Last night I drove my BMW i3 to a charging station in Pasadena, where I witnessed some of the most selfish, pathetic behavior I’ve seen in a while. (Editor’s Note: And he works on the internet all day, people! —PG). A Tesla driver saw that his fellow man was in a vulnerable position, but decided not to help in order to save some money. The Lightning owner was unhappy, and a yelling match ensued. The whole situation was absurd.
I’d just driven from Santa Monica to Pasadena to have a birthday dinner (my friend’s parents took me out to a nice Mexican spot) and to volunteer with my friend at a kitten-rescue organization. My BMW i3, equipped with a rather small 22 kWh battery that really only offers about 75 miles of range before it fires up the two-cylinder gasoline “range extender” under the rear floor, was at 3 percent. As I’m not a huge fan of spending money on gas when I don’t have to, I headed to a charging station near the pet store where my friend and I were volunteering.
It’s called the Arroyo EV Charging Depot, and it is absolutely massive, featuring 20 Tesla Superchargers and six “Power Up” chargers featuring CCS and CHAdeMO plugs.
The Arroyo EV Charging Depot at 64 E. Glenarm St. is NOW OPEN! Enjoy these new Level-3 EV fast chargers for FREE ???????????? ???? ???????????????????????????? ????????????????! pic.twitter.com/Mt6jpcGJF4
— City of Pasadena (@PasadenaGov) November 3, 2021
Here’s the setup: You can see lots of Tesla charging stations on the left; on the right side of the image are the non-Tesla chargers:
Here’s a look at the charging depot from the front; you can see the six CCS/CHAdeMO spots right here in the front. A Nissan Leaf, a Chevy Bolt, and a BMW i3 can be seen using them:
Anyway, here’s how the scene looked last night:
I pulled in, got ready to fire up a CCS charger, and a Ford F-150 Lightning pulled into a spot next to me. I had a 175 kW charger, and the Lightning driver was parked in front of a slower 50 kW charger. We chatted a bit, and I decided to trade spots with him given how small my battery pack is (and how huge his is). He’d need the extra power more than I. (Plus, my i3 can only charge at speeds up to 50 kW anyway).
The only problem was, the higher-output charger that I’d just traded was broken. Just after I offered the Lightning driver his old spot back, another high-output charger became available, so the Lightning owner put his truck into reverse and backed up:
But, before he could park at the charger (it might have been before the Lightning owner started backing or maybe slightly after — I don’t recall), a white Tesla backed in. The Lightning owner talked with the owner, saying he had no other options besides that spot; I was in the 50kW charger, and the other two 175kW chargers were broken. The Lightning owner pleaded with the owner (I cannot say how polite he was; it all happened a bit fast), saying there were many Tesla Superchargers wide open, but the Tesla owner refused to move.
The exchange between the Lightning owner and the Tesla owner escalated to shouting and cursing before the Tesla owner walked away from his now-charging car, leaving the Lightning owner with no place to juice up. I intercepted the Tesla owner just to ask him what was going on; “These chargers are only 20 cents; the Tesla chargers cost [about 50]” is roughly what I recall the Tesla driver saying before he left.
It was a pretty poor display of EV charging etiquette. And given how many Tesla owners over the years — since they’ve often been early adopters — have been coal-rolled or had charging stalls blocked by gas cars, you’d think he’d be more sympathetic.
But I wanted to know why this ended the way it did; why there’s a rate difference in charging, and what the city thinks of Tesla drivers using non-Tesla spots. Are there any rules about this?
I reached out to the city of Pasadena, and wound up on the phone with EV Program Manager Evan Johnson. He talked about how, in large part due to the many payment forms they have to facilitate, and also the fact that they aren’t maintained by Tesla (which has dialed EV charging in better than anyone), non-Tesla chargers tend to have more “fault points” and thus down-time than Tesla chargers do.
Pasadena and Tesla build joint sites. “They operate their chargers, and we operate our chargers separately,” he told me, mentioning that the Arroyo EV Charging Depot is one of the busiest in the country, with about 30,000 charging sessions each month.
When I talked with him about the situation I’d witnessed, he gave what I found was an appropriate answer for someone in his position. “Any EV is an EV,” he said. “Tesla has that CCS adapter, so for us they’re just electric vehicles…We don’t dictate what type of EV can charge at that network.”
To be sure, Pasadena banning Teslas—the most popular EV in the city—from a charging network partially paid for by city taxes would not go well, so his statement is a smart one. “We’re a utility, but we’re also part of the city. We’re trying to encourage charging,” he told me. “As a utility, we receive state funds for putting in charging programs.”
The situation between the Tesla owner and the Lightning owner in the Ford F-150 Lightning is one that Johnson said he took responsibility for. “The onus is on us,” he said. “We’re actually in design for an additional 12 [chargers]; we already put in conduit for an additional 12 chargers.” In total, that will make 18 CCS chargers—comparable to the 20 Tesla Superchargers.
“Tesla can build faster than we can. We do have plans to… be comparable in numbers,” he said, noting that the 175 kW chargers cost $85,000 apiece to install. Pasadena apparently has 35 EV charging projects, with plans to have 1,000 chargers before long.
Johnson also noted this about the situation last night: “Our stance is that an electric vehicle is an electric vehicle. I can’t dictate [who charges where]…[the driver] may be an Uber driver; they may be trying to conserve cost.”
I do agree with him. We don’t know the economic situation that the Tesla owner is dealing with. Maybe times are tight for him, and if so, I wish him all the best in resolving that. The Tesla chargers cost 47 cents per kWh during the day, while the non-Tesla chargers cost between 15 cents off-peak and 20 cents peak. So he’s saving around 27 cents per kWh. If his Tesla Model Y Long Range Dual Motor has a 75 kWh battery, and he has to charge 90 percent of it, he’s saving $18 by foregoing the Tesla Supercharger. That’s not nothing.
Sure, the Lightning owner probably only has to wait 20-30 minutes or so for the Tesla to charge (but who knows if the Tesla driver will return on time) [Edit: Per the Lightning owner, who reached out to me via email, the Tesla owner did not return for about 45 minutes. That’s approximately when the Lightning owner left. -DT] , and the Tesla owner did get to the spot first and may not have realized the Ford was on its way there, but I still wish the Tesla owner had had some sympathy for another EV driver who had no other options. I still find that unacceptable; this whole situation could have been so much better resolved. For these two grown men to resort to yelling and cursing—all over what, in LA, barely buys you a damn kale salad at Erewhon.
Figure it out, and stop being so selfish! We’re all in this together, dealing with an imperfect EV infrastructure; let’s be cool to one another.
For my part, I drove off and let the Lightning owner take my spot. My beloved i3 has a gasoline range-extender in the back, after all.
[Update (Aug 24, 2023 17:16 ET): After reading a number of comments, my view on the situation has changed a bit. Whereas my initial stance was that the Tesla driver screwed the Lightning driver over, since the Tesla driver had a bunch of open chargers and the Lightning guy didn’t, the reality is that the cost-delta between the Superchargers and CCS chargers could have been as high as $20 for the Tesla driver, and that’s not nothing. The fact that the Lightning guy was at the chargers first and happened to park at a broken one isn’t necessarily something that the Tesla driver has to concern himself with. I think it would have been nice had he shown a little more understanding given that we’re all in this EV-transition together, and infrastructure is a problem that we all struggle with. I personally would have just charged at the Supercharger with the understanding that taking that cheaper spot puts the other gentleman in a bind, but if I were in a tight financial bind myself, I’d have probably just talked it over with the Lightning driver. Though maybe he was intimidated, as the situation was indeed tense. So I’ve updated the headline and lede; I understand both people’s perspectives, here. -DT]
I’ve owned EVs for a long time, starting with a Nissan Leaf. On the rare occasion that all the chargers are in use, I have always seen a line start and everyone figured out the first come first served concept. People have also always informed me if one of the chargers is broken or you can tell that it is broken if there is a line to charge but one stall is open. For low cost or free chargers, it is the same thing – first come first served. I’ve had someone unplug me once at a low speed charger. I left them a note saying I thought they were in the wrong. I’ve purchased all my EVs used. I charge where the cost is lower. It sure looks like the Tesla guy was already plugged in while the Ford guy was in the process of leaving his spot to go to the other spot. I don’t think the Tesla guy should have been bullied into spending an extra $20 so the Ford guy could charge. Hopefully Ford, GM, and the other legacy auto makers step up and add more charging spots as they produce more EVs
After reading your thoughtful comments, I’ve tweaked the piece, as my opinion has changed a bit.
Thank you all for your excellent dialogue!
A car owner sees an open space. Somebody else said that he wants to use the space. What kinds of cars people drive isn’t all that relevant because it was the only one that either of them could use at that price. It’s not either of their faults if other chargers are out of order, or there aren’t enough.
Suppose it had been an ICEV pulling up to a gas pump. A person goes up to the person who pulled in, and says “I’d like to use that pump because I’m towing a trailer and my car can’t fit anywhere else. Could you please use the gas station across the street at two and a half times the price?”
In that situation, I’d say no unless the person paid the difference. Even though it would be money out of his pocket, his effective cost would be the same as it would be if he could fit in the space across the street.
Likewise, if he offered to pay the difference, his cost would have been the same as it would have been if he had the ability to charge at a Tesla Supercharger. It’s no more unfair to expect him to pay it, and actually more fair since the Tesla driver got to that charger first.
If we take the gas station example a step further and the guy who pulled up to the pump was in a Mercedes S class, would that change things? Would your assumption that he could afford to pay 2.5x the price mean that he should really spend more for somebody else’s convenience?
Tesla electric car uses around 34 kWh of electricity per 100 miles. or .34 KWH per mile, figure an average of 20 miles per gallon for an SUV or CUV and that means 6.8 KWH per 20 miles, at 47 Cents, the cost per gallon equivalent is $3.20 or so, I know the cost of gas is up a bit, but that seem like a pretty big loss on an already price bloated golf cart. I can see why paying half after all those years of stating the charging for life would be free would be a thing. Considering how long someone waits for one of these things to even get to 80%, I can also see this being a continual problem as people more and more say Screw it to paying 1-10 k on charging setups in their garages. Even in the Midwest, the Electric companies are discontinuing the exist rate plans and forcing you into one of 4 that rape you between the hours of 4PM and 8PM each and every day. You knw, about when most people get home from work and plug in those BEV’s
“he told me, mentioning that the Arroyo EV Charging Depot is one of the busiest in the country, with about 30,000 charging sessions each month.”
Each month? How many charging positions are there? Because that works out to like 40 charges per hour..
Yes, correct. There are 26 chargers. Last year, it was sitting at 15,000.
That’s astounding.. That’s got to be close to if not over the average gas pump.
I don’t understand the issue here – the Tesla driver obviously just packs a charging adapter to allow for non-tesla chargers. The Ford driver could (and maybe should?) pack an adapter to use Tesla chargers if this is a regular issue where they live. Was it rude? Maybe, but not by much – this happens over parking spaces all the time, I saw an example on here about gas/diesel pumps, etc.
TLDR – if the Ford driver packed an adapter, this is a total non-issue
Other than Superchargers equipped with Magic Dock, they do not allow non-Tesla charging at this time, as far as I know. Would be great if they did, because that would reduce these sorts of issues.
Starting 2024, Ford will have available adapters to use Tesla Supercharger, and starting 2025, Fords will be built with Tesla (NACS) standard plugs to use a Supercharger without an adapter
Yes, that is true. I’m hoping that the adapter becomes available for everyone and isn’t somehow Ford-specific. (I’m optimistic, since the adapter would physically work for others, but you never know if they’ll set up the communication between the car and the charging station to only allow Fords and Teslas. Seems like it would be easier to push Magic Dock communication standard out, but who knows what kind of deals they have going.)
But the fact remains that the Ford driver could not have avoided this by packing an adapter at this time.
That’s what came to my mind – it’s like the diesel pumps. Gas stations near me have typically 12 pumps, 2 of which have diesel (and gas). Gas drivers constantly occupy the diesel/gas pumps when there are open gas pumps (probably because they are on the outside). I try to politely educate them to use the gas pumps; about 80% of people hadn’t considered it and say that they will think of it next time, the other 20% are just jerks. Funny how everything in life follows the 80/20 Pareto rule.
first of all, I love you for the 80/20 rule. It lives rent free in my mind 24/7. Secondly, THIS! Of the two gas stations near my house I trust enough to use, one has 12 pumps, and somehow 6 of them are diesel, but due to the shape of the parking lot, the gas drivers are always clogging them up because it allows them to pull out instead of reverse out of the bay, the other has 24 pumps and only 2 diesel. My boyfriend exclusively uses this station and ALWAYS pulls into the diesel pump, even though I tell him every single time not to do that, as he has 22 other pumps available to him and diesels only have those two. His reasoning is he drives an admittedly very nice car, and wants to be as far away from other cars as possible, which is understandable, but not at 10 am on a Saturday when the entire city seems to congregate at this gas station. We also live in an affluent city in the south, so there are tons of diesel trucks and a larger than normal proportion of lux diesel suvs, etc. He’s been in the car with me a few times having to wait on the people clogging the diesel pumps, and is finally starting to get it. It’s so confusing because he is the kindest, most selfless person I have ever met, but holy shit if he don’t stop taking the diesel pumps, I’m gonna rage on him some day ????
I’ve seen a few BPs that have standalone diesel only pumps, and I wish it were more common.
why don’t pics/emoji work yet ugh
So, this is something that you and Torch can probably work on and draw up, but gas stations are set up in a way that you can actually get in line for gas. From what I’ve seen, the vast majority of charging stations don’t really have a clear way to get in line to be the next one to charge. It’s more of a free-for-all where “I was here first” is the only way to try to keep things orderly.
Seems like, with more and more EVs hitting the road and increasing demand for charging infrastructure, a redesign of the standard charging station might be necessary. A major challenge is the difference in charge times – when gassing up, most vehicles can be in and out in under 5 minutes, so if you get in line, you know it should be that long before you’ll have access (assuming the person’s not a dick and leaves their car while going in to get a drink).
At a charging station, one car may only need 15 mins to get what they need, while another needs closer to an hour. I’m sure you and the Autopian crew can have a good long discussion about this and come up with a brilliant solution.
Take a number? LOL
This is the one thing that the pile of apps for charging can actually solve. It actually works pretty smoothly through ChargePoint (not all of the app is smooth, but queuing for a charge is). You click that you need to charge, it lets you know when it is your turn, and you plug into your assigned charger.
There are, of course, issues with people unplugging without leaving the spot or a broken charger not registering as broken until you try to use it, but the queuing mostly works as intended.
except Sams Club, all gas stations have entrances to said lines from both sides, and often enough space to go around the guy camping out inside perusing the Beef Jerky and Soda fountain options. I have seen plenty of people slip in from the other side to then say they were their first when of course they were not.
There’s a simple solution : charging stations valets. You leave your car and they call you when it’s ready. Plus it’s good for employment.
near the pet store where my friend and I were volunteering
I saw you slip this humblebrag in here, David… LOL
My “friend” is the one who regularly volunteers. I just joined her this time. She’s a wonderful woman.
I bet! Good on you two, seriously.
Anyone surprised at a fight over $18 hasn’t seen the jockeying in lines at costco gas stations
All kinds of stuff to digest from this quick article, but my takeaway was David being able to drive away because he’s got a hybrid. Kudos to all the EV early adopters, but I feel more and more that the masses need to be led to hybrids, standard or plug-in, during EV life’s growing pains.
There is still an impressive level of ignorance about the mere existence of PHEV’s in the general populace. Just a few days ago I mentioned to my mom that a PHEV is likely to be my next car “because you aren’t range limited. If you run out of battery, you just run on gas” (that was literally what I said, so there’s no excuse for the next part). Her response was the typical “electric cars will never work here (western PA), it’s too rural…” Nevermind that driving 10-15 miles to another town is considered not insignificant trip, which would be well within the electric range of most PHEVs/
What do you even say to that? I blame the manufacturers (for not pushing them harder), the government (for almost exclusively emphasising EV’s), and the media (both sides the left pushes full EV adoption while the right is anti anything not ICE).
I recently had to explain to my Dad, who is not ignorant about cars, what the difference between a hybrid and a PHEV was. That’s a huge problem.
Especially when you consider PHEVs could functionally replace 90+% of all passenger vehicles sold and effectively electrify in excess of 80% of daily transportation.
I’ve said my problems with the EV focus instead of PHEVs or hybrids, but that’s a whole other discussion…
The sticker, icky tail lights and tinted headlights (I tint my headlights so they work less) tell me all I need to know about this Tesla Bro.
park next to him, unplug the tesla, plug in your truck, charge up, replug the tesla when done and drive home
What a shock, a Tesla owner being a douchebag.
Also, being a prick to someone and then walking away and leaving your car is….not so smart.
“There have been 4,350,040 Tesla models produced in the past five years….”
That sure makes it easy to stereotype the owners, eh?
I mean, we like to stereotype BMW owners, and there are more of those on the road.
It’s not right to stereotype anybody, but with Teslas in particular, they attract different drivers across the board. There’s no such thing as a typical Tesla driver, and it’s not about image, but a lack of viable competition. That part is changing though.
As a famous LA resident once said in 1992 “can we, can we get along?”
30 years later…Apparently not.
31 years later, way too many people don’t know the reference. An imperfect man who struggled with his addictions as many of us do. Many made fun of him for saying that, but it seemed to be from the heart: he hated that so many were being hurt or killed and it didn’t change the wrong done to him. A sad footnote of a troubled time.
I imagine that Tesla owner has been mistreated by full sized pickup truck drivers. Maybe he got coal rolled, maybe he got iced out or perhaps he’s just tired of seeing acres and acres of truckbutt.
So he gets his revenge where he can and in his rage even the innocent are fair game.
This type of issue has been around much longer than Ev’s..
See; Diesel and Gasoline at the same pump when there are 10+ other Gasoline only pumps.
I have had a few diesels and I have one now. Nothing is more annoying than going to fill up and waiting for someone that used the Diesel/Gas pump when there are lots of ONLY Gas pumps open. Its usually followed up by them walking inside to pay, buying snacks and lotto tickets, and using the restroom while you wait.
Inconsideration for others is my biggest pet peeve.
This is a much better analogy than my slow/fast pump one, general public at gas stations are all kinds of inconsiderate, blocking both pumps when only using 1, and as you said leaving the car at the pump and heading inside to grab lunch/watch a movie, whatever.
The diesel/gas thing is more clear cut than this though because gas costs the same at every pump. I can’t blame the Tesla driver for the stupidity of charging costs and not wanting to spend more for the exact same electricity. It sucks, but the city guy correctly notes that it’s the infrastructure’s fault.
Edit: And I’ve been on the diesel side of the situation you describe and it does suck. People are inconsiderate a-holes.
The Tesla owner was a dick but if I was the Lightning owner I would have offered to pay the difference in the charging cost to the Tesla owner.
They’re both driving ~$100k vehicles so it wasn’t about that. It was about being a dickhead.
Edit: I assumed that was a Model S but maybe it was a Model 3. Still, my point stands — it was not about money.
If it wasn’t about money in the first place, the Tesla driver probably would have just parked at the Supercharger in the first place, especially since it’s a much quicker charge. But if they had a $30k Tesla and pulled into a less expensive stall to save $18, then the driver of a potentially $100k pickup truck started harassing them to move to a more expensive parking space without any sort of compensation, is it really on the Tesla driver at that point? Also given that there are so many of each charger at that station, it would likely only be a few minutes before the next CCS charger opener up anyway.
It’s an interesting article showing once again that the government encouraged the selling of EVs before the charging infrastructure was planned and executed. Gosh, look how long it takes cities to add even marginal numbers of new chargers. So users/voters are reduced to the “cage match” situation just to get charged up in a reasonable amount of time. Hybrids fix this problem while the governmental entities get their stuff together on building and equipping charging stations. Maybe one day there will be a “purer” solution one day not involving the burning of fossil fuels but we aren’t there yet. And besides, what is the electric utility burning to produce the electricity for the chargers? It’s not unicorn flatulence.
The U.S.’s relative lack of interest in pushing PHEVs is a huge mistake. For practical and psychological reasons (they represent an excellent gateway to move folks over from skeptics to true believers).
I agree 100% with you assessment. It’s not too late to make the argument though. Inflexible ‘EV only’ governmental mandates can be ratched back with selected legislation where appropriate.
Current tax credits are for both PHEVs and EVs alike. Provided they have at least 7kwh and meet the manufacturing requirements, i.e. made in the US.
I don’t know if the Prius Prime meets the manufacturing criteria but, otherwise, it would qualify for the full $7,500 credit.
I’m surprised REVs (range extended EVs) haven’t been more widespread.
I’m surprised too, it seems to me that ingeenering an electric transmission plus a clean generator is simpler than a mixed-source transmission. But maybe there’s a reason I don’t know… Is there somebody on this blog who would know ? (And explain if so…)
I know it is easy to solely blame the government here but all of the car manufacturers are also complicit in the hoping for a quick transition to full EVs over PHEVS. They aren’t making as many PHEVs because it is easier to develop just an EV. A PHEV is essentially double the development.
Currently, the tax credits favor both PHEVs and EVs. The Prius Prime qualifies for the full $7,500, pending both the batteries and car are assembled in the US. Toyota has identified this and made a very smart bet because you are right, this is the type of drive system that Americans can believe in at this moment. Drivers could get used to a car that will save them money every day but also will allow them to make long trips without worry.
Manufacturers are licking their lips at cars that will be simpler to manufacture, harder to repair when they break, and are run on proprietary software that they can lock 3rd parties out of using. They all look at Tesla and wish they could sell directly to consumers and require every single repair to run through them or one of their directly certified technicians. Not to mention that investors have a huge boner for EVs because of Tesla’s stock price.
Tesla, despite all of their shortcomings, is the only company invested in a charging network because they have a lot to gain by becoming the charging standard for the rest of the industry. It seems to be working out for them in that regard.
The inflation reduction act requires a 97% uptime level for any charger that gets a subsidy. In the past, it was private businesses. Tesla built up at an appropriate level and the competition did a poor job.
The source of electricity has nothing to do with charging infrastucture or who gets to go first.
I’m not sure this is newsworthy compared to gas cars blocking charging stations, intentionally or not. No laws broken, sounds like the Tesla even got there first. Maybe if the F150 wasn’t so inefficient the 50Kwh charger would’ve sufficed. That’s like a dude pulling up to a slow gas pump with his 50 gallon truck and wanting to swap with a guy in a Prius in the next stall over cause he’s using the fast pump, maybe add in that the Prius could also use fast pumps a couple stalls over but they only have premium gas which is 20 cents more a gallon, so Prius guy is like nah, I’m good.
Nobody said a law was broken. In fact, David even said “It was a pretty poor display of EV charging etiquette.”
Coming up with a random strawman about what’s worse is missing the point entirely.
my ineloquence in saying basically another day at a filling station, gas or ev, common courtesy just isn’t as common anymore. JDesigner had a much better analogy above, with diesel/gas pumps.
It’s very relevant when it’s not considered newsworthy when somebody in a Ford pickup parks at a Tesla Supercharger because it seems like a convenient parking space, but it is considered newsworthy when a Tesla owner, who has both the need and the right to use a charger, keeps a Ford from charging. If this had been a Honda and Toyota dispute, it wouldn’t have made the news. When it’s “Tesla driver does something bad,” even when all he did was pull into an empty charging spot to charge, it’s anti-Tesla bias. The only other interpretation when it’s newsworthy only when it’s a Tesla and negative, but not newsworthy otherwise, is that it’s there to get web traffic.
We see a lot of Tesla driver selfishness here too (DK), I think it’s rather universal unfortunately 🙁
The worst in the US are the EVs that have free charging that came with their vehicle: Lots of ID4s, for instance. They just park and charge until they’re 100% full because it’s free, blocking the chargers for a super long time. It’s a meme at this point.
DK? Donkey Kong?
I’ve come to the following conclusion:
Find a way to make it mutually beneficial. $.27/kwh @ 55kwh (~20%>80% charge) is ~$15-$20. Thats not a small amount of $. No need for heated name-calling.
Offer the Tesla guy $15-$20 cash to switch, and everyone wins. Both charge immediately and its the Tesla pays the same. I could see the Tesla guy being cheesed that normies can now charge at Tesla stations, so why cant he charge at a CCS. As a great thinker once said, “You’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole” – JL
Both people were wrong here, they lost their cool and weren’t trying to problem solve effectively. As I tell my kids, dont focus on the problem but the solution.
100%, this is what i would try
Assholes are gonna asshole no matter what car or truck they drive.
Some cars really draw them in though.. I mean how many assholes drive a Honda Fit? My neighbor drives one, and his worst quality is that he mows his lawn too often. Wranglers and Teslas on the other hand..
Disclaimer, I own both Wrangler and Tesla, so obviously present company excluded.
Are we forgetting that the F-150 cost way more than the Tesla likely? I’m seeing comments act as if the Tesla guy had the money and should’ve backed off…That F-150 was probably 20-40k more expensive, lol…
That’s a Lightning Pro. It probably cost less than that Model 3 Performance. Possibly $20k less depending on what price he got and when the guy bought the Model 3 Performance.
Depends. Some pros are still listed for wayyyyy over msrp.
Sure, but the vast majority of Pros so far were orders rather than dealer stock, and many were still the original orders at ~$40k.
Every future charging area should be equipped with a “Cage Fight” area for situations like this. Between the Tesla driver vs. the Ford Lightning pilot? – my money is on the trucker. Indeed, the cage floor could be wired to add extra regen to the whole complex meanwhile providing endless entertainment and avarice to all.
As long as the cage has a few attention getting volts running through it to keep things interesting.
The only ass here is the guy who wrote the article.
Found the Tesla driver!
lolol
Elon isn’t going to be your friend. He doesn’t even know you exist.
You went to the trouble of creating an account to post this?
this is a bad look for you
The only ass here is the guy who wrote the comment I’m responding to.