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One Of The Rarest Chevrolet El Caminos Is A Thrifty V8 Diesel Everyone Forgot About

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America once had a love affair with the coupé utility. These little trucks promised to be the best of both worlds. They were cars that you could take to town on the weekend and then use for work during the week. No ute is for sale in America today, and in their last gasp, they got weird. In the final years of the iconic Chevrolet El Camino and its brother, the GMC Caballero, General Motors sold a small car-based truck with a thrifty V8 diesel engine. There was only one problem: it came too late to make a difference.

For more than the past three decades, diesel engines have been known for their distinctive combination of power and fuel economy. Diesel trucks regularly return better fuel economy than their gasoline-powered siblings while also putting down more torque. Historically, these engines have also been known to survive hundreds of thousands of miles, often with only minimal repairs. Diesel engines may be losing their edge today thanks to high diesel prices, sometimes poorly implemented emissions equipment, and the rise of diesel-like gasoline engines, but most heavy-duty pickup trucks still ship with diesels.

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However, the story was very different back in the 1970s. Back then, diesel engines were not applied to pickup trucks as a method of upping their firepower. Instead, America went through not just one, but two gas crunches. If that wasn’t bad enough, the nation’s economy was in a trough, too. Suddenly, everyone cared about saving fuel.

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Automakers and inventors scrambled to find ways to ease the pain, from the rise of fascinating, but ultimately crappy electric cars, to developing vehicles powered by Wankel rotaries. The diesel engine was also seen as a bit of a magic cure. Several decades ago, diesel was usually cheaper than gasoline. Small diesel truck engines were not powerhouses in those days, but they sipped fuel compared to their thirsty gasoline counterparts.

General Motors often gets a bad rap for how it handled its diesel program of the late 1970s. Indeed, early examples of the 5.7-liter Oldsmobile diesel V8 were infamous for finding fascinating, yet infuriating ways to break. But what’s not often told is that General Motors fixed its diesel. GM’s diesel engines actually became pretty good for the era, just in time for everyone to stop caring. One of the victims was what would become one of the rarest models of GM’s famous coupé utility. Yep, the El Camino came in a diesel version, but its run was so short that it barely even existed at all.

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Goofing Up

The story of how General Motors screwed up the Oldsmobile diesel V8 has been told countless times since its inception. If you’ve missed those explainers, I’ll keep it short. Here’s what Lewin wrote about the Oldsmobile diesel V8’s development:

Oldsmobile engineers decided to start with what they knew, and based their work on the existing Oldsmobile 350 cubic-inch V8. It was this decision that played a role in the failures to come. That’s because a diesel engine typically runs at a far higher compression ratio than a typical gasoline engine. A gas engine might run at somewhere between 8:1 and 12:1, while diesels typically run from 14:1 to 22:1. This is mostly because gas engines are desperately trying to avoid compression ignition of the fuel, while diesel engines rely on that same effect.

The engine’s designers took this into account to some degree, designing a reinforced block for the diesel application. Other changes included hardened camshafts, larger main bearings, and tougher, thicker connecting rods and piston pins.

For all that the engineers did, they didn’t go far enough. The diesel engine’s heads used the same head bolts and 10-bolt pattern as the gas engine. This decision was made to allow the diesel engine and gasoline engine to share some of the same tooling. However, it meant that the head bolts were extremely overstressed in the diesel application. They were more than capable of handling the cylinder pressures of a gasoline engine, but they couldn’t take the additional strain of the high-compression Oldsmobile diesel design, which ran at a lofty 22.5:1. The design really needed more head bolts, and likely stronger ones too, but budget concerns won the day.

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Not often reported in these tales is the fact that General Motors controlled a 60 percent share of the diesel passenger car market.

The engine, which launched in 1978, was pushed hard into the GM product portfolio. Oldsmobile said that it sold 19 different models that were available with the engine. GM diesels were plopped into everything from coupés and sedans to wagons and extended wheelbase executive cars. These diesels sold exceptionally well, too, with General Motors selling hundreds of thousands of examples each year. Sales peaked in 1981 with more than 310,000 diesel cars sold. When all was said and done, GM had installed diesel power into over a million cars and pickup trucks by around 1985, with most examples actually being cars.

That’s phenomenal. To put that into comparison, in the modern day, Volkswagen was the king of diesel car sales in America with its TDI “Clean Diesel” cars. In 2014, right before the hit of Dieselgate scandal, Volkswagen sold 79,422 TDIs in America, a fraction of the diesel cars that GM used to sell in the 1980s. In 2014, these cars represented more than a fifth of all of Volkswagen of America’s sales.

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Despite its success in the marketplace, the Oldsmobile diesel V8 drove down a bumpy road, as I previously wrote:

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The Oldsmobile diesel V8 had a knack for stretching or snapping its head bolts, leading to blown head gaskets at best or hydrolocking from coolant ingestion at worst. If your Oldsmobile diesel V8 didn’t blow its head, it could have also lost its injectors and internals to corrosion since Oldsmobile neglected to add a water separator to ensure your diesel fuel didn’t have water contamination. Yet, if you somehow lucked out on both counts, maybe the timing chain would stretch out.

The Oldsmobile diesel V8 was so infamously unreliable that it wasn’t certified for sale in California. Normally, something like this would happen because of emissions. In this case, it’s because all nine of the Olds diesel-equipped cars failed to complete the state’s emissions testing program. Every test vehicle had engine issues while seven of the vehicles had additional transmission issues on top of their bad engines.

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If you’re scratching your head about how engineers could make such a garbage engine, you should know that, reportedly, it wasn’t really their fault. As The New York Times reported, Oldsmobile diesel engineer Darrel R. Sand tried to blow the whistle, and his efforts were allegedly met by getting fired.

As the New York Times wrote, General Motors was hammered by lawsuits left and right. Individuals sued, consumer protection groups sued, groups of people sued in class actions, and even the New York Attorney General sued GM over the diesel debacle. When the dust settled, General Motors had to deal with the 10,000 people across 14 states who demanded a uniform redress program in addition to all of the other lawsuits.

Not Giving Up

Here is where many stories about GM’s diesel development of the 1980s end. Less often reported is that General Motors corrected the disaster.

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In 1981, Oldsmobile launched a new, fixed version of its 5.7-liter diesel. Engineers redesigned the diesel’s heads, used stronger head bolts, and upgraded the head gasket material. Further improvements, Curbside Classic notes, came to the Stanadyne injector pump. The previous iteration had a plastic collar that had a knack for failure, while the new version had a metal collar. GM also changed the engine’s glow plugs and transitioned from flat tappets, which wore quickly, to roller lifters and hardened cams. These upgraded engines, identified with “350 DX” on their blocks, didn’t suffer from nearly as many failures as the earlier engines.

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As a result, the New York Times wrote in 1983, complaints about engine failures dropped precipitously in 1981 with the debut of the upgraded engine. Finally, General Motors built the Oldsmobile 5.7 diesel that it should have made in the first place, and as I noted, diesel sales hit their peak that year.

It wasn’t a fluke, either. The video above shows John Davis of MotorWeek praising an Oldsmobile 98 Regency for its quality improvements and good fuel economy.

The El Camino Goes Diesel

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The story of the El Camino is a great example of how being the first isn’t always the most important thing. In American coupé utility lore, the Ford Ranchero, which launched in the final days and hours of 1956, blew the public away. It wasn’t the first American coupé utility, but it was the first for what was then the modern era, and people were hooked. The Ranchero was a truck, a car, and a fashion statement all in one package.

As In The Garage Media writes, it’s possible that designer and executive Harley Earl might have pitched the creation of a GM coupé utility as early as 1952. General Motors took its time to wade into this market, first experimenting by building pickup trucks with car-like body details like the 1955 Chevrolet Cameo Carrier. Ultimately, it would take the Detroit giant until October 16, 1958, to deliver a proper coupé utility to market. The El Camino was born.

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The El Camino might have been nearly two years late, but General Motors did its homework. The El Camino bore GM’s freshest styling for 1959 and, importantly, rode on the new GM B platform that underpinned the Brookwood station wagon. This made the 210.9-inch El Camino about eight inches longer than a Ranchero, and the El Camino rocked rather splendid full-size style.

Underneath, GM said, the El Camino was pretty close to being a proper truck with a steel double-wall bed and protective steel skids in said bed for the loading of heavy items. Payload was 1,150 pounds, or 40 pounds short of a well-equipped Ranchero. GM’s wanting buyers to think of the El Camino as a type of truck was reflected in the marketing. The Ranchero wasn’t a member of Ford’s F-Series, but Chevrolet was happy to call the El Camino a Task-Force truck.

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It was also just pretty neat as a vehicle; buyers had a choice of one of 23 color combinations and engines ranging from a thrifty 235 cubic inch straight-six that made 135 HP gross to a rumbling 348 cubic inch V8 good for 315 HP gross. In its first year of sales, the El Camino sold 22,246 units, more than the 14,169 Rancheros sold in that same year. The El Camino would continue to eat the Ranchero’s lunch throughout its production run. Ford was first, but to many consumers, Chevrolet did it better.

Ford would give up on the Ranchero in 1979, but GM’s coupé utilities from Chevrolet and GMC managed to keep momentum into the 1980s. That’s where the diesel comes in.

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The El Camino entered its fifth generation in 1978. For this new El Camino, Chevrolet kept with the times and downsized its coupé utility. However, as Old Cars Weekly writes, engineers were concerned that making the El Camino too small would compromise its capabilities. Their solution was to make the El Camino’s body some seven inches shorter to 201 inches, but extend the wheelbase by one inch to 117 inches. This engineering trickery had the effect of lowering weight by up to 300 pounds, while still resulting in a larger cab than the fourth-generation model.

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As Old Cars Weekly notes, the fifth-generation El Camino was a body-on-frame design, and the base engine had become a 200 cubic inch V6. In the earlier El Camino, the base engine was a 250 cubic inch straight-six. Quality improvements included 14 noise-insulating body mounts to quiet down the cab and double-walled metal for the doors, hood, bed, and tailgate.

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A total of eight engines were offered during this generation. The weakest engine, the aforementioned V6, made 95 ponies, while the hottest gasoline engine, a 350 cubic inch small block V8, made 170 HP. The weird engine choice debuted in the 1983 model year, and it was the updated version of the Oldsmobile 5.7-liter diesel V8, which made 105 HP.

As noted earlier, the addition of a diesel here wasn’t for power like it would be in a modern truck. Instead, it was all about saving money. The diesel made 200 lb-ft of torque, which was bested by the 240 pounds of twist offered by the 305 V8 offered in the El Camino in the same year. This was also reflected in towing capacity, as diesels could pull 2,000 pounds, but El Caminos with the 305 could tow 5,000 pounds.

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Something interesting is that, according to the brochure, if you bought the El Camino diesel, you could not get a sport suspension or the gauge package that included a trip odometer and a clock. But you were able to get the package with a trip odometer, clock, and tachometer.

This diesel engine was also sold in the El Camino’s twin, the GMC Caballero. GM never quoted fuel economy numbers in the brochure, but as Diesel World notes, the diesels were good for the mid-20 mpg range at 55 mph in other applications. That was great back then, especially considering that gas V8s got in the teens in the same conditions.

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Unfortunately, the diesel El Camino never resonated with buyers. Diesel El Camino and Caballero sales were halted after 1984, after only a few examples were sold.

Diesel No More

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No official explanation exists for the short life of GM’s diesel coupé utilities, but MotorWeek has explained why American diesel cars failed in the mid-1980s to begin with. In one video, John Davis explains that, by the mid-1980s, the price of diesel had risen past the price of premium gasoline. This was a problem because diesel cars were already significantly more expensive than their gasoline counterparts, and few buyers were interested in paying more for the car just to also pay more for fuel. Davis also noted that by 1984, diesel cars accounted for less than four percent of all cars sold in America.

It was only a year later when GM canceled its diesel program, which by that point had also included a 4.3-liter diesel V6 and other variants. For nearly three decades after, General Motors would stay out of the diesel passenger car market, instead leaving that field to marques like Volkswagen. GM wasn’t alone, either. Even Japanese brands that had experimented with diesel in the 1980s in America, like Toyota, also gave up.

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Tradecraft Specialties, which claims to get its data from the GM Heritage Center, says that only 571 El Camino diesels were built in 1983, followed by 98 in 1984. GMC Caballero diesel sales are unknown, but they’re believed to be even rarer than their Chevy sibling. I couldn’t find original MSRP data for the diesels, either. Either way, the diesel El Camino is so rare that even Google’s wholly incompetent, useless AI thinks that it didn’t even exist.

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Keep up the good work, Google. Thanks for the job security!

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Sadly, the diesel version of the El Camino was so short-lived that I could not find any period review. That said, I’m not sure it matters. As we established, getting a diesel meant less power and less towing capacity. The only reason to buy one was to get V8-ish power with V6-ish fuel economy, but that advantage had been largely erased by the mid-1980s.

Still, I find myself in love. Imagine rolling up to a car show, people thinking that you diesel-swapped your El Camino, and then those people find out that it was a factory job. But that was just how General Motors was back then. It believed in diesel so much that it put diesels in darn near anything that moved. I wonder what might have happened had GM gotten these engines correct from the start?

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Speedie-One
Speedie-One
2 months ago

The article clearly states why it is rare and why it is forgotten. Looks like a reason to publish an article about GM’s diesel failures than it is about the El Camino.

Speedie-One
Speedie-One
2 months ago

That’s fair. I grew up during the 70s and 80s when it seemed GM could do nothing right. GM always managed to “fix it” just when the bean counters gave up on it. Good luck finding that diesel! If I come across one I will let you know.

TDI in PNW
TDI in PNW
2 months ago

It’s wrong so often that what it says is meaningless. “AI overview” is just another mostly useless thing we have to scroll past to get to the stuff we want.

James
James
2 months ago

If GM really believed in diesels back then they wouldn’t have cut so many corners with the initial design.

Drh3b
Drh3b
2 months ago
Reply to  James

Cutting corners is what GM specialized in those days. It’s not the only engine that GM cut corners on.

James
James
2 months ago
Reply to  Drh3b

I’m chevy tech and GM still cuts corners, I wouldn’t say they specialize in it since it doesn’t often work out well.

Eric Gonzalez
Eric Gonzalez
2 months ago

…the El Camino

That’s like saying “The The Camino” or more precisely “The The Road/Path”. It grinds my gears a bit.

Martin English
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Martin English
2 months ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

Which means “an El Camino” is “an The Camino”, or “an The Road / Path”.

Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
2 months ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

El Camino is Spanish for “The Camino”.

I can’t remember what movie that line was in, but somehow is is burned into my brain.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas Metcalf

Might have been “My Name Is Earl”.

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Thomas Metcalf
Thomas Metcalf
2 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

Could be. I do remember watching that show ages ago.

Andrew Pappas
Andrew Pappas
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas Metcalf

All I can think of is the chris Farley SNL sketch where he’s a wrestler named “el niño”

Sammy B
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Sammy B
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Pappas

100%. I honestly think he’s little hesitation before saying “the nino” may be my favorite things he ever did. and he brought a lot of funny in a short period of time

Gubbin
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Gubbin
2 months ago
Reply to  Eric Gonzalez

…and then there’s Torpenhow Hill, AKA hill-hill-hill Hill, which isn’t even a hill.

Toecutter
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Toecutter
2 months ago

This is worth checking out. Daryl Hannah, who played the role of Pris in Blade Runner, had a diesel El Camino running on biodiesel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZUfRJD0aQ

Lizardman in a human suit
Lizardman in a human suit
2 months ago
Reply to  Toecutter

Haven’t seen ya in a while, was starting to worry. Always good to hear your input.

Toecutter
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Toecutter
2 months ago

I’ve been posting multiple times per week. Not as much as I used to, since I have many other things to do right now.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
2 months ago

“Keep up the good work, Google. Thanks for the job security!”

Soon enough AI will gaslight anyone who contradicts it by instantly rewriting all copies everywhere of whatever digital data doesn’t agree with it. To prove AI wrong will necessitate digging through whatever analog hardcopies still exist…if they exist at all anymore and only those records hidden from AIs brainwashed human minions willing to do whatever dirty work it needs done in the analog world.

Damn, I should turn this into a movie. Or at least an episode of Black Mirror.

Bronco2CombustionBoogaloo
Bronco2CombustionBoogaloo
2 months ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

All hard copies have been disposed of via memory holes. Eastasia has always been at war with Eurasia.

Mthew_M
Mthew_M
2 months ago

Surprised it took that long to get it offered – I wonder if Chevy/GM considered it ‘too sporty’ for a diesel, like the Corvette and Camaro? Further surprised it got the V8 instead of the V6, which is what most G-bodies that got a diesel received after it debuted in ’82. Very strange indeed.

*Jason*
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*Jason*
2 months ago

Aunt had a 82 Olds 98 with the diesel. Engine didn’t last 80K miles and sold it to my dad for $1. My dad pulled the diesel and swapped in a gas engine. (Traded our snowmobile for the engine – it was a very sad day)

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
2 months ago
Reply to  *Jason*

My grandfather always bought 98s, except during the period when his company was doing a lot of business with Chrysler. He was a WWII Pacific veteran and always held a lot of animosity towards Japan, at one point, he banned employees from parking Japanese cars in the main parking lot at work. But, his last Oldsmobile was a 98 diesel, he kept it a few years longer than he usually did, supposedly because the dealer wouldn’t take it back on trade, then very quietly traded it for an early Acura Legend

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
2 months ago

“They were cars that you could take to town on the weekend and then use for work during the week.” 

As the owner of a silver 1978 Ranchero GT with black stripes for a few years, I believe you transposed “weekend” and “work”. Car stuff -during- the week, and light truck hauling on the weekend.

My brother called it “Go Turd”; he bought it ‘new’ as a demonstrator; I bought it from him 5 years later. He said he wished he’d have just bought a real truck, an F150, instead.

Incidentally, a neighbor bought a Caballero in the early 1980s, but don’t recall the engine in it.

Squirrelmaster
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Squirrelmaster
2 months ago

I have plenty of experience with the Olds 350 diesel, though fortunately most was not negative.

Circa 2000 I had a coworker with an ’85 Monte Carlo SS that he wanted to turn into a drag car, but the Monte was also his daily driver. He found, of all things, a dead diesel El Camino for $500 with plans to transfer the stock Monte drive train into so he could put a built 383/TH400 in the SS. I had no idea the diesel El Camino was rare, and neither did he, but it certainly didn’t make them at all valuable. The El Camino was in shockingly good shape, and he did eventually get the 305/200-4R swapped into it, but I left that company before he finished his build on the Monte Carlo.

Amusingly, he turned the Olds 350 diesel engine block into a coffee table with hopes it would confuse anyone who came to his house and tried to guess what it was.

Sly Bob
Sly Bob
2 months ago

The Google AI is an abomination and is rarely right about ANYTHING!
Yeah the diesel was horrible. My brother-in-law had one and it was in the shop more than it wasn’t.

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Top Dead Center
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Top Dead Center
2 months ago

Mercedes, great content as always! Never knew the El Camino or the Callabero were sold with a diesel!
My dad was a 52 years GM engineer and I recall he had an early 80s diesel Old 98 for maybe 6 months. I just remember it was loud when cold, took forever to warm up, had that diesel smell and oh yeah it broke down multiple times – like call tow truck a few times. I recall it overheated and coolant went all over the garage floor one winter, I think the head gaskets went, dunno. Well at least it did not freeze as quick, heh. But yeah, it was an epic turd…
I grew up in a po dunk Ford/GM ville part of Cleveland so didn’t matter how bad it was, still was not Japanese… that’s just how it was in the 80’s…
Oh yeah I’d be remiss, in that El Camino ad, that speedboat, the woman and the chest hair sandwich man seem like some hilariously bad 80s movie scene is about to unfold…

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Aron9000
Aron9000
2 months ago

Ive always wondered why GM farmed out development of this engine to Oldsmobile instead of Detriot Diesel. Which at the time was fully owned by GM.

Would be interesting to know the politics/backstory on that one. If DD would have came up with a clean sheet design, maybe DD’s proposal was way too expensive, maybe Tom Murphy(CEO of GM in the 70s) or others couldnt stand that “self righteous a-hole” who ran DD at the time. Last one is just speculation, but plenty of times ego and pride keep the right people off a project over a petty personal beef

G. K.
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G. K.
2 months ago
Reply to  Aron9000

Probably becausse Detroit Diesel specialized in industrial applications, which wouldn’t have had the refinement GM was looking for in its passenger cars. However, GM owned a major stake in Isuzu, whose diesel engine experience would have been much closer to passenger-car levels.

Still, I think GM thought the easiest path was turning the Oldsmobile 350 into a diesel because of the ability to use the same tooling and such. And it wasn’t a terrible idea. They simply went a little too far in trying to maintain commonality with the gas version, with catastrophic results.

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
2 months ago

Informative article, Mercedes!

I’ve owned a 5th-generation El Camino for over 25 years and I never knew they were once available with a diesel. I posted a link to this article over on the El Camino Central website to share your knowledge.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
2 months ago

My first college roommate had an Olds 88 diesel – the fullsize *coupe* version no less. It was an absolute epic turd of a car in every possible way, and it was barely five years old at the time. My other roommate had a diesel Rabbit that was actually faster – and a HELL of a lot better to drive. That they made this engine suck less over time does not equal them fixing it – they still sucked.

My folks had a succession of Chevy/GMC trucks\Suburbans with the 6.2 non-turbo diesel. That was actually reliable and very good at towing, but slower than creeping death. Didn’t really matter if the camper was attached or not though, same slow and loud either way.

Harvey Firebirdman
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Harvey Firebirdman
2 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

I have always wanted a 6.2 Blazer or Suburban I know they get a bad wrap but have always heard that they were pretty reliable also got decent fuel economy. When I saw this article I thought there was some weird forgotten 6.2 El Camino haha

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
2 months ago

The engines never gave any trouble, but they ate hydroboost brake boosters like candy. 18mpg towing a big ass trailer – or just driving around empty. But best be patient – they are SLOW.

Bill C
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Bill C
2 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

Many years ago C&D did a piece where they had like a budget of $500 each to pick used diesel beaters and do a long-distance road rally with them. IIRC there was a Delta 88, a Maxima, and something else. The 88 got thru with flying colors and in the end the authors/testers felt bad like they stole a great car from an old man. (Just found the article, ’06, “Battle of the Diesel Beaters”, the other car was a Benz 300SD)

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
2 months ago
Reply to  Bill C

They got lucky. My roommate’s car was a disaster. And it was not that old, and not beat. It was his because his dad got so fed up with the thing so he sent it off to college with the kid. I suppose by 20 years later somebody figure out how to make them not explode other than by yanking them out and replacing them with a gas engine. Which is actually what ended up happening to my roomie’s car the next year after it died yet again.

Bill C
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Bill C
2 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Rhodes

The 88 referenced in the C&D article was a ’82. Per the article above, GM corrected and redesigned the heads and bolts by MY81. (They also had a different stamping on the block to ID the improvements.) So perhaps that ’82 88 was one of the good ones. But as we already know, by then the reputational damage was already done.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
2 months ago
Reply to  Bill C

My roommates was one of the last built. So it had all the upgrades. Still a disaster.

Car Guy - RHM
Car Guy - RHM
2 months ago

Don’t recall ever seeing or knew you could get a diesel in the 5th gen El Camino. Had a 78 SS in the early 80’s originally a 305, but had a 350 transplanted in. They drove and rode great, just that GM used some really crappy grade metal in those things. At 7 years old it I had the windshield replaced and found it was was rotted through behind the window molding at the top. Had some surface rust on lower fender, hit it with a wire wheel and it came off in a chunk.

Matt Sexton
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Matt Sexton
2 months ago

Google may not know there’s any El Camino diesels, but NAPA does. 😉

NosrednaNod
NosrednaNod
2 months ago

As if I didn’t already want one enough…. However….

“Keep up the good work, Google. Thanks for the job security!”

Is there actually job security in knowing that diesel El Caminos existed?

Vanillasludge
Vanillasludge
2 months ago

For people who didn’t live through this era it’s hard to imagine the kind of compromises that were made in the name of fuel economy.

Couple that with a residual reputation of quality that GM brought over from the pre 1972 cars and you had buyers lining up to buy these unfortunate cars.

My neighbors bought a diesel 98 to PULL A BOAT TRAILER, which worked for about a month and then the engine roasted itself.

My dad and all his ww2 era friends could not fathom the idea that an Oldsmobile could be a pile of shit.

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
2 months ago

Six years ago, I was 20 minutes too late to potentially buy a diesel El Camino. It was allegedly in great condition with low miles and the asking price wasn’t bad, but I’ll never really know because another ute-head snatched it up while I was sitting in traffic. Six-hour round trip wasted.

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
2 months ago

In the 80’s a neighbor had a 78 Black Knight El Camino. Boy did I ever drool over that. I also liked the Diablo version the GMC did. So much greatness, that is until you drove it.

Jonathan Green
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Jonathan Green
2 months ago

We had a 1980 Olds Custom Cruiser Diesel with the Fake Wood Trim ™. If being 16 years old wasn’t hard enough, try driving that bit of automotive birth control…

Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
2 months ago

Bishop should consider blessing us with a modern El Camino. Of course, it’s gotta be a diesel… well, a diesel range extender anyways, as this will be an EREV. We gotta see it though.

Avalanche Tremor
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Avalanche Tremor
2 months ago

As I read the well written description of utility coupe and how they were all the rage I realized that another car-bodied trucklet is currently all the rage with the Ford Maverick. It just has two extra doors, but considering how generally nowadays coupes are relegated to sporty vehicles only with four doors being the standard, the four door Maverick is probably exactly what a modern Ranchero or El Camino would be if they’d continued the product lines.

A Reader
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A Reader
2 months ago

We had a ’78 Olds 98 diesel, and the prior owner had upgraded the head bolts, installed a water separator, and it was totally problem free for us for a long time. Eventually it died from an engine fire, due to a battery failure.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
2 months ago

There were at least 5 distinct Oldsmobile Diesel engines. There was the original 5.7/350 V-8, and the completely revised engine in this ElCo. There was also a 4.3/260 V-8, again based on the 260 V-8 gas. I think it was like 80hp on a good day.

Then there were at least 2 4.3 liter V-6 Diesel engines. Cribbing the Chevy playbook, Olds cut 2 cylinders off the 350, yielding a 4.3 V-6. Near as I can tell, there was one variant for longitudinal installation and a second one for transverse-engined cars like the FWD A-bodies. I used to know all the engine codes, but that was long ago.

Last edited 2 months ago by Eggsalad
Grey alien in a beige sedan
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Grey alien in a beige sedan
2 months ago
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Were you a mechanic back in the 80s? Those guys made fat bank on just about every GM car then. Can’t believe that people would rely upon GM cars back then for their daily commute.

Eggsalad
Eggsalad
2 months ago

I wasn’t a mechanic, but I lived through that era. Assuming you didn’t, maybe your not aware that (until the late 1980s, at least) there were vast numbers of Americans who would not consider owning an imported car. No matter how awful or poorly build, some folks wouldn’t buy anything that wasn’t GM or Ford or Chrysler.

Vic Vinegar
Vic Vinegar
2 months ago
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Yup, but in my experience the people who did buy a Toyota or Honda kept buying them. I guess that is why the Big 3’s market share did what it did in the 90’s.

But in a town that at one point had two UAW plants (which closed in my lifetime) making parts for Chrysler and GM, I’m sure those guys were careful about who they praised their Corolla around.

Top Dead Center
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Top Dead Center
2 months ago
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Some parts of metro Detroit as still like that…

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
2 months ago

Reality is all cars were hilariously terrible back then by modern standards. Where I am from, you couldn’t really tell if Japanese cars were “reliable” mechanically, because they reliably rotted out from under you in a few years. American cars just broke, but they rotted slower. European cars broke and nobody knew how to fix them- some rotted less, some rotted more.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
2 months ago
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“Where I am from, you couldn’t really tell if Japanese cars were “reliable” mechanically, because they reliably rotted out from under you in a few years. ”

They shoulda listened to Jerry but noooo. They refused the True Coat, now they got oxidation problems.

Maxzillian
Maxzillian
2 months ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

The V6 was a little more than just lopping off cylinders. It also got a new deck bolt pattern that increased the number of bolts per cylinder.

Bill C
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Bill C
2 months ago
Reply to  Eggsalad

They actually prototyped a V-5. Not a mis-type. The idea was for a compact package for FWD applications.

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