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The Brand New Grande Panda Is Proof Fiat Hasn’t Lost Its Small Car Mojo

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Way back in 2023, I turned fifty and the (soon to be departed) Mondial turned forty, so in celebration I drove across it Europe to see the Italian Grand Prix and to take it back to where it was born, Maranello. My base upon arrival in the Old Country was a lovely family-owned hotel near Lake Como, where I had the best spaghetti bolognese of my life. Away from the picturesque edges of the lake this area is quite rural and hilly with a lot of local businesses centered around burying various plants in the dirt and then yanking them out again several sunny months later.

During the three days I spent in the area, I counted seventeen Fiat Pandas out earning a living. Seventeen. And not the in-between second and third generation cars everyone forgets about. I’m talking about the original Fiat Panda that arrived in 1980. Over the remainder of the week, as I descended further into Italy, I had to stop counting. They were all over the place. Have you even been to Italy if you’ve not spotted a Panda haphazardly hammered into a tight parking space on a narrow medieval Italian side street?

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The original Panda was a singular work of genius from Giorgetto Giugiaro. The brief was to design a cheap, classless modern car that both weighed and cost the same as the rear engined 126 it was replacing. What emerged was as pure a piece of industrial design on wheels as has ever been seen. Flat panels maximized the interior volume and made it economical to stamp out by the million. Flat glass all round was meant to achieve the same effect but hilariously Fiat struggled to find a supplier with the required expertise. The seats were modular hammocks that could be reconfigured in a variety of way, one of which was an impromptu double bed. Very Italian. Fortunately the seat covers were also removable, so they could be washed free of sin. Carry over engines from the 126 and 127 meant every mechanic, working in the shade of an olive tree in Italy, could fix a Panda with little more than a vermouth and a hammer.

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Later versions spawned a four-wheel drive version with power-take-off, a van variant, and in 1990 even a battery powered model, the Elettra, with a 60-mile range that was unsurprisingly a failure. Overall Fiat sold about 4.5 million first generation Pandas until production finally ended in 2003, one of the longest ever production runs for a European car. No wonder the bloody things were all over the place. The follow up models were more conventional small five door hatches but not without their charms – as well as continuing with a chunky four wheel drive model, the second generation also gave us a hot skateboard in the 100bhp model which had a body kit, upgraded suspension and brakes, and a ride to put your spine through the top of your skull. There were also collaborations including tie-ups with homeware manufacturer Alessi and motorcycle gear company Dainese. Incredibly the third generation is still on sale in Italy as a basement special called the Pandina. Clearly there is a lot of merit in Giugiaro’s ‘plain steel box on wheels’ idea.

How Do You Improve On Perfection?

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That the 1980 Panda is a stone-cold classic is undisputed but how do you recapture that magic in a brand-new model? The Nuova 500 was deservedly a runaway smash hit, but trying to spin the aesthetic of such an iconic car into a broader range proved tricky as Fiat, and also Mini have discovered. Likewise reverting to a purely functional design like the original wouldn’t work as the market has moved on the last four decades. If you’d have asked me a decade or more ago what features I required in a daily I’d have said room for my 34” inseam legs, a pedal box than can accommodate my size 11 feet, power steering, a decent stereo, electric windows and climate (or at least air conditioning). All I can really add to that today is wireless CarPlay. And if you hadn’t noticed, nowadays this is all pretty much standard stuff even in the basest of basest econoboxes. We’re all soft and coddled now, so a super stripped out car wouldn’t have enough appeal for the mainstream customer. No one wants crank windows apart from cranks. I may or may not have upset Slate design director Tisha Johnson over dinner with my thoughts on that approach to bringing such a car to market.

One of Giugiaro’s innovations in vehicle packaging with the Panda was the use of vertical space – reorienting passengers into a more upright seating position to reduce overall length and liberate internal volume for cargo. This is the defining characteristic that links the brand-new Grande Panda back to the original, and it’s probably the thing that causes lack witted people into commenting the Grande Panda is a big car, or an SUV. It is categorically neither of these things.

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At under 4m (157”) long, 1.7m (69”) wide and 1.5m (61”) high this new Panda (I’m dropping the Grande bit because everyone else does) sits firmly in the Euro Sub-B category, roughly equivalent to the EPA mini-compact class. Dimensionally the Panda is slightly longer than a three door Mini and shorter than the dearly departed Ford Fiesta. Allow me to repeat this for the cheap seats: the new Panda is not a big car.

At the moment, you have two powertrain options with an enthusiast pleasing third soon to be added, which I’ll talk about later because I’m a terrible tease–for now you’re just getting a flash of thigh. Our friends at Stellantis UK offered me a Panda in either pure EV or mild hybrid flavors – I opted for the latter, not out of any anti-EV militancy but because there’s nowhere local I can charge on a timescale that doesn’t involve the date changing. When asked if I had a color preference, of course I said black, but there’s none on the press fleet. With hindsight it probably wouldn’t have photographed as well as the optional metallic Lago Blue (£650 or about $870) I did get, although that did mean my personal style suffered somewhat. Honestly the sacrifices I make for you people.

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Under the Panda’s square hood is the familiar Stellantis 1.2-liter triple with a six-speed dual clutch DCT gearbox and an electric motor, for a combined total of 108bhp and rather pleasingly over 150lbs ft of torque. Which the Panda needs because its curb weight is a pass-me-another-plate-of-carbonara 1347kgs (2970lbs). This powertrain stars in a variety of Peugeots and Citroen tiddlers – in fact the Smart Car Platform the Panda sits on is directly shared with the Vauxhall/Opel Frontera and the Citroen C3 and is related to the underpants of the Jeep Avenger. All this component sharing allows for incredible economies of scale, but you must be careful to make sure platform buddies have distinct identities. And man alive have Fiat ever pulled that off.

Pretend You Are Michele Alboreto

You start the Panda by conducting a prehistoric ritual that involves inserting a length of metal into a slot on the steering column and twisting it, something that will either thrill or utterly perplex the Zoomers. If there’s enough charge in the battery this will have the discordant effect of doing absolutely bugger all. You simply click the center console mounted toggle switch into D and pull away in total silence. The Panda is a mild hybrid with only a vestigial battery – you don’t get far on pure electric power alone. Rather, the electric motor is used for reversing, regen braking, and to help the petrol motor under load.

At first I thought the transition from electric to petrol power was a bit abrupt and the regen was making the brakes feel grabby. The steering and pedal weights felt overly light as well. After my first day snatching and pogoing around Coventry, I realized the mistake was mine: I had forgotten the First Rule of Italian Driving – namely drive it like you are late for morning mass. This version of the Stellantis powertrain doesn’t have the ‘keep the grey bureaucrats in Brussels happy’ calibration found in its platform mates. Instead, Fiat have appropriately given the Panda the ‘Saturday afternoon qualifying’ powertrain calibration. Stomp the gas and brakes with a heavy foot, twirl the wheel like you’re Michele Alboreto whipping through the Variante Ascari and suddenly it all comes together. That switch between power units smooths right out, the eager three cylinder buzzes away in the best small Fiat tradition and the light steering means you can wind the lock on and off quickly with just one hand, leaving the one other free for making appropriate Italian hand gestures at other drivers. With its wheel at each corner stance and front corners visible through the windshield, the Panda is perfectly tuned for urban combat.

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It’s surprisingly nippy, too. Although on paper the figures are not especially skirt raising, around town and on the open road the Panda gets going smartly. Thanks to the electric motor there’s plenty of step-off performance for the stop light Grand Prix and it’s not lacking on fast roads either. 0-60 is quoted as 10 seconds with a top speed of 99 mph, both of which feel extremely conservative. On one occasion when I was – ahem – running a little late, I had no problem romping past dawdlers on the A46 dual carriageway, and the ultra-dicey Coventry ring road with its stupid 100 yard distance between on and off ramps proved no problem. Spot a gap, aim, squirt and go. Driving in this Italian manner will still see you getting an easy 55 imperial mpg combined (46 mpg US).

We Heard You Like Pandas So We Put A Panda In Your Panda

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This fun attitude continues the inside as well, which is full of what us designer wankers call ‘surprise and delight.’ Your highlight color is neon yellow which contrasts well against abundant blue found on the seats and door cards, all made from recycled materials. A neon yellow clear panel wraps around the instrument displays and contains a tiny model of the original Panda. The rounded rectangle shape represents the test track on the famous Lingotto factory roof, and a similarly shaped neon yellow ring surrounds the center console and wireless charging mat. On the seat backs the words ‘Panda Made With Love In Fiat’ are written in same color, but the awkward syntax makes me think the interior design team woke up an actual Panda and let it loose on the keyboard. Even Italian models have the exact same text written in English; I didn’t expect Fiat to localize this little detail for every market but writing it in Italian would have been a bit more authentic. Running across the width of the dash there’s a sort of cylindrical bar, covered in recycled bamboo that contains an additional lidded storage compartment on the passenger side. With a storage shelf underneath, a conventional glovebox, capacious door bins, seat back pockets and center console storage there’s plenty of space to lose your rosary beads.

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Remember my comments about needed enough space for my supermodel legs? Initially I struggled with the seat adjustment. Despite being tall I like to sit high in a car – something about subconsciously always enjoying towering over other people, I guess. Having the seat cranked up moved it too close to the steering wheel and left me with little to no under thigh support. Lowering the seat moved it back improving leg room and put the base cushion under my thighs better but left me lower than I ideally like. After a day or two it stopped bothering me–I was having too much fun to care.

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Everything about the driving experience is just refreshingly straightforward–the controls on the chunky steering wheel are all haptic, as are the toggles below the center screen for climate, the heated seats and heated steering wheel. There are no confusing drive modes, no adjustable regen or daft added complication. The twin displays are crisper than a cold martini and cleaner than the thoughts of a nun. Being a brand-new car, the Panda has the usual EU mandated safety systems, but the Fiat is the first car I’ve driven where I didn’t need to turn them off – even the speed limit warning is completely unobtrusive. The only time they were slightly bothersome was waiting to back out of a parking space at the supermarket with a car right behind me. That was one layer of bleeping to which a second layer of blooping was added as punters walked behind the car, setting off the rear blind spot monitoring. Maybe the Panda was sick of my goth music and thought I should try some Italian disco.

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Understanding The Design

The first time I clapped eyes on the Panda in the metal was at a Scramble at Bicester Heritage during the summer of last year. That car was a LHD base EV Pop trim with bright red bodywork and white steel wheels. It immediately struck me as just being a really funky, modern design – so much so that I went back later and took more pictures of it.

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The main reason I think it all works so well is that it captures something of the original Panda’s virtues – its rugged simplicity, highish ride height and use of vertical space – without leaning into performative nostalgia. The cladding around the wheel arches and along the rockers helps hide some of the height and provides protection from bumps and scuffs. The sculpting of the bodyside allows the fenders to flare giving the car that wicked four-square stance – and what pain the designers went through to get PANDA stamped into the door panels I can well imagine. It’s a genuinely impressive bit of surfacing for something that’s going to be punched out by the hundred thousand.

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It would have been easy for Fiat Centro Stile to knock out a crowd-pleasing facsimile of the original with unpainted bumpers, naked steel wheels and ribbed bodysides but Fiat have already got the heritage angle covered with the 500. The 1980 Panda was modern Italian industrial design at its finest – and it’s the same thing with the new one. Someone online described it to me as ‘tiny Brutalism’ and I think that’s perfect. It’s a sharp rolling sculpture elevated by bold colors (Fiat has a ‘No Gray’ policy) and playful detailing – witness the lenticular badge on the C pillar that when viewed from one angle shows the classic Fiat four bar logo and from the another the FIAT wordmark. If I had one small criticism of the exterior it’s that it might be a little over-branded. The four bar Fiat logo appears 8 times, the Fiat wordmark 8 times and the word Panda 5 times.

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I’ve managed to get this far into the review without mentioning the large French cockerel in the room so let’s get it over and done with, because the connection between the two cars runs a bit deeper than them being within farting distance of each other dimensionally and being modern interpretations of well-loved models from the past. They are both the work of one man –François Leboine. Another graduate of guess where – the Royal College of Art, he spent twenty years at Renault, seeing the 5 through to design approval before crossing the alps to Italy. Far from being a one trick pony, having reviewed both cars there is a clear difference in their identities. Despite being a fantastic design and a wonderful modern EV hatch, the 5 leans much harder on retro appeal than the Fiat does. Apart from that little 1980 Panda in the instrument panel, there’s nothing retro about the new Panda at all. Non-Fiat weenies are not going to get the Lingotto reference until the salesperson points it out to them. The 5 has a slightly more louche feel to it, both in seating position and general vibe. The Panda needed to be, by Fiat’s own admission, a pragmatic new hero car. It’s slightly roomier and has more trunk space than the 5 at 412 liters (14.5 cu ft.) although the EV model knocks that down to 360 liters (12.7 cu ft.). And of course the 5 is slightly more expensive and EV only.

What It Costs

The Panda I borrowed was, as the way press fleets always are, the top spec La Prima model. Putting this wheeled slice of Italian Modernism on your drive will require smashing the piggy bank open for a paltry £21,995 ($29,582 as of Thursday afternoon) including all taxes and delivery to the dealer. The free standard color is Limone Yellow – all the other hues are £650 ($874). Drop down to basic Pop spec and you lose the alloy wheels, roof bars, center console, heated seats and steering wheel, and the recycled bamboo trim on the IP is swapped for darker stripy fabric and the seats have a black material – both of which I prefer. You also have to suffer without front parking sensors, rear blind spot monitoring, a rear parking camera and the automatic climate control is ditched for old fashioned cooker knobs (although you still get air conditioning). That version costs £18,995 ($25,547) and my suspicion is at that price, this basic model is the pick of the range. Additionally, there’s a mid-range Icon trim slotting in-between top and bottom at £19,995 ($26,892). There are no option boxes to tick other than color.

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I’ve said it before, but the Fiat back catalog is bursting with bona-fide small car classics. They’ve revolutionized the prosaic Euro small car many, many times over. The passenger car is a much more mature product now, so such packaging and mechanical revolutions are not really possible, but what Fiat have done is taken all that knowledge and flair and given us a brilliant new small hatch perfectly attuned to the needs of the 21st century European family car buyer. It’s superbly easy to use, unburdened with superfluous features, fun to operate, splendid to look at and crucially cheap to buy and run. More than that it adheres to the classlessness of the original car, cutting straight across socio-economic boundaries. My car designer mates all loved it, and I could have sold the Panda probably four or five times on the spot to members of the enquiring public. But none of this is the best bit.

Remember I teased you earlier on in the review? On the continent there’s an even cheaper version available. It comes with a pure petrol powerplant and a six-speed manual gearbox. And it’s coming to the UK.

That I cannot wait to try.

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Authors note: It will not have escaped your attention that my output on these hallowed pages has not been as prolific in recent months. This is by design. Don’t worry. It isn’t, as it has been in the past, for medical reasons – thanks to the miracle of modern pharmaceuticals I’m currently feeling better than ever.

Over the last four years or so I have very much enjoyed writing long-form articles for you. The problem is those pieces take a lot of time, effort, research, networking and planning to put together, and over the last six months or so all that has become, for various reasons, much harder to do. I also realized quite some time ago that my glittering media career was not going to take off in the way I hoped it would when I started in this torrid business, and that my life needed more stability in every sense of the word. To that end I took a permanent job teaching automotive and transport design at Coventry University (it had previously been an ad hoc arrangement), which I started back in February – and it’s something I enjoy very much.

In future you won’t be seeing as much of my writing here as you have done in the past, but I will still be popping up from time to time; to quote the immortal Hugo Drax “with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season”.

Thank you for all for reading, your kind words and support over the last four years. 

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CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago

$26-30k for a Panda is an insult to the OG, no matter how cool it is. The OG Panda was an everyperson econobox and would have to be priced just under $20k to truly represent the spirit of the Panda.

Welcome back, Prof. Clarke!

Space
Space
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Maybe the ICE version on mainland Europe is cheaper? If the base model hybrid is 25k$

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Space

It starts at €17,000 for a base non-hybrid in Spain. Which isn’t bad for a car, but a bit too much for a cut down, decontented runabout.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

That’s more the kind of pricing I would expect for a Panda 2.0.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

That’s including VAT which I’m pretty sure is 20%. Take off 20% and you just don’t find cars any cheaper in the US anymore, especially not a hybrid . . . well, if they sold it here.

Last edited 1 month ago by Cerberus
Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago

Stellantis should relabel these as Chryslers, fill the showrooms, then relabel them as their other American brands and sell them at their other dealerships.
Then do the same with other new models as they come out. Chrysler will be saved, and the vehicles will have the advantage of the halo of the prestige marque about them.
This looks like a very good car. It should sell nicely in the US as well as in Europe.

Ecsta C3PO
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Ecsta C3PO
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris D

Introducing, the
Dodge Neon,
Jeep Hiker,
Chrysler Nimbus

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris D

Aren’t they pretty much all combined Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram anyway?

Cloud Shouter
Cloud Shouter
1 month ago

A single guy pulling up in a Panda is going to get all the girls. It’s that cute.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Maybe it wasn’t the car.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

“When asked if I had a color preference, of course I said black, but there’s none on the press fleet. With hindsight it probably wouldn’t have photographed as well as the optional metallic Lago Blue (£650 or about $870) I did get, although that did mean my personal style suffered somewhat. Honestly the sacrifices I make for you people.”

It was definitly the car.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Much like a Girl Scout thin mint cookie their is no settling for my fair share. Same with Pringles I want them all.

Scott
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Scott
1 month ago

Thank you muchly Adrian. 🙂

I had no idea vermouth was ever consumed by itself, nor did I previously know the word ‘louche’ and I’m grateful to have my considerable ignorance diminished, even if by just a tad. There are also a lot of facts about Pandas of I was hitherto unaware. And of course, I appreciate your wit, which is delightfully evident here. 🙂

I like the Panda (and the Grande Panda) even though I’ve never sat in, let alone driven a single one. I have seen some nice mostly stock and a few modded older Pandas at car shows here in LA over the years. 

I’ve been a small car guy all my life: I just like ’em and like the way they drive. I still have my NA Miata, though truth be told I don’t drive it as much as I used to, preferring instead to use my Tank Girl-approved first-gen Volvo XC90 instead. I attribute this to my own growing sense of mortality (I’m several years older than you) and to having watched way too many crash videos on Youtube.

Personally, I’ve never owned a three cylinder car or one with a DCT gearbox, and being American, both ideas make me a little nervous. Despite this, were it available here, I’d love to try and perhaps buy a Panda. The base ICE 6-speed one sounds just my speed. In yellow please. 🙂

Thanks for all of your writing here Adrian, and I wish you success in all of your future endeavors. If and when you’ve got time to share more, you know we’ll be delighted and receptive. 

Last edited 1 month ago by Scott
Erik
Erik
1 month ago

So that’s where you goths hang out on Saturday afternoon, IKEA?

On a serious note, the students of Coventry are lucky to have you as a teacher. Wouldn’t mind sitting in a class someday. Even though I’d be slightly older than the other students. (According to my calculations you’re from 73, just like me)

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Don’t we all?

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago

“could fix a Panda with little more than a vermouth and a hammer” <— this is some mighty wordsmithing, you’re sure about teaching automotive design? I mean maybe, if it’s even half as good as your writing. But that side, selfishly, we don’t get to see or enjoy via our subscription.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

Vermouth and a hammer? Thank God you are teaching design and not auto body repair

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

Don’t worry. It isn’t, as it has been in the past, for medical reasons – thanks to the miracle of modern pharmaceuticals I’m currently feeling better than ever.”

I’m really glad to hear that. I was just thinking the other day that I haven’t seen or heard anything from Uncle Adrian in a while.

” twitter: @adrianfclarke. Instagram: adrianfclarke”

Get off of Twitter/X and get onto Bluesky!

“dual clutch DCT gearbox”

This is reason enough for me to want to opt for the full BEV version. I’m sure it’s a great gearbox… when new. But I am concerned about how well it would age and how much it would cost if/when it needs to be repaired compared to the simple single-speed gearbox the BEV would have.

And I hope some variant of the Panda makes it to North American. Either as the actual Fiat Panda or in the form of Dodge/Chrysler products.

Last edited 1 month ago by Manwich Sandwich
Innocent Bystander
Innocent Bystander
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Nope.

Tim Cougar
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Tim Cougar
1 month ago

Could we be so lucky that this will become the “Dodge GLH” that Stellantis mentioned last week?

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
1 month ago
Reply to  Tim Cougar

“0-60 is quoted as 10 seconds with a top speed of 99 mph, both of which feel extremely conservative. ”

Its going to need a bit more than that for the GLH.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

“A bit” 😀

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
1 month ago
Reply to  Tim Cougar

Maybe it’ll be the Chrysler Arrow?

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago

Remember my comments about needed enough space for my supermodel legs?

A perennial issue for my wife, who eclipses your stubby legs with her 37″ inseam.

An excellent review, and it’s always nice to see you ’round these parts. Even if it’s just popping by on holiday from the hallowed halls of higher education.

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

As tempting as that sounds, I believe I’ll stick to the legs that I’m used to

HowDoYouCrash
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HowDoYouCrash
1 month ago

Listen up Fiat, your cowards!

Bring this to the US. Build it in Mexico (to minimize tariff pain). Sell it as low as you can. None of this luxury 500 nonsense. Don’t bother with the EV version just give us one powertrain and minimize the options as much as possible for cost reasons.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  HowDoYouCrash

If it doesn’t fit a Hemi, does Stellantis even want to consider it?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

We had a Bolt (*it’s Uber but slightly better) tote around the family in the prior Fiat Panda. Poor Panda didn’t like the cobblestones with five people in it.

Despite it’s suspension complaints: t was far far roomier and cheerier than expected – even for those in the back seats. And still maintained a sense of pep in-town.

i Pete in the woods
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i Pete in the woods
1 month ago

I’d swap Carplay for a PTO!

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 month ago

I sincerely hope that the recycled bamboo was not recycled by actual pandas.

A pleasure -as always – to see your byline, Adrian, and while I lament that future submissions will be less frequent than in past seasons, no doubt their value will increase for readers. Thanks for everything and all the best to you moving forward.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Enjoying the chuckle but I am sure using Pandas would be reconstituting not recycling

Antti Kautonen
Antti Kautonen
1 month ago

I guess the fabric says “Panda Made With Love In Fiat” because it would have looked weird if it said “Panda Made With Love In Serbia”, because that’s where it’s made.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Yugo manufacturing may be an improvement over Fiat.

J Hyman
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J Hyman
1 month ago
Reply to  Antti Kautonen

If they were going to bugger the translation anyway, it’s a shame they kept the word ‘with’.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Antti Kautonen

Still better than Made Love to a Panda in a Fiat

Ford_Timelord
Ford_Timelord
1 month ago

Congratulations on your tenured role! I’ve really enjoyed your writing and though I turned to Architecture rather than car design (my high school was pretty well a trade school for the local Mitsubishi nee. Chrysler factory here in Australia) I’ve always followed all things automotive.
I really enjoyed this article. Took me back 12 years when I was studying in Turin at one stage there were 7 Pandas in a row street parked infront of my apartment (2nd and third gen).
Got to say I don’t think I could have a new car without adaptive cruise control.

Last edited 1 month ago by Ford_Timelord
RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
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RustyJunkyardClassicFanatic
1 month ago
Reply to  Ford_Timelord

“You KNOW I always wanted to pretend to be an architect!”
-George Costanza

Gene
Gene
1 month ago

I love that this is out there! I hope Fiat brings it over to the States. It would be a much better fit than the 500.

With the Jeep variant coming out, the Panda would be a great compliment. Same vehicle but to two completely different markets. And it’s way better than the Tonale/Hornet fiasco.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

It deserved the brutality.

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago

I’m surprised Torch isn’t already plotting to get one here somehow, just so he can wax poetic about those taillights.

Glad to read you again, Uncle Adrian! It’s good to read about something you enjoy, in addition to your takedowns. Love your style!

StillNotATony
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StillNotATony
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I will say they should have called it the Granda Panda and I will die on this hill.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  StillNotATony

What is it a car or a Starbucks drink or maybe a Taco Loco Burrito?

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

I love it! And the base with the tiny exceptions of the seat color (but the rest still has color) and alloys (easily remedied and the steels get winter tires) does sound like the pick. This is that Italian small car design I always regretted we never get in the States. It’s not trying too hard to pull nostalgia or appear angry, has some fun detailing, and has an appropriate driving attitude. The dash has one of the best display integrations of any car at any price and the whole of it looks airy and visually interesting. Fun! How about that in 2026? Not for the USA, of course (though I get it as the market here for small cars—even good ones—sucks).

And glad to hear you’re doing better, Adrian, in health and profession!

Last edited 1 month ago by Cerberus
1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

If they switched the name small Italian car to Jeep city car, shitty car for south park fans, it would solve the problem.

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
1 month ago

I loved it when it debuted. I was downright gleeful sitting in that one at the NEC Classic Motor Show. I will scream till I have scrumpt my last scream that we need these in the US. Fiat will never bring them to us.

Also, is a “non-Fiat weenie” a person who is a weenie because they’re not into Fiats or a person who is not a massive Fiat nerd? Because I am potentially a Fiat weenie here and need clarification…

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Then I am proud to be a weenie! Sadly, the Oscar Meyer theme song does not fit with this

Chris D
Chris D
1 month ago

Oh I’d love to drive a little Fiat Panda
That’s what I’d like to take out for a spin
Cause if I could drive a little Fiat Panda
Everyone would be in love with it!

Now I’m sad we can’t get a Fiat Panda
That is what we really want to drive
Cause if we could get the newest Fiat Panda
There would soon be nothing else we’d want to buy.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago

That is for Bologna so the theme song would only work if made in a different region in Italy.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

In Britain it’s a Fiat beenie weenie.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago

I haven’t had the time to read the article in full, will do it later, but just stopping by to say I hate this car (and all the Citroen / Opel badge engineered versions) with a passion.

If Stellantis thinks they can get away with selling mildly uprated versions of developing markets cars in Europe I hope they fail.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

> cheap

> $27-30k

Not quite.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

European (and UK) prices incl VAT. ~$22k sans tax assuming 20% UK VAT used.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

You check what the average car price is? $45,000, so at most 60% of average new car prices. So not cheap enough for me to afford but I bet the original Panda wasn’t any cheaper than 60%

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Well is it is based on the emerging markets C3. Which I am sure will be somehow related to the 208 / Corsa, but still on the cheap side.

It’s like when Citroën said they had engineered the C4 Cactus for speeds below 190km/h. I am sure all OEMs do it, but saying it reeks of “here is our cheap shit car, have some”.

Just no.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

No idea to be honest. I am very much not in the business of making cars. When I arrived at the end of your article I read an interesting bit though:

“ The passenger car is a much more mature product now, so such packaging and mechanical revolutions are not really possible”

I guess that is what makes me sad about it. I might just be a romantic and this car is just perfectly fine.

I still prefer the 5 or the even the new Twingo though.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

I read your review of the A290 and it was… fine? I mean I think the criticisms were fair.

The range is definitely a problem. If the real world range would have been closer to 200 miles I would now be driving a 5 instead of a Clio.

Twingo looks utterly superb but the range is going to be even lower… 🙁

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Does it do so at 75-80mph constant cruise in comfort mode with air con on?

(The 5 I meant)

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Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

Shit. Should’ve bought a 5.

1978fiatspyderfan
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1978fiatspyderfan
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

This excellent article does go into the economic reasons why cars can’t be made cheaper. It’s because the buyer is not willing to go without some features that old cheap cars did not have. A cheap car is not worth it if no one buys it. Or at least not enough people who would buy it.

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

What gave you the idea the C3 was developed for emerging markets? I agree the interior looks slightly more frugal than its Fiat/Opel cousins, but that was basically the idea behind the original Panda, too.

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Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago
Reply to  Ex-Exeo

Quoting:

“The European market fourth-generation C3 was introduced on 17 October 2023 and started production in 2024, it is a heavily reskinned version of the Indian third-generation C3.”

Andrea Petersen
Andrea Petersen
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

As the owner of a 26 year old UK market Fiat Marea that was primarily popular in Brazil and Turkey, trust me when I say they’ve been doing it for longer than Stellantis has existed. Also, what’s wrong with selling a simple, honest, car in Europe? If large swaths of humanity are happy with it outside of a certain continent that has historically perceived itself as better than the rest, (and committed atrocious crimes because of their perception) then yes, it will be perfectly fine for that continent as well.

Albert Ferrer
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Albert Ferrer
1 month ago

The Marea was a (then-current) Bravo with a boot. But I guess it is payback for sending them old and discarded European-market cars years ago. Which would be fair enough.

Also it is not that cheap. I am sure you can get a deal on a base Corsa or 208 that puts it within reach of the Panda.

Also, if you want basic, Sandero undercuts it by €3,500. Or if you want a turbo by €1,500.

Horizontally Opposed
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Horizontally Opposed
1 month ago
Reply to  Albert Ferrer

But why do you hate it? Did you drive it or worse, did it murder your cat? If neither, at least read the man’s piece first?

Space
Space
1 month ago

“A Panda killed my cat” well that would be an unexpected conversation peice.

Chris Stevenson
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Chris Stevenson
1 month ago

Glad to hear you’re well, Adrian!

There’s an urge to say “bring it to the US!”, but I don’t think it would work in it’s current form. Tons of references to cars that never came to the US, plus more radical designs have a tougher time in the US (see the Nissan Juke–US got the first gen but not the later ones). I think this is big enough for the US market, but it would need to be watered down and rebranded (Dodge Omni? Chrysler Horizon?).

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

My hope is that Canada will finally start accepting Euro standards so we can get some of these delightful little units on this side of the Atlantic.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago

Psst! Jeep Renegade.

Chris Stevenson
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Chris Stevenson
1 month ago
Reply to  Gene

Keep the Renegade around, this can be for the people who don’t want a (pretend) off-roader.

Gene
Gene
1 month ago

Exactly!

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
1 month ago

Or maybe even use a name from the successor to the original Omni/Horizon… the Dodge Shadow/Plymouth-Chrysler Sundance

Frank C.
Frank C.
1 month ago

Very cool. Of course the American market only wants huge gas guzzlers…maybe this oil war thing with exploding gas prices will create another 1974 situation? On another note, I think I’m confusing the Panda with the 600. The 600 EV has a very well thought up deployable power cord that comes out of the front grill. It plugs into the sockets popping up all over Europe in street lampposts and other public infrastructure.

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Greg
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Greg
1 month ago

I was going to lament the shifter in the auto, I really enjoy having something I can rest my hand on while I drive, wether its a stalk or more modern shifter in the middle. Then boom, manual in my face. For some reason, the blue looks significantly better than the red version to me, not sure why, but I really like how the blue looks. Maybe the red one was the previous model?

Anyways, bring it over here to the US as well, and sell it alongside the Slate. A car like this, should theoretically sell well if kept at the same prices. Sophisticated folks can drive these, and the cranks can drive the slate.

Space
Space
1 month ago
Reply to  Greg

If Stellantis thought they would make money on it you would think They would bring it to the US.

The again Stellantis has made bad decisions before from some guy that was not pictured.

JCat
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JCat
1 month ago

For how played out the LED front panel feels, the interior looks almost playful whilst being modern. Considering the Grandest Panda/Grizzly will be the new Stellantis crossovers, I hope some of that makes it across the pond.

Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

There seems to be an overall Italian cleanness to the design that’s more dare I say harmonized that Hyundai’s riot of style.

Congrats on your new job, time to dust off the tweeds for good, right? But I do hope it will still allow time for when Jason and David ask you to to do an on the road driving review of the current Ford Capri.

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Jack Trade
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Jack Trade
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

As much as education is among the most noble of professions, I hope you’ll still carve out the time to come back here and review the new version for us when Ford finally jettisons this one for being, in Farley’s own words, a boring car and replaces it with something befitting the nameplate.

Cheers Adrian!

Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago

Online ‘editor-for-free’ here…

You might want to check your math in the metric-to-Imperial calculations.

At under 4m (157”) long, 1.7m (69”) wide and 1.5m (21”) high

I’m pretty sure it would be somewhat difficult to fit 4 people into a car that was only 21″ tall.

Also, great write-up. Good to have you back, even if your capacity will be limited.

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Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
1 month ago
Reply to  Adrian Clarke

No problem. Please don’t take it personally. I just notice things sometimes. 🙂

Before I retired, most of my jobs had some degree of ‘quality-control’ to them, and way back in college, I was that guy at the student union who people would bring their assignments to for proofreading before they turned in their typed or handwritten work. (this was before there was Internet and word processors were only for the rich kids)

Of course, I once had a supervisor’s supervisor eventually have me terminated from my job because he didn’t like that I sent him an e-mail suggesting a few minor grammatical and spelling corrections before he made his written department policy available company-wide, so there’s always the risk that someone will take my observations personally.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

It’s extremely difficult to proofread one’s work. The brain knows what it intended and tends to to see that over what is actually there as well as its natural tendency to fix mistakes as it sees them, a feature commonly intentionally used in art. Adrian’s a designer—you don’t get through design school if you’ve got thin skin without becoming a supervillain . . .

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago

This is how you smash rockets into planets by accident.

If only everything was metric.

Space
Space
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

Metric system is flawed and must be torn down and rebuilt, Celsius is a rotten festering wound and must be removed. Kelvin is the true standard for temperature.

Twobox Designgineer
Twobox Designgineer
1 month ago
Reply to  Space

torn down and rebuilt

Really? What’s your choice here, start with Planck constant = 1 and work up from there?

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  Space

This comment is an example of why it should all be metric, and perhaps some general education mixed in. Your wish is already true.

The SI unit of temperature is Kelvin.

Celsius is solely a zero-offset for everyday practical purposes that uses Kelvin scaling. It’s not the official SI unit of temperature.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago

> it would be somewhat difficult to fit 4 people into a car that was only 21″ tall.

VW Beetle: hold my pretzel

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 month ago
Reply to  CR-V Oswald

Fourteen clowns and a monkey emerge.

CR-V Oswald
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CR-V Oswald
1 month ago
Reply to  Spikedlemon

What happened to the other 18 clowns

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