If there’s one thing about me, it’s that I absolutely hate missing out on a good time. Whenever there’s an opportunity to have fun behind the wheel, I try to get myself involved. Track days, back road drives, snowy adventures, you name it. I’m there.
For about a decade, I’ve been participating in wheel-to-wheel ice races in upstate New York, where drivers go head to head on a road course plowed into a frozen lake. These races were great because 1) they are cheap to enter, at $70 per event, and 2) they’re incredibly accessible, requiring only minimal safety items and winter tires to run, without the need for roll cages or fire suppression systems.
For the past four years, no ice racing has happened in New York due to mild winters. I wrote off the possibility of it ever happening again, to the point where I sold my designated ice racing car, my Mazda MX-5 Miata, and replaced it with a Range Rover.
In a cruel twist of fate, this winter has been cold enough to freeze the lakes in upstate New York to the point where racing is now possible. Not one to simply give up and miss out on some thrilling sideways action on a frozen lake, I decided to impulse-buy a car and take it racing the very next day, just so I could get some seat time on the ice. It went way better than I was expecting.
An Extra-Truncated Timeline
Whispers of this weekend’s race actually happening had been going on all week, but it was only on Friday that the Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club (AMEC) confirmed the race was a go at Peck Lake, a body of water that sits Northwest of Gloversville, New York.

I had lost all hope of buying a car and getting up there by Sunday until a friend sent me a Facebook Marketplace listing for a 2014 Audi A8 L that was listed for sale in Southwestern Vermont for a very reasonable price. Knowing it would be sold quickly, I hit up the seller and arranged to pick it up on Saturday.
I’m sure you’re probably wondering: Why an Audi A8? Surely a huge limousine weighing 4,400 pounds wouldn’t be a fun ice racer. It’s also a complex car, with air suspension and lots of electronics that could go wrong. With over 215,000 miles on the clock, this car wasn’t exactly a spring chicken.

Sure, I could’ve purchased the cheapest WRX I could find on Facebook, but I’ve owned several Subarus now, and wanted something different. I also wanted something with a proven all-wheel drive system, one that I’ve seen do well at these races in the past. Audi’s Quattro fit the bill perfectly. And because this A8 already had winter tires installed, I didn’t have to worry about installing new rubber before hitting the ice.
If I had more time to source a car, I probably would’ve purchased a smaller Audi, like an A4 with a stick shift. But remember, I had about 36 hours from learning there was a race to needing a car. So time was not on my side. Plus, the idea of sliding a huge executive sedan around a frozen lake seemed novel. That being said, I’m very happy with my purchase.
A Real-Deal Limousine
How is a 215,000-mile Audi A8 like to drive on the road? Pretty damn nice, actually. This thing competed against the Mercedes-Benz S-Class and the BMW 7 Series when it was new, and it still rides like a dream. The seats are soft, the stereo absolutely bumps, and the massaging seats work as they should. The sound insulation is excellent, too, but there’s a weird amount of wind noise coming from the sunroof, which gets annoying at highway speeds.

That’s not the only problem. There’s a sizable crack in the windshield, and a check engine light for a small evap leak in the fuel system. Bigger bumps in the road reveal a small clunking sound coming from the front left suspension. And there are a few dings, dents, and scratches throughout the body. But other than that, there’s not much wrong with this car. The 3.0-liter supercharged V-6 pulls well and hasn’t burned any oil since I bought it. The eight-speed automatic transmission shifts smoothly, and even has paddle shifters on the steering wheel for manual operation. And the infotainment screen, which comes up and out of the dashboard every time you turn the car on, works as it should. There are even soft-close doors, which, to me, is next-level fancy.

As for options, this A8 is pretty basic. The long wheelbase version is over 5 inches longer than that year’s Cadillac Escalade, and it unlocks a bunch of legroom for rear passengers. The only other upgrade I’ve spotted is the Premium Package, which comes with those aforementioned massaging seats and LED headlights (which work very well).
So, How Did It Do?
After buying the A8 in Vermont, I pointed its nose straight towards an upstate New York hotel near the frozen lake, with my friend Aaron driving my Range Rover closely behind. We made it there without issue, ate some Applebee’s for dinner, and then went to bed. (If you’re wondering, yes, the O-M-Cheese Burger lives up to the hype.)
The A8 was put to the test the following morning before I even left the parking lot. According to my phone, the ambient temperature was -12 degrees Fahrenheit, but the Audi had no trouble starting. Victory number one.

I couldn’t say the same for my friend Mathias’s E30-generation BMW 3-Series, which refused to start after several minutes of cranking and fooling around with the injectors. He only managed to get it running because the A8 was nearby to lend its battery power for the E30’s starter. Despite all that extra load on the electrical system, the Audi didn’t complain. Victory number two.
After arriving at the lake, the big-body Audi had just one more obstacle to overcome: The actual racing. There are a handful of different classes that race at these AMEC events, including four “Street Legal” classes, divided by the number of driven wheels and whether your winter tires are equipped with studs. Being an all-wheel drive car without studs, the A8 was up against a couple of other Audis, a few Subarus, and a brand-new Toyota GR Corolla.

Just to make things clear: I did not show up to this race intending to fight for a win. The A8 was, by far, the heaviest vehicle to race that day, and I didn’t even know if I could turn traction control all the way off until I tested it on the ice (thankfully, it did go all the way off).
That being said, I’m incredibly surprised by how well the A8 performed. Like any big Audi, this one is insanely nose-heavy, meaning you have to drive it like a pendulum just to get it turned. But the Quattro system worked great, and the 333 horsepower from that supercharged V6 really came in handy for building gaps from competitors. Eventually, I was doing huge four-wheel drifts out of every corner. Out of the three races, I managed two third-place finishes (I think, the official results haven’t come out yet). Not bad, seeing as how I originally thought I’d be a rolling roadblock for everyone in the field.

Is the A8 the best car I’ve ever taken ice racing? No, that honor goes to my Subaru Impreza 2.5RS, a car I miss dearly and regret selling every time I see a snowflake fall from the sky. But! After driving three hours home from the lake in total silence, listening to music and some podcasts while getting my back massaged, I already have a soft spot for this Audi.
I thought briefly about flipping this car once ice racing season is over, but honestly, I’m leaning towards keeping it. Not only is the A8 competent on the ice, but it’s also just a really nice car to drive. At minimum, I’ll fix up what’s wrong with it, give it a once-over to see if there’s any disasters hiding beneath the skin, and go from there. Stay tuned.
Top graphic images: Brian Silvestro; Universal Pictures









This is the kind of content I’m here for. Nice work!
It boggles my mind to think that a “lightly” equipped version of this car, with the “small” engine, weighs 4400lb even though its chassis is entirely made of aluminium.
This sounds awesome. I’m jealous! Thanks for sharing this
+1
This sounds like a job for Ski Klasse.
BUT WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PARK IT?!
Holy crap! My friend spoke as if the upstate group had been totally disbanded. Do they have a page/mailing list to follow somewhere that would let me know when they do things next? I need to find the further-north groups that run, too.
I just went to hoon around on a frozen airfield in Finland and it’s the most fun I’ve had in ages, heh. I crave MORE.
There are lakes in Maine that get tracks plowed on the ice. I’ve going to an event this weekend. We were out last Saturday in a $400 Subaru that my son and I fixed up. Perhaps there should be an Autopian frigid sliding group meetup in New England? I know of at least 2 lakes and they have hotels and restaurants not far away.
hot dang, YES
icerace.com has all the answers you seek
yes ha ha YES
Man, I’d love to try ice racing some time. I think there’s a few places in Quebec doing it up here….*turns phone away from wife and opens facebook marketplace*
yes ha ha yes
Do our spouses notice when we do this? (Asking for a friend)
My spouse isn’t worried that I’m texting another woman, she’s worried about the dude on marketplace I’m messaging. Or wondering why I have a flat bed hooked up early saturday morning and I’m sneaking out with my travel mug.
Our hobbies are the other kind of mistress in our lives.
A mistress would most certainly be cheaper.
If I did this, I’d bring her. She used to drive like the late, great Sabine Schmitz. Every time we went to one of those K900 (?) style cart tracks, she would cream me.
You certainly got the easiest engine on the D4 A8, at least of those offered in the ‘States. The 4.2-liter N/A V8 on the earliest ones is a no-go, on account of the bad timing chain hardware and the fact that the chains are on the rear of the engine, making them an engine-out job. The 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 on the later ones is alright, but has some spendy maintenance (I had a 2013 example with that engine, and came out okay). Ditto the 6.3-liter W12. And the TDI’s exhaust equipment is just ruinously expensive.
But the 3.0-liter supercharged V6? Those’ll go all day. It’s probably the most reliable engine Audi has made in modern times.
As an owner of an S6 with the 4.0t engine, I concur with your assessments. Take your pick with the 3.0t (great whine from the supercharger with an intake) or the 4.0t (menacing growl with the performance exhaust), but both are so good if taken care of.
This is an insane idea in the best possible way. Looking forward to more updates on the Audi
I missed the important thing or you didn’t include it? As we are experiencing the same -12 here DOES IT HAVE SEAT WARMERS? Also where in VT? I used to live there. Nice area
yes it does! AND a heated steering wheel
Too late up to 21 degrees today so going to the beach
I want ventilated seats, will be summer soon.
This is fantastic!!
One wonders how much heavier that big ol’ Audi was compared to the “Fetzenflieger” that Otto Mathé built and raced in the late 1940s and early 1950s using Porsche and VW parts: https://ferdinandmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Otto-Mathe%CC%81-Fetzenfleiger-1-%C2%A9Automuseum-Prototyp.jpg
Yeah, those tires with what looks to be homemade (!!) studs look pretty dang gnarly…
Of some note is the fact that Mathé only had the use of his left arm due to his right arm having been paralyzed as the result of a racing motorcycle crash some years earlier so he relocated the shift stick to the left on his cars and moved his seat up where he could lean forward to hold the steering wheel with his chest when he shifted gears. He was remarkably successful in his racing career to the point where Porsche refused to sell engines directly to him on account of how often he beat Porsche’s factory teams, lol.
I love this
I also bought an audi, a 2003 a4 with the 3.0, sport package and a 6speed that first intended to keep around town, then fooled with the idea of having a rallyX car. I literally couldn’t keep it running long enough to do either. Replaced half the car then got to where I couldn’t even keep up with the repairs, and once one of the rubber seals around the cowl/ECU went, it was game over. Couple hundred hours later, it ended up on the back of a tow truck with “cash for cars” guy doing a bait and switch on hundred bucks. I hope you fare better.
Audi’s reputation for terrible reliability comes from the B5 (1997+) onwards. It was their first big push to fight back against the japanese luxury brands, by cutting quality and cost and ADDING gadgets and gizmos.
OLDER Audis (pre 1997) were built more like old benzes, german tanks. Great quality.
I’ve done the AMEC event in my M3 with winter tires, it’s great fun.
Even a winter driving school is stupidly entertaining and helps build skills. And unlike track events, winter ones basically require zero mods or wear and tear on your car.
dude this sounds like fun! where are you keeping both cars here in NYC now? street park?
Sliding in style… very cool and a new type of racing, getting a massage and listening to podcasts
Pray for THICK ice each race 🙂
AMEC is awesome! glad to see that the cold snap has established enough ice!
This looks incredibly fun. What a way to spend a weekend.
There’s just something that tickles my funny bone seeing two cars with batteries in the boot connected together under the bonnet.
I was about to like your comment before I remembered this E30 has had its battery relocated to the engine bay, because the factory battery location in the trunk is rusted out
Ejecto battery-o?
Applebee’s still exists? I don’t think I’ve seen one in ages.
Looks like awesome fun, though. I’ve thought about doing something similar at the ice races in my neck of the woods, but I’d be buying something way less nice and way cheaper. Like, about to fall apart cheaper.
We still have lots of Applebee’s in my area, according to the Google 7 within 15mi of me.
Every time an autojourno is anywhere near upstate NY they end up buying a shitbox I’ve scouted online (See DT’s Valiant and any number of things Rob Siegel writes about).
I am thrilled that the AMEC hasn’t given up!
“I’m leaning towards keeping it. Not only is the A8 competent on the ice, but it’s also just a really nice car to drive. At minimum, I’ll fix up what’s wrong with it, give it a once-over to see if there’s any disasters hiding beneath the skin, and go from there”
I see this in your future:
https://media.tenor.com/dpSpYy3d1_4AAAAM/tenset-10set.gif
Between buying the car, the gas for it and the range rover, and the entry fees for the race, that is me already
I have to say Brian, when you first joined the staff I really wasn’t sure you were quite crazy enough for this circus. The LR went a long way towards convincing me, but I still didn’t think you were quite as certifiable as the rest of the crew. Congrats, you have fully convinced me and I am very excited to read about future shenanigans as well!
On that note, could you not have just taken the LR or do they not allow SUVs on the ice? The Audi was definitely the right choice, I’m just curious.
Oh I definitely would’ve taken the Range Rover if they allowed it. Sadly, their height requirements are that the car has to be no taller than a Subaru Forester, to mitigate rollover risks
Yeah that’s what I figured, well I figured rollover risks or there was a weight limit since you know, you’re on frozen water and all.
That A8 probably weighed as much as the Rover!
The Range Rover is actually like 1200 pounds heavier, which isn’t terribly surprising given how terrible it is on gas
The A8 employs an aluminum space frame, so it’s lighter than it should be.
I had a 2014 A8 L with the 4.0TT, and it was very quick. I can only imagine the uprated and shorter-wheelbase version on the contemporary S8.