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Banning Leaded Gas Was A Good Thing, Says Century-Old Wad Of Hair

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Humans have known that lead is bad for our health for centuries. But in a quest to improve engine performance and alleviate engine knock in the 1920s, during the dawn of the mass-produced automobile, a few scientists at General Motors discovered that lead was pretty helpful. The result was decades of leaded gasoline use globally.

It wasn’t until 1970 that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) officially declared that lead from automobile exhaust was a direct threat to human health. In 1973, the agency began to impose regulations on leaded gasoline, which would lead to its eventual phase-out from gas stations in America by 1996.

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Amazingly, it was only in 2021 that Algeria, the last country to allow leaded gasoline, stopped selling the stuff at fueling stations. But those toxic fumes aren’t totally gone from our air. There are still nearly a quarter-million airplanes in the world that still use leaded gas.

Thanks to a study released by the University of Utah, we now have proof that the reduction in lead in gasoline mandated by the EPA has led to decreased exposure to people. The evidence, interestingly, was found by analyzing 100 years’ worth of human hair.

Here’s How They Got The Data

The study, published yesterday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, analyzed strands of hair from Salt Lake City residents, both children and adults, that were up to 100 years old, that the university had in its archives. Unsurprisingly, the amount of lead in hair dropped significantly after the EPA stepped in in the ’70s. From the study:

Concentrations of Pb in human hair from the Salt Lake City region population had very high levels from 1916 to 1969 before the establishment of the EPA, with individual values ranging between 28 and 100 ppm. In the decades of the 1970s through the 1990s, the average values declined from about 50 ppm in the 1970s to 10 ppm in the 1990s. The decline has continued to the present day with average values post-2020 of <1 ppm. Therefore, the lead concentrations in hair have declined by about 2 orders of magnitude since the establishment of EPA and implementation of measures to reduce human exposure to Pb.

Lead Exposure Graph
Notice how the amount of lead in the hair (measured in parts per million) remained steady until around 1970, when the EPA stepped in. Source: PNAS / University of Utah

Essentially, this means that lead levels in humans were around 100 times higher back in the 1920s than they are now, after the regulations have taken effect. That seems like a pretty good improvement.

It’s worth noting that the study also says some of these lead levels can also be attributed to other sources of lead, such as lead piping, lead-infused paint, and two major lead smelters that were active in the Salt Lake Valley area, where the hair samples were sourced, from the 1910s to the 1960s. But the study makes it clear that leaded gasoline was a “principal source” of environmental lead exposure for humans.

Here’s What It Means

Lead, in case you weren’t aware, can be absolutely devastating to human health. It accumulates in the body in places like living tissue and bone, and even low levels can be toxic, according to the University. This is especially true concerning children, according to the World Health Organization:

Exposure to very high levels of lead can severely damage the brain and central nervous system causing coma, convulsions and even death. Children who survive severe lead poisoning may be left with permanent intellectual disability and behavioural disorders. At lower levels of exposure that may have no obvious symptoms, lead can lead to a spectrum of injury across multiple body systems. In particular, lead can permanently affect children’s brain development, resulting in reduced intelligence quotient (IQ), behavioural changes including reduced attention span and increased antisocial behaviour, and reduced educational attainment. Lead exposure also causes anaemia, hypertension, renal impairment, immunotoxicity and toxicity to the reproductive organs.

Vintage Gas Pump Lead Tetraethyl Sign Environment
Source: DepositPhotos.com

The WHO adds that lead exposure could be attributed to more than 1.5 million deaths and a combined 33 million years lost to disability in 2021 alone. So basically: Lead is bad for you, and you should do your best to avoid it whenever possible, especially if you’re a small child.

This data comes to the pretty obvious conclusion that if there is less lead in the environment, humans will be exposed to less of it. But thanks to this hair analysis, we can see exactly how quickly that trend occurred, and how it very clearly coincides with the EPA’s efforts to curb, and eventually eliminate, leaded gasoline use in cars. It also demonstrates exactly how effective the regulations were at solving the problem. And I’d say a 99% reduction in lead from hair samples is pretty effective.

Top graphic images: DepositPhotos.com

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GoWest
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GoWest
2 days ago

Sharing the public health perspective where the lead industry conducted an all-out war against the science. See the first video here:
https://billmoyers.com/story/flint-and-americas-toxic-history-with-lead/

DMod65
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DMod65
2 days ago

One of the more interesting correlations I’ve seen with lead exposure is the long-term neurological impacts it can cause. Childhood exposure can result in adults who are “more neurotic, less agreeable, and less conscientious”.

Most of the people running our country were exposed to airborne lead for decades before the EPA phase out of leaded gasoline.

Nick Adams
Nick Adams
2 days ago
Reply to  DMod65

So, this entire administration has been huffing lead for their whole lives?

George Talbot
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George Talbot
1 day ago
Reply to  Nick Adams

In their early childhood years, when it’s most important to cognitive development, yes.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
2 days ago

This seems like as good a place as any to share (since it has to do with gasoline and a type of emission).
This guy’s done some great work in breaking-down the benefits of an electrified transportation infrastructure. While this (long) video is about the benefits of renewable, he uses cars and gasoline consumption as a proxy for all non-renewable energy usage while directly addressing all of the common counterpoints to renewable energy (you just need to have the patience to get to them).
https://youtu.be/Zgxb8I1nk2I?si=5btgoouVXCPA8L_h

Last edited 2 days ago by Phonebem
Christocyclist
Christocyclist
2 days ago

I fully expect a follow up story about the so-called, ahem, EPA announcing a collaboration with Big Lead to Make America Leaded Again.

4jim
4jim
2 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

by “executive order”

Pupmeow
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Pupmeow
2 days ago
Reply to  4jim

i.e., unhinged post on Truth Social

Wrdtrggr
Wrdtrggr
2 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

Maybe I’m remembering what I read incorrectly, but I thought there actually was a lead lobby at the time that was partially to blame for pushing for the stuff in petrol/gas.

George Talbot
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George Talbot
1 day ago
Reply to  Wrdtrggr

Yes that’s true. And the reason it was tetraethyl lead was not because it was better than all other solutions. Alcohol works about as well as tetraethyl lead to reduce engine knock. You can’t patent alcohol, though, which is why tetraethyl lead was chosen.

DrDanteIII
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DrDanteIII
2 days ago
Reply to  Christocyclist

Make America Leaded Again.?

I thought that was ICE’s job now.

*I immediately regret posting that for myriad reasons.*

CTSVmkeLS6
CTSVmkeLS6
2 days ago

What’s with the strange image? I thought u guys said no AI junk.
The banning lead gas thing but still is in private planes till recently makes me think about the global warming Al Gore types flying around to conferences to spout their piece , but not being accountable for their giant carbon footprint. It’s hypocrisy obviously, forget any political garbage.
Their message obviously means well, but the actions speak louder than words.

Rafael
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Rafael
2 days ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

Down a few comments they mention that the source images are from depositphotos.com, searched with “no aí” tags. It seems the filter failed.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
2 days ago
Reply to  Rafael

Weirdly, it looks like this isn’t even AI. Another reader found that this stock photo is pretty old. It’s apparently an amateurish Photoshop job, probably in an attempt to anonymize the vehicle since the original image depicted coal rolling. I suppose that’s why it didn’t get caught by the AI filter. It’s not AI, it’s just a ‘Shop job that’s so screwy it might as well be AI.

Rafael
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Rafael
1 day ago

We live in a strange world… Today at work someone told me I’m great at vibecoding, for a reporting tool I did in a hurry… in 2022. Not sure if I should feel flattered, insulted, worried or all of the above 🙂

Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
2 hours ago
Reply to  CTSVmkeLS6

Unless I’m mistaken the leaded gas is avgas used in internal combustion plane engines, while the Al Gore types fly around in jets with turbines powered by fuel that is basically kerosene.

Work is being done on unleaded alternatives for avgas.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Jonathan Hendry
Space
Space
3 days ago

It would be interesting to see another study of people’s hair in an area that did not have two lead smelters.

Eliminating variables could really help nail down how much came from each source.

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
3 days ago

Two fun facts about leaded gas.
1) The guy who invented it was also responsible for CFCs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
2) There is a school of thought that the serial killer epidemic of the 70s and 80s was down to lead poisoning.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166046222000667

Bill D
Bill D
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Not just serial killers but all violent crime from the ’50s to the ’90s. Violent crime rates in the US peaked in 1992, lagging the introduction and then the phase-out of leaded gas by about 15 years.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
2 days ago
Reply to  Bill D

I’ll add other factors may be involved. The US population has aged over the same period, and there’s an inverse correlation between age and violent crime.

The US also removed lead from house paint, and today all paint products advise painters to wear PPE when scaping and sanding old paint that likely contains lead.

As for serial killers, police agencies cooperate more than they used to and online crime databases make it easier to spot similar crimes. That said, it’s likely today’s serial killers do a better job at covering their tracks and target vulnerable populations in areas with weak law enforcement, such as native American jurisdictions. (I think I just revealed I read too many of Michael Connelly’s books.)

Jonathan Hendry
Jonathan Hendry
2 hours ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

And Midgley died in a Wallace and Gromit contraption of his own design. A down payment on expiating his bad karma.

Redapple
Redapple
3 days ago

You state the reduction in PB levels. But never state the ppm levels that cause harm. Basic info yoh.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
3 days ago
Reply to  Redapple

There is *no safe* level of lead. The usual 15ppb, yes *billion*, in drinking water is a practical limit, not one based on safety.

Last edited 3 days ago by Spopepro
Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 days ago
Reply to  Redapple

No level is safe. Just because we evolved on a planet with lead doesn’t mean we’re ok with any level of exposure. We don’t play in a sandbox full of plutonium either.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

Speak for yourself

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

Are you insides liquefying yet?

Pupmeow
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Pupmeow
2 days ago
Reply to  Frank C.

Dan can’t respond due to the fact that the skin on his hands has melted off. 🙁

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

Plutonium isn’t found naturally on Earth though except in exceedingly trace amounts so there was none to adapt to.

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

That’s a contradiction. It is natural and a comparatively rare element. Exposure is exposure.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
2 days ago
Reply to  Frank C.

Not really. All isotopes of plutonium are radioactive and geologically speaking most have relatively short half lives. Humans didn’t even know it existed until the 1940s and even then only because it was made by humans, not found in the environment. Because of this plutonium is considered a synthetic element, not a natural one.

That geologically short half life of plutonium means there is vanishingly little primordial plutonium found anywhere on the Earth. There MIGHT be some plutonium-244 still around but AFAIK it has yet to be discovered in the crust. Good luck finding enough of that to poison anyone.

Naturally occurring lead OTOH is stable and relatively ubiquitous. Humans have been aware of lead’s existence and its toxicity since the dawn of civilization. It’s not going anywhere. You can find it in your tackle box, on your tires, electronics, batteries, ammunition, fancy glassware, fancy plates, dust,…

There are about 1-3 tons of plutonium on the entire Earth depending on who you ask. The overwhelming majority of that is safely locked up in the core of a nuclear reactor, in the demon core of a nuclear warhead, in a waste dump or in a wreck at the bottom of the sea. Its one of the densest elements on the table at 19.84 g/cm³. That works out to a volume of 50-150L yielding a 1 square meter sandbox 5-15cm deep. That’s a nicely sized litterbox for an Ocelot but its hardly enough for a grown human to play in. Lead OTOH is FAR more common. You could have a whole beach of lead sand.

Of course if you were to suddenly dump that much plutonium into a sandbox you’d go critical (assuming its Pu-239) which doesn’t happen with lead. Quite the opposite, lead would protect you from that radiation. Plutonium’s primary danger is it’s radioactivity which varies greatly by isotope and concentration whereas the risks of lead are it’s chemical activity.

So no, not the same at all. Arsenic is a far better benchmark.

Casey Blake
Casey Blake
3 days ago
Reply to  Redapple

In human toxicology, the standard measure for lead exposure is micrograms per deciliter of blood. But since you can’t take blood samples from dead people, these researchers had to use PPM. The EPA characterizes levels more than 3.5 micrograms per deciliter as a “level of concern.” And as we’ve gotten better at observing the effects of lead exposure that level has come down to be barely over the minimum amount tests can detect.

Mike F.
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Mike F.
3 days ago

Nice work by those researchers – that’s more of a dramatic correlation than you often see with this sort of work. I hope there are teams in other parts of the US and world working on similar studies. It would be interesting to take the smelters out of the equation (although it doesn’t sound like that would change the results).

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
3 days ago

Leaded gas just tastes better than unleaded. Big government doesn’t want you to know that!

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 days ago

If they ran that PSA on Fox, our problems would be solved in a short amount of time.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
3 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

You’d end up with some emissions-deleted Ram 2500 Diesels rolling leaded coal through all of Appalachia.

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Some people would call that a form of self-inflicted ethic cleansing. Emphasis on self-inflicted.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
3 days ago

Why the AI slop truck/suv in the lead image? It can’t be that hard to find a royalty-free picture of a truck/suv doing a burnout.

Also minus points for the AI slop vehicle being completely the wrong vintage for leaded gas.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
3 days ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

Yes; I would like to also voice my disappointment with AI slop graphics.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
3 days ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

I will cancel my membership if I keep seeing that garbage. I am paying to support real people; not that horse shit.

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
3 days ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

Oh my god I scrolled right past it and didn’t even realize. What a shame. If I were subbed, I’d cancel immediately.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
3 days ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

I’m not sure Pete noticed the AI-ness of it. That image came from our stock photo provider, and Pete only added the smoke and the lady. I’ll tell him about it.

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
3 days ago

Thanks!

Peter Vieira
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Peter Vieira
3 days ago
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Space
Space
3 days ago
Reply to  Peter Vieira

What’s the year, make and model of that car

Peter Vieira
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Peter Vieira
3 days ago
Reply to  Space

Pretty sure that’s a 2026 [fax noises]

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
3 days ago
Reply to  Peter Vieira

Apparently the “Exclude AI images” flag poorly implemented.

Peter Vieira
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Peter Vieira
3 days ago
Reply to  Fire Ball

Yeah, I agree. I was entirely focused on credibly getting the young lady into the smoke.

Last edited 3 days ago by Peter Vieira
Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
3 days ago
Reply to  Peter Vieira

I wonder if someone physically just ‘Shopped an SUV rear end onto what looks like a Chevy Colorado? This thing is going to live rent-free in my head now. lol

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
2 days ago

I had a bit of a dig based on the original image. Google Image sleuthing and a check of Archive.org reveals this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210803181641/https://philkotse.com/car-maintenance/what-is-a-nox-sensor-10143

The scrape date is in 2021, comfortably before the release of any tool that might have been able to make something like this with AI.

The photo itself seems to link back to Alamy, and to a rather generic profile in the name of Akhararat Wathanasing. There are quite a few generic photos of cars that look like they’ve been anonymised with photoshop, and also a fair few photos of a diesel pickup truck doing burnouts:

https://www.alamy.com/climate-change-and-air-pollution-crisis-in-city-from-diesel-vehicle-exhaust-pipe-on-road-image470024064.html?imageid=3239270C-9453-4DCA-87F3-85CE3DA37EEA&pn=6&searchId=6994289a2ac4355bbbb9e3957d09d054&searchtype=11

It looks like the image is a slightly iffy photoshop of a picture in this series.

Peter Vieira
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Peter Vieira
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Wow, that is some sleuthing!

GENERIC_NAME
GENERIC_NAME
2 days ago
Reply to  Peter Vieira

I mean it was either that or do my job, which is really no choice at all.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

Great work! Yeah, I’ve been staring at the image and noticed some weird blending and such going on. To me, it felt more like an amateurish Photoshop rather than AI. That would explain why it got past the AI filter.

Jake Wetherill
Jake Wetherill
2 days ago
Reply to  GENERIC_NAME

I think these are actually based on pictures of modded Thai-market Isuzu D-Max pickups. There’s a huge aftermarket scene for them and they’re often tuned to roll coal

Fire Ball
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Fire Ball
2 days ago
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I guess I should apologize about calling Photoshop slop AI slop. I’m glad the Autopian is actively trying to avoid AI.

Scotticus
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Scotticus
3 days ago

I’m probably going to get absolutely torched for saying this, but I’m convinced the severe issues the planet is having with the “older folks” running the show these days stems from childhood exposure to lead.

Bite Me
Bite Me
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

That’s a pretty common theory so I doubt you’ll get torched. The kids talk a lot about boomers and elder Gen Xers with the “lead poison stare”

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

I read the headline as “Banning Leaded Gas Wasn’t A Good Thing, Says Century-Old Wad Of Hair” and thought the subject of the line was…you know.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

This is actually a fairly common take that’s well within the realm of normal. The negative cognitive effects of lead are well documented by the scientific community, Boomers were exposed to it everywhere, and they’re currently collaborating to burn the entire world to the ground because someone who makes $60,000 a year has they/them in their email signature and that means that despite being paid $1,500,000 a year to be the crusty mad old guy at work who says no and refuses to retire they’re the real victims here…

KevinB
KevinB
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

I (boomer) like to think I have escaped this affliction because a lot of my contemporaries I have grown up with have swung from fairly liberal to bitter old assholes. They’re incapable of having a rational discussion, either.

Balloondoggle
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Balloondoggle
2 days ago
Reply to  KevinB

I’m fighting hard to not be that bitter old asshole as I age. I think a lot of it is simply age itself and not liking the changes that happen naturally in society over time so I work on being accepting of views I don’t necessarily agree with nor have any interest in, but then my “’60’s radical hippie” side wants to go out and mess with some federal agents’ minds. It’s a constant tug-of war.

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Balloondoggle

I like to think the STEM part of me solidified my direction in life, and prevents me from being a closed off, small minded individual.

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

I read somewhere that the people who got the worst of it was those born between 1972-1974. Which is me. Are we running the world yet? I don’t feel like it. Feels more like leftover boomers and Gen Y are in charge, and we kind of got skipped over. But if so, I’m sorry.

Who Knows
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Who Knows
3 days ago
Reply to  Scotticus

Probably a significant part of it, having an entire generation get lead poisoning certainly doesn’t help- https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2118631119

“Estimated lead-linked deficits in cognitive ability were greatest for the 1966 to 1970 cohort (population size ∼20.8 million), which experienced an average deficit of 5.9 IQ points per person. Adjacent cohorts also experienced considerable IQ loss. The 1961 to 1965 cohort experienced a 4.8 IQ point deficit, while the 1971 to 1975 cohort experienced a similar loss of 5.7 IQ points.”

Scoutdude
Scoutdude
2 days ago
Reply to  Who Knows

I see the word estimated and assumption used far to frequently in that study.

10001010
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10001010
3 days ago

I was expecting the “So basically: Lead is bad for you, and you should do your best to avoid it whenever possible” to link to Jason’s https://www.theautopian.com/how-i-used-a-chainsaw-to-remove-batteries-from-the-cheapest-ev-in-the-world/ article.

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Username Loading....
3 days ago

Glad I don’t have all that lead in me, if it was I’m not sure where I would put all these microplastics.

DialMforMiata
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DialMforMiata
3 days ago

There’s always room for microplastics!

D-dub
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D-dub
3 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

They’re wafer-thin!

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
3 days ago
Reply to  D-dub

*Mr. Creosote explodes*

Red865
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Red865
2 days ago

The railroad still uses Creosote….they dumped a pile of fresh new railroad ties next to tracks at work.
Mmmmm….very vintage aroma.

CUlater
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CUlater
1 day ago

The premier Monty Python-oriented automotive site.!

My 0.02 Cents
My 0.02 Cents
3 days ago
Reply to  DialMforMiata

Yup, every time we breathe in.

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
3 days ago

“I just want to say one word to you; microplastics.”
“There’s a great future in microplastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
3 days ago

I would think about it if my brain weren’t clogged with both lead and microplastics. The burden of being Gen X.

Space
Space
3 days ago
Reply to  Rad Barchetta

Any room for asbestos?

Rad Barchetta
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Rad Barchetta
3 days ago
Reply to  Space

Only in my lungs

Nic Periton
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Nic Periton
3 days ago

There is a convincing arguement that lead played a significant role in the fall of the Roman Empire. As the cities grew and spread so did the plumbing, lots of plumbing. Also lead plates, goblets and spoons. Roman milititay strategy deteriorated the architecture became courser and other signs of reduced intelligence. Bone and hair analysis from tombs shows steadily increasing lead level particularly in Rome. Toward the end those levels were very very high.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
3 days ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

It’s so much worse! They were using lead acetate as an artificial sweetener in wine!

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 days ago
Reply to  Nic Periton

They got stupid and made stupid decisions. There is a lot evidence pointing to this.

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

We’re seeing the same thing today. But it’s ideology and religion causing it.

Sid Bridge
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Sid Bridge
3 days ago

The evidence, interestingly, was found by analyzing 100 years’ worth of human hair.”

How did they get to my shower drain without me seeing?

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 days ago
Reply to  Sid Bridge

From below. It’s how the watch you shower. And they have trained the alligators to fetch the samples.

Last edited 3 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I knew it!!!

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago

I highly recommend the book “American Poison” by Daniel Stone, about the development of and the fight against leaded gas. They knew that shit was poison from the jump, but money > all.

TK-421
TK-421
3 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

“money > all”

Luckily we’ve learned our lesson.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

LOL, right!?!?!

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Yes, this. It wasn’t necessary, but GM and DuPont saw dollar signs. And that bastard Midgely made it happen.

One of his other contributons was the development of fluorocarbons. These are nearly indestructible molecules that make up the “forever chemicals” scourge we’re dealing with today, and were a main contributor to the destruction of the ozone layer by breaking down in solar radiation while high up in the atmosphere.

And, of course, since the EPA was successful in avoiding TOTAL disaster thanks to regulations, the willfully ignorant will scoff and say it was never a problem, instead of saying “thank you” and realizing there is another way besides extraction and consumption.

These are the same people who thought Y2K was overblown vs. an example of getting ahead of a problem.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

I’m with you 100%

Craig Dillon
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Craig Dillon
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

Midgley is a great cautionary tale for all engineers and scientist. He did almost kill himself trying to prove TEL was safe when people around the plant were concerned about its dangers by handling it during a meeting.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Craig Dillon

Practically bathed in it

Howie
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Howie
3 days ago
Reply to  Craig Dillon

If I recall he died from it eventually

JJ
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JJ
3 days ago
Reply to  Craig Dillon

He’s responsible for more premature deaths than anyone in history. Literally poisoned the entire planet.

Frank C.
Frank C.
2 days ago
Reply to  Craig Dillon

Not really. He let his ego and reluctance to be labeled wrong (and greed) overcome him. I can say most STEM people have a burned in level of integrity. He was an also an artifact of his time, looking at his background.

Spaghetti Cat
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Spaghetti Cat
3 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

Never, ever think a corporation has the public good in mind. They only exist to make the most money possible. The people who are afflicted with the current brand of corporate idolatry are overdue for a rude awakening.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  Spaghetti Cat

Absolutely.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
3 days ago

Woohoo! Love to see the U of U get highlighted here. That’s my alma mater and a great school. The campus is right at the base of the mountains and is such a great place to spend some time.

Yngve
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Yngve
3 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

Ditto. And I can only imagine that the impact was particularly observable in samples originating in the valley due to the inversions.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
3 days ago
Reply to  Yngve

Maybe, but the inversion has only been a thing for the last 20 or so years I thought no?

Edit: I forget how old I am. 30ish years

Last edited 3 days ago by Brandon Forbes
Yngve
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Yngve
3 days ago
Reply to  Brandon Forbes

The condition itself is a weather phenomenon…the visible pollution is more recent, and driven by a combination of civilian/commercial traffic and the oil refineries.

That said, I can only assume that the underlying conditions still gave rise to the capture of particulates (and in this case, lead) in the valley since it was originally settled, and as such would include vehicular lead emissions.

Brandon Forbes
Brandon Forbes
2 days ago
Reply to  Yngve

That’s fair. Ok I agree.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
3 days ago

Leaded gas, a Thomas Midgley Jr greatest hit. He’s pretty inarguably the single most environmentally destructive human being of all time, as he also gave us Freon. We probably don’t talk about him enough actually, he’s a great case study in how much harm a single idiot can do without really trying. I’m sure his actual body count is somewhere in the tens of millions, and we’re still dealing with the harm he did 80 years after his death.

Edit: apparently leaded gas alone is believed to have contributed to over 100 million deaths by itself….

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Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago

In my comment, I linked a book that he plays a large role in. It’s a shame he didn’t die while developing leaded gas. He almost did, and still insisted it was safe, because he was so obsessed with how much money it would make him.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

He DID eventually die from cancer, probably self inflicted, definitely well-deserved

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

True. He also completely alienated himself from his family. Good riddance.

Howie
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Howie
3 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

If I recall, he did die from his intentional exposure. What a capitalististic prick.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
3 days ago
Reply to  Howie

Eventually, yes, but the world would be a better place of it happened a lot sooner.

Craig Dillon
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Craig Dillon
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

He had polio and was strangled by a device he built to help him get in and out of bed. There is debate if it was intentional.

That was when Dayton Ohio was a tech hub for the world and Detroit was one of, if not the richest cities in the US. I expect there will be plenty of folks who can find fault with the way we lived now that far in the future.

Hondaimpbmw 12
Hondaimpbmw 12
2 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

I believe some of the approbation stems from Presentism; I.e. with our current knowledge and morales, we would never do such a thing. Like scorning Washington & Jefferson because they held slaves, when that was the culture of the time.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
1 day ago
Reply to  Hondaimpbmw 12

That lets them off the hook. They knew it was wrong to own humans, but … free labor.

Ferguson, Turd
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Ferguson, Turd
2 days ago
Reply to  Shop-Teacher

I first read about him a few years back. You can imagine the reaction I had since my mom’s maiden name is Midgley. I’m probably very distantly related to the guy.

Shop-Teacher
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Shop-Teacher
2 days ago
Reply to  Ferguson, Turd

Ugh! User name checks out! 😉

Kleinlowe
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Kleinlowe
3 days ago

When people I know are feeling bad, I always remind them ‘You may feel bad, but you’ll never be as much of a fuckup as Thomas Midgley Jr’. The best part is his final invention killed him!

Howie
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Howie
3 days ago
Reply to  Kleinlowe

Yup!

Rod Millington
Rod Millington
3 days ago

Veritasium has a really good video on him too.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
3 days ago

For a digestible overview of the whole situation, beginning to end, highly recommend the segment of the Cosmos: a Spacetime Odyssey series on it. It’s one of the highlights for sure.

Spopepro
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Spopepro
3 days ago

I really appreciate these studies and stories because it shows the decisions we make matter, and sometimes on a faster scale than we think. So often there’s defeatist thinking of “well, what we do won’t really matter anyway so let’s just have fun now.”

But we banned DDT and I now get to see California Condors in the wild, and lots of other raptors. We made everyone switch refrigerants and the ozone layer stabilized, and looks to fully recover 20 years from now. And now we see removing automotive leaded fuel results in a couple orders of magnitude less absorption in a generation or two. Choices we make collectively really do matter.

4jim
4jim
3 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Well said! And of course there is an entire chunk of the population who constantly screams against anything to help and every environmental law.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
3 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Not to mention, rivers in Ohio don’t randomly catch on fire like they used to, and the skies of southern California are no longer permanently tinted the color of Pepsi

4jim
4jim
3 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

I actually had a guy (conservative engineer) argue with me that so-cal air is worse now than when he was a kid growing up there.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
3 days ago
Reply to  4jim

To be fair to him, it was radical left wingers like Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon that gave us CARB and the EPA

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Nixon only did it because he was so unpopular- it was a ploy to get the youth vote. And he backstopped it with criming, of course.

The EPA commissioned the Documerica project- if you want to see how disgusting it was back then thanks to pollution. The photogs were trained by WPA vets who documented the depression

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Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
3 days ago
Reply to  Dan Roth

You know that was like two years before he was up for reelection, which is an eternity in the memory of the average voter, any momentary popularity boost from something done that early in a term is long gone by the time the election happens. But maybe people had longer attention spans back then, I don’t know, but he did win in ’72 with 61% of the popular vote, something unthinkable for the past 34 years or so

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  Ranwhenparked

Yes – but also the REST of what was going on, beyond the police preserving disorder in Chicago and dirty tricks, was Civil Rights, Black Panthers, social unrest, and the possibility of real gains for the marginalized, and we can’t have that. (Seriously – I mention the Black Panthers because the way the feds cracked down on them was breathtakingly awful and everyone should know about it)

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 days ago
Reply to  4jim

Definitely did a lot of lead lines in his day with that thinking. Coke was too expensive.

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
3 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

It was awful, all of those people giving California Condors DDTs.

https://youtu.be/kxc6RCRpj0A?si=WoFp6C6JZ9Y2GWsV

Phonebem
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Phonebem
3 days ago

I was hoping the link would be that…

Taargus Taargus
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Taargus Taargus
2 days ago
Reply to  Phonebem

I’m just glad at least one person appreciated it lol.

Phonebem
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Phonebem
2 days ago

I first pictured a montage of Jake the Snake DDT’s (since it was his signature/finisher) but this is more than close enough.

Angry Bob
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Angry Bob
3 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

I wish they’d phased out R12 a little less aggressively. I spent my teens and early 20’s driving without air conditioning. Fortunately I didn’t know that propane is a drop-in replacement for R12, or I probably wouldn’t be here today.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
3 days ago
Reply to  Spopepro

Let’s reintroduce wild Grizzly bears to California. Preferably in Orange County.

Auto Guy
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Auto Guy
3 days ago

“Century old Wad of Hair.” Thought you were meant Cadet Bone Spurs for a minute. His mental state is consistent with lead poisoning.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Auto Guy
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Auto Guy
3 days ago

The “leaded gas is better!” types have evolved into the “I want to delete* my diesel truck” types. We all breathe the same air, people. This is insanity.

*catalytic converter, EGR, diesel particulate filter

JJ
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JJ
3 days ago
Reply to  Auto Guy

and next will be “put lead back in our gas!”

4jim
4jim
3 days ago
Reply to  JJ

Next week’s “executive order”

D-dub
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D-dub
3 days ago
Reply to  JJ

Lead-free gas causes autism!

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
3 days ago
Reply to  D-dub

Lead-free gas causes microchips! And will make gravity stop!

Aaronaut
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Aaronaut
3 days ago
Reply to  JJ

I only cook with beef tallow and I only drink leaded milk!

4jim
4jim
3 days ago

I know too many old conservative men still complaining and belly aching about the damn governmental regulations and how dare the government mess with their use of lead.
The old site (before it went to total hell) Had a great 10 part series on this.

JTilla
JTilla
3 days ago
Reply to  4jim

Regulations are just laws for corporations and of course it is “laws for thee but not for me”. Without regulations we would not have clean water and of course with the morons in charge, that is happening again.

TK-421
TK-421
3 days ago
Reply to  JTilla

Our northern Ohio area for my Star Wars group (501st Legion) named themselves “Burning River Squad”.

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

The Cuyahoga caught on fire a lot.

Truthfully – the oil/petroleum slicks on the surface (oil floats on water…) was what caught, of course. And think about how difficult that might be to extinguish. You’re going ti splatter burning oil if you spray it with water. Ever have a grease fire on your stive? Gotta smother it. These days, that means a PFAS foam. Real problem before thta existed. More of a “stand back, boys and let it burn itself out”

VS 57
VS 57
3 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

Hey, ho, way to go Ohio…

Rick Cavaretti
Rick Cavaretti
3 days ago
Reply to  VS 57

Five points for Pretenders lyrics.

VS 57
VS 57
2 days ago
Reply to  Rick Cavaretti

I’ll take those points of a certain age.

Howie
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Howie
3 days ago
Reply to  VS 57

Well, the Flats don’t exist anymore

Beached Wail
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Beached Wail
3 days ago
Reply to  TK-421

Cleveland, city of light, city of magic
Cleveland, city of light, you’re calling me
Cleveland, even now I can remember
‘Cause the Cuyahoga River goes smoking through my dreams

Burn on, big river, burn on
Burn on, big river, burn on

Now the Lord can make you tumble
The Lord can make you turn
The Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can’t make you burn

-Randy Newman “Burn On”

Dan Roth
Dan Roth
3 days ago
Reply to  4jim

My entire childhood, I heard complaints from old guys about how gas now isn’t any good. And even in ’50s back issues of Modern Mechanix, Tom Mcahill called it “smelly water”

George Talbot
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George Talbot
1 day ago
Reply to  4jim

I literally remember my dad in the late 70s and early 80s saying that the lead lubricated the valve seats and was necessary for older cars. This was true at one time, but improved metallurgy had made this not true … by 1936. It was a classic lie from the big oil crowd at the time.

4jim
4jim
1 day ago
Reply to  George Talbot

I heard the same lie at the same time.

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