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It Feels Like Cars Are Changing Less Than They Used To. Let’s See If This Is True

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I’ve been reading some interesting things online lately about the pace of cultural, artistic, and technological change. Specifically, it seems that there’s a growing perception that things are, well, stagnating. And this isn’t just a few curmudgeons saying this on various message boards; it’s many curmudgeons saying this in some very large and influential publications.

It’s being noticed in fashion, art, music, and pop culture. Technology, too – old standbys like Moore’s Law (where the number of transistors on a microchip doubles every two years) are largely considered dead, for example. And, of course, people have been saying and thinking the same thing about cars as well, that the development and change in automobiles has slowed down in the past, say, 20 years or so.

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Is all this true? Maybe? I mean, yeah, I still have clothes I wore 20 years ago that pass unnoticed today, and it’s easy to imagine that someone dressed in 1960s attire in the 1980s would have, to say the least, stood out. But what if it was just jeans and a T-shirt? Then maybe not. I think it’s possible that changes are happening that, while important, are less obvious than before. And it may be that way with cars, too.

I own cars from the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2010s, and they all feel quite different. But most of them are weird cars that hang onto deeply archaic designs and technology to begin with, so those aren’t really good examples. I want to try and think this through, so to do so, let’s take cars from one manufacturer that has been around since the beginning of the 20th century, and sold mass-market, mainstream cars. We’ll use Ford, and pick primarily examples of their best-selling passenger cars.

Oh, and it’s probably worth noting I’m focusing on gasoline, internal-combustion cars here. Electric vehicles, I think, are in a different position developmentally, so we’ll maybe address that development in another article.

I want to try and see if there really is a stagnation happening, and if so, what is it about? Is it just a superficial thing, or something deeper? Let’s dive in, decade by decade, and see what we can find out.

Let’s start at the very beginning, 1903, when Ford Motor Company started:

1903 1913

FoMoCo’s first real mass-market car, the Model A, was still very much a product of the natal motor industry. While automobiles had existed in some forms since 1769, gasoline-powered private automobiles were still very new in 1903, and standards and common practices were still being decided.

You were sitting atop the flat-twin, 8-horsepower engine, cooled with big, crude, finned radiator tubes, and a body that was like a loveseat sitting on a wagon. You sat on the car more than in it, and it really wasn’t especially reliable or capable.

Ten years later, though, we have the Model T, built since 1909: a truly mass-produced car, practical and rugged and reliable, with a 20 hp inline-four, a real, encompassing body, front engine/rear drive, and something that could be afforded by huge numbers of people.

These ten years represented a huge leap.

1923 1933

Ten more years, and the Model T has evolved a lot. There were electric lights, an electric starter (even if the crank was still an option), fully enclosed bodies were more common, and the design, while still based on the 1909 original, was getting more unified, less an aggregation of parts.

A decade later, we see some genuinely huge changes: a 1933 Ford had the first mass-produced V8 engine, and automotive design had come a long way, with more complex compound curves, and while fenders, headlights, and running boards were still separate entities, there was a further unification of body elements into a cohesive whole.

Control standards for pedals, wheel, and shifter, and so on, had become standardized by the 1930s, leaving the Model T’s old idiosyncratic three-pedal system and hand-operated spark advance in the dust.

This decade also saw pretty significant changes. A 1930s car generally felt quite different than a 1920s car.

1941 1953

We have to use a 1941 Ford here instead of one a full decade ahead, thanks to a big inconvenience known as WWII. But that’s fine, as there are plenty of significant changes to be seen between the 1930s and 1940s cars. Designs have become far more harmonious, and while fenders are still separate units, the body has still widened overall, and complex curves have become even more pervasive.

The flathead V8 was still in use, but the driving experience was definitely evolving. The next decade would change things even more, as the 1950s brought about fully unified body designs with fully integrated “pontoon” fenders and a lower, longer silhouette that would define the general proportions of cars for decades to come.

Creature comforts and power-assistance would also flower in the 1950s, with vacuum or later electrically-assisted windows, seats, antennae, wipers, and more becoming common. Automatic transmissions would start their rise to popularity in this decade, and cars would generally become significantly easier and more comfortable to use.

Styling would also get more and more exuberant, culminating in the wildly chrome-slathered and tailfinned cars of the later ’50s.

1963 1973

The 1960s were, in many ways, a reaction to the excesses of the 1950s; while there weren’t necessarily massive technological innovations, there were some, like the increasing popularity of unibody construction, like what the 1963 Falcon up there used. The 1960s also saw a swing to some more compact cars and an overall simpler, cleaner aesthetic. Once again, cars from this era felt very different from the decade prior.

While there were still plenty of V8 engines for ’60s cars, inline-6s and fours were not uncommon, and imports (and responses like the Corvair) saw more exotic things like air-cooled opposed engines.

The 1970s were, in turn, a bit of a reaction to the more restrained ’60s, with cars tending a bit bigger and more exuberant styling, with interiors that sometimes resembled space bordellos. Best-selling cars like the big Ford LTD there had massive V8 engines and stuck with body-on-frame construction for a while longer, but also started to at least pretend to care about safety with standard seat belts and even seat belt ignition interlocks.

1983 1993

Thanks to oil prices and the increasing presence of Japanese imports in America, Ford made some pretty radical changes in the 1980s, with their best-selling car being pretty wildly different from their best-seller 10 years prior. The Escort was a compact unibody car with a transverse engine and front wheel drive, and fuel injection was even an option for the first time in 1983. All of these technical traits would become dominant in the years to come, even beyond compact cars.

A 1983 Escort looked, drove, and felt very differently from a ’73 LTD. This was a huge shift in how cars were, with the concept of a “world car” – that is, a basic platform that would be used in markets all over the globe – coming into prominence.

Moving into the 1990s, we see the same formula used by the Escort – transverse front engine driving the front wheels – adapted to a mid-size car in the Taurus. Aerodynamics were now a very influential part of exterior design, with regular wind tunnel tests affecting so many details of a car’s hardware. Door handles were more flush, and composite headlights were now becoming rapidly universal, replacing the old round or rectangular sealed beam lights.

I tend to think of the 1990s as the start of the truly “modern” era of cars, and driving a ’90s-era car today doesn’t feel all that different than a new car in many ways. But it felt pretty different from an ’80s car.

2003 2013

The SUV era was starting in the late 1990s, and by the 2000s had firmly taken root. The average car became a tall, big-tired wagon we all called SUVs. Aerodynamic, eroded river-rock-type styling remained dominant, looking like an evolution of aesthetic ideas that started in the ’90s.

Electronics continued to advance both invisibly, in ECUs and other engine management tech, as well as more noticeably, as features like cruise control and power everything became effectively standardized.

By the 2010s, those electronics were now sprouting very visible center-stack infotainment touch screens on pretty much everything, and styling was getting a bit more aggressive. But these didn’t feel all that different than 2000s-era cars, really.

2023 2026

Between the 2010s and 2020s, things have definitely changed, but I think more evolutionary than revolutionary. Buyers seemed to gravitate to even bigger cars, so the Explorer now outsells the Escape, and styling has perhaps gotten a bit more complex and ornate, though still aero-focused and an evolution of what we’ve been seeing since the 2000s.

Touchscreens have become dominant in the interior (though there’s a current backlash to that), and electrification is far more common with not just full battery EVs but hybrids, and advanced driver assist features like lane keeping and dynamic cruise control are now common. Cars of the 2020s are incredibly advanced machines, no question, but when I get in my 2010 Volkswagen Tiguan, it’s not as different from a new 2026 VW Tiguan as, say, getting into a VW from 1994 or so.

Let’s think about this another way; let’s look at whole generation spans of time, say 20 years. How different do cars 20 years apart at various times in history feel? Let’s look:

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I think it’s safe to say that of all of these, the gap that feels the least significant is 2003 to 2023. Just compare that 2003 Explorer to the 1983 Escort and I think you’ll see what I mean. Those are radically different driving experiences, even beyond the differences in size and type of car.

Or look at the Escort compared to the Falcon – they’re not even close in so many ways: driving experience, safety, efficiency, design, and so on. Same with the jump between 1963 and 1941, or 1941 to the Model T. All of these generational gaps seem positively radical.

Except for the most recent. So maybe there is something to this theory of stagnation.

Or! I actually think something else is at play: the kind of development that is happening. I think maybe it’s less about stagnation as much as it is that we’ve exhausted the low-hanging fruit. The big things to learn about aerodynamics, engine management, or power electronics have already been learned. Now we’re at a point of refinement and deeper development, and those changes simply aren’t as noticeable.

But advancement is still happening every year. Is it all good? I think the fact that heated seat subscriptions and touchscreen glove box releases exist tells us that, no, it is not all good. But it’s definitely happening.

So, I guess I feel comfortable saying this: it is true that obvious and dramatic automotive development and advancement appear to be stagnating. Maybe, like microchips and Moore’s Law, we’re past the easier early stages of dramatic development. Maybe we’re in the early stages of more refined, deeper, and subtler developments.

Just like how computer CPU speeds don’t seem to ramp up as dramatically year-to-year as they once did, other advancements have taken over, and raw MHz speeds aren’t even something geeks crow about anymore, really. All modern cars are, generally, fast, comfortable, and efficient. The big basic problems have been addressed. So what comes next?

That I’m not sure about. I don’t think we’re stagnating, though. I just think it feels that way. If that bothers you too much, you can do what I do and drive genuinely archaic crapboxes; then anytime you step into something even from this century, it’ll feel like you leaped into the future.

Top graphic images: Ford

 

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Tinibone
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Tinibone
15 days ago

I think another thing is coming into play too, since the 90s the operable lifespan of a vehicle has been significantly longer than those that came before it, so the stylistic influence of those cars stays in the public consciousness for longer and makes us feel much more used to a 20-30 year old design, and therefore relate that design to current model year cars than we would have done 20-30 years ago

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
15 days ago

Or! I actually think something else is at play: the kind of development that is happening.

They will all eventually be crabs.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago

They certainly look more like crabs every year.

Timbales
Timbales
15 days ago

I’m okay with a lack of change for the sake of change. There’s a lot of talk about the ecologicial impact of ICE vehicles and how EVs are the answer, but rampant consumerism is just as much of a problem. What we get is new, bright and shiny with gadgets that give the illusion of innovation, where we could be getting innovation that actually does something in terms of safety, sustainabilty, and making people better drivers.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Timbales

We’ve used innovation and engineering to make things more “extreme” because… I feel like super hero movies are partially to blame but also probably coke zero as well. I can elaborate but it’ll get Malcom Gladwell levels of thought experiment.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago

“All modern cars are, generally, fast, comfortable, and efficient. The big basic problems have been addressed. So what comes next?”

SO many new frontiers of corporate malfeasance to explore!

Data mining, subscriptions, subscriptions, subscriptions, 666 month leases with your firstborn and/or droit du seigneur if conditions are met as the down payment, automatic blackmail (pay us or we rat you out to your insurance AND your spouse!), no right or ability whatsoever to repair, legally binding lifetime brand loyalty, contractually obligated nothing but exuberant praise “honest” opinions, all the emissions, extra leaded gas, cardboard box crumple zones,…

Last edited 15 days ago by Cheap Bastard
Church
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Church
15 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

SO many new frontiers of corporate malfeasance to explore!

I cackled. Thanks.

Eggsalad
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Eggsalad
15 days ago

See also: the “double-diamond” bicycle frame. It basically hasn’t changed in design for 120 years. Why? Because it’s right.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

Not really a true comparison, you’re conflating straight lines between mounting locations (wheels go here, bottom bracket here, butt here, connect the dots) with design. Frame design and frame geometry have both changed drastically and continue to do so. There was a video on one of the Berm Peak channels not too long ago about if we look at mountain bike frame geometry from the last couple decades then contunued those trends out at that pace where would we be in 10 years. You’re example I feel like would translate somewhat into “cars have 4 wheels, seat vaguely in the middle, perfect design”.

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
15 days ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

A lot of E-bikes are moving away from the “double-diamond” frame in favor of stepovers and folding bikes.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
15 days ago

You are correct. This is not just a auto thing. Every product invented goes through this. Mouse traps, clocks, watches, etc. You start with one design and improve it as time goes by and at some point you reach the end of the line. You ever see a toaster from the 1900s? Use the same timeline and you will see many improvements up until the modern pop-up with a bagel setting.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago

I see your innovation argument and I choose to counter with the toaster oven obstacle. I’d argue that the toaster oven is more prevalent in the (American) home than an actual toaster despite the fact that a toaster oven is neither a real oven or a real toaster and kinda sucks at both BUT it includes other features like a convection option and a hand searing glass door… So people buy those. Instead of a car (toaster) or truck (oven) everyone went with the toaster oven (suv).

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
15 days ago

You do raise an interesting point

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago

I am cleaning out the ancestral home, and came across a couple 1910 toasters and my adult children had no idea what they were. Admittedly one of them was for use with a gas range. The bread goes inside a box that toasts it style that we know is a 1920s thing.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I came across a gas range one at a thrift store recently and I’ll admit I didn’t know what it was right away either. Growing up we had the horizontal style with a slide out tray, I haven’t seen one of those in a very long time, and it only did one side- I didn’t learn about double sided toast till college!

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago

Maybe it was a bagel toaster?

When I went to college in NY after growing up in California, they had a toaster that was a conveyor that you put your bread in and it carried it through an oven and toasted one side, then you put it through again for the other side.

One semester we came back and it was toasting both sides, apparently it was “broken” and someone “fixed” it. There was a great deal of displeasure expressed by the bagel eaters, petitions were signed etc. and it went back to toasting one side only.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I got curious enough and got to looking, it was a Munsey MT-95 which was marketed as a broiler toaster which is a very accurate description. Looks like it was later 50s though 60s. I also came across a later version made by Munsey that was a combo broiler baker and you literally flipped the whole appliance over top/bottom depending on what you wanted to do- even had labeling that read from both sides. Looks like you’ve triggered a “later on rabbit hole” of things for me to go down, I may have judged too soon… toasters may have a more fascinating history than I thought lol. That makes me wonder what came first the conveyer toaster or the conveyer pizza oven.

Andy Individual
Andy Individual
15 days ago

I’m fully expecting Tesla to introduce tiller based steering. So much ketamine going around…

M SV
M SV
15 days ago

This would be an interesting exercise with pickup trucks. Utility mainly dictates design I suppose SUVs fall into the same lane.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  M SV

*illusion of utility. FTFY

M SV
M SV
15 days ago

I suppose suv has been that way since the 90s and truck maybe mid to late 2000s. They didn’t get stupid big until the last decade or so. I guess you could argue once the crew cabs took over utility was an illusion. Work truck spec is still utility first.

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Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  M SV

I’ll admit I was mostly being snarky about dumb design features that people HAVE to have then it either sucks or it does work and they never use it. An example that comes to mind is 110v outlet in the bed. Everyone has a grand illusion of running a table saw off one while building their off grid humblemansion. In reality you plug a hair dryer into it once to while slightly drunk and wet in the garage. I often find myself here as well, so it’s easy to see why it’s exploited so often.

M SV
M SV
15 days ago

The inverters are often underpowered by a factor of 3 to run anything serious. You can charge your tool batteries with them or the one in the cab. But then why are you going to ac back to DC. USB C PD has made everything better.

The trailer backup system is the thing that gets me. Especially the ones that come with the stickers to put on the tounge of the trailer. It’s a gimmick. The extreme cow boy Cadillac stuff in a platinum f-series is up there too.

But the guys with the external resovoir shocks along with way to big of rims and stretched low profile street tires that loose traction in the rain take the stupid award. It’s somehow even funnier on a duelly. Watching those show up to a equipment rental place run by GOBs has to be one of the funniest things you can witness.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago

Table saw??
A pickup is to take the lumber to the saw not the other way around!

Hairdryers are sort of the worst case electrical load. A Fender Twin Reverb is the obvious use for a 110 volt outlet in a pickup bed.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

That was actually a real story, someone that I have associations with has a youtube maker channel and had an episode sponsored by an automotive company and that’s what they wanted him to do- go out to an empty lot and power all the shop equipment from the bed outlet while he built a table or cabinets or something. The sticking point ended up not being the wattage, but he had a SawStop table saw that had some electronics in it that didn’t play well with the inverter. Unfortunately, they didn’t discover this until already into the shoot. It became a running joke for a long time “yeah… but can you plug a table saw into it?”

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago
Reply to  M SV

If utility were a consideration, American pickups would look like pickups sold everywhere in the world except in America. Or like 1970s American pickups. They wouldn’t have huge fragile grills, shitty expensive fragile headlights, and terrible visibility.

SUVs are even worse. Some how they are big on the outside, but are cramped in the inside. As a matter of fact all new cars are cramped in the inside now. Especially if you have size 12 or larger feet,

M SV
M SV
15 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

True the trucks people are buying have gotten too big. But work spec trucks are relatively normal sized. For instance a 26 Silverado is 211 in while a 76 c10 is about 190 in.
26 Colorado is 213in.
26 Hilux is 209 in . Previous gen could be had in a single cab at 195 in or long bed up to 208 in.
Single cab d-max is 206 in. Crew cab is 209 in.
The crew cab ranger is 215in.

Maybe not as utility focused as a kei truck but not all that different from a ranger or Hilux or dmax. The crew cabs are what ruins the utility of modern trucks but what people buying them seem to have to have. There are also people that claim not to be able to fit in kei trucks. If someone has long legs it might be true.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago
Reply to  M SV

Thanks to fleet buyers, I mean seriously, fleet buyers are the only source for rational used trucks.
I like to have a beater truck around but I drive it maybe a few hundred miles miles a year max, and I don’t want it taking up space.

Also sometimes fleet spac vehicles come with column shifters. If manual shifters are nearly extinct, why are the shifts still on the floor?

M SV
M SV
15 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

All my trucks have a bench seat and a column shifter the way tucks are supposed to be. The dial with all the junk in the center is the most annoying because it could have just gone somewhere on the dash.
I’ve found some great deals on ex fleet trucks at auction. Have just what you need and nothing you don’t.
It used to be dealers would highly discount the work truck spec trucks sitting on their lots when they had them that’s starting to happen again to some degree.

Last edited 15 days ago by M SV
FleetwoodBro
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FleetwoodBro
15 days ago

I would agree there’s been a reduction in character in terms of design. My understanding is safety regulations (and consumer expectations via NHSTA ratings) have driven homogenized styling. Side impact regs means less glass, more stormtrooper helmet. Passenger impact regs means a taller hood no pop-up headlight option. Rollover regs means thicker pillars everywhere. Rear view cameras seem to have opened the door for a long festering desire to eliminate rearward visability. The requirement for efficiency means everything is a derivation of the “one true shape” because aerodynamics demands it. Further, cars don’t have visible bumpers anymore so there’s not much “jewelry” to style.

They say nostalgia pushes the rising prices in the classic car market. I’m sure that’s a big part of it, but I think the desire for something that looks more interesting, like it was styled with a freer hand, has an important part to play. Even a 1977 Chevrolet Impala looks rather delicate compared to current offerings.

Hoser68
Hoser68
15 days ago

I was thinking about that recently.

Let’s go back to the time when I was learning what a hoser was on SCTV. Around that time, Lawrence Welk was finally hanging up his bubble machine and toupee and no-longer trying to force all of music into an hour long show about tiny bubbles and big bands that would have felt dated musically 40 years earlier.

Welk was a Big Band guy that missed Big Band Jazz of the 40s, the Smooth Jazz of the 50s, Rockabilly, Motown, The British Invasion, Classic Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk Rock, Prog Rock, Disco and New Wave movements. He not only missed how they played music, but also how they dressed, dance and even stuff like how they talked and acted.

Now going back… Steven Tyler is a judge in American Idol (last I checked). He can spot talent and knows what people like to vote for. His first hit was in 1975, or 61 years ago. He’s enough on the pulse of what people like that he’s a judge there, along with Lionel Richie (53 years since his first hit).

Yes, things have changed, but nothing like as radically as from Welk to David Bryne (Talking Heads) in those 50 years.

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
14 days ago
Reply to  Hoser68

But the Polka music kicked ass…/s

Hoser68
Hoser68
14 days ago
Reply to  Rich Mason

Replace the KI in kicked with SU, and I would agree with that statement.

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
14 days ago
Reply to  Hoser68

“Anna 1, Anna 2, Anna 3…”

Jim Zavist
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Jim Zavist
15 days ago

The insides are changing more than the outsides . . . and not for the better. We’ve entered an arms race with screens, automation, and LED mood lighting that continues to answer questions most people don’t care about. It will be interesting to see how Slate fares as the anti-tech-opulous manufacturer.

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago

I suggest anyone that thinks the automotive industry has been stagnant look at the following report that EPA publishes every year on industry trends.

Massive increases in HP and fuel economy (up 40%) over the last 20 years while the vehicle fleet dropped from 50% sedan to 25%.

https://www.epa.gov/system/files/documents/2026-02/420r26001.pdf

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
15 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

I think the headline doesn’t quite match the content. External styling and design for most manufacturers has stagnated, but as you point out, powertrains made tremendous efficiency gains since 2000.

For example, my coworker’s 2026 Highlander hybrid gets better fuel mileage than my 2012 compact sedan.

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago

Which is one of the reasons that sedans have fallen out of favor. Why not buy the larger vehicle if it still gets good fuel economy.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Because the sedan will get much better fuel economy and is less likely to kill whoever it hits.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Hello fellow human car enthusiasts. Curious if we have something in common. It kinda hurts my soul a little that we’ve chosen to use tech and engineering that give us cars with more hp than f1 of just decades ago, but we’ve settled for “this truck gets better mileage than an old car!!” Instead of looking at how efficient we could make that car… Your know… If we still made cars. I don’t need a 600hp HELLSNAKE FREAK FEST WARLOCK Camery… I just want a small car that gets 60mpg. And it needs to be cute… Why is everything so “tactical”… Grossness.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago

“I don’t need a 600hp HELLSNAKE FREAK FEST WARLOCK Camery… I just want a small car that gets 60mpg”

Same here, as long as it meets first world safety and emissions standards.

“Why is everything so “tactical”… Grossness”

I have become a fan of tactical “cop” pants, not because I envision myself as some kind of badass but because they are intended to be worn all day in comfort while also being far more practical and durable than anything I’ve found at REI at twice the price. That kinda translates to why “tactical” cars like Panther platform prove so popular even among those not looking to cosplay “cop”.

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

With $3 /gal gas driving 15,000 miles year:

15 mpg = $3000 spent on gas per year / $58 per week
30 mpg = $1500 spent on gas per year / $29 per week
45 mpg = $1000 spent on gas per year / $19 per week

We like to complain about gas prices but at the end of the day gas is a small expense for the typical new car buyer. People will pay an extra $10 a week to drive a larger car. In the USA we have bought cars by the pound for decades with the typical person buying the largest vehicle that fits their budget.

As for safety for people in other vehicles – give me a break. People are about safety for me and mine. Good luck selling the idea that someone should increase risk to their own family to lower risk for someone else’s family.

I like small cars and drove a Spark EV for 3 years but I’m also a realist about how the industry actually works.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

“People are about safety for me and mine. Good luck selling the idea that someone should increase risk to their own family to lower risk for someone else’s family.”

They are indeed which is exactly why government regulations are needed, to prevent the inherent selfishness of individuals from putting everyone else at undue risk.

“People will pay an extra $10 a week to drive a larger car.”

Depends on where you live. Plenty of city dwellers prefer smaller cars because living with a land yacht in a city is more hassle than it’s worth. For Europeans that and the price of gas is greater and for third world folks that extra $10 is more of a sting.

But if you’re a living truck/SUV commercial where hauling and towing is your livelihood then that extra $10 is just the cost of doing business.

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

*edit* wrong person

Last edited 15 days ago by Ashley Volvoslut
Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago

How does that Highlander hybrid fuel economy compare to a 2026 Prius?

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

35 mpg vs 56 mpg. A bit more than one pint of beer a week difference between the two.

Sales of the new Prius have cratered because Toyota made it completely impractical chasing a few mpg. Only 9713 sold in the first quarter. The front blind spots are quite literally unsafe.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
14 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

According to Toyota 57 MPG Prius customers are buying 51 MPG Camry hybrids instead:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/prius-sales-are-tanking-so-far-in-2026-we-asked-toyota-why

Whatever the reasons 51 mpg is still better than the 35 mpg of the Highlander.

*Jason*
*Jason*
14 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

No doubt buyers are buying the very practical Camry vs the impractical Prius. I’ve driven both and the Prius is a horrible place to spend a week.

Yes, 51 is better than 35 but still too small to matter in actual dollars and cents for someone buying a new car. Saving $10 a week doesn’t convince people to buy a smaller and less useful vehicle.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
14 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

“No doubt buyers are buying the very practical Camry vs the impractical Prius. I’ve driven both and the Prius is a horrible place to spend a week.”

I haven’t driven either. I did drive the previous generation Prius though and I agree its visibility was less than stellar. That said I do like the styling of the new Prius so if the visibility is as bad as you say I will be quite disappointed.

“Yes, 51 is better than 35 but still too small to matter in actual dollars and cents for someone buying a new car. Saving $10 a week doesn’t convince people to buy a smaller and less useful vehicle.”

If that were true Toyota wouldn’t be selling so many Camrys. Those Camrys aren’t being bought because the dealer was out of Highlanders.

*Jason*
*Jason*
14 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

I owned an 05 and 09 Prius (2nd gens). My parents had a 2010 (3rd gen). I rented a 2024 (5th gen) for a week as well as a 2025 Camry. In the 5th Gen Prius the mirror is very low because the roof it very low. Sitting normal the mirror blocks about 1/3 of the view out of the windshield. I had to lower the seat way down and recline back to get any forward visibility and at 5’9″ I’m not tall. (The 5th gen roof height is almost 3 inches shorter than my 2nd gens)

The Camry outsells the Highlander because it starts at $29,300 and the Highlander starts at $45,970. Nobody spending $45K – 55K on a new Highlander is worried about spending an extra $10 a month on gas.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
14 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

So why then does anyone buy a hybrid Highlander when the cheaper, non hybrid Highlander is right next to the hybrid on the showroom floor?

*Jason*
*Jason*
14 days ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Larger fuel savings
A price increase that is less than $2000
Less complexity
The psychology of seeing 21 mpg on the window sticker of the standard Highlander.

At least that is why my boss went with the hybrid when he bought a Highlander lasts month.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
13 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

Perhaps.

I think it would be better in the long run for there to be more Camry hybrids than Highlander hybrids on the roads but I’ll be happy to not let perfect be the enemy of good.

TheSpaceCadet
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TheSpaceCadet
15 days ago

I think you hit on it very well Jason.

Automakers are trying to make platforms last longer. I think the latest toyota camry is another good example, the underlying platform of the current camry goes back to at least 2015, while the drivetrain has changed over the years and now gone 100% hybrid with and outer reskin with the latest generation, and the interiors have updated…. a lot of the car under the skin has not had major changes.

Automakers are definitely trying to change less and less of the car you don’t see and feel… as much as possible.

InvivnI
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InvivnI
15 days ago

I think you’re missing a trick by keeping EVs separate. The driving experience with a modern Tesla with one-pedal drive and instant acceleration is vastly different to that of a car from the early 2000s. However, I agree in the last ten years things have slowed down in terms of the overall feel of driving even an EV – I doubt there’s that much difference between a Model S from 2016 and a Model 3 today.

I also see why you’ve stuck to ICE cars as they’re still the dominant sellers – but perhaps it’s just that all the innovation has moved on to electric and hybrid vehicles?

In a related note, in the last decade I think the biggest change is probably infotainment, especially when Android Auto/Car play came out. Cars without this functionality (or an in house equivalent) instantly feel dated and less useful in comparison these days. The upside is you can retrofit most cars from the last 30 years or so with AA/Car play.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
15 days ago
Reply to  InvivnI

But aren’t screens and such options or add one and not very critical to the actual car operation basics?

InvivnI
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InvivnI
15 days ago

Absolutely, but in terms of the process of getting ready to drive it’s been a big change – for the better, imo. No more stuffing around with a phone mount or using the probably out-of-date GPS, or playing the guessing game as to whether your phone will automatically connect to Bluetooth and play music. Admittedly some wireless AA/CP systems can still suffer from the latter issue, but I’m finding it less common as the technology matures into a basic feature of pretty much every new car.

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago

I’d say for most customers infotainment is more important than driving dynamics.

Space
Space
15 days ago
Reply to  InvivnI

I find AUX and a USB slot way more useful than AA and carplay.

InvivnI
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InvivnI
15 days ago
Reply to  Space

I’ll preface this by acknowledging there’s no one-size-fits-all when it comes to this sort of stuff – but I’m genuinely curious as to how you see an AUX port, whereby you have to mess about with cables (that invariably break after a few months) and adaptors (as newer phones mostly lack a 3.5mm jack) is better than a system that automatically pops up in your dash, providing free access to the most up-to-date maps and your favourite music apps? And if it’s wireless it’s connected and working as soon as you turn on the car. I do not miss the 30-second rummage through the centre console to dig out the GPS, plug it in, mount it up, wait for it to find satellites – then another 30 seconds messing with aux cables and the music app on my phone.

The old school USB port for your iPod or a USB drive I am a bit nostalgic for, but these days I don’t have time to curate a playlist off board the car and load them all into a USB stick every few weeks to keep things fresh – and my MP3 player is long-gone.

Space
Space
15 days ago
Reply to  InvivnI

For the AUX since I don’t use iPhones I do have a 3.5mm jack on both my primary phone and a secondary one that just has music and stays plugged in. No adapters just one cord and done and it’s never broke. I compare that to the Dodge Uconnect system in my spouse’s car, it fails to connect automatically by Bluetooth a good 20% of the time and sometimes won’t work at all. The Bluetooth module has failed and drained the battery before too. Very frustrating to come out to a dead car just for the “ease” of Bluetooth.

I guess the big reason it works is I don’t use streaming, most of my music was either ripped from CD’s I buy or downloaded from limewire decades ago. No ads no money spent on subscriptions, no internet needed and the perfect Playlist with the exact songs I want.

InvivnI
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InvivnI
14 days ago
Reply to  Space

Fair enough, I suppose I’m at the stage in my life that music streaming is convenient as I don’t have the time like I used to to curate music. I will point out that the vast majority of new Android phones also lack 3.5mm headphone jacks, the last phone I owned that had one was an LG V30 5+ years ago.

Also you’ll find the infotainment on many other car brands far more reliable than Dodge’s. I think we had maybe two lock-ups on our Mazda’s system over three years of ownership. The Sync 3 system in our Ford Territory has never failed to connect (though the Sync 2 system it replaced was a bit crap).

Also I’ll still argue that having Waze or Google Maps on the factory head unit is just great, so much quicker and convenient than a separate GPS unit or a phone mount.

Chris D
Chris D
15 days ago
Reply to  Space

Or a bluetooth FM transmitter, which will play podcasts and music from your phone on your car’s sound system.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
15 days ago
Reply to  Chris D

But at FM resolution. Modern stereos can handle better.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago
Reply to  InvivnI

The down side is that you can’t get rid of or replace the infotainment stack if you don’t like it. Functionality creeps into it because it’s cheaper to put all the controls on the screen once it’s there.

I have high hopes for the Slate driving demand for BYOS (bring your own screen) being the norm.

InvivnI
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InvivnI
14 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

I agree, I’d much prefer HVAC controls and the infotainment system to be separate entities – it still is on some cars though it’s getting rarer it seems.

I get the desire to be able to BYOS, but it limits the interior designer’s options, a bit like how those old standardised sealed-beam headlights did in the 70s.

Having said that, BYOS is still a thing in the Japanese domestic market and it seems to work quite well. Even my grey import 2013 Toyota Crown Athlete could be optioned without the infotainment unit. You could only do it on the very base model though, likely because the higher trims needed the OEM unit for the GPS-guided adaptive suspension and braking (which doesn’t work outside Japan, of course). It’s more common on Kei cars nowadays, and it’s very common for the owners to take the head unit with them when they sell the car.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
15 days ago

I agree with this whole article. Visual stagnation, non visual progress, and keep driving old garbage.

We haven’t stagnated on one key visual point though. Rims just keep getting bigger!

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
15 days ago
Reply to  Lockleaf

The rims can do whatever they want, but I want at least a 5 inch sidewall. Actually I’d like a sidewall that’s at least as tall as the curb. Also why are the wheels sticking out past the tires? The front wheels on any truck with six or more tires gets a pass, but other than that, WTF?

Watching some idiot in a crew cab truck with low profile tires going back and forth making a 9 point U turn because they are afraid of the curb would make me laugh if I weren’t stuck waiting for him.

Vulcan's Forge Hot Sauce Co.
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Vulcan's Forge Hot Sauce Co.
15 days ago

I agree with Jason’s analysis that the dramatic changes over 10/20 year periods have definately slowed down but I think the reason that it may be a point of discussion on the interwebs is due more to the fact that there is less variety in the vehicles you see out on the road these days – endless silver/black/white SUVs & crossovers with very similar styling. All of the funky designs and colors are long gone that made driving more of a sightseeing trip for us car guys.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
15 days ago

Your premise appears sound. Here are other examples of vehicle marques to stick with the same design language over the last 15 years or so:

  • Audi
  • Cadillac (same since 2008)
  • Ford F series (little change since 2015)
  • Jeep Grand Cherokee
  • Mazda
  • Mercedes
  • Mini (although its whole shtick is based on nostalgia, so maybe not fair)
  • Ram pickups
  • Subaru Legacy and Outback
  • Teslas
  • Volkswagen

The only marques to switch-up their design language over the last ten years or so are Hyundai/Kia and BMW. Hyundai and Kia went in positive directions, and BMW not so much.

Zerooneonezerozeroonezerozero
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Zerooneonezerozeroonezerozero
15 days ago

fun article Mr.T. Now do the Porsche 911.

JokesOnYou
JokesOnYou
15 days ago

the great flying american SUV is next.

A. Barth
A. Barth
15 days ago

Control standards for pedals, wheel, and shifter, and so on, had become standardized by the 1930s

I believe we can credit a 1918 (1916?) Cadillac with being the first model to have the three-pedal arrangement we all recognize.

A. Barth
A. Barth
15 days ago

Woohoo!

“We can credit a 1916 Cadillac with being the first model to have the three-pedal arrangement we all recognize.”

I looked it up 🙂 The 1916 Model 53 was the first and the 1918 Model 57 was an updated version.

TheJWT
TheJWT
15 days ago

I can’t help but feel like we’re in a new malaise era, where things don’t change because people simply don’t have the mental bandwidth to care when the world and society at large seems to be circling the drain

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Lockleaf
Lockleaf
15 days ago
Reply to  TheJWT

I can’t agree with this. Much beauty is created in darkness. The human soul thrives on expressing its challenges through art, and in sharing that expression together. Not to say darkness is good, only to counter that the human soul cannot thrive in difficulty.

Nor do I think the world, or our lives in Western Culture, is truly as severe as the internet would like us to believe. The last 20 years were a period of truly exceptional, and utterly unheard of, world peace. That seems to have ended. But in no way do I believe the average person’s life is harder than it was in the US in 1943 for example. And Western cultures created some truly amazing things during the depths of WWII.

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago
Reply to  TheJWT

New malaise era? The average new vehicle in 2025 had 258 hp yet the fleet average is up to 28 mpg.

TheJWT
TheJWT
15 days ago
Reply to  *Jason*

True, but they’re arguably less reliable than cars of 10-15 years ago, all look the same, weigh 5000 lbs, and no one can really afford them. The cars are different than they were in the 70s, but the general feeling of miasma is certainly lingering again

*Jason*
*Jason*
15 days ago
Reply to  TheJWT

No, cars today are not less reliable than cars 10-15 years ago.

They also don’t weight 5,000 lbs. In 2004 the average new vehicle weighed 4111 lbs. In 2024 that was 4354 lbs. In 1975 the average new vehicle weighed 4060. Over 50 years automaker have basically used technology to reverse the downsizing forced on buyers in the 80’s by CAFE regulations.

Cars also cost less today like for like:

A base 1995 Toyota Camry (manual / coupe) cost $16,128 and the median household income was $$34,080. That is 24.6 weeks of income.

A base 2010 Toyota Camry (manual) cost $19,375 and the median household income was $49,280. That is 20.4 weeks of income.

A base 2024 Toyota Camry (auto) cost $26,490. Median Income was $83,730. that is 16.4 weeks of income.

Space
Space
15 days ago
Reply to  TheJWT

The world is actually doing pretty good right now, better than 1983 1963 and definitely 1943 or earlier.

Chris D
Chris D
15 days ago
Reply to  Space

Since we just got a 2-week reprieve from the start* of WWIII, we are all feeling just a little bit better. Most of humanity can learn from history, a few individuals, apparently, can not.

*entirely unnecessary

Ashley Volvoslut
Ashley Volvoslut
15 days ago
Reply to  TheJWT

I agree with the malaise era comparison from a design perspective. Both then and now cars became absolutely loaded to the brim with useless tat and complexity for the sake of complexity. Malaise era was driven by an excess of engineers coming into senior positions (young guns from the war that were were hitting their stride a couple decades into their careers). This era is driven by an excess of us industrial designers hitting senior levels (hi, I’m Ashley!) and we’re once again back to tat for the sake of tat and faded chamfers on everything down to the flip up fold out side eye air vents. And just like the excess of engineers led to cars that were engineered as well as a French bulldog… Too many designers led to the current era of tactical tupperwaremobiles.

D-dub
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D-dub
15 days ago

Ignoring electric cars in an analysis of car advancement is kind of a big omission though. I bet saddle technology stagnated in the early 20th century.

Amberturnsignalsarebetter
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Amberturnsignalsarebetter
14 days ago

Just like the maintenance on your farm truck!

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
15 days ago
Reply to  D-dub

Actually, saddles have followed the pattern Torch describes. The major big things were figured out, and it shifted to subtler changes. But major western saddle technology continues to see shifts, moving to synthetics and fiberglass options, allowing for both reduced weight and increased seat comfort.

The Mark
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The Mark
15 days ago
Reply to  D-dub

I see your point, but I think for this thought exercise, he just wanted to do apples-to-apples if you’ll pardon the cliche.

Rippstik
Rippstik
15 days ago

This seems to add to my theory that peak-car was 2005 (plus or minus 5 years). Thoroughly modern, but none of the subscriptions or touch capacitive bologna.

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Hoonicus
Hoonicus
15 days ago
Reply to  Rippstik

Torch was instrumental in developing bologna tech!

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
15 days ago

Carcinization

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
15 days ago

This is because we aren’t “progressing” in car design as much as we are “refining” and “optimizing” in car design. There is a maximum efficiency in the shape of a car to hold 8 people and their things and still be aerodynamic, fuel efficient, comfortable, safe, etc.

I do believe that we on the cusp of a new design revolution as we begin to phase out the combustion engine and the designs are no longer tied to keeping an engine cool, breathing, etc.

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