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A Typography Geek Pointed Out Something About The Space Shuttle Discovery And Now I Can’t Unsee It

Cs Discovery S Top

Even though I was born in the Apollo Era, barely, the spacecraft that I think had the most influence on my childhood had to be the Space Shuttles. I remember poring over diagrams and drawings of the shuttles in National Geographic foldouts, where they even took my attention from the Forbidden Nipples seen on some of the other pages. I remember watching that first launch of the shuttle Colombia in 1981, I remember the tragedy of the Challenger in 1986, and I remember covering the process of moving the orbiter Endeavour through the streets of Los Angeles to its eventual home at the California Science Center. And more recently, I’ve taken my kid to see the orbiter Discovery at the Udvar-Hazy Center just outside of Washington, DC.

It’s that orbiter that I want to talk about specifically, because I saw a social media post about the orbiter Discovery that grabbed my attention and held it with the sort of fierce grip I imagine Miss Piggy employs on Kermit’s impossibly thin limbs when they’re alone.

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

That post was on Threads, and I just figured out how to embed a post from that site, so here, you can see it for yourself:

 

View on Threads

 

Wait, what? Discovery has an upside-down ‘s’ in its name? How the hell did that happen? Discovery was usually considered, by astronauts and NASA people, the jewel in the Space Shuttle crown. It was recognized to be the most reliable and best-performing of all the orbiters, and had the most missions and time in space. Since it was first launched in 1984, Discovery completed 39 missions, spent in total a full year in space, and traveled 150 million miles.

The thing flew for 27 years, and somehow nobody noticed that the ‘s’ was upside down on the starboard side name text?

I mean, I guess I should be more understanding; I’ve seen it several times and never noticed, and it wasn’t until just tonight that I looked back at some old photos I took of Discovery the last time I was there and saw, holy crap, the dude on Threads was right. That ‘s’ is rotated 180°.

Cs Discovery S Full
Image: Jason Torchinsky

Now, the typography on the shuttle orbiters follows NASA’s carefully-planned and strictly-enforced graphic and typographic guidelines, which state that the typography used on the spacecraft should be Helvetica Medium:

Cs Nasa Shuttle Typogaraphyguide
Image: NASA

Okay, let’s take a look at the typography on the orbiter:

Cs Discovery S Comp1
Image: Jason Torchinsky

(the ‘r’ on the font I used there feels a bit different, too, but this gets the point across and I have to get on a flight in a few hours so I’m gonna let that slide)

It’s a subtle difference, but as you can see, the starboard side’s name definitely has that flipped ‘s.’ It’s subtle, but the Helvetica ‘s’ is slightly wider on the bottom, giving the letter a somewhat more settled appearance. Here, look:

Cs Helvetica S Comp
Image: Jason Torchinsky

You can see the difference there, right? I feel like once it’s pointed out, you can’t help but notice it. The ‘v’ on the port side looks oddly thick, too, now that I’m looking at it.

I’ve been told that the graphics on these orbiters was applied using large stencils and special space-grade paint, and I’m sure the complex curves of the fuselage didn’t make the application of these elements easy. It’s understandable that a letter stencil may have been flipped around, but I am sort of surprised it was never corrected in its 27 years of service life.

Cs Discovery Rear
Image: Jason Torchinsky

All the other graphics and typography are applied with impressive precision; maybe there were people who knew that ‘s’ was wrong, but kind of liked that subtle imperfection, as it does add character to the spacecraft. I get that, absolutely. If I was in charge, I’d have just let it ride, too.

Cs Otto Discovery
Image: Jason Torchinsky

I still can’t believe I’d never clocked this before; as a typographic geek and a space geek who has spent far too much time looking at pictures of spacecraft in books and online, you’d think I’d have encountered this before, but, nope. Or if I did, it didn’t make enough of an impression to consciously note it or remember.

But now that it’s there? I can’t unsee it. And I’m sort of delighted by that.

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Michael Han
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Michael Han
4 days ago

Kerning around the v looks a little tight on the port side

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
4 days ago

Good type design is such a lost art… probably because it’s a tremendous ass-pain.

Tim Connors
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Tim Connors
4 days ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

The closest most of use ever get is drawing the cool S in like 6th grade, then trying to write literally any word in that style and realizing it doesn’t work.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
2 days ago
Reply to  Aaronaut

I’ll have to disagree here. Type design is flourishing now that you don’t need to worry about physical glyphs. Just visit Google Fonts or the myriad sites dedicated to helping programmers pick the right monospace font for their editor. IBM and Jetbrains have released new typefaces. Uber and AirBnB got custom typefaces made for them (why, tho). There are a LOT of typeface design studios.

https://fonts.google.com/

https://www.programmingfonts.org/

Space
Space
4 days ago

Thanks for posting the screenshot, whatever you embedded did not show up for me.

ElectricMiataBoogaloo
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ElectricMiataBoogaloo
4 days ago
Reply to  Space

It showed for me but half off the screen like they usually do. Meta won’t let me click any links since they want me to install the app and log in.

*Jason*
*Jason*
4 days ago

My first job out of college was with an aerospace company and we made some Shuttle parts. Fantastic way to start out and still the most technically demanding job I’ve had.

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
4 days ago

Dude. I wonder if this was a deliberate move by a fellow Sid to sneak his name in upside-down and backwards on a space shuttle. If so, much respect.

KITT222 aka The Vibe Guy aka Nick
KITT222 aka The Vibe Guy aka Nick
4 days ago

This is now my favorite Shuttle Discovery fact. Those human touches on one of our greatest space-faring achievements really make it feel more humble. Kind of like how the letters just look spray painted on in general. Love that old space-based moving van.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
4 days ago

Wow, that’s quite a discovery.

Chronometric
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Chronometric
4 days ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Jason kicking some NASA ‘s’.

Rob Stercraw
Rob Stercraw
4 days ago

If NASA was actually a real government organization, they would have got this right in the first place. Since it’s obvs Hollywood built – let’s just call it what it is: a simple continuity error.

Last edited 4 days ago by Rob Stercraw
SkaterDad
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SkaterDad
4 days ago
Reply to  Rob Stercraw

next thing you’ll tell me the “o” in Apollo was upside down as well???

Rob Stercraw
Rob Stercraw
4 days ago
Reply to  SkaterDad

rotated 37.7% actually – thanks for asking

JG Wentworth
JG Wentworth
4 days ago
Reply to  Rob Stercraw

If the government’s known for anything, it’s for getting things right!

Rob Stercraw
Rob Stercraw
4 days ago
Reply to  JG Wentworth

If only more people could understand that…

PeriSoft
PeriSoft
4 days ago

All I have to say about this is that I initially misread the headline as A Typography Greek and I kinda like that better that way, too.

Tj1977
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Tj1977
4 days ago
Reply to  PeriSoft

My first read was exactly the same.

Smoke&Mears
Smoke&Mears
4 days ago

The Udvar-Hazy museum is an absolute gem. Highly, highly recommended for any gearhead.

TriangleRAD
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TriangleRAD
4 days ago
Reply to  Smoke&Mears

Totally. The engines on display are worth the trip all by themselves.

Eslader
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Eslader
4 days ago
Reply to  TriangleRAD

Don’t miss the OG museum on the National Mall either. They have a J58 on display.

Mark Tucker
Mark Tucker
4 days ago

Wow. As a 25 year veteran sign guy, I can’t believe I never caught that either. I’ve handled I don’t know how many sets of Gemini letters, and it’s plainly obvious there’s a right-side-up when you’re holding the letter in your hand. I guess the odd curvature of the ship right there disguises it.

And now that I look more closely, that panel break cutting through the letters at an angle bugs me, too.

Goblin
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Goblin
4 days ago

This really proves NASA did it…

When looking from the tarmac, the top part is further up and at an angle. Has to be bigger to optically match the bottom part that we’re looking at at a sharper angle.

Last edited 4 days ago by Goblin
Pater Corpus
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Pater Corpus
4 days ago
Reply to  Goblin

Michelangelo’s David of fuselage ornamentation.

Tj1977
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Tj1977
4 days ago
Reply to  Goblin

I was thinking the exact same thing…it makes the most sense.

MaximillianMeen
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MaximillianMeen
4 days ago
Reply to  Goblin

The only hole in your theory is that the ‘s’ is not flipped on the port side where it is farther up on sloped area near the windscreen.

JG Wentworth
JG Wentworth
4 days ago

Shhhhhhhhh! Let them have their silly theories.

Goblin
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Goblin
4 days ago
Reply to  JG Wentworth

This man won’t let me speak…I’m taller than him, ladies and gentlemen, by at least 3 inches, which means I’m a lot more respectable looking.

Everyone knows politicians lie and steal and cheat, but at least with me in charge, you know I look good and I have a very superserious manner. Besides which, I’ve been abroad and I prefer it here because I’m a man of the people. Vote Shrub! You’ll get richer and you won’t feel guilty about it.

Goblin
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Goblin
4 days ago

Well, I’m afraid that’s apparently quite a difficult question, but my solution is easy: I’m gonna talk for a long time about a subject not in any way related and pretty soon, people forget all about it. I’ll remind people I have a great haircut and that, under my stewardship, Vice City has had on average 15% better weather than before.

While crime rates and S’es only go up and wrong if you don’t turn the graph upside down.

Turn it upside down, and they have halved. Halved, under me, Alex Shrub! Vote Shrub for President and you’ll have a friendly face in the White House, a man you can trust, a local man who likes golf and laughing and photo opportunities at your store or place of business. Just send me a letter, I’ll send you an automated, photocopied response. We call it democracy and that’s where the money goes.

Tbird
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Tbird
4 days ago

Don’t touch it, it was the good luck charm for the ship.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
4 days ago

“fierce grip I imagine Miss Piggy employs on Kermit’s impossibly thin limbs when they’re alone.”

Did y’all know that James Hetfield of Metallica officiated the wedding of Kermit and Ms Piggy?

Makes sense because he’s the pastor of Muppets.

Rob Stercraw
Rob Stercraw
4 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

Dammit.

Balloondoggle
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Balloondoggle
4 days ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

You got me. I love you for that.

Mr. Asa
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Mr. Asa
4 days ago

Working lightly in a similar field, I doubt the S would have had its own separate stencil. It would have made more sense to have the entire word spelled out.

I wonder if there are pictures of the shuttle in the paint booth?

JJ
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JJ
4 days ago
Reply to  Mr. Asa

It might have. If you had the whole word, you’d have a version of the make-a-map-of-a-globe problem. The stencil would not be able to be taped (or whatever) without the paper (or whatever) bulging in places.

Drew
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Drew
4 days ago

I’m guessing the reason most of us don’t notice is the angle at which we see it combining with the curve of the craft. It’s a subtle enough issue that those things absolutely mask the problem.

But now that you’ve mentioned it, I will never unsee it.

JJ
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JJ
4 days ago
Reply to  Drew

Our brains can also read oddly misspelled words, as long as the first few and last few letters are right. We tend not to pay much attention to the ones in the middle

IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
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IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
4 days ago

In space, nobody can hear you scream about typography errors.

Flyingstitch
Flyingstitch
4 days ago

There is no up or down in space.

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
4 days ago

Cue the “but the S used to be right-side up” Mandela-effect conspiracy theorists…

Baker Stuzzen
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Baker Stuzzen
4 days ago

IT DID!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Space_Shuttle_Discovery_and_Carrier_747_at_Vandenberg_Air_Force_Base.png

The “V” on the port side used to be normal as well:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Space_Shuttle_Discovery_lands_for_the_first_time%2C_completing_STS-41-D.jpg

The thing re-entered the atmosphere 39 times; it makes sense that NASA re-sprayed it at least once at some point.

TheNewt
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TheNewt
4 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Holy crap, that first image brings back memories. Not of the shuttle, but the K-car Security Police cruiser. Drove those for a few years before we transitioned to Chevy Caprices.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 days ago
Reply to  TheNewt

That looks like a Diplomat, not as stupid big for the job as a Caprice but still a step down from a K.

TheNewt
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TheNewt
4 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

You may be right. Still had the flood of memories. The brain is a funny thing.

Phuzz
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Phuzz
4 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

It looks like it’s upside-down in this image from 1984:
https://www.aftc.af.mil/News/On-This-Day-in-Test-History/Article-Display-Test-History/Article/2302160/september-5-1984-air-force-flight-test-center-last-full-time-space-shuttle-supp/ which is it landing from it’s first flight
So it happened some time between 6th Nov 1983 and 30th Aug 1984.
Guess I’m spending my afternoon going through vintage pics of the space shuttle.

Last edited 4 days ago by Phuzz
TriangleRAD
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TriangleRAD
4 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Just send it to Maaco. This is government work we’re talking about here

JG Wentworth
JG Wentworth
4 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

I was really hoping you were going to posit the theory that the heat from re-entry itself caused it to flip!

Baker Stuzzen
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Baker Stuzzen
4 days ago
Reply to  JG Wentworth

Ahem. *Dons tin foil hat*

It waS the aliEns mAn! They Used their cosMic rays to rotate oUr leTteRs like we’Ve turned oN each other! TheIr warniNg is right tHere! You jUst need to opeN yOur eyes! TuRn your Lives arouNd, man!

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
4 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Hey now, don’t be speaking ill of my people like that.

JG Wentworth
JG Wentworth
3 days ago
Reply to  Baker Stuzzen

Perfect! No notes!

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
4 days ago

Shouldn’t have let that Australian painter apply that stencil.

IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
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IRegretNothing, Esq, DVM, BBQ
4 days ago

Croikey!

(Flip your phone upside down to get the joke)

CarEsq
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CarEsq
4 days ago

The phrase “good enough for government work” keeps running over and over in my head.

Frank C.
Frank C.
4 days ago
Reply to  CarEsq

The space shuttles were designed and built by the for-profit, private contractor Rockwell International. The government merely paid for it.

The Car Accumulator
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The Car Accumulator
4 days ago
Reply to  CarEsq

Done by the lowest bidder.

James Mason
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James Mason
4 days ago

Worked at a tool & die shop and we had to use paint stencils to paint “PROPERTY OF…” on assembly fixtures we were building before we applied clear coat. Had a young guy who needed to put “PROPERTY OF CHRYSLER” on one, but he couldn’t find a 4th capital ‘R’ in our stencil kit. Told him to just use a ‘B’ and some masking tape (to fudge it into a ‘R’). Nobody noticed until the tooling was being loaded onto the truck that they all said, “PROPERTY OF CHRYSLEB”, underneath 2 layers of perfectly applied clear coat.

GirchyGirchy
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GirchyGirchy
4 days ago
Reply to  James Mason

What a tool. I’ll bet he just wanted to die once someone pointed it out to him.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
4 days ago

A whole bunch of model builders just looked over at the their models of Discovery on their shelves and swore.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
4 days ago
Reply to  James McHenry

I see some impressive arguments at IPMS contests in the future.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
4 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

IDK, in my club the car guys are starting to win over some of those types to the point we’re starting to joke that IPMS means “I Paint Models Shiny”.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
4 days ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

Good job on your car guys for pushing the rivet-counters out of their comfort zone! Military modelers have always tended to get a bit sniffy about model car builders… until they try to get a good gloss paint job. I actually like to mix it up a bit and steal their techniques to build the occasional “barn find” car. I did a 1/12 Italeri Bugatti 35b a few years back with the full range of weathering tricks from salt masking to oil washes and pastels. It was fun and made a nice change from the usual wet sanding and polishing routine.

Clark B
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Clark B
4 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

I got pretty good at building demolition derby car replicas back in my teens. Burned myself on melting plastic a fair bit, getting all the dents and such just right. A layer of tinfoil over that makes for realistic dented metal. I’d even custom build a “stripped out” interior, and looked up wiring diagrams/other common derby setups to get my models just right. Real mud was the finishing touch.

If I had the time, I’d love to do a barn find model like you’ve done! That was always my plan for my next model car, but I haven’t built one in ages.

Last edited 4 days ago by Clark B
Rich Mason
Rich Mason
4 days ago
Reply to  Clark B

” I love the smell of melting plastic in the morning.”

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
3 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

As a model railroading geek, I love weathering models. The filthier the better – nothing stays shiny on a railroad.

You should post a link to a picture of that Bugatti, I’d love to see it!

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
3 days ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

See if this works, a link to the Model Car Maker forum…

https://forum.modelcarmakers.com/topic/182869-le-chaton-112-italeri-bugatti-35b/

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
3 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

That looks amazing – great job! I’ve used the salt technique for rust spots too.

James Mason
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James Mason
4 days ago
Reply to  James McHenry

Hands shaking, sweat beading up, wondering if their old bottle of Testors B- 1168TT, 1168C2 (P) FLAT WHITE has dried up yet or if it’s still viable for some touch-up work.

Hoonicus
Hoonicus
4 days ago

“$” happens.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
4 days ago

This is what happens when one contractor types in English and the other in metric.

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