If a bear relieves itself in the woods but there’s nobody there to see it, did it really happen? If a tree falls in the forest but there’s simply nobody around to witness the glory of nature at work, are we still gonna believe it happened? And if David Tracy is out on vacation and we need to film a video that week, does Griffin Riley take over?
The answer is yes. At least to the last one, because I need to actually see the bear lose a couple of pounds in the confines of his arboreal home, and because I don’t believe in trees. But when David was treating himself to a well-earned vacation a few weeks ago, I got behind the wheel of a truly generational vehicle that I’m so grateful I had the opportunity to drive.
I ain’t finna hold you on this one any longer; this shit was gas. [Ed Note: I cannot legally delete that since he’s Gen Z and I don’t want him to call me “Unc.” -DT]. The beautiful machine I drove for this week’s Trade-In Tuesday is the incomparable FCA flagship:thea 2011 Jeep Patriot. Do people like Dave think that it’s a big middle finger that spits in the face of the seven-slotted brand’s lineage as a rugged off-road brand? Yes. But I’m here to tell you that he’s wrong and a FOOL. And I hope he doesn’t fire me.
Why It Should Be Bad
News flash! The Jeep brand is synonymous with and probably the gold standard in outdoorsy automotive ambition, which is why someone like David loathes the Patriot so much.
I’m a fraction of the off-roader DT is, and less than 1% of the engineer that he is as well (although I was the lead programmer in my elementary school’s robotics team and we went to nationals thanks to my programming, nbd) [Ed Note: Griffin must be a member of the 18th Royal Navy, because I’m impressed. -DT].
That’s all to say that I am nowhere near as qualified to speak about everything that makes the perfect off-roader, but I did tighten a few bolts on his WWII Jeep and, if nothing else, I filmed and edited him talking about these things for months at a time, and I think some of his knowledge has rubbed off on me. So here’s what’s important here:
- Geometry. If you have a bad approach and departure angle, there’s no world where you can meaningfully hit the more rugged terrain that you’ll find in nature.
- Suspension. Part of the beauty of a Jeep is its solid front axle that flexes all damn day to guarantee you have insane amounts of traction on the aforementioned rough spots. Since there’s a straight line connecting your tires from left to right, if you hit a big rock on the driver’s side, the passenger side is mechanically forced to go further down, giving you more traction in the process. [Here’s a detailed description of solid axles vs independent suspension. -DT]
- Drivetrain and its orientation. There are arguments for and against FWD vs RWD in a vehicle, and obviously Four Wheel Drive is very much the gold standard when you’re really getting after it on the trails, AND you’d ideally have a low-range gearbox that allows you to aggressively crawl up the steeper obstacles.
The Patriot has none of that. Just take it from David when I told him one was available to film.

[Ed Note: Three things: Sorry about the “it’s” typo. To my parents-in-law, the blurred part may look like a bad word bit it’s actually “gosh darn,” and I didn’t realize this was a 2011. That changes a lot; Fiat came in and in 2011 fixed almost all the interiors. -DT].
So with the Patriot refusing to check the boxes of anything and everything that makes a Jeep a Jeep, it’s gotta be a pretty bad car, right?
It Honestly Wasn’t
I wasn’t in the room while the boys from Belvidere were developing this, so I don’t know what conversations they were having about it. That being said, I’m fairly confident they didn’t build the Patriot with the intention of it being an off-roader for the ages. I’d venture to say that they built something that’s an inexpensive, efficient road car first and that everything else came later, and I’m not mad at that. Especially since it came out just before the Global Financial Crisis.
In so many ways, the car reminded me of the 2005 Scion xB that I had as my first car. In terms of dimensions, the Patriot is roughly 20 inches longer than an xB, but one thing that always shocked people when they hopped in the Scion is how commodious it is in the interior, and the Patriot was no different. The Scion is 64.6” tall, and the Patriot is 66.8” tall; I’m a bigger guy standing at 6’2” and had no shortage of headroom in either.


The interior of the car was nothing to write home about, but was anything at the time? The Scion’s was middling, my Corvette’s is basically just a reskinned Suburban interior, so is my ‘04 Wrangler’s. To belabor a car of that era for having a bad interior makes me think you’re the same kind of person to be angry that there’s sand at a beach. But if you lower your standards and meet the car where it’s at? It’s totally fine!
[Ed Note: Again, this being a 2009+, and especially a 2011+ model is key! Here’s what the OG Patriot’s interior looked like:

And here’s the refreshed 2011 like the one Griffin drove:

Griffin’s point about all interiors not being particularly amazing back in the day is fair. -DT].

Without a doubt, the CVT is a bummer, and the Patriot doesn’t have an engine worth a damn either. They shipped with either a 2.0L or 2.4L World engine, with the former offering 158 hp and 141 lb⋅ft of torque and the 2.4 offering 172 hp and 165 lb-ft of torque, and it felt horrible. At several moments, I wanted to see what the engine had in store for me, and I floored it, and it demonstrated a pace similar to that of the Himalayas’ growth or the shifting of the world’s tectonic plates. The car went nowhere.

Our model, which was traded in to our lovely team at Galpin Honda, was a two-wheel drive model based on the lack of any kind of 4×4 badging and no dial or second shifter to activate the Four Wheel Drive mode and its simulated low range gearbox (it doesn’t have a real low-range). How would that perform off-road? Probably very poorly if our experience off-roading the Crosscab is any indication, but does that matter? No. and here’s why:
Nobody Off-Roads.
I grew up off-roading my whole life in everything from go-karts to full-size side-by-sides to trucks and SUVs. I have a Jeep of my own that’s seriously well built, sitting on 33s with a decent lift kit, a winch, a hi-lift jack, and plenty of other things ready to take me to the middle of nowhere at a moment’s notice. And it hasn’t seen a trail in nearly a year.
All over California, I see Wranglers that look like they just got out of a car wash and that have spotless paint that’s never been pinstriped in its life. They’re so not into the Jeep world that they don’t even have the courtesy to initiate OR return the so deeply cherished, traditional Jeep wave. And while some of them have co-opted our silly token of appreciation and they have ducks on their dashboard, I’m just about positive they didn’t get them from someone while on the trail. My ducks? They’re dirty.
I’m not saying that to attack the people who don’t get after it in their cars, because that’s just normal, especially in a city like Los Angeles. When it takes me 40 minutes to go roughly ten miles to work, it becomes really hard to justify spending hours to go less than 50 miles away from home base in hopes of being on the dirt. And on the flip side, I don’t take my Corvette to the track, either! It’s just not how we are. And it’s just not what the Patriot is.
If you approach the Patriot expecting it to be a worthy contemporary to the Wranglers and XJs of yesteryear, you’re gonna be incredibly disappointed, and you might be named David Tracy. But if everything were made for David, we’d live in a world of tiny German range-extended vehicles that share the road with rusty shitboxes that you’d break your body fixing every day after a trip to the junkyard.
David and others like him are not the mean buyer, and certainly not the mean wrencher, and I feel like the Patriot knows that. Most people just need a cheap car that’ll get them to and from work, and this is gonna do it no problem. This was definitely a cheap poverty spec model, with crap plastic everywhere, and next to no 12Vs to plug anything into, crank windows, and no power locks in the rear, but you can work with all that easily. The cloth seats didn’t wow me at all, but it’s not a luxury car where you’d expect heat, cooling, or massaging, and it’s not a sports car that demands insane bolstering.
[Ed Note: My problem with the Patriot and its Compass cousin is that they aren’t honest vehicles. You ever hear the expression “That old F-150 is an honest truck”? That means it is exactly what it looks like — a truckish hauler of big items. It doesn’t ride great, it doesn’t get amazing fuel economy, but it can haul an entire deck worth of 2x6s and it’ll never die. The Patriot isn’t a great street vehicle; it’s not particularly efficient; it doesn’t handle well; it’s not even that reliable (but it’s not terrible). It’s meant to look like an off-road vehicle without actually being one. It’s dishonest, and generally, I don’t like that trait in a car. The result in this case is a car that is cheap, efficient, and well-mannered for a Jeep. And that qualifier means it’s really not that great in the grand scheme of the market. With that said, not everyone wants to buy the objectively-best-vehicle, and I defend anyone’s right to want to buy an irrational car. -DT].


Simply put, the Patriot is an inoffensive place to spend an hour of your time when you’re going to work. It won’t wow you; it won’t get you there fast, but it won’t disappoint you if you know what you’re getting into. No real off-roader would ever think about buying this thing to be a part of their fleet, but my mom might. And if she wants to go on a hike a bit deeper into the middle of nowhere, she puts that thing into Four Wheel Drive and hits the gravel road to her destination. She sure as shit won’t be doing anything that needs a low-range gearbox, I’ll tell you that much.











My daughter had a 2007 Jeep Compass with the 2.4 Tigershark engine and (crucially) a 5-speed manual. It was actually pleasant to drive with the stick. She bought it used and got a screamin’ deal.
Phoebe the Jeep saw Anna through grad school and into her first few years as a public school teacher in Milwaukee. She took it on many road trips and adventures, and was quite fond of her “chubby cheek” little jeeplet.
She even took Phoebe to performance driving school at Road America, where the BMW and Tesla drivers snickered at her little trash car…. until she was awarded “most improved” driver at the end of the day.
Phoebe developed various mysterious Mopar maladies as she rounded 140k miles and eventually got traded off. But she remains one of Anna’s favorite cars.
Just saying – one man’s crap can may be someone else’s beloved and faithful steed.
https://itisgood.org/auto-biography/#07Jeep
I don’t think I’d want to touch anything with a Jatco CVT. Aside from that, it does well as a mediocre, middle-of-the-road mid-compact crossover. So uh…pretty mid.
More Griffin reviews!!!!!
Less Ed Notes (from David) ((sorry man))
I don’t mind ed notes!
Agreed. One or two maybe, but I don’t need a whole dissertation. I’d rather DT throw that down in the comments, instead of interrupting Griffin’s article.
I’ve brought that up before on articles and had almost an even split of replies on people agreeing or disagreeing with me, so opinions are definitely split on it.
Mine was from the perspective that it felt like David has to defend himself, which he didn’t. And yes, doing it in comments would have been more engaging.
I’ve got another one I’m putting the finishing touches on as we speak 🙂
Bravo sir, bravo.
I think you’re entirely right about the Patriot – 99% of the time Jeeps only go to the mall and soccer practice, so there’s really little point having a vehicle that’s been compromised for driving to the mall and soccer practice in order to give it the ability to conquer the Rubicon trail.
They sold 1.8 million of them, so it was the right car for the market.
I’ve never seen a single tree I even briefly believed was real
2010s?
VW’s Golf was the absolute benchmark for how good we could have interior quality on a mass-market vehicle.
GM & Chrysler were, so to say nicely, the opposite.
At least the interior update was a huge improvement. Those mid 2000s Chrysler interiors were absolute garbage.
I think that’s partly true. GM interiors never came back up from their mid 2000s quality slide. VW interior quality slid in some areas and improved in others but have never aged well. MK 4 golf interiors were some of the most comfortable when new even compared to vehicles more then twice the price. The later cars were a bit less comfortable still decent and maybe wore a bit better. Those cheap jeep interiors weren’t bad nor great but they wore well. Almost every vw from that era looks like a bomb went off. The cheap jeeps wore like iron. Maybe the driver seat bolster has some issues like in very car but beyond that nothing horrible.
2010s are the MkV, and they held up far better over time. Had one to 7 years and 90K miles and it looked brand new.
I was in a 2012 recently and it wasn’t doing well. I looked and around at listing and many are also having issues. The plastic and steering wheels doesn’t wear great. The fake leather is also as mess. Door panels destroyed. Alot of head liner issues. The one I was in had to do a head liner. Seat covers too.
I had a 2012 or 13 Jetta Tdi it was fine for about the 3 years and maybe 35k I had itn(diesegate buy back) . I started looking for another one and they all looked not great. The egolfs that are 10 years old are still looking ok.
Well, in fairness 14 years is a lot longer than the MkIV interiors held up and probably beyond the expected duration of the mechanicals.
Yeah, I’m aware of what that says about VW.
Yeah the gas engines have a history of burning oil for years untill they can’t and then the trans will decide it had enough. VW has always been known failures at certain mileage. #3 intake valve ar 73k on all the air cooled.
They do get you with how nice they can be new compared to other vehicles.
To be fair, the later, non-CVT ones were less miserable to drive, and they are even fairly reliable. My in-laws still own a last model year 1st gen Compass FWD with the 2.4 and the Hyundai 6 speed. It’s a Latitude so it also comes with a couple extra goodies. Actually, it’s been more reliable than the 2011 Outback they owned before it.
The only reason they went with the Compass is because they couldn’t afford a more expensive SUV as their Outback just had their 2nd set of HG fail and they were done with it
I’ve put many thousands of miles on rental Patriots and think the hate I overblown, and that is as an off-roading enthusiast who has owned many Jeeps over the years and currently owns a built rock crawler TJ. The Patriot isn’t great, but with the expectation that it was designed for the cosplaying Jeep owner, it isn’t too bad. The 2014+ models with the 6-speed automatic are much better than the CVT-equipped ones, obviously, but the boxy shape means they carry stuff fine in the back and do mini-SUV things well. Would I own one? Absolutely not. Do I begrudge anyone who does? No, but I don’t extend that courtesy to the same generation Compass (which is just butt ugly).
Compass, caliber, nitro. I can see the hate they are ugly and sloppy things along with that era of liberty. Patriot it’s the right shapes doing the things just not off road. It’s basically a fiat before it was a fiat. If someone told me they got a compass, nitro, or liberty for $1k I would be ok with it. Caliber I think it would have to be under $300 before I would be ok with it.
I, for one, will not stand by this intern abuse! You must immediately let Griffin walk the Galpin lot and pick out whatever toy he likes to review next.
-Autopian HR Department.
How’d you know I’m an intern who just gets coffee thrown in his face most days?!
I’m about to make one of the weirdest comparisons in the history of car website comments.
Jeep is a lot like Porsche(?!) If they only sold Wranglers (911) they would have gone out of business ages ago. There simply isn’t enough of a market for these sorts of specialty vehicles in a way that can sustain a company. They have to build and sell Patriots (Cayennes) in order to survive.
Patriot would be more like a 914. Sold well initially but it no longer made sense after a few years
Counterpoint: Jeep is just Chrysler.
They already had the LX cars, the Ram brand, the Neon and Caliber, the Caravan, etc, to carry the brand. They just wanted to half-ass badge engineer another pile to try to make a quick buck.
I agree that the Wrangler is a great halo car. But the difference is that the Wrangler is attainable to most of the car buying public, and therefore is well represented in any mall or work parking lot.
Way back, my demography (a then first gen Forester owner) apparently qualified me to participate in a few different focus groups conducted by DaimlerChrysler. One of them happened to be for what would go on to become the Compass and Patriot (the others were for the eventual PT Cruiser and a never produced Dodge spinoff).
Our group was 50% male / 50% female and were instructed to give the design mock-ups a thorough going over. After we all had time to take in the conceptual splendor of these eventual automotive icons we were sat down in a circle and given an opportunity to express our individual opinions. Personally I thought the mock-up of what became the Compass looked like something designed in France (how prophetic) which I expressed and received decidedly puzzled looks from the group. I did state that I found the ‘Patriot’ much more to my liking (not knowing it would eventually built on the craptastic Caliber platform). As I recall most all of the male half of the group also preferred the Patriot and the Compass was favored by the female participants. After the Compass and Patriot eventually ended up in production I read that DC’s market research mirrored that of our focus group and both became reality (for better or worse).
All in all a fun, interesting, and paid way to spend an afternoon.
I had a Jeep Compass rental back around 2016, what a horrible vehicle, I detested that thing the full five days we had it. After leaving the rental place I got 5 miles down the road and was ready to turn around and swap it. The power, the driving dynamics, there was nothing good about it. To make it worse a truck threw up a rock and cracked the windshield so I had to deal with that too.
I always wanted to see a jeep patriot vs nissan versa head to head long term test by edmonds or autotrader since the price was SO similer back in the day. i emailed them asking and they never did it.
Having done several Dodge Caliber rentals because cheap, I suspect the Patriot would be a similar driving experience. It drove like a very below average mid-2000s vehicle (which objectively wasn’t horrible per se) and was not an absolute disaster from a reliability standpoint.
For the MSRP Chrysler was asking? Looney tunes for all but the most hopeless customers who had shot credit.
For the ‘real’ price from a dealer desperate just to keep the metal moving with huge discounts? Your rolling disposable wheels had a warranty.
The DumberChrysler years certainly left their casualties, but Jeep’s and Ram’s wounds were less damaging because their halo models retained a modicum of respectability.
But let’s not retcon this into thinking the Patriot was good.
For the ‘real’ price from a dealer desperate just to keep the metal moving with huge discounts? Your rolling disposable wheels had a warranty.
And let’s not forget back in the Cerberus days, these got a Lifetime Powertrain Warranty. Some people might have got their money’s worth and just put up with the miserable driving experience for years.
I never said good!* Just that it’s not as bad as people make it out to be.
*(I think, too lazy to look over my work again)
I wanted to hate my daughter’s ’06 PT Cruiser but after I was forced to drive it, I discovered it’s actually not a bad car. It drove quite well, it felt relatively solid and it was spacious and interesting inside. Other than a turning circle like a battleship and not so great MPGs, it’s a decent car. Not a car for me, but a car I no longer point at and laugh. Perhaps the Patriot is redeemable in similar vein.
Let me save you the 5 paragraph long essay I wrote in this comment box and immediately scrapped, because any attempt to display fondness of a bailout-era Chrysler product in a car enthusiast comment section is about as sensible as singing the praises of Hillary Clinton to an NRA convention. Still, I love these things, and I’m on my THIRD one that I bought ON PURPOSE. (The key is to find them in a stickshift-totally transforms the experience)
Look, it’s a really really bad Jeep.
But would it have been a bad vehicle by any other name? I consider it for what it is. A compact American hatchback that can be bought for a song, is ridiculously easy to work on, gets great fuel mileage, and if you land one in AWD stickshift form, it’s pretty damn fun to buzz around in, made with leftover parts, inoffensive (if unimaginative) styling and that classic American “good enough” build quality that will have you driving around for years (while secretly browsing marketplace for a wrangler that you know damn well you can’t afford)
So don’t think of it as a Jeep, think of it as an AMC!
Honestly, I love this and wish this was just my whole article. Glad you’re loving it enough to be on #3!
My current one is a 2014 stickshift AWD. I bought it with 72,000 miles for $2500 bucks. When a good car becomes unloved by the masses enough for Carvana to start offering people $1500 dollars, my friend, a cheap rally car star is born.
Also, love your article dude! I gotta look up your other stuff this was such a fun read!
Thats just it with them. I can’t think of a time where they were really over priced. You could pick them up new for around $10k. I remember seeing the compass for under $9k new. They had a pretty crazy warranty too. And they have been $1500 to $3k used for the better part of a decade maybe longer.
You can wear out 3 Patriots for the price of one already-worn-out Honda CRV. I’ve seen me do it.
That seems like an underestimate. I bet you could probably get 4 to 5 Patriots to a CRV. Maybe 8 to 10 compass. Compass are about at the point a new set of tires totals it.
You can double the street value of a compass by simply filling it with gas.
I know that’s the case with calibers I didn’t realize we were there yet with compass.
Depends on the generation. I actually think the 2018-newer compass is a pretty damned good car. Is it a Rav? Naw, not by a long shot. But they’re better than most.
That 07-12 compass though……gawd, just buy a 1998 Cavalier and fill the trunk with wet concrete. That’s exactly how they feel.
They were definitely better being mini modern grand Cherokee then mini first gen weirdly round Libertys. Pricing on those is starting to be a maybe for used. For new $23k not horrible.
Thanks buddy! I don’t write as much since I’m so focused on growing our YouTube and socials but it’s always a pleasure to get to clacking over here. I’ve got some good stuff I think 🙂
gets great fuel mileage
These vehicles are averaging 23 mpg on Fuelly. If the reference point is a Wrangler, then the mileage is great, but it’s poor for a crossover as slow and cramped as this.
Otherwise I agree, it’s a serviceable box for a decent price.
It’s all about perspective. In the landscape of AWD vehicles that could be picked up used for 10 grand back in the early 2010s, it was competing against V6 domestic SUVs and ratted out Subarus. Neither of which were better on fuel in the slightest.
Sure, but that’s a very selective comparative set and an incredibly low bar.
Comparative set?
Low bar?
Friend, make no mistake, this car didn’t compete with anything other than a compass, a couple of other domestic crossovers in the 0-percent-for-72-month camp, and the used 90s shitboxes owned by the only people that shopped for domestics in the mid 2000s. It was never supposed to.
It wasn’t a rival to the Forester wagon, or the CRV/Rogue/Rav4’s of the world (all of which are rated almost exactly the same on fuelly BTW)
They were a placeholder. An option. An additional use of the Lancer/Journey/Avenger/Chrysler 200 platform that was essentially free to offer to the public, and fill lot space at dealerships.
They were 20 grand brand new with a lifetime warranty, they were built on a Mitsubishi platform engineered in the early 90s, the engine was chosen not for efficiency, but because it was available, cheap, and fit.
Nobody at Diamlerchrysler had the delusions of grandeur that these were going to get cross shopped against CRVs and RAV4s.
They were a quick answer to the early Escape and equinox, both of which it managed to outpace in reliability, and somehow, resale value as well.
This was the least Chrysler could do versus the least Gm and Ford could do.
My comparison wasn’t a low bar, the 2005-2012 domestic compact CUV in general was THE low bar.
I’d lump patriots and compasses in with those shit boxes, but there aren’t enough of them left running to matter lol!
Lol, alright I’ll yield.
Except this: “all of which are rated almost exactly the same on fuelly”
This is true. But the CRV and RAV4 were noticeably quicker and far roomier and better-packaged vehicles and it’s very hard to beat a K24 or 2AR-FE. Even grrr! Tigershark! has it’s work cut out for it.
Of course! They were superior vehicles in every single metric a vehicle can be judged by.
But you weren’t getting a deal on either of those brand new, and 15 years later, buying a 120, 000 mile rav4/CrV is going to set you back 10 grand.
You can get a decently clean Patriot for the price of a 5 night stay at a 3 star hotel in Myrtle beach.
And thus, why poor rural folks like myself will always love them!
Side note: all of this would be moot by 2014, when we received the KL Cherokee, a vehicle that actually did properly compete in the market with the ruling class.
Now if you ever want a good back and forth, watch me have about 7 beers and start defending that Italian American hunk of goodness.
You can pick up a gen 2 prius for around $2k again. It will have 200k plus and probably good for another 200k. Maybe if you can find of the last US Suzukis you can pick one of those up cheap and flirt with 30 mpg. Maybe a mirage or a Saturn sl2 or ion or similar. Other then that I’m drawling a blank on $2500 or less street value car that gets better then mid 20s mpg. Certainly nothing box shaped and awd. Scion xb are all over the place but I recall them flirting with 30 mpg with fwd. Even the caliber that should be more aero and fwd only get maybe mid to high 20s if you are lucky. On fuelly they are roughly the same as the Patriot.
I really didn’t want to add more to what I had ( I swear this is all in good fun and I abhor being combative and negative)
But the CVT was what killed thier mileage. I’ve had all manual examples, and hand calculated I average a solid 25 mpg overall and on highway trips it gets 30 mpg.
It’s got snow tires and it’s shaped like a brick. I consider it terrific.
For sure the only good cvt is ecvt. All that over reving for normal driving doesn’t help your fuel efficiency at all. Cvt is flawed logic and these newer cars getting better fuel economy without them is a market and engineering correction.
Yeah, I sold cars for the last decade before my current job. Theyre really only a tough sell to people that either were going to go buy a Toyota or Honda anyway, or spouses that had those plans. The other 90 percent of people that test drove one from me were very pleased, before and after buying one.
I agree with you, I don’t think they suck as long as the expectations for it are correct.
I think it looks better than its platform sibling, the Compass.
We drove a 2015 rental 2wd all over the US when it was fairly new, took it on many light dirt roads. It was fine, got decent MPG, the trunk was a bit small but because it’s a big square it’s still practical.
It’s distantly related to the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport, that’s still being sold now.
I don’t think these are any worse than a contemporary Crosstrek or any other similar small SUV/CUV or whatever this category is called.
I 100% agree with the conclusion- the Patriot is the Superior Jeep to the Wrangler and the Cherokee, because it is honest about what it is. It’s a road-going econo-box, with a mildly upright driving position, mildly increased hauling space (compared to a sedan), and a mildly outdoorsy/sporty look. Wait, you can’t tell what CUV from the past two decades I’m describing? That’s because it applies to basically all of them. And the Patriot is just Jeep’s entry into that category, and obviously so. Whereas the Cherokee and the Wrangler are, depending on spec, just also members of that bland family while pretending to be offroaders (which makes them worse on-road).
I had one as a rental and it was fine. I liked how when the seat slid back, it also lowered. As a 6’6″ person, this makes sense to me.
John Beef is a big boy!!! And was the headroom okay for you too?
Indeed! I had enough headroom, and thankfully there was no sunroof which is usually something preventing me from fitting in any vehicle.
*cracks knuckles*
My best friend got one of these (a 2008) as a hand-me-down in high school.
Inexplicably to me, they loved it. At its worst, it was getting like 17 mpg city, which was mainly horrifying in comparison to me getting 17 (highway, admittedly) in a Ford Econoline.
The back seat legroom is pathetic, as Griffin points out.
The hatch had a feature that was good in theory, but poorly-executed: a pair of speakers (as a unit) that could deploy downward, so that with the hatch open, they’d aim behind the vehicle. Of course, the cheap plastic latch was broken, so the speakers would always fall down when you opened the hatch, so every single time you went to close it, you had to shove the speakers up and quickly slam it.
It looks like there was some extended warranty program for the frame, and in my friend’s case, the shop was going to do the front and back as separate appointments. Their parent inexplicably had the front done, but not the back. It rusted through and that was the end of it.
Anyway, I will gladly concede they look nice, but that’s the best I can say about them. They’re not roomy; they’re derivatives of bricks on wheels so they’re not efficient; the interiors are functional, but cheap.
the bike rack is worth more than the car
I still like the look of these – the mash up of the XJ Cherokee and a TJ Wrangler styling kinda worked for me – they just seemed let down by an uninspiring driving experience. No compromises maybe, but also no highlights.
The xb comparison is strange. I’ve never thought about it but it works. Maybe it’s one of those in hindsight things. Cheap square cars marketed toward young people.
If you look at the Patriot like a Fiat, Mitsubishi or small cuv in jeeps clothing it’s fine. I never hated them I thought they were ok looking, ok driving. Something that works great for that 16 to 30 ish demo. Like scion was marketed to the Patriot and compass were many peoples first new car and likely many peoples first car.
I liked the compass less. Its a weird shape and weird looking. The Patriot is at least the right shapes. Certainly better looking then the nitro and caliber. Better looking then the Liberty of the era. Nothing wonderful but not a horrible thing most of the time. It’s also amusing how popular they were in certain European countries and Russia.
I think it really would be an incredible first car for so many people. And agreed on the Compass, it has…a look
so basically if something or someone brands themselves as a patriot, expect it to not really be one?
I’m sure it is perfectly fine appliance transportation. David needs to get off his high horse.
Hey, everyone has a right to dislike a car!
I mean, having been in one quite a bit (since my friend had one for over 5 years), I agree with a lot of what David said. We went 4x4ing in it a number of times, and it did fine on smaller things, but it truly was a better vehicle for moving from A to B than anything else. The only thing it does better than a XJ is less road noise. And at that it was only okay, cause the MPG wasn’t that good. They bought a CX-5 next and have never looked back.
Yeah on the small stuff, I’m sure it’s more than enough. I’d like to think that Jeep’s actual off-road prowess trickled down into this clearly inferior off-roading vehicle, but it’s not the Wrangler and never will be. If you’re young and it’s all you got? Take it out but know that you aren’t gonna rock crawl.
Yep. It served him for 5 years, and hauled all his sports stuff fine. So it did what he needed.
I rarely see them anymore in my corner of the rust belt (Chicago area). The subframes of these hold water, and rust out like it’s their job.
Shoot if that’s its job, give them a raise for doing it so well. One could only dream of being so successful
I see them all over the place in McHenry and Gurnee. Not sure why.
That’s weird. It’s not like I never see then, but they used to be crawling all over the place.
Alot of them have been getting to New York. Plenty of people have been buying these and the Compass around me (Central New York).
Helps most of them don’t have the CVT.