first two generations of Miata are pretty close in size, this fantasyland dreamworld car actually exists. And honestly, I’d take it over a real ’65 Mustang.

Oh, So You’re Crazy?

Ok, hear me out. As I said before, the O.G. Mustang is a fantastic vehicle. It’s timeless and pretty much universally loved. But for my use cases, it’s not the car for me. When it comes to enjoying cars, I like to take them down back roads, autocross events, track days, and ice racing. While an old Mustang could certainly do all of those things, any Mustang I could afford would need lots of maintenance, rust repairs, and modifications to make it usable in those situations beyond chill cruising speeds.

Miata Mustang M1stang For Sale 3
Source: Hagerty Marketplace

I much prefer to have something more modern and agile right out of the box, with a dependable, modern powertrain setup I could daily drive, complete with air-conditioning, a solid stereo, and cruise control. More importantly, I want something with a crash structure that, in the event of a crash, won’t immediately turn my face into sloppy joe between two buns (the two buns being the steering wheel and the seat).

On the flip side, I absolutely love how the first-gen Mustang looks. Barring the flawless 1968 Dodge Charger, it’s my favorite muscle car design, period. The second-gen Miata might be the best Miata, but I can admit it’s a bit forgettable in the looks department. Thanks to the existence of the M1stang, I don’t have to compromise one way or the other.

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Source: Hagerty Marketplace

The M1stang is a kit car that first hit the scene back in 2007, just two years after the NB Miata went out of production. According to MotorTrend, it was designed by Bill Carnes, a “career bodyman” who spent time repairing original AC Cobras that were damaged during their trans-Atlantic journeys from England. In discovering that the original Mustang and the Miata had some similar dimensions, he seized the opportunity. From MotorTrend:

Several aftermarket companies reproduce vintage Ford sheetmetal, so the exterior rebuild was possible. Combining the classic tin with a modern Mazda Miata chassis was the real stroke of genius. Amazingly, the scale of both cars is close. After the Miata sheetmetal was removed, Carnes trimmed the Mustang fenders and doors on the edges where the changes wouldn’t be noticed. The steel trunk is full-size, and the hood is fiberglass. There are no alterations to the chassis, and the conversion process is so vehicle-friendly that no fluids need to be drained from the car or sensors disconnected. Only the battery is removed for safety.

The finished conversion has all the style of the original ’65 with all the agility, reliability, and creature comforts of a modern Miata, such as air-conditioning, airbags, four-wheel disc brakes, and a fully independent suspension. The transformation is so nicely crafted that after reviewing the package, Carnes was awarded user status from Ford, with full authorization to build the cars. With a perfected vehicle and Ford’s blessings, all he needed was money to proceed.

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Source: Hagerty Marketplace

Carnes got his funding from John Schoeller, a former computer graphics technician who had a passion for car restoration. The business of building Miatas into Mustangs was launched, with buyers able to purchase cars built by either Carnes, who was located in St. Augustine, Florida, or by Schoeller, who was located in Englishtown, New Jersey. They’d do the conversion for $12,999, plus the cost of a repaint.

According to MotorTrend, the two partners were, at one time, building a combined one M1stang every four weeks, though it’s not clear if the company still exists or how many were built in total, as the firm doesn’t currently have an online presence. Still, M1stangs get pretty good coverage in the media whenever one comes up for sale, because they’re just so damn interesting.

This Is The Mustang For Me

Miata Mustang M1stang For Sale 2
Source: Hagerty Marketplace

Going by that coverage, M1stangs seem pretty rare. From what I can tell, there are only a couple for sale in the U.S. right now. The first is this highly modified example with a Ford V8 under the hood that was listed on Facebook Marketplace a year ago in St. Augustine by what looks to be a relative of Carnes. The second, and the one I’m more interested in, is this all-red model that looks, from a distance, like it could actually be a real Mustang convertible.

This M1stang, which started life as a 2001 Mazda MX-5 Miata, is currently up for auction on the Hagerty Marketplace. It’s the cleanest, most well-kept version I’ve seen pop up online, sporting a beautiful red paint job and some classic Mustang side stripes. I think what sells it most are the wheels, which are five-spoke 15-inchers from Fittipaldi with Mustang-badged center caps. A lot of these M1stangs I’ve seen previously either used oversized chrome wheels or modern Miata wheels, neither of which belong on a Mustang, real or fake.

From what I’ve seen, these M1stangs usually don’t go for too much more than a normal Miata in the same condition, with the same mileage. This car is particularly low-mile for a Miata, with the odometer showing just over 54,000 miles since new. I’m sure that’s a big reason this car looks so pristine. Either way, it’ll probably still end up cheaper than a real ’65 Mustang that’s as sorted and reliable as a Miata.

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No V8 here, just the Miata’s tried and true 1.8-liter inline-four, making the same 155 horsepower it always has. Source: Hagerty Marketplace

That doesn’t mean it’s perfect, obviously. Its biggest flaw is the four-speed auto between the seats, but I don’t think it would take much work to swap out for a proper five- or six-speed manual. I’d probably also swap out some stock seats in place of the bright red leather chairs and remove the 289 badges on the fenders (because that is going one step too far). I don’t really like the chrome roll bar, either, but it’s probably best to keep it around, in the rare case I end up upside down.

Considering how few of these cars are around, who knows – maybe one day, M1stangs will become true collector cars in the eyes of the Miata-obsessed (or the Mustang-obsessed?). For now, though, they remain a beautiful, affordable compromise for weirdos like me.

Top graphic images: Hagerty Marketplace; Mazda

 

 

 

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99 Sport
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99 Sport
1 month ago

I own a 66 Mustang and an NB Miata. I love the concept, but these cars are not close in size

The 1965 Mustang is nearly two feet longer in total length and has a wheelbase roughly 19 inches longer than the 2000 Miata, making the Mustang a larger vehicle in both dimensions. 

James Andrew
James Andrew
1 month ago

Uh.. the color is nice?

Shooting Brake
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Shooting Brake
1 month ago

I would absolutely drive one of these

Drift Cobra
Drift Cobra
1 month ago

I’m sorry, but this seems like a waste of a Mustang and a Miata.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
1 month ago

They should have done this as a Mustang II. Sizes would have been more compatible and the stock Miata engine would be more power than any factory Deuce ever had.

Dan1101
Dan1101
1 month ago

I don’t want to like it, but I kinda do. Those wheels scream “90s aftermarket” to me though, they need changed to something more vintage looking IMO.

Comet_65cali
Comet_65cali
1 month ago
Reply to  Dan1101

Change the wheels for some Trans-Am inspired Minilites and you have something.

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago

Wow Brian: thanks! I had no idea such a thing existed. 🙂

It’s shockingly impressive! That red one anyway.

I’m not a Mustang fetishist, but I understand the appeal of course. I am a Miata guy, and my first one was a NB, which IMO is/was a nice looking little car, sort of giving a shrunk-down AC Cobra vibe (a bit) what with the fenders. After selling it, I missed it so much I bought another one (a NA this time, with a hardtop) and it’s in my garage as I type this.

Again, I’ve never lusted for an early ‘stang, but paying regular/decent used-Miata money for one of these M1stangs, even if it’s not quite as pretty as this red one, seems like a no-brainer. Miatas are plentiful, so to me, there’s no harm in modding them, even significantly if that’s what you want. And I say that even though I personally am fine with them stock. 🙂

Baltimore Paul
Baltimore Paul
1 month ago

Early mustang and first two generations of Miata are similar in size? Come on man.

Last edited 1 month ago by Baltimore Paul
Dr.Xyster
Dr.Xyster
1 month ago

This is right up there, with that weird corvette wave-rider thing.

https://robbreport.com/motors/marine/jetcar-usa-corvette-jetski-1234822708/

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
1 month ago

The rear overhang is ridiculous. It just looks like some weird Temu Mustang.
The bodywork itself looks clean, but WTF. That thing has to be dog shit slow.

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
1 month ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

It’s got the 20 more horsepower than the OG Six Cylinder Mustang. And TONS of aftermarket support. And it can actually steer and stop.

Last edited 1 month ago by Tallestdwarf
CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
1 month ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

OG 6 cylinder mustang…

Tallestdwarf
Tallestdwarf
1 month ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

Yep. About 35% of 1965-66 Mustangs were 6 cylinders.

Westboundbiker
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Westboundbiker
1 month ago
Reply to  Tallestdwarf

Not to mention, a 289 made ~220 *gross* horsepower… So 180-190 net? So this is only off of those numbers by 40-50 horses, easily rectified by the massive Miata aftermarket.

S13 Sedan
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S13 Sedan
1 month ago

On the off chance you do roll, you’d be better off without that bar on there. 99% of the ones that look like that are purely for style and do nothing in a roll over except bend forward and potentially trap your neck like a mousetrap.

Matt K
Matt K
1 month ago

I guess that there is a use for an automatic NB Miata after all.

JDE
JDE
1 month ago

I recall the Miatastangs a few decades back. Seemed like the late 80’s FI 5.0 would fit pretty easily in a Miata based upon how many I seemed to see at shows. I don’t know if I would be fine with a mildly built late 80’s 5.0 or if the Coyote even fits in their, but it would be hard for me to be fine with just the 1.8 with this nice body kit in place.

Matt K
Matt K
1 month ago
Reply to  JDE

The Coyote is insanely wide for a V8 – not sure if the Miata has the engine bay for that…

Ron Gartner
Ron Gartner
1 month ago

“Who put the Mustang in the dryer on high?!”

Pendine Sands
Pendine Sands
1 month ago

Sorry, but this is clearly a body that’s too big for the car. It looks like Stallone’s suit on Woody Allen.

JDE
JDE
1 month ago
Reply to  Pendine Sands

It also still has the problem of Miata sized dimensions inside too. My head tended to hit the roof whenever I tried to drive the early gen units. I did seem to fit much better in the Fiata 124. I still would probably rather have that though than even a new Miata.

Matt K
Matt K
1 month ago
Reply to  Pendine Sands

I was thinking ‘Amphicar’, but definitely odd from the side profile…

…and it answers a question nobody (well, ONE guy) asked.

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 month ago

Carnes trimmed the Mustang fenders and doors on the edges where the changes wouldn’t be noticed. 

As someone who has spent way too much time staring at first gen Mustangs, it is VERY noticeable. Built a couple scale models as a kid, drew them (poorly) all the time, those lines feel like AI slop now for some reason. Strange how modern tech is starting to warp my perception of things.

TOSSABL
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TOSSABL
1 month ago

My boss in a former career had a first year Mustang with a mildly upgraded 289 he had bought in the mid 80s & made nice over 20 years. When tasked with driving it some 30 miles for him, I was completely underwhelmed. It looked really nice, but my 4-door 1982 Rabbit was way more fun to drive. The slush box sapped it, and that live axle wasn’t well located, which was a bit scary the one time I gave it a few beans in a straight line. It leaned and wallowed not unlike the 1972 Satellite I briefly owned.

Miata driving character with Mustang looks sounds like a great combo to me

Max Headbolts
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Max Headbolts
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

Yeah, I think this falls into the Don’t meet your heroes camp for me. I love the look of classic muscle cars, but pretty sure my Civic Si drives 300% better, faster, and more reliably.

Red865
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Red865
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

We have both an ’92 NA Miata and Mustang’s cousin: a stock 68 Cougar (been in wife’s family since early 80s). I frequently drive both to work. They are absolutely completely opposite ends of the driving spectrum! Cougar is steering is more like a piloting a boat…slow and vague, 4 wheel drums, but the V8 torque and a modified C4 always bring a smile to my face when it barks into next gear. Nostalgia is part of it. Just reminds you just how far cars have come!

Last edited 1 month ago by Red865
TOSSABL
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TOSSABL
1 month ago
Reply to  Red865

I’m happy to hear of someone enjoying a Cougar. Buddy had a 70ish(?) in HS in that beautiful dark green. With a cam & exhaust it made great noises when kicked down, but mostly just felt like a special event simply cruising in it. Not a show car, but it had that quiet presence that made you wriggle your butt into the seat, throw your arm up on the door, and lean back to enjoy the ride.

Red865
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Red865
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

Ya, definitely just a fun car to cruise in. Definitely not a show car. Not for racing/smoky burnouts. It’s more of a ‘survivor’. Taken it to Cars and Coffee several times and it’s usually the only Cougar there out of the hundreds of cars that show up. It prefers to be driven regularly. If you don’t, she is very unhappy when you fire her back up.

EXL500
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EXL500
1 month ago
Reply to  TOSSABL

It’s a Falcon with a well styled body. That sya it all about the dynamics.

Christocyclist
Christocyclist
1 month ago

This is very cool…

Ana Osato
Ana Osato
1 month ago

“Weirdly, because the original Mustang and the first two generations of Miata are pretty close in size”

Yes, the Mustang is only 64cm longer, 7cm taller, 6cm wider, but sure, let’s call this “pretty close”

Y2Keith
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Y2Keith
1 month ago
Reply to  Ana Osato

Well, when you put it THAT way… LOL

EXL500
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EXL500
1 month ago
Reply to  Ana Osato

What’s that in Freedom sizes. 😉

Ana Osato
Ana Osato
1 month ago
Reply to  EXL500

I don’t know, they didn’t teach us fool units in school.

EXL500
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EXL500
1 month ago
Reply to  Ana Osato

Well played! I forgot to include a ‘/s’ on my comment.

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