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For Just A Single Year, Honda Tried To Sell Americans A Weird 50cc Motorcycle That Went 55 MPH And Could Fit A Real Adult

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The small-bore motorcycle is a deeply underrated way to get around. It’s so fun to take a motorcycle that has practically no power and wring it out to its fullest potential, knowing you’ll never reach speeds that would have you spending a night in the slammer. In 1982, Honda sold one of the ultimate motorcycles for this philosophy. The MB5, which sold for only a single year in America, was a 50cc wonder that had only seven ponies in the stable, revved to 10,500 RPM, and you could ride it like an absolute maniac and probably never get a speeding ticket.

America has gone through a bit of a small-bore revolution in recent years. Many riders are ignoring the rolling La-Z-Boys of Milwaukee and the sofas of Spirit Lake for smaller, more affordable fare. A Honda Grom packs only 9.7 horsepower in the 124.9cc single under its tank, and the little bike makes every single one work as you have more fun going only 55 mph than you would on a much more powerful bike going 155 mph. These are motorcycles that you do all kinds of stunts on and even drag a knee around corners on without finding yourself on the wrong side of the law.

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That’s just the Grom. There’s a whole world of fun, tiny motorcycles out there. The CFMoto Papio SS looks like a racing motorcycle, but barely exceeds 60 mph. The Honda Trail125 gets you off the beaten path without too much complexity. The Honda Navi is the most accessible motorcycle on the new market. If you ride across the street, there’s Royal Enfield, which has nothing but affordable bikes with killer style, bold colors, and real metal, many of which have small engines. Even Triumph has gotten into the small engine game.

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All of these machines offer some surprising thrill without an intimidating package. Any rider of any skill level could enjoy these motorcycles. Use them to ride to work, use them to ride through the country, or use them to work on the farm. Go ahead, bang off every gear and redline the engine to your heart’s content. Just swing a leg over the seat, point the bars in a direction, and have fun.

If you’re looking for a great example of the “slow car fast” philosophy, but applied to motorcycles, Honda had just the thing, but only in 1981 for the 1982 model year for Americans. The Honda MB5 had an engine so small that, depending on the state, you didn’t even need a proper motorcycle endorsement for it. Yet, it was basically a scaled-down race replica that was way faster than it looked.

The Sport Moped

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Puch VS50S – Credit: Rinky Toys

The Honda MB5 existed in a sort of weird category called the sport moped. In 1972, the United Kingdom limited 16-year-olds from riding motorcycles with more than 50cc of displacement until they turned 17 years old. In theory, this meant that teens would have to ride slower, safer step-through style mopeds until the government believed they were old enough to handle more muscle.

You’d think that this wasn’t that big of a deal. However, teenagers were a sizable slice of motorcycle sales back then. This led to an era where manufacturers took the friendly moped and souped it up. The sports moped resembled a larger race replica and even went faster than a standard moped, but fit neatly in the letter of the law, but not really the spirit of it.

The market was flooded with all kinds of 50cc steeds from Gilera and Puch to Suzuki and Garelli. Honda was at a disadvantage here at first.

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Honda

The two-stroke engine ruled the 50cc space thanks to its ability to crank out a relative mountain of power for a given displacement. However, historically, Honda was married to the four-stroke engine. A Garelli Rekord made around 6.5 horsepower while a Yamaha FS1-E had 4.8 ponies in its stable. Honda? At the time, it wanted 16-year-olds to ride the SS50 (above), which had all of 2.5 ponies to its name. 1977 would bring another change, as the government limited 50cc bikes to 30 mph.

Honda Goes Two-Stroke

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Honda’s response was to embrace the two-stroke principle, but do it Honda style. Big Red launched the reed-valve two-stroke MT50 and MB50, the former an off-road scrambler moped, while the MB50 was a sports moped. Classic Motorbikes explains the meat and potatoes:

The M series could have been a stroke of genius from a production point of view at least, if only Honda had chosen to use the same chassis and components for both machines, but looking in detail reveals the MT and MB are actually quite different in every respect. A good example of this is the main frame, each model is similar looking from the outside but, once stripped of their bodywork, the two machines are actually completely different. It’s the same story with the fuel capacity, the MB has a larger range, 9litres compared to the MT’s 6.8, with the former machines tank running right under the seat to provide the extra space. This area under the seat on the MT is home to the 1.5 litre two stroke oil tank while strangely the MB, has the smaller oil tank at 1.1ltrs and situated right up front near the head stock.

In typical Honda style, the MT and MB engines were complex, overly so in many eyes. The engine features a balance shaft, driven from the large straight cut primary gear on the clutch basket. This wasn’t a direct drive either, but rather via an idler gear mounted on the casing, adding weight and power sapping complexity in the process. The use of potentially noisy, straight cut gears, was a relatively good one, as the usual helical primary gears do eat up even more power and, with a mere 2.55 BHP to play with, all attempts at saving even the smallest part of a horse power were most welcome. The noise issue was addressed with a complex anti backlash arrangement on the idler gears. The balancer shaft also spins above the 5-speed gearbox helping to spray the lubricant over the gear wheels as it dampens out the vibes.

Owners of the Honda MT soon came in for a shock when it came to unrestricting the engine to liberate a bit more power. This practice was commonplace among ‘ped owners and, although dealers may have been reluctant to get involved, the knowledge was freely available, as were a host of go faster parts. Unfortunately the Honda was not a simple machine to do this sort of work to, whereas the majority of 50s are held back by a restriction in the exhaust, the MT suffered a more complete method, with the carburettor, barrel, exhaust and even the CDI ignition all being used to downsize the power output and keep it within the letter or the UK learner law. This meant in effect that there was little that could be done, save for importing parts from countries that didn’t have such restrictive laws, which, being a time well before global trade, the internet etc, was simply not possible.

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The MB50 was the road-going sporty derivative of the series. It was distributed in the UK from 1979 to 1981, while sales soldiered on to 1988 in other parts of Europe. For just a single model year, 1982, the MB50 made it across the pond to North America, where it was named the MB5.

Honda marketed the MB5 as being a full-size bike, but with a teacup of an engine, perfect for a teenager. It was a simple unit, too, featuring a 66-watt alternator and a kickstarter. However, reportedly, you didn’t even need to use the kickstarter because, if your MB5 was tuned well enough, it would practically start on its own once you got it off the center stand. It was pretty light, too, at 198 pounds wet.

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If you were lucky enough to live in a country with looser rules on 50cc bikes, the MB50 and MB5 were a properly silly machine. Without the aforementioned restrictions in place, the 49cc engine in the MB5 made an impressive 7 horsepower. In 1982, motorcycle legend Craig Vetter challenged the writers of Cycle World to a motorcycle fuel economy challenge. The magazine’s choice was a Honda C70 Passport and the new MB5. Cycle World details more about the MB5:

The MB5 is an all-new addition to the Honda line, offering many features normally found only on larger, more expensive sport bikes. It has a 50cc piston-port two-stroke engine with a 10,500 rpm redline and a gear driven counterbalancer to reduce engine vibration. It has automatic oil injection from a tank hidden under a cover that appears to be the front of the gas tank, as well as breakerless CDI ignition. Other features not usually lavished on 50s are complete instrumentation, hydraulic front disc brake, ComStar wheels and a full tubular steel frame done in an X configuration.

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The engine, particularly the cylinder head, has huge cooling fins on it, the kind more commonly found on competition dirt machines. Unlike the swing-axle Passport, it also has real hydraulic telescopic front forks, with 4.9 in. of travel. The gas tank holds 2.4 gal., compared with the Passport’s 1.1 gal. Honda’s literature lists the MB5 as weighing 8 lb. less than the Passport dry, but the extra oil and fuel in the MB5 even the score. Our scales had the MB5 at 198 lb. with half a tank of gas and the Passport tipping 190 lb. Suffice it to say that neither bike demands brutal strength to muscle around the garage. After climbing off a GS1100 with a fairing you feel like you’re handling a cardboard cutout of a motorcycle.

The 10,500 rpm redline is a clue to the MB5’s power curve; 39mm pistons don’t make horsepower by loafing around, they have to get up and move. In the MB5’s case that movement makes itself known as something resembling forward thrust at around 8000 rpm and pushes out a nice little burst of power right up to redline. Getting off the line with any alacrity demands a big handful of revs and a coordinated slippage of the clutch. Once the bike is under way the five-speed close-ratio transmission allows you to keep the engine riled up and churning it out. You can cruise along easily below 8000 rpm, however, as long as no sudden acceleration is called for.

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Cycle World‘s story is fantastic, and I highly recommend reading further than the snippet I cut out. Editor Allan Girdler, who didn’t like the baby Hondas because they reminded him of scooters and mopeds, had Peter Egan and Managing Editor Steve Kimball ride to the challenge and back. That meant 700 miles of riding on a pair of Hondas that didn’t even have big enough engines to legally ride on the freeway.

One of my favorite notes in that article explained how, even though Peter and Steve rode around at only 45 mph, they were still passing drivers in lumbering V8 sedans who were going even slower. Apparently, it took them riding the tiny Hondas to realize just how slow some people actually drove back then.

The MB5’s Feats

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The results of the fuel economy challenge were impressive. The MB5 averaged 139 mpg while the Passport returned an astonishing 198 mpg. Even when ridden at wide open throttle all day, the MB5 returned 81 mpg, and the Passport got 102 mpg.

The MB5 scored some impressive feats before Cycle World even did the fuel economy challenge. In January 1982, Bill Herndon wrote about riding an MB5 some 1,500 miles from Mexico to Canada in eight days.

The MB5 experienced no flat tires and needed only two spark plugs to complete the journey. Bill wanted a spare engine just in case, but since the MB5 was so new, American Honda didn’t have any. Yet, a spare wasn’t needed. Bill rode the MB5 at full throttle for basically the whole trip, and the bike held together. Amusingly, he even figured out a hack to get around the fact that the MB5 didn’t have a big enough engine for the interstate, and attached some flat black cans to the bike to make it look like it had a bigger engine. According to Cycle News, Bill achieved the feat of being the first recorded person to successfully ride a 50cc motorcycle solo across the continental United States.

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Then there was the story of Michael Becker, who took an MB5 to 60.757 mph at Bonneville Speed Week in 1981, setting a new 50cc speed record.

Cycle World was impressed with the MB5, considering its limitations. In his review, Peter admitted that the magazine believed the MB5 rode the fine line between toy and legitimate transportation. In the end, Cycle World would conclude that the MB5 could be used for real transportation, but it was more for around town than the crazy 700-mile journey that Peter and Steve took Honda’s 1980s mini motorcycles on. The MB5 was even affordable at only $798 ($2,752 in 2026), though probably out of reach for many teens at the time.

The MB5 Was In A Tough Spot

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Unfortunately, the MB5 never really found a footing in the American motorcycle market. As Motorcyclist magazine writes, power-hungry American motorcycle buyers largely skipped the baby Honda. A large part of it was due to American licensing schemes. Here in America, you can buy a literbike immediately after getting your motorcycle endorsement. Another problem was the MB5’s design. It was a “noped” in that it didn’t have a set of pedals that could propel it. The bike also had a five-speed transmission. To some states, the MB5 wasn’t a moped, but a motorcycle.

Basically, if you wanted a true moped, there were cheaper options. If you wanted a more traditional motorcycle, there were faster options. The MB5 sort of sat in between. The sports moped made sense in Europe due to regulations, but was more of a niche here in America.

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The awesome thing is that while the MB5 might have failed to capture a market, riders of the modern day are rediscovering Honda’s little forgotten sports moped. There are folks out there who restore and modify MB5s. They’ve gotten a sort of second life as a lightweight, offbeat way to get around. It’s almost like a Honda Grom before there was a Honda Grom.

It’s not known how many MB5s Honda sold in America, but given the fact that it’s a one-year model and is 44 years old, it’s considered to be rare. That said, this isn’t a situation where rare equates to value, as it’s easy to find a running example for $1,500, maybe less.

The Honda MB5 was a fascinating experiment for American Honda. It was a bike that worked overseas and sort of slotted between two different types of two-wheeler in America. It was fast for a 50cc, and big enough for an adult rider. But in America, it was a one-year wonder. But for some, that might be a good thing. If you’re looking for a sort of weird, tiny, high-revving bike and don’t want the same thing as everyone else, maybe check your local classifieds and see if there’s a cheap MB5 in your future.

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Calle Carlquist
Calle Carlquist
1 month ago

I had one in wonderful original condition a couple of years ago. Engineering quality in a class of its own and immensely fun to drive.

Gen3 Volt
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Gen3 Volt
1 month ago

I don’t know how I missed this, even though I was wed to my 150cc Vespa at the time.

Guillaume Maurice
Guillaume Maurice
1 month ago

I had a MTX 50 as a teenager.
(the next generation from the MT 50, it even closely looked like the MT 50)

It was basically indestructable and didn’t look like a moped. I did something like 10K kms on mine and my little brother added 6K km to it… It was then sold cheap to another teenager that added more kms when my brother graduated to 250cc motorcycles after gettinng his driving license.

The only difference between the 49.9cc, the 80cc and the 125cc MTX was the engine. You couldn’t tell the difference between the 80 and 125 as both were liquid cooled while it was easy to detect the 50cc… it was initially air coooled.

And once you cut a wire or two (to remove the 50Km/h speed limitation) you definitely could get a speeding ticket while going downhill. (I could reach more than 80Km/h going down the street when I lived (13% slope for a kilometer or so). On a flat road removing the speed limitation only brought 10 to 15 more km.

Steve Walton
Steve Walton
1 month ago

I had a Honda 90 that looked like the bastard child of a CB350. It was honestly a great little bike.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve Walton

I had a Honda 90, and when they built I-5 it went for a mile through our farm. There was about a two year period between when they finished the part where we were and when anything was connected to it and it was opened to traffic. I would take my Honda 90 and see how fast I could go. It was about 60, but my elbows and knees had to be just so and only have my right hand on the grip an my left on the fork.
It was totally pointless and lots of fun for a 12 year old. Not nearly as fast as the neighbors twin McCulloch kart though.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 month ago

The MB5 is street legal and Kei cars aren’t. What a world. My goodness, that SS50 is lovely. That’s my kind of slow.

Scott A
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Scott A
1 month ago

My high school friend owned one while he was in college.

Eric Udell
Eric Udell
1 month ago

I remember these, I was around when they came out but too young to get on one ( though I learned to ride on a friend’s Honda 80cc dirt bike in the early 80s ). Cut to about 7 years later and I was looking for a fun way to get around and took a used MB5 for a test drive.

The really fun bit was that you could ride like you were in in a MotoGP race all the time and you’d only be moving a bit faster than the 35 MPH traffic around you. The throttle basically had three settings, On, full and maintain speed. Twist it until it ran out of thrust, back off for a fraction of a second while shifting, repeat. That turned out to be the bad part, too, so I ended up with a CX500 for not a lot more money and that was ultimately a better transportation decision.

A few years later I lived in Key West and bought a Kawasaki KE100 ( two stroke, 100cc rotary valve “enduro” )because it was better than a scooter and that was pretty similar, though a tiny bit faster. The KE100 is easier to find these days since they made a bunch more of them, from the mid 70’s until like 2001. Still, every trip to the grocery store felt like a race and there was almost always a smile on my face when I rode it. Until it ate a piston ring and wasn’t worth fixing.

These days I find myself looking at either an old CT110 or a new 125 Trail, but all the back roads here are 55 MPH and I don’t really want to be that guy going 10 under the speed limit while inconsiderate and impatient cars and trucks try to find their way past me on a road that’s barely big enough for two cars to pass and the shoulder is made of a 6 foot deep ditch.

I don’t know why, but the Passport 70 referenced in the Cycle World article was also a fascination for me, though I have never been on one. They just looked so…practical…and for some reason, that was appealing.

I wish I lived somewhere I felt I could enjoy riding something low powered, but the road at the end of my driveway is 55 MPH.

Last edited 1 month ago by Eric Udell
Eggsalad
Eggsalad
1 month ago

I 100% agree that the failure of the MB5 in the US was due to the legislative black hole. If you didn’t or couldn’t get a motorcycle endorsement, you were stuck (in most states) with a 50cc engine without a clutch, and a top speed of 35mph. And if you did get your motorcycle endorsement, you probably wanted more bike than this.

Similar story with Honda (and other) mopeds/bikes with 50-100cc engines, like the C70 Passport and Elite 70. Once you’d gone through the trouble of getting that endorsement, there were better choices from 125-150cc.

Paul_Walkers_Brother
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Paul_Walkers_Brother
1 month ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

When I got my first MB5 I wanted to be as legal as possible (a first for me) and I actually petitioned the DMV for a motorcycle plate since the MB5 has a clutch and is faster than 35mph as you pointed out in your reply – puts it in a weird area, they sent it all the way to HQ and rejected me haha

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago

I had no idea these ever existed… thanks Mercedes! 😀

I think it’s awesome! My Suzuki Vanvan 200 is about 280 lbs. and honestly, it’s too much for my L3/4/5 vertebre… I can pick it up, but jeez it hurts when I do (and for days after). I wish I knew somebody with a MB5 who’d let me ride a few circles around a parking lot just to try it out… under 200 lbs. seems like a lot less. Those slender/full-size three-spoke wheels are pretty, but look a bit fragile (not that I ever drive up curbs). $1,500. feels fair for one of these used.

Now I want one dammit! Even if it’s unlikely that having one will get me looked at admiringly by a trio of pretty girls with Farrah Fawcett hair in a parking lot, as in that last ad. 😉

Paul_Walkers_Brother
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Paul_Walkers_Brother
1 month ago

They also used to give these away on the Price is Right!

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
1 month ago

15 years ago I saw an MB5 sell for $25 at a South Dakota farm auction, would have matched that bid but had already bought a Yamaha MX250 for $15…

John B Patson
John B Patson
1 month ago

These were incredibly popular in South Africa in the late 1970s early 80s. At the time there was a far bigger biker culture than now, and if memory serves, you could ride them from age 14.
Not just Honda, there were Yammies and Kwackers too.

Ian van Zyl
Ian van Zyl
1 month ago
Reply to  John B Patson

Started at least in the 60s in South Africa – you could get a licence for 50cc at 16, full drivers licence only at 18. Lots of 16 and 17 year olds (including me) rode these “buzz bikes” as they were known. The most popular models were from Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha but I recall there were a couple of other obscure makes as well. To get the licence you applied for a Learners Licence which required a basic road rules test, after which you could ride unrestricted for a short period – a month or two as I recall. Then you converted it to a <50cc licence with a road test. Mine consisted of riding up the road for a block, making a U turn and riding back to the test official standing on the sidewalk.

FECBC
FECBC
1 month ago
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Hi John I got a MT5 here in South Africa as my first street legal bike when I turned 16 and got my licence. This was referred to as a 50 licence and that was all you could ride legally until you turned 18. Our versions of the MB5 and MT5 were similar to the two in the ad with the cosplay bondage ladies. The MB5 never came with knobblies and it had the same bikini style fairing as in that picture. I was racing BMX on a national level and sponsored by a bike shop that sold KTM, Maico and Husky, so of course I went with the dirt style MT5. My dad was an old bike racer and motor mech back in England, so of course we skimmed the head, gutted the exhaust and re-jetted the carb and it would see 90 kmh on a good day, down a mineshaft with the wind behind you.
In the early 80’s it was all the rage to put extensions on your forks and back shocks on XT and TT 500’s, so of course all of us did the same to our 50’s. The forks were extended buy getting someone with a lathe to turn 3 inch long extensions that screwed into the top of the forks and the MT5 came with rear foot pegs, so we just moved the shocks from their standard mountings a bit forward and used the mountings from the rear foot pegs which gave you about the same lift at the back. This of course did wonders for the handling with the swing-arm following the same line as a ski ramp. It made it wheelie much better though. Needless to say after I flipped the bike enough times the extensions got the elbow. Great bike until I stuck it under a Toyota Hilux that jumped a stop sign, at night and in the rain. I laid the bike down and slid into the Hilux at about 40 Kmh and I was lucky and hit the leaf spring with my shoulder behind the back wheel, but my left foot was under the bike when the Hilux went over the bike and this why I walk with a limp forty years later.
Sorry for the lengthy reply but you are correct, South Africa had and still has a great bike culture. Maybe I should write and submit an article or two from this end of Africa about the bikes and other motor vehicle history of RSA. BMW 333I or the Ford Sierra XR8 just for starters.

John B Patson
John B Patson
1 month ago
Reply to  FECBC

The kombis with Ford V6 motors were good too, and not even that thirsty compared to a hard working original. VW even took the idea up with later kombis which came from the factory with Audi 5 cylinders….

Jatkat
Jatkat
1 month ago

The Yamaha GT80 is sort of a similar class of bike. Big enough for a little adult, with enough scooch to work on actual roads. I still have my 1979 GT80, such a sweet little bike.

Sklooner
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Sklooner
1 month ago

My dad wanted to get one of these to commute to work, mom vetoed that right away

Al Lenz
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Al Lenz
1 month ago

You meet the nicest people on a Honda!!

Mike Harrell
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Mike Harrell
1 month ago

…reed-valve…

Whoa, that’s way too fancy. I’ll stick with piston-port engines, thanks.

Last edited 1 month ago by Mike Harrell
Elhigh
Elhigh
1 month ago

I’ve always thought that the minimum bike I’d consider for myself would be a 250; maybe a 400 if I occasionally wanted to get on the interstate. I know some 250s are more than enough to duke it out with highway traffic but I would want a bit of headroom to not strain the engine.

But the idea of getting by with just 50cc, even a two-stroke, is boggling. That’s really the last step before pedaling.

Isis
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Isis
1 month ago
Reply to  Elhigh

I had an 03 Ninja 250 and it would break 100mph with and exhaust and re-jet. It got tossed by crosswinds on the highway due to the kite-like bodywork. I have a 125 Monkey now and keep it off the highway, it also has an exhaust and a tune, so it can get into the 60’s on a flat, but gets bogged down to 45 on steeper hills. I think the current trend of 350 for a starter bike is probably a sweet spot.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago
Reply to  Elhigh

I tried that myself. First with a 250cc, then a 400cc. Neither was anywhere near powerful enough to feel truly comfortable in traffic. There just wasn’t enough to get out of the way when you needed to, especially if there was a hill, a headwind, or both. The 250 wasn’t nearly enough for country back roads and state highways, much less the interstate.

The 650cc single cylinder Suzuki Savage was briefly good enough to be comfortable on the highway, but only for a short time while people driving cars were staying close to the 65mph speed limit. You can’t be confident in 70mph traffic if your top speed is 74mph. So it was a very timid ride out on the “real” highways.

These days, with common traffic speeds approaching 85-90 mph, there’s no way I’d ride anything slower than the 750cc Honda Nighthawk I had and loved. A 600cc four cylinder sport bike might be enough, but I want 750cc minimum for a standard bike or cruiser.

I do love smaller, slower bikes, but to me they’re pretty much for city, county roads, and off-road use only.

SarlaccRoadster
SarlaccRoadster
1 month ago

A 600cc four cylinder sport bike might be enough, but I want 750cc minimum for a standard bike or cruiser.

A 600cc inline-4 supersport has over 120HP and will go twice as fast as anything you might encounter on a highway, especially any kind of ‘cruiser’ LOL

You’d break the speed limit in 1st gear, and then you have 5 more to go.

I doubt you’ve ever been on a 4cyl bike 🙂

Last edited 1 month ago by SarlaccRoadster
PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago

I already pointed out that a 600cc sportbike would probably be fine. They’re a bit light for me in strong crosswinds when passing semi trucks, but those conditions are rare enough that I would still consider one, if not for the heavy on the wrists riding position.

Apparently you didn’t know that the Nighthawk 750 that I already mentioned is a 4 cylinder motorcycle, and it’s not the only one I’ve owned.

Doubt my experience all you want. Keep being wrong. Or temper your comments a bit in the spirit of a better place for discussions.

Elhigh
Elhigh
1 month ago

A 650 single?

That must really rattle the boys after a while.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago
Reply to  Elhigh

It’s definitely a different experience.

But they smooth out quickly as the revs build, and my Savage shook less than an average Harley.

Haywood Giablomi
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Haywood Giablomi
1 month ago

Why would anyone want to ride on the freeway to begin with?

Gen3 Volt
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Gen3 Volt
1 month ago

A question I asked myself as my kitted-out Vespa did a soft seizure on the NY Thruway that one time and I pulled in the clutch just quickly enough to avoid going splat with a car maybe a full second behind me doing 65mph.

PaysOutAllNight
PaysOutAllNight
1 month ago

It’s not always that you want to.

It’s simply that the freeways are sometimes the only decent roads available between where you are and where you really want to ride.

And in some places, the lesser roads aren’t any more interesting than the freeways, and they’re a lot less safe. They expose you to careless drivers at intersections and driveways that you don’t have to deal with when on an interstate or turnpike.

Matt Sexton
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Matt Sexton
1 month ago

Have never seen this model before, and now I desperately want one.

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago
Reply to  Matt Sexton

Join the club. It’s Friday as I write this. Though it makes no sense, I’d buy one tomorrow if I could find a decent one in/around LA for $1,500.

B3n
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B3n
1 month ago

In Germany, the 50cc two stroke, but “high” power, 2-up motorcycles were their own category, a special class of unrestricted 50cc bikes.
Examples are the Kreidler Florett RS, Zündapp KS50 and Hercules K50 Ultra, even early KTM had these models such as the 50 RSW, and on the east side Simson.
Perhaps Italy had some bikes to compete in this category as well, there was an Aprilia Touareg 50cc too.
There was a whole world of these out there, largely forgotten by now, but they were proof that 50cc toy.

Robert Houghton
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Robert Houghton
1 month ago

The MB5 is sideways how I got into motorcycles. Ari and Zach back when they were at Motorcyclist had a show called “On Two Wheels.” My favorite episode is when they take a Ural sidecar hack and ride across southern California in search of an MB5. I was really looking into sidecars at the time and ended up getting a Ural which was my first non-scooter motorcycle.

The next episode they took that MB5 and did a 24 hour race on it.

I could not find those episodes on youtube but I did find it on DailyMotion: Ural: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tvy91
MB5 24 hour race: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tvzcq

Mazdarati
Mazdarati
1 month ago

I remember this! A two-stroke was so unusual for Honda. Came out at the time I bought a GS750.

Paul_Walkers_Brother
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Paul_Walkers_Brother
1 month ago

MB5 is a great bike. But they are pretty dang heavy for the size, those comstar wheels didn’t help. They are pretty slow unless you slip the clutch and rev it way out, which makes it more fun anyway. I rode mine 200 miles one day to Richmond just to see if I could, that was not a fun ride but it did it no problem. Oh also the gas tanks had a very bad habit of rusting out quite badly. Very hard to find one with a clean gas tank these days, and in tact oil tank cover

Can we get an article on the Kawasaki AR80? Also imported around ’82, very few remaining. Much lighter than the MB5 and doesn’t have the low end struggles, also a 6th gear! Supposedly AR50s were also imported but it’s hard to find real info

Last edited 1 month ago by Paul_Walkers_Brother
Piston Slap Yo Mama
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Piston Slap Yo Mama
1 month ago

Funny thing: I started to make a similar comment as my 1st motorcycle bought with grocery store job money in 1983 was an AR80 – and one is parked in my garage now. It’s a world class bike by any metric and still a lot of fun and good for killing mosquitos.

I’d heard that I could ride one with a learner’s permit, according to some poorly defined statute about “brake horsepower”. That bike would touch 70mph and happily wheelie, fun!

Paul_Walkers_Brother
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Paul_Walkers_Brother
1 month ago

I went through 4 MB5s, never got attached but I still have my AR80. I plan to fully restore it someday, even have the bikini fairing for it. It’s still the most fun I’ve ever had on two wheels, and such a gorgeous bike too

Piston Slap Yo Mama
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Piston Slap Yo Mama
1 month ago

I can 100% confidently state that you should never attempt to make it faster with a sketchy big bore kit. Years later and I’m still wincing from the expense and effort of making a comparatively not-fast motorcycle somewhat faster.

Paul_Walkers_Brother
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Paul_Walkers_Brother
1 month ago

Sounds amazing though! Definitely keeping it stock, I just really want to get it repainted back to the original red. It was painted yellow and used as an amateur race bike, which must have been fun!

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago

Peter Egan is a fantastic writer. If you’re at all interested in motorcycles and riding, I encourage you to read his stuff.

Fun fact: the engine from the same-vintage Honda CR80 motocross bike will bolt fairly easily into the MB5 frame, giving the pilot several more horsepower. This was a reasonably common swap in California *mumble* years ago.

William Domer
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William Domer
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

Yes Peter Egan is an amazing writer. He lives (lived?) 90 miles down the road near Madison. Someday read his story of renovating an XKE and driving it north till you can’t drive anymore. Amazing man

Mighty Bagel
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Mighty Bagel
1 month ago

Honestly, I want to buy one just for those 3 spoke wheels.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

An MB5 was my first motorcycle! My dad found a leftover one at a dealership in Odessa, TX. It was seriously discounted because they couldn’t get rid of it. He brought it home and let 12 year old me putt around the alleys around our house. I had a lot of trouble with the clutch on it, though. You really had to rev it to get going without stalling, but if you revved it and let the clutch out too quickly, it would wheelie.

At least it did with skinny, 12 year old me on it. Wheelied it straight into a dumpster once.

When I got old enough to get a motorcycle license, he sold it and bought me a KZ440 LTD. Also a great bike.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I’m currently de-cruiser-fying a 440LTD 🙂

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

“I’m currently de-cruiser-fying a 440LTD”

Side note: This might be an easier route:

1980 Kawasaki kz 440 B1
$1,850
Listed 3 weeks ago in Rancho Cucamonga, CA

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/924630410137324/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A7f546b1c-3209-4aec-b152-a4892436b963

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Thank you for the link! Oddly enough I have one of those already. 🙂 Bought a basket case ’80 440B for $150 and later found a rolling frame with title for $200.

The LTD getting the mods was $500 with title and the Sudco Mikuni VM30 kit. The whole bike is just super clean – even has good tires. It’s getting a lot of parts that I already have on the shelf and should be a fun and inexpensive around-town ride.

Sounds like something a cheap bastard would appreciate. 😀

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
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Hard to beat those prices for sure!

My 250LTD was $40 from a penny saver ad back in the early ’90s. All it needed was a battery and a carb cleaning. I miss those days.

A. Barth
A. Barth
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Holy cow! 😮 😮 😮

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  A. Barth

I didn’t get my handle for nothing 😉

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

I had its littler, single brother, a KZ250 LTD. Also a fun bike but definitely a surface street and expressway only bike.

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