Home » How I’m Saving The Autopian’s Hideous SsangYong From The Junkyard

How I’m Saving The Autopian’s Hideous SsangYong From The Junkyard

Ssongyang Next Guy Ts

I don’t need any more projects. Of the seven I have or am directly involved in or responsible for, none are roadworthy (Curse you, GTO brake line…), and there are at least a dozen more semi-regular visitors for various levels of tinkering. That is to say, even when the weather is playing ball, my driveway is often a hive of activity on weekends with something being done on one or more of a dozen different cars.

[Ed note: As you’ll see, the UK is full of very tall gentlemen named Adrian who will, with enough encouragement, take possession of a SsangYong. Thankfully, this Adrian is handy with a wrench. We are eternally grateful to him. – MH]

Vidframe Min Top
Vidframe Min Bottom

And yet here I am, in early September, just as the nights start drawing in, as the British weather starts to get more unpredictable, I find myself lurching into another project. But this is no ordinary project. This is a mercy mission. Saving a beloved tolerated steed from a one-way trip to the scrap yard after serving the good folk at The Autopian in sterling fashion these last 3 months.

Adrian Clarke has been trying to rid himself of the “Road-Zeus” for some time, and coincidentally, I interviewed him about this very car at Rustival at the end of August—its last obligation, not even a week before this whole plan came into being. The need to move on the Rodius has come up a few times on The Autopian discord, following a disastrous early MOT which nearly scuppered the Rustival visit entirely.

Pt1 Image1 Bollocksedup

I offered up my driveway for storage space along with a few others, but fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately for Adrian) the existing MOT remained valid, so he was duty-bound to keep this outside his front door for another few weeks, at least.

Pt1 Image2 Motvalid

Eventually, though, with all event obligations taken care of, it was time to do something. The clock was ticking, and eventually this was going to become a problem. Once the MOT expires, the car has to be off the public road entirely. Everything becomes more difficult once that expires. Travelling to a test centre can be a grey area of hot debate. You can’t tax the vehicle without a valid MOT, and without a valid MOT and tax, insurance policies aren’t technically valid. Despite guidance saying that Yes, you can drive without an MOT to get a MOT, an insurance company will always find an excuse not to pay out if they can.

So, without a driveway, or indeed the desire to do the work yourself, this kind of list is easily four figures at any local independent garage. And considering Adrian had already bought the fizz to celebrate its departure, I think it’s fair to say interacting with it more than absolutely necessary and doing the work himself on the roadside was out of the question.

Pt1 Image3 Anyonewantrodius

That meant the only real option was the scrap yard, and that didn’t sit well with David. Allowing what is in every practical sense a running, driving vehicle to be prematurely taken out back and Old Yeller’d for what is really, a couple of minor flesh wounds in semi-consumable parts. It’s a crying shame, cheap cars like this are the lifeblood of so many people in all walks of life, and they’re disappearing from marketplaces quicker than they’re being replenished.

So the call went out again shortly after Rustival

Pt1 Image4 Giveawayrodius

Once again, enter yours truly. A man with half a dozen problems already on his drive, a willingness to add more given the chance, and a YouTube Channel to share the outcome. I volunteered to have a crack at keeping it on the road, for better or for worse. Any attempt has to be worth a shot, and maybe it’s a simple fix, an overzealous MOT tester giving a hard time to an old barge because they, too, maybe have an axe to grind, or to lodge in the grill given its looks.

I’d seen the failures when the first shout went out, and looking back over them again, I probably cursed this from the outset. “How hard can it be?” I asked myself.

I’d not given any thought to parts availability or how crusty and stubborn every bolt could potentially be. I hadn’t even taken the opportunity to have a look at the car while it was at Rustival, even out of curiosity, such was my disconnect from entertaining the idea of either getting another project, or that project being the Rodius.

Pt1 Image5 Letstalk

So that was it, I fell on the sword, and we formed a plan. With a convenient hole on my driveway that until recently was occupied by my ‘66 Thunderbird, a YouTube channel to document the work, and a willingness to put words on paper, arrangements were made to collect the Rodius.

Adrian put the champagne on ice, I made arrangements with my ever understanding partner to drive up and collect it… once she got back from a holiday with her folks. At least she wasn’t going to come home to another car on the drive. By making her complicit in the act, I think I may have brainwashed her, since she took a surprisingly small amount of convincing that this was a good idea.

I’d planned to drive the Thunderbird to Rustival after it’d had some TLC at a friend’s garage. Once that turned into more than just some electrics (zero compression on at least one cylinder), the GTO took up the mantle. Then a brake pipe burst as I was leaving the house to get it an MOT on the Thursday before. Projects, amirite?

Still, with the Thunderbird away for some time being slowly (and thus cheaply!) looked over, the space was free for the Rodius for the foreseeable future!

Pt1 Image6 Tbird

Pt1 Image7 Gto

Last week, the plan was set in motion. We drove up to meet a positively thrilled Adrian, delighted that his suffering was finally going to come to an end. He took me through some known issues.

  • Air-con doesn’t work.
  • The brakes are weak.
  • The temperature gauge drops to zero, and the engine management light comes on for a minute.
  • One tire has a screw in it.

You know, the usual used car problems, and then it was time to crack the fizz.

Pt1 Image8 Champagnelarge

The two greatest days of owning a boat a Ssangyong Rodius, are, so I’m told, the day it arrives and the day it leaves, although I suspect Adrian would take issue with the first of those. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone as happy to see a car drive away.

Pt1 Image9 Leaving

During the drive home, I had ample time to contemplate the potential mistake I’ve made in agreeing to try to save the Ssangyong. However, on first experience, there was less to complain about than you might expect.

The Rodius’s road manners are decent, and it drives pretty well. The seats are comfy, although it doesn’t seem to have much caster. Once you’re turning, it doesn’t seem to auto-center. There are only two real complaints I have about the interior: One, the cup holders in the center of the dash don’t hold cups. Any medium-paced turn is enough to share the contents of an open drink with the cup holder itself. At least it’s water-tight. And two, the foot pedal for the parking brake sits directly in line with my shin and ankle at rest. At least once you’re inside, you no longer have to look at the outside.

Once I got home, I could give the problem areas on the MOT a quick look over and start making a list of parts. To recap, the defects are far from catastrophic in the grand scheme of 20-year-old cars. But one in particular item had become much worse in the three or so weeks since. Were this in the US, it would doubtless cover thousands more miles before the two “major” issues, a broken spring and a leaking CV boot, would even be given a second thought.

Pt1 Image10 Motfailures

I’m amazed that while the rear discs were picked up as being worn, nothing was mentioned about the pads. On the way down, there was a noticeable grinding from one side. I suspect the design of the wheels has something to do with this, since you can’t really get a good look until you take the wheel off, and that’s not something the tester is allowed to do in the test.

Removing the wheel confirmed it. Heavy scoring, almost zero pad left, and in some places, metal-on-metal contact. The discs seemed to have very little wear, however. I’m hoping someone put new discs on with the old pads.

Pt1 Image11 Reardisc

Mercifully, the CV boot and coil spring are both on the same corner, and as luck would have it, so is the wheel bearing. If I’m lucky, I can get away with only taking one corner of the car to pieces to fix all of those defects. Pulling the nearside front wheel off, the discs are in much better shape, but heavily lipped, so it’ll most likely need replacing along with the pads, which are only about half worn.

Pt1 Image12 Frontdisc

Finally, we get to the two major defects. The boot is pretty cut and dry (if only figuratively for the latter). There’s a tear about one fourth of the way around, and it’s throwing CV grease over the inside of the caliper—probably not great for braking efficiency or the health of the joint. The night before, I’d had a quick look at the spring and couldn’t see an obvious crack, lots of peeling and cracked powder coat, but nothing deep.

Maybe I’d got lucky. Maybe the tester’s torchlight had made one of these flakes of coating seem deeper and given the impression of a full-on crack through the metal. I’d not heard any creaking on the drive down, no jingle of a loose coil rattling around. It wasn’t even sitting awkwardly low on one side like you’d expect from a broken-in-half spring, despite a particularly heavy hit from a pot hole near Oxford. There was a chance.

Pt1 Image13 Cracked

Bugger.

This is a problem. Although I’d not looked up anything before, once the plan was in motion, I did think to have a quick look around, just to gauge what the repair was going to cost. What I found was concerning: There aren’t any.

New rear springs are available, generally aftermarket. Most places are out of stock, but there are some second-hand OEM units on eBay. Front springs are a different story; no one sells them. Most places don’t even have them out of stock; they just don’t have a listing at all.

I found one complete front strut, but by the time I could lay eyes on the car to confirm it was the right one, it had sold. I should have jumped and bought it when I saw it. In retrospect, I’d have taken the £150 hit and tried to resell it for the chance of having an easy time.

Resigned to replacing both front springs, I started searching in earnest. Some scant references to the Rexton II using the same part gave me some hope. A couple of hours turned up no conclusive answer to the question, but they looked the same, and eventually I found a part number for the OEM unit (44324-21000). 21000 is stamped into the back of the shock outside, so this seemed promising. With the correct part number, I found a couple of vendors both claiming to have stock on the shelf… but in the US. By the time these heavy chunks get shipped and hit customs, they’ll be pushing £150 each. That’s plenty more than the £45 for the Rexton II units, and I still don’t know if they’re secretly identical.

One site gave a glimmer of hope. It listed an aftermarket front spring under “Ssangyong Rodius / Rexton II.” I even found the part on the UK supplier site I was already ordering the other parts from, but it said it was incompatible. I looked back at the previous site, clicked the listing, and once inside saw the message “this does not fit the Rodius.” Heartbreaking.

More searching eventually revealed the actual specs I needed: Overall diameter, thickness, and most importantly, the overall length of the Rodius unit: 375mm. The Rexton II spring is 385mm. Rats.

I can return them if they don’t fit, at least. So I’ve ordered the Rexton II springs with all the other parts. I’ll keep an eye out for another used strut, or even just a spring, because taking both apart leaves me wide open to a case of “While I’m here, I might as well…” for both the shocks and top mounts.

I mean, why not? So long as I can get this one finished befo– oh hey, what’s that over there!

 

The first episode of the Save The Ssangyong series is on YouTube right now with a bit more detail, and Adrian’s gleeful reaction to it leaving. Once the parts arrive, another episode will go up, along with another write-up, so whether you like to watch or read our escapades trying to keep this off the scrapheap, you’re covered.

We’ve been fortunate to be featured before, our maybe-we-bit-off-more-than-we-could-chew project built from an unfinished kit car and an Audi TT with Chris, an Ex-Formula E tech. I’m thrilled David and the team have entrusted us to keep the Rodius going and share the journey with the readers who inflicted it upon Adrian, making it possible.

Share on facebook
Facebook
Share on whatsapp
WhatsApp
Share on twitter
Twitter
Share on linkedin
LinkedIn
Share on reddit
Reddit
Subscribe
Notify of
84 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Frank Wrench
Frank Wrench
6 months ago

Love this kinda content! Keep it up!

Fixing up unwanted cars and driving them until their last mile is pretty much my mode and keeps me out of trouble… well not financial trouble.

RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
Member
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
6 months ago

“He took me through some known issues.”
1) It’s ugly

So Adrian, are you a goth too? Ha ha
(I’ll see myself out…)

Really No Regrets
Member
Really No Regrets
6 months ago

Curious about it, because it’s fun to “hear” in an author’s voice while reading their words. So below is a link to Adrian Clarke’s voice.

Be warned that another less joyful recording is needed to properly imitate his voice when reading his glorious insights on reality. SADLY, this it not the pissed off, angry or recalcitrant Adrian we know from his most endearing articles, nor the professorial Adrian when imparting his design aesthetics.

https://youtu.be/U2ZXJW_MXP4?si=HtpWHGXoUbVOEEsm&t=201

Last edited 6 months ago by Really No Regrets
Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
6 months ago

If you need parts from the US for this monstrosity, I’ll be heading over to the UK in about 6 weeks and depending on the dimensions of the component, I could potentially get it into my suitcase. It’s utterly bizarre that anything for a Ssangyong would be over here, but hey, it’s also bizarre that I imported a Fiat from over there, so at this point, I’m used to the strangeness. Adrian, David or Matt should be able to get you my contact info.

Jb996
Member
Jb996
4 months ago

This is a great community.

Where else would someone offer to haul a parts for an old, unloved, ugly car, without a dedicated following, across the ocean in their luggage?

Rollin Hand
Rollin Hand
6 months ago

Seeing Goth Uncle Adrian that happy makes me that happy. What a wonderful picture.

BenCars
Member
BenCars
6 months ago
Reply to  Rollin Hand

Indeed.

Mechjaz
Member
Mechjaz
6 months ago

Failing an inspection because it’s not roadworthy? Ridiculous. Just this week we had someone literally yell at us because we wouldn’t rotate his unsafely-worn tires in a fashion that would almost certainly cause loss of control.

And he wasn’t nearly as bad as the roided up meathead that stood in the bay and screamed at us that we were a bunch of fucking retards, did we think that he was fucking stupid, couldn’t we look it the fuck up on the fucking internet, that he was going to bring his 94 Jeep back and align it and charge *us* for the privilege of showing us how to do it, because we couldn’t align it with a pitman arm connected to nothing and had clearly cut away a frame member that would have connected to the suspension.

The idea of a car failing inspection because it’s not roadworthy is pretty alien to me here in the US. A man can dream.

Kleinlowe
Member
Kleinlowe
6 months ago

‘How I’m Saving the Ssangyong from the Junkyard’

Ah, he’s throwing it into the ocean. Or an active volcano.

Also: How many Adrians does The Autopian have over there?

Giant Iain
Giant Iain
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

So it seems!

The two tallest guys on my Automotive Engineering course at Cov Uni were both called Adrian.
One also had the surname Clarke. But wasnt the infamous Autopian Goth, despite attending at a similar time.

Kleinlowe
Member
Kleinlowe
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

At The Autopian UK World HQ:

Adrian: Ah, welcome new hire. I’m Adrian, and this is Adrian.
Adrian 2: Welcome.
Adrian: And this is Adrian.
Adrian 3: Nice to meet you!
New Hire: Pleased! My name’s Greg.
Adrian 2: Greg, huh?
Adrian: That’s a little confusing.
Adrian 3: Mind if we just call you `Adrian’ intstead?

Nic Periton
Member
Nic Periton
6 months ago

The pub one just keeps going, just passed it’s mot. There are a surprisingly large number of Mercedes bits in them.

Citrus
Citrus
6 months ago

Alright, I know this will be tough to hear for a lot of people, but some cars should go to the crusher. It’s okay.

Dodsworth
Member
Dodsworth
6 months ago

Did it hurt when Mr. Clarke threw the keys at you with the velocity of a comet?

Drive By Commenter
Member
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago

Good call on buying the 10mm longer springs. Jack up the rear 10mm too and safari it!

Drive By Commenter
Member
Drive By Commenter
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

Angle grinder, some paint and nobody’s the wiser they were 10mm too long!

1978fiatspyderfan
1978fiatspyderfan
6 months ago

Are we really sure the Rodius hating Adrian didn’t shall we say customize it with a few well placed sabotaged actions to make sure he was rid of it forever? Great idea if it gets fixed hire someone to get it to Adrians house in the morning before he leaves. Maybe follow him letting him see it behind him kind of like Top Gear and their replacement vehicle.

Cheap Bastard
Member
Cheap Bastard
6 months ago

I imagine Adrian would have customized it with flames. But not the painted or adhesive type.

5VZ-F'Ever and Ever, Amen
Member
5VZ-F'Ever and Ever, Amen
6 months ago

Naive question: are springs really that vehicle specific? It seems one could get a spring of the same length and coil diameter and be “close enough” for a Rodius?

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago

There used to be a place in town were you could get a spring measured and they’d get another one made to match it. It’s not that hard to make a custom spring if you’re set up for it. They shut down 20 years ago though.

I’d be tempted to get the longer Rexton one and cut it down.

10001010
Member
10001010
6 months ago

1) Adrian Clarke buys Rodius and hates it because it has a few small issues.
2) Adrian Gordon takes Rodius from Adrian Clarke and mends it.
3) Autopian forces Adrian Clarke to rebuy the now sorted Rodius from Adrian Gordon!!!
4) ???
5) Profit!

Michael Beranek
Member
Michael Beranek
6 months ago

You Brits drive me nuts.
“Nearside” and “offside” instead of simply “left” and “right”?
Like Bart Simpson said, it’s a wonder that country ruled anything.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago

No. It’s not “Brits” that do this, it’s just the motor trade (servicing and parts sales, and MOT tests) that use these bullshit terms based on which side of a horse a right-handed swordsman mounts from. I think it’s to make it seem more complex, and therefore easier to charge more for.

British OEMs use right and left, like sensible, logical people. Or engineers.

It is one of the most infuriating things about cars in the UK. I am always a dick about it if someone uses offside or nearside to me. It just needs to stop.

I’ve had people claim right or left can be confusing because you don’t know which side is which when looking from the front. Our cars are mostly RHD and absolutely zero people get confused about which side the sodding steering wheel is on.

Thomas The Tank Engine
Member
Thomas The Tank Engine
6 months ago

Is this “left” and “right” when viewed from the driver’s seat?

Or is this “left” and “right” when viewed from the front of the car?

Because they would be different.

And you can’t even say “driver’s side” because of LHD/RHD

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

The thing is that nearside is defined as “the side of the vehicle closest to the kerb or pavement when driving”, which would make defining the nearside of a UK registered E30 BMW M3 upside down on a chassis rotisserie in Germany impossible. Or even which side is nearside when driving down a one way street.

However the right side of that car would be the side without the steering wheel, and with RH on the labels of parts from BMW.

The definition of nearside only stops being confusing when it’s defined in terms of left and right.

The definition of offside is, of course, the side of the car that came in to possession of the ball while closer to the goal than any of the other team’s players except the goalie and two defenders.

Simon Staveley
Simon Staveley
6 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

I’m a Brit, an engineer, and born in the 80s.

I use nearside & offside to determine which side of the car I’m talking about – especially with mechanics. It’s unambiguous if you tell someone “offside rear tyre” what you’re talking about and you don’t need to say “right hand rear as you’re sat in the car” or something similar.

I think they work perfectly in these sorts of scenarios so I would campaign for greater use in everyday parlance.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago
Reply to  Simon Staveley

I’m a Brit who’s spent the last 25 years designing bits of cars for OEMs. In those 25 years we’ve never had a single moment of doubt about which side of a vehicle is right or left. Not in a CAD review from inside a gearbox, not while laying on the floor under a car on a ramp. We never use nearside or offside, because they can only be usefully defined in terms of left and right, and we already have words for that which are easily translated.

What does get confusing is a powertrain engineer referring to the left hand head of a V engine that’s occasionally used transversely in a vehicle. It’ll be the front head, or the rear maybe if you’re Honda in the eighties. Don’t even get me started on which spark plug is number 2.

JKcycletramp
Member
JKcycletramp
6 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

I’m waiting for a radial aero engine mechanic to enter the chat.

Simon Staveley
Simon Staveley
5 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

I wonder if we’ve ever crossed paths. I’ve worked for most of the OEMs in the UK at one point and now work for a consultancy. Either engine design or vehicle attributes.

I don’t use them in my work but I use them pretty much exclusively when talking outside of work.

I’m currently working on an I4 that’s a bit like that due to the installation and intake / exhaust design.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
5 months ago
Reply to  Simon Staveley

Maybe, it’s a relatively small industry. I bet we know a few of the same people.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago

You’ve neatly demonstrated that there is no confusion about which side on any car is the right or left by your use of the universally understood LHD and RHD.

Thomas The Tank Engine
Member
Thomas The Tank Engine
6 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

Not if you have a LHD car (e30 M3) in a RHD country (England)

Or if you are ordering a front wing for a RHD car from a supplier based in Europe (who are LHD)

Which was my whole point.

Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
6 months ago

My whole point is that you know exactly what side the steering wheel is on a RHD car. It’s the right side.

Everyone already agrees on which side of a car/motorcycle/human/dog/anything-at-all-with-a-front-and-a-top is the right and left side. We don’t need a new word for this based on a particular context in a particular country.

I’m in the UK, I order parts from Europe all the time. A right front indicator is the right front indicator. It’ll even say “indicator, front, RH” on the box.

Jb996
Member
Jb996
4 months ago
Reply to  Captain Muppet

“I’m right handed”

… but, but… is that your-right from your point of view? Or my-right when I’m looking at you? What about if you were upside down? Oh, so confusing! How EVER will I know what you mean?

How about near-hand and off-hand side. Clearly that makes more sense!
/s

P.S. That makes NO sense.
P.P.S. Realized I just replied to a one month old post. Oh well.

Last edited 4 months ago by Jb996
Captain Muppet
Captain Muppet
4 months ago
Reply to  Jb996

I’m a fencer, so I have a sword hand and a rear hand. It also means that my back is to the right (starboard, if that’s any help) and my front is left.

My head is still at the top, so there’s never any confusion buying hats, but trying to buy a pair of shoes in front and rear is a nightmare.

B P
B P
6 months ago

Ah, the odious Rodius, the gift that keeps giving!

TheDrunkenWrench
Member
TheDrunkenWrench
6 months ago

I commend you on finding a proper solution to the springs, cause my solution would be the lower coil gone on both sides, some black paint, and a slight “rake” to the stance of the Rodius.

TheDrunkenWrench
Member
TheDrunkenWrench
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

I figured as much, hah.

I lowered my w126 by cutting coils, but they’re linear with no change in arc, so it didn’t change the spring rate. Just the travel.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
6 months ago

Maybe you can get Greta Thunberg to help you save this whale. At the very least, you’ve made one Adrian extremely happy. Good luck!

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

Look forward to following your exploits. I’m sure it won’t be dull.

Thomas The Tank Engine
Member
Thomas The Tank Engine
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

As a first article, you have a way with words. I look forward to several well-written entries from you about fixing the Rodius (and your other cars), in the style of Stephen Walter Gossin

StillNotATony
Member
StillNotATony
6 months ago

(Squints at picture of goth Uncle Adrian smiling)

This HAS to be AI.

Yanky Mate
Yanky Mate
6 months ago

The duality of Adrians in a nutshell.

ImissmyoldScout
Member
ImissmyoldScout
6 months ago

Now I have something else to watch on Youtube when I get home!

Strangek
Member
Strangek
6 months ago

Woohoo! Another Adrian!

Jdoubledub
Member
Jdoubledub
6 months ago

Man that Thunderbird makes me feel things.

Urban Runabout
Member
Urban Runabout
6 months ago
Reply to  Jdoubledub

I’ve driven that vintage of Tbird.

It made me feel nothing but concern because there was no feel at all from the steering and suspension.

Mike Smith - PLC devotee
Member
Mike Smith - PLC devotee
6 months ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

That means it was working exactly as designed! Feature, not bug, etc. These were the genesis of the Personal Luxury Coupe market segment, they had long ago given up any ‘sports car’ pretenses they may have started with in the 50’s.

A. Barth
A. Barth
6 months ago

Once the MOT expires, the car has to be off the public road entirely.

A jack, four jackstands, and Robert’s your father’s brother. 🙂

A. Barth
A. Barth
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

That’s fair. Yer average jobsworth plod won’t be half cross if he clocks you taking the mickey.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
6 months ago

Yes! More Rodius content!

I think that all of us (Adrian excluded) are very happy that you’re going to keep this wonderful piece of crap alive.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
6 months ago
Reply to  Adrian Gordon

Springs can be scary. Example: garage doors.

Ben
Member
Ben
6 months ago

I watched the guys replacing my garage door spring and thought, “That doesn’t look so hard.” Then I remembered the guy from my hometown who lost an eye to a garage door spring and decided I was fine paying the professionals to do it.

Taargus Taargus
Member
Taargus Taargus
6 months ago
Reply to  Ben

I attempted it once on my in-laws garage door. Then apparently had an epiphany, stopped, and told them “no way in hell am I continuing with this”. They refused to believe it was a dangerous job. Eventually someone got through to them and they hired a professional.

84
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x