Car enthusiasts in the state of Illinois just had their first hearing in the fight against the state’s ban on legally imported Japanese vehicles. The hearing was brutal, with the state clearly showing that it doesn’t actually know anything about imported vehicles. But perhaps the worst part is an alleged threat that, should the state deem imported cars to be illegal, the state will reserve the right to crush Kei cars at their owners’ expense.
Back in March, import car enthusiasts in my home state of Illinois began reporting a depressing development. The Illinois Secretary of State (our version of the Department of Motor Vehicles) had sent them letters. The pages contained within those letters stated that, effective immediately, the state had revoked their vehicles’ titles, replacing them with titles branded with a mark saying ‘Not Eligible For Registration.’ The state also demanded that imported vehicle owners surrender their license plates to the state, warning that those had been revoked, too.
The aggravating factor was that while Illinois is clearly trying to target Japan’s smallest class of road-legal vehicle, the kei-jidōsha, the state doesn’t have any real idea on how to identify a Kei vehicle. As such, owners of all kinds of imported Japanese vehicles have been getting the kiss of death from the state.
The state has given imported vehicle owners in Illinois a chance to make a case to argue why Keis should be legal. That hearing was today, and somehow, the situation is getting even worse. Illinois is allegedly considering ordering the crushing of imported cars it has deemed to have been illegally used on the road. If true, that would make Illinois’ Kei ban the worst in the nation.
Illinois Has No Idea What It’s Doing
As of publishing, there are no public-facing documents or policies regarding the Kei ban here in Illinois. All of the information that we’ve gathered thus far has come from direct interactions with Secretary of State offices and now with Administrative Law Judges conducting a hearing on the matter.
It has now been over three months since the state confirmed that it would ban cars, so it’s frustrating that there still isn’t a policy for enthusiasts to even see. Even worse, the Autopian has now reached out to the Illinois Secretary of State several times without any return contact. The Autopian is also aware of another journalist working on a story about Illinois Keis, and they, too, have not gotten any return calls from the state.
Here’s what I wrote when the ban was first reported by enthusiasts:
For years, Illinois has largely treated Kei cars, vans, and trucks like any other car, issuing regular, unrestricted license plates to these vehicles. I’ve been able to register Kei cars like a normal car, as have a few of my friends. But even then, I say “largely” because Illinois hasn’t been clear on its stance about Kei vehicles.
Some people have reported registering their vehicles and getting license plates, but also getting a title marked as ‘Not Eligible For Registration.’ Weirdly, some of these people are able to continue renewing their registration stickers as normal, but they were otherwise stuck with a title that branded their vehicles as off-road-only. This is similar to how other states like Pennsylvania have handled Kei trucks. But this isn’t universal. Some folks get regular titles.
At any rate, it appears that Illinois might be ramping up efforts to remove Kei vehicles from its roads. Last year, someone on Reddit reported having their license plates revoked. Now, as of about a week ago, more reports are flooding in.
We know that the state isn’t just banning Kei vehicles because several people have been reaching out to me with their stories. One of the first was Johnathan, who sent in his letter. The vehicle in question was a 1998 Toyota Crown, a car that wasn’t even close to being in the Kei class.
According to Illinois, this Toyota Crown is so unsafe that it has to be branded as an off-road vehicle and banned from the road. Of course, a Toyota Crown is not an off-road vehicle. Branding cars as off-road vehicles isn’t much of a consolation prize either. Illinois has very few trails and only a handful of off-road parks to speak of. So, having an “off-road” brand is as good as saying that your car is now a paperweight.
The Law Illinois Is Using Against Kei Owners
Back in April, Robert H held his nose and dove head-first into dealing with Illinois bureaucracy in an effort to get his Kei van to be legal again. First, Robert got this statement from the Illinois SOS:
Unless legislation is passed that specifically allows for Kei Trucks to be registered in IL, our default is that it is not eligible for registration pursuant to IVC Section 3-401(c-1) as an off-highway/non-highway vehicle.
I looked that law up, and here’s what it said:
What the IL SOS is referring to there is 625 ILCS 5/3-401(c-1)(1), This part of the ILCS is known as the Illinois Vehicle Code, or IVC. I apparently correctly guessed this to be the justification because this is the only part of the Illinois Compiled Statutes that even remotely comes close to describing this situation:
(c-1) A vehicle may not be registered by the Secretary of State unless that vehicle:
(1) was originally manufactured for operation on highways;
(2) is a modification of a vehicle that was originally manufactured for operation on highways; or
(3) was assembled from component parts designed for use in vehicles to be operated on highways.
Illinois also cites 625 ILCS 5/11-1426.1, which states that off-highway vehicles cannot use public roads. Basically, the state uses 625 ILCS 5/3-401(c-1)(1) to establish that Keis are off-highway vehicles, then uses 625 ILCS 5/11-1426.1 to say that they aren’t legal for the road.
No part of the Illinois Vehicle Code explicitly bans Kei vehicles or really any other kind of imported vehicle. However, all of the people who have reached out to me are owners of vehicles imported from Japan. Most of these people own Kei cars, although some own vehicles in larger classes.
What’s curious is that the states that have banned Keis have thus far not also gone after tiny cars from other countries. To these states, a Suzuki Jimny from Japan is bad, but a Suzuki Jimny from Europe is just fine. Again, that comes without any sort of explicit law targeting Keis or vehicles from certain countries.
What I have found is that the Illinois Vehicle Code goes to great lengths to say that for a vehicle to be legal in Illinois, it needs to have equipment complying with Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Per Illinois, a vehicle not built to FMVSS specs is not legal for road use in the state. The problem, aside from how silly that standard appears, is that this standard is not being applied equally. The state doesn’t care about imported BMW 3 Series Touring wagons, which definitely weren’t built to FMVSS, but a Toyota Crown is bad. Surplus military vehicles, like World War II Jeeps, also weren’t built to FMVSS (which didn’t even exist back then), but the state is okay with those.
The current edition of 625 ILCS 5/3-401(c-1)(1) has been on the books for over two decades. Clearly, the state did not have a problem with imports until recently. Yet, nobody in Illinois has any real clarity on what’s going on because the state isn’t being straightforward.
The Hearing
Robert H decided to appeal the revocation of his vehicle’s legal status, and the state gave him a hearing date of today, June 6, 2025.
These hearings are designed to give an individual the chance to provide evidence and an explanation for why the state made a mistake in revoking the license of a vehicle. The hearing is conducted by an Administrative Law Judge, who, despite the name, isn’t a typical judge like the way you’re thinking. ALJs are members of the executive branch, not the judicial branch, and their job is to oversee administrative matters in an impartial manner. You might also see an ALJ when contesting a city’s parking ticket in an in-person hearing.
While Robert’s hearing was focused on just his Kei van, a positive result at a hearing could be used to reverse the ban for all Kei owners with revoked titles and plates. Unfortunately, as Robert informed me this morning, the hearing did not go so well.
First, Robert said, the Illinois Secretary of State Title Division said that his Kei van is illegal because it does not have a collapsible steering column, which would have been required in a U.S. market vehicle of the same model year as his van.
The Title Division also argued that Kei vehicles have top speeds that are too low and engines that are too small for road use. Robert countered with a list of vehicles that are legal in the state of Illinois that are either slower than Keis or have smaller engines than Keis, but the state has deemed them to be legal.
One example that he used is the 1998 Smart City Coupe, which had a 60 HP 600cc engine. That car was never officially sold in America, yet it’s legal in Illinois, against the state’s own criteria for what makes a car illegal. Robert also pointed out that Kei cars are faster, safer, and more powerful than the Ford Model T, which is another vehicle that the state has no issue with.
The Title Division countered by saying that all of Robert’s examples were classified as antiques, and thus, they are not required to meet the burden that the state is putting on Keis. Robert pointed out that per the federal government, a car that is over 25 years old is no longer subject to FMVSS. To that, the state said that Illinois has set a stricter standard than the federal government. To be fair to the state, it does have the right to do that.
Robert then correctly pointed out that even by Illinois standards, a Kei car is an antique. In Illinois, a vehicle can be classified as an antique when it is at least 25 years old, which all legally imported Kei vehicles are. Robert also brought up how the classic Mini is also legal in Illinois. To which the state allegedly countered by saying that the Mini was built in America. That’s not true.
The state then continued by saying that the Title Division has reviewed the records for the JDM vehicles it has banned, and it has come to the determination that the specs of these vehicles are insufficient for road use in Illinois. The state allegedly could not produce evidence of what it meant by this. Remember, the state also bans larger JDM vehicles, not just Keis. In the state’s eye, even a Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R is not good enough.
The state then told Robert that it would make a decision within 90 days. But that came with a twist. Allegedly, the state also said that if it decides Robert had been driving an unsafe, illegal vehicle on Illinois roads, it reserves the right to demand the crushing of that vehicle at Robert’s expense.
Crush-on-demand isn’t unheard of. States have been known to crush vehicles that they claim are so illegal that they cannot exist anymore. Usually, this is applied to illegal motorcycles or vehicles used in crimes. I’ve never heard of a state claiming it could crush a vehicle that was legally imported but deemed unfit for road use. Further, the state has been branding Keis as being off-road-only vehicles. Is that no longer on the table?
I have reached out to the Illinois Title Division for clarification on this.
More confusion comes from the documents the state is using to support its argument, which are posted above. In these documents, the state confuses mini-trucks (which are sized like Kei trucks, but are designed for off-road use only and equipped 25 mph speed limiters ) with Kei trucks. The state cannot even get its facts straight, as it claims Keis cannot be driven in Texas. The state then says that Keis are considered to be low-speed vehicles in North Carolina, while stating in the same paragraph that they’re road-legal in North Carolina nonetheless.
AAMVA Strikes Again
Since summer 2021, the states of Maine, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Michigan, Georgia, Massachusetts, Texas, Illinois, and Colorado have passed either restrictions on Keis or outright bans, with varying levels of success in enforcing such policies and laws. In 2024, enthusiasts in Texas, Massachusetts, and Michigan successfully beat their bans. Here in 2025, Colorado became the first state since 2019 to protect Keis in law.
Texas followed up Colorado’s big win with an even better pro-Kei law, one that should be the blueprint for Kei vehicle advocacy in America.
All of these states are following direct recommendations issued by the now-infamous American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), a non-profit and non-governmental lobbying organization run by DMV administrators and law enforcement in all 50 states, Washington D.C., Canada, Mexico, and the Virgin Islands. Its official mission is to streamline driving laws between all jurisdictions.
While AAMVA recommends that every state in the nation ban any and all vehicles not built to FMVSS, it also specifically targets Kei trucks as being particularly unsafe. Sadly, AAMVA’s language can be found all over the present import bans in America. Previous reporting in Colorado has also found that supporters of AAMVA’s agenda include state police and car dealer associations. I have written extensively about AAMVA, click here to read more.
Moving Forward
So, what’s next for Illinois? The state is going to take up to the next 90 days to figure out if it wants to keep banning Keis. However, Robert says that the state held firm on its position during the hearing.
Thus, we’re planning on moving to the next phase, and that’s advocacy. We will call every lawmaker in this state in hopes of getting some allies on our side. Then, maybe those people can help us convince the state to review its policy, which is similar to what happened in Texas and Massachusetts. Should our organizing efforts fail, then maybe we’ll have to escalate to a lawsuit.
Either way, there’s a long road ahead, and it may be a while before Keis are legal in Illinois again. For now, some enthusiasts are taking the alleged threat of crushing very seriously, and they’re now considering registration options outside of Illinois. All of this is too sad. Come on, Illinois, we want to give you our money!
If you’re in Illinois and you’re interested in joining the fight, I welcome you to join the Illinois Kei TRUCK/VAN/CAR private group on Facebook.
Has anyone reached out to Governor Pritzker’s office?
He seems reasonable.
LOL
This is not a fight to be fought on the state level. AAMVA is an unauthorized group violating their convention of getting all states to have similar laws and is actually vindictively try to get all states to follow their decisions. Sorry Autopian isn’t going to stop it on their own. You guys are a group combine your resources and attack AAMVA and put their hidden agenda. Go after every member and show why they are pushing a destructive agenda. Get all the car sites to attack and out these people. Do investigation journalism and put members who have an agenda or are getting paid to push the attack on car fans. If the law is unjust, and it is, someone is on the take. Expose it or it’s not worth it.
Yep, start building indexes of names, addresses and business interests. Also legal histories. Once complete, then start lobbying with this info. Start writing articles about individuals that are connected.
I have said many times in the past: file the legal complaint against AAMVA for the RICO violations by restricting the market and consumer’s choice. Yet, nobody is thinking of this…
FOIA request a list of State legislators who own vehicles built before 1968
Ah yes, that’s why I’ve seen a Kei truck with a neat koi-patterned wrap cruising on Highway 64.
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Would it really hurt these people to do some research??
They are government workers they don’t do the work so if you don’t like how they handle your pet agenda remember they are screwing over everyone else so don’t vote for them.
There is a huge difference between “government workers” and people you vote for.
Despite the current narrative, gov workers, by and large, are apolitical, and they work just as hard as anyone else. Moreover, they likely work in government because they want their work to actually help common people.
Compare this to the “noble” status of working for private industry, where one’s work only enriches the already rich.
Is it any wonder why rich people seem to think everyone should work for them, and attack government workers, who can actually regulate them? Gov workers are a case of “the poors” trying to help people and regulate the robber-barrons. Hence the reason they are vilified by those same barron’s.
Now, those we actually vote for?
Screw ’em all.
Very freedom. Much small government. Wow.
Yes but even on this site a majority wants big government to control other people but leave them alone.
I see these cars to be roughly as safe as a 1948 Jeep… or a Henry J. (Domestics of that size and vintage)
True but 99% of the time vehicles don’t get in accidents why pass laws for the 1% who do? Motorcyclist doesn’t need a helmet but a small car needs to be banned unless it is the safest vehicle out there. Hey we are all going to die shouldn’t we get to pick how? Lieing in a bed at 90 living in my own feces is not my choice.
Helmets are required in 16 states. State-by-State Guide to Motorcycle Laws (w/ Maps) And in another 32 states up to a certain age.
I’m not in favor of a compromise, but that might be one way around an outright ban. Wear a helmet. I mean, I’d rather be inside a kei truck or car than on a motorcycle if someone hits me.
This whole thing is so stupid.
I think we are of the same opinion. Though more states have no rules on helmets we’re is Illinois on the Helmet rule? On the other hand the Reliant Robin beat the rules as a 3 wheel motorcycle. Is there a way to classify Kei cars as a 4 wheel motorcycle due to HP ? Just spit balling
probably more safe than my 1992 chevy s10 that truck is a borderline death trap.
Honestly, this may be one of the few cases I would encourage Montana LLCs.
You need to find out who your enemy is if you want to fight this. I suspect it’s politically connected ATV dealers worried about the Kei trucks cutting into their sales. Follow the money for answers.
I don’t feel like that’s the ones behind it, most of the literature is saying you can import these but they’re only for off-road, so that’s not a win for ATV dealers. The crushing thing is a bit extreme but sounds like some administrator getting full of himself too.
I just wonder what people are cross-shopping when they get a Kei ? hmm can’t make up my mind between the Ram 450 Bohemoth edition, the Canyonero or the Suzuki Carry, don’t think these are hurting any new vehicle sales
They would be if the only choices were Ram 450 Bohemoth edition, the Canyonero or jaywalking. Which I suspect is the ultimate goal.
BTW, there’s a construction company in the Chicago ‘burbs that’s brought in a whole fleet of 25+ year old Scania trucks. They don’t meet FMVS safety standards either, they exceed them! International Motors has some Scania’s in their private fleet too, and I suspect there’s some pre-production builds of the upcoming International conventional on Scania chassis running around Chicagoland too… IL DMV gonna crush them too?
Sure they’re imported? Scania did officially sell trucks in the US briefly, mostly in the Northeast.
You cant have a KEI car or truck, now get back in your perfectly legal Model T with no front brakes and no seat belts and be on you merry way.
I had a neighbor who street parked his Model T year-round in MN. I couldn’t decide if he was brave or crazy….
Both can be true at once.
Well, they surely didn’t have to worry about anyone driving off with it!
And thin sheet of glass to “stop” you from jettisoning outward in the collision…
The comment about Minis being built in the US really made me laugh. These people really dont know shit, do they.
It is just as plausible, if not more so, that whoever made that counter-argument made a split-second decision to lie.
Perhaps the dumbass who uttered that nonsense is actually from an alternate timeline where we never defeated the Brits.
Really odd question to be asking, but I’m sure there are native reservations in Illinois – are they allowed to register vehicles independent of the state that houses the reservation? Or does a state’s DMV supercede the tribal authority when it comes to automobiles?
A fun end run around this might be to work with a tribal government to put together some sort of a “register your Kei car here” program. I’m sure it wouldn’t be popular with the state, but I’m also pretty sure the state isn’t all that popular with the tribes, either.
The only downside being the state seizing and then crushing the vehicle if you drove it on a road anywhere outside of the reservation…
Yeah, maybe not such a hot idea after all.
Then again, maybe there’d be a way to “wash” the banded title, to get them reissued without the taint?
Just spit balling here. I’ve got no idea of the legalities of any of this.
Took a brief look at Google Maps, and saw no reservations in IL.
Wow. That kinda surprises me.
https://news.wttw.com/2024/04/19/illinois-now-home-federally-recognized-tribal-land-after-prairie-band-potawatomi-nation
Interesting. I guess Google is a little behind the times with that then.
I’d rather get T-boned in an intersection by a Kei car, than a F150.
Which is the unsafe one again?
Safe is only determined by the safety of the passenger in the tested car not the safety of the popsicle class project.
My point exactly.
I think that’s a flawed way of thinking. Especially allowing beginner drivers to operate 6000 pound cars on a learner’s permit.
Anyway, the regulators are saying that Kei cars are a danger to the public, and obviously they are not.
I want to point out that FMVSS did not exist until 1968, so everything built before 1968 also does not meet FMVSS, if you were to take this stance to the logical conclusion
The only “safety regulations” prior to 1968 were sealed beam headlamps that were standardised in specific shape and size in 1940 along with orange bulbs for the front turn signal indicators in 1963.
Also laminated safety glass, which became mandatory in 1936
Illinois banning shit they have no clue about? Say it ain’t so.
This is the big difference between states that actively involve themselves in your life and those that don’t. Way too many politicians are willing to pass laws on shit they have no understanding of whatsoever.
Yeah. Not that they even read the bills they vote for, as several House members have confessed to recently.
I’d love to know which states those are, but I don’t think they exist. I’ve found Missouri and Kansas to be more than willing to insert themselves grotesquely in their citizens’ lives, while advertising “freedom” as a core value. They’ll even bowl over initiative petitions passed by clear majorities if a few powerful people don’t like them.
Depends, I think it’s mostly relative to the size/budget of the Government. Broke governments can hardly pay for essential things, so they don’t have the budget to pull shit like this.
I know that politicians willing to pass laws on things they don’t know about isn’t a new thing, but it sure seems way more common now. Or maybe I’m just paying more attention.
It’s definitely not a new thing, tech has just allowed us to see things real time without having to go through a news channel, paper, etc., not saying it is or isn’t censorship on the part of the news channel, but there’s limited time to report on things, and things like this likely wouldn’t make the news as it’s a fairly niche issue.
Nuclear option, with potential huge downside. Starting finding out of those in power here, who has classic cars. Then start petitioning to fully enforce the AAMVA rules that those classic cars are death traps and need to be off the road. As others have pointed out, when they start coming for the 55 Chevys, 69 Camaros, etc., then maybe they’ll start caring……..you know, when it impacts them.
Well a 69 Camaro meets FMVSS, but a 67 or earlier car wouldn’t.
Damnit!
America: we’re ignorant and proud of it. Get those pesky facts out of my face!
Gadsden flag really ought to say “Don’t Educate Me.”
Tread was easier to spell.
Hmmmm… You just gave me a thought… Has the Gadsden flag been culturally appropriated by willfully ignorant people?
Mercedes, so how are you planning to register your recently acquired Honda?
Virginia, Montana, South Dakota…there are options that aren’t here. Shhhhh.
I’m aware of the Montana and South Dakota….um..procedures. But what’s Virginia got to offer besides annual car tax?
For now, it’s sort of a safe haven for people with banned Keis.
But our state taxes vehicles annually as property. Not that bad if you tell them it is a nonrunning project, but it is a different kind of shitty.
I am fine with paying tax to my home state, but I am also fine sending some tax dollars Virginia’s way if they can help me out.
I really wish rich people would stop using certain other states as a tax loophole, as it risks the ability of registering cool cars for others – NY or IL or CA is much more likely to go after people dodging taxes than people forced to register a kei car somewhere else.
If you need a legitimate out of state address, and even a parking space, let me know. Same offer I made to DT – I’ve got an unoccupied apartment available with a parking space to match. And in your case, I’m just one state over. There’s even a railroad museum nearby.
Good old chicken tax level 2. These people all think that these will replace locally produced vehicles as your initial purchase price is so low. But then then forget the rest of the costs that barely makes it affordable and it’s more of a crapshoot due to various grading techniques.
People forget that Illinois has quite a few assembly plants and a long automotive manufacturing and supply history. So this is another reason for their protectionism.
Clearly the solution is to get out of Illinois. I got out of Illinois, then out of New Jersey, and I guess Michigan is mostly OK, but sometimes I wonder.
But seriously, these states just need to do what they normally do and make money off it. $100 extra for annual registration or something. Instead they are using resources for hearings and enforcement that does nothing but cost the state money.
Get people angry at the state for wasting taxpayer dollars on this law and enforcement when they clearly have budget problems in the state.
I also got out of Illinois. It’s a police state as kei car owners are finding out. After they crush your kei car, and they WILL do it, the Illinois gangsters will then go after the owners further for questioning their authority.
It’s not a coincidence that crushing kei cars came up in this administrative hearing, as THAT WAS THE PURPOSE of the State granting the hearing in the first place. The purpose of the hearing was not for the owner to state his case. Illinois DOES NOT CARE what its serfs think, all they want is the serf’s submission to authority and their money.
I would advise any kei car owners to move their cars out of Illinois ASAP or sell them. Illinois is going to crush them to teach the kei owners a lesson. The lesson is “we are Illinois and we own you, now shut up and submit.”
Given the current political climate, making a Blues Brothers Illinois nazi joke would be inappropriate?
“I HATE Illinois Nazis”
Well, there is a bill proposing a Dolly Parton plate ????????????????????
Indiana is right here.
I’m seeing an opportunity for an enterprising individual to open a JCCS (Japanese Car Collector Storage) business just over the border. Maybe even a small chain to cover more area…
That should be the state slogan.
It’s always cheaper in Gary.
Just do not bring the politics haha I like my lower taxes, gas prices, gun rights and being able to own what ever vehicle I like.
Well, as long as it passes emissions
*For Porter and Lake county residents only. Which I heard is only because of Chicago and the all the Steel Mills in this area gotta off set the carbon some how so I guess put it on the people and not the companies.
If it hits the fan, just sell it in a Kei friendly state. PS- I could never live in a deep blue state. I got out of NY when I was 24. Best decision in my entire life – so far.
If the state comes after me, I’m already prepared to do what it takes to give the state hell. My wife is more than willing to tie up state resources for years in the courtroom. It’s so shockingly effective that not even my HOA messes with me anymore.
Hopefully, things will never get to that point!
The advantages of being married to a lawyer. Sure, this might not be her area of law but she understands legalese and that is like 3/4 of the battle.
Implying the author would be better off in a red state is extremely funny.
I would love to move out of Illinois. Sadly, some of my favorite states either have laws against folks like me already (Florida) or their politicians are more obsessed about what’s in my pants than I am. So I’m staying in the flatlands until politicians can stop being a bunch of dicks.
Wisconsin is right up the street. I know most of our politicians are useless troglodyte republicans bent on what is under your skirt or in your pants, but we do have the EAA, Lake Michigan and Lake Superior along with about 10,000 little lakes. We had a proud liberal tradition, and for the most part we let people be people. As a blue plate guy (3>25 years old) I have not had any issues with the dmv. Granted I have not yet tried to bring in an old Renault 5 or my dream Citroen DS 21, but there doesn’t seem to be any roadblocks to my doing so. Also some of those Fiat RV’s are pretty styling
Wisconsin rules…but check where they rank in terms of property tax. Mercedes has talked about what she wants in a property, and the terrible taxes there might scare her off.
We LOVED Milwaukee so much we were looking at houses when we were ready to leave Colorado. Glad I looked into property tax though. They were more than half the reason we decided against it. Other half: it is the most segregated city in the states. I initially couldn’t understand how the places we were visiting seemed whiter than Denver.
Depends where you live. Here in Glendale we are delightfully integrated. I refer to our block as a mini United Nations and we love it. Taxes are what we pay for civilization. And a friends son is moving back from Denver cause he says it is to white. Our next door neighbor couple have (L) have a they child. Mercedes would love this area, as we have big driveways to park toys on.
I don’t need much convincing. I still think it is lovely and want to visit more.
Probably bring some Spotted Cow home with me.
Oh. Oh no. Oh no no no.
Florida is your favorite state? </s>
Cue the bugs bunny cartoon where he is sawing FL off to float it out to sea
Which FLA law is “against people like me?” Really. They ll put you in jail? Come on now. STOP IT.
“funny” isn’t the adjective I was thinking of, but I’d probably get banned if I used the more accurate ones that first came to mind.
Aside from abortion and LGBTQ topics our red state pretty much leaves us alone. We aren’t even required to have clean air and water here….
Putting aside the comment disregarding human rights, why wouldn’t you want cleaner air or water, exactly?
Must be too woke for an
idiotaverage Joe.Sorry, should have added a /s at the end.
Ah ok. All forgiven then.
Kei cars are unsafe !!! What about motorcycles? Thats different. How; exactly?
Because…..looks at papers…..
Lobbyists.
Meh, you won’t win that fight. Motorcycle can go plenty fast and squirt out of trouble much better, you just have less chance of surviving in the instances where you fail to squirt.
But it certainly could be said that every one of those “SMART” Cars, older Geo Metros and every new Mirage might be just as unsafe as a KEI. Or perhaps any EV with a Lithium based battery.
The mirage and Metro are not a Kei class car. In Japan it’s a super mini class. Those are bigger than a Kei, but smaller than a say a Civic.