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The Cabover Econoline Pickup Was One Of The Better Designs From Ford To Fail Miserably

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From inventing the pony car with the introduction of the Mustang, to launching the American aero revolution with the Taurus, and making the bold move of shelving every car that wasn’t a Mustang (a “real Mustang,” that is) in favor of an all-crossovers lineup, it must be said that Ford has a pretty good history of reading where the car market is going. Even their most lambasted products like the Pinto, Mustang II and Granada were all smash sales hits.

That’s not to say their crystal ball was perfect. In the early sixties, Ford saw a compact pickup truck as The Next Big Thing; even more so than the equivalent van version. The fact that they were wrong doesn’t make the first-generation Econoline pickup any less revolutionary or cool, and certainly worth a revisit.

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The Big Three might have spent the fifties making products that were bigger, faster, and flashier, but they could no longer ignore the rise of compact, utilitarian cars making inroads from overseas. Actually, it wasn’t just cars: while the Volkswagen Beetle was finding favor with people wanting a second car or something economical, small businesses were also seeing the benefits of little trucks like VW’s Type II Transporter, aka the VW bus.

Vwtruck
source: Volkswagen

For 1961, General Motors launched van and pickup-truck versions of their new rear-engined Corvair compact. With an air-cooled flat six in back, it matched the basic layout of the Volkswagen. There was the “Greenbrier” window van …

Corvair Greenbriar 4 3
source: General Motors

… and a cargo van, as well as a pickup truck version available with a “rampside” door that flipped down on the side and let you simply roll your lawn mowers or what have you on or off of the Corvair pickup’s low load floor.

Corvair Van 4 3
source: General Motors

It was rather brilliant, but there was a problem; as with the VW, the engine’s placement required a large raised “box” at the back of the cargo area.

1963 Chevrolet Corvair 1963 Chevrolet Corvair Deluxe Rampside Pickup (1)

If you wanted a long, deep, and flat bed like a regular pickup truck, you couldn’t have it. Chevy provided the ability to install a deck to level off the surface, but the “bed” area was now highly elevated and not as deep as a “normal” truck.

1963 Chevrolet Corvair 1963 Chevrolet Corvair Deluxe Rampside Pickup
source: MotoExotica

I Bet It Didn’t Need Heated Seats

Like the Corvair vans, the ’61 Econoline was available in the same three flavors as the Corvair: cargo van, passenger van and pickup truck.

All Econolines 4 3
source: Ford

From the outside, Ford’s same-year entry into this anti-VW category looked very similar to the Corvair, but the Blue Oval took a different layout approach. Ford placed their existing inline six-cylinder motors right up front in a box between the driver and passenger seats, setting it slightly behind the front axle line, making it, in effect, a mid-engine vehicle. The radiator for the water-cooled mill sat in front of the motor in this box, fed air from below.

Econoline Cutaway 4 3
source: Ford

This placement certainly exposed passengers to more heat and noise than the rear-engine Corvair models. As CarLife magazine reported: “We didn’t like having the engine alongside us, for, despite a fiberglass hood that somewhat reduced heat and noise, we got a piston-in-the-ribs feeling.”

Econoline Engine 3 4 2

I believe it – the engine is absolutely right there:

Econoline Engine 2 4 3

Still, if you (or the employees that you bought the Econoline van for) could tolerate this, here was a huge benefit: the rear load floor was flat from behind the seats all the way to the bumper. Better yet, it was level with that bumper and required minimal lift height. You can see the engine “doghouse” below in the exploded view and how there’s basically nothing to the rear of it.

Econoline Cutaway 2 4 3
source: Ford

A little Jason-style trivia: see those grilles next to the famous, very “human-looking” Econoline “eyes”?

Econoline Eye 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

Those grilles were intakes for the HVAC system, namely the optional heater on the passenger’s side:

Econoline Heater 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

Or, on the driver’s side, you opened a little door on the back of that black box ahead of the pedals, and cool air would just blast in from the grille next to the driver’s side headlamp. You could certainly use that ventilation, as air conditioning was not initially offered.

Econoline Vent 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

The cargo van had no windows in back, while the so-called “Station Van” was a minivan about a quarter century too early to resonate with buyers.

Econoline People Van 4 3
source: Ford

Still, it was the pickup truck that Ford had the highest hopes for. With nearly seven feet of bed behind the cab despite a bumper-to-bumper length some three feet shorter than pickups with beds that size, the Econoline was a practical alternative larger trucks.

Econoline Ad 5 4 3
source: Ford

Reportedly, Dearborn thought the open-backed variant would easily be the best-selling version of all the Econolines. Remember what I said about Ford’s marketing not being right all the time?

Pickup Buyers Want A Bonnet

Ultimately, the van version of the Econoline proved to be far more popular than the pickup truck. In fact, it wasn’t even close; sales figures over the span of this first Econoline show that Ford sold almost nine times as many vans than pickups.

Econoline Ad 3 4 3
source: Ford

Why did it fail to find buyers? That’s difficult to understand; maybe it was that pickup buyers in general still wanted their traditional products and not some oddly-shaped and strangely proportioned open shoe box, regardless of the great turning circle and visibility described below:

Econoline Brochure 4
source: Ford

If it was any comfort to Ford, they at least did better than GM; the pickup variants of the Corvair van only 13,600 units in 1961, and then less than 4,500 a year. Volkswagen bus-based pickups ultimately basically disappeared from America after the 1964 “Chicken Tax,” a retaliatory 25 percent tariff on imported pickups after Germany tried to tariff our cheap American chicken. How dare they!

For 1964, Chevrolet admitted defeat, threw in the towel on the Corvair, and copied the Econoline’s engine layout for their new vans; this time around, they didn’t even bother with a pickup truck version at all.

Chevy Van 4 3
source: General Motors

Is it just me or does that thing not look like Scooby Doo is about to hop out of it? And why did it take me so long to realize that Shaggy’s voice was the same as one that told me that Billy Squire was moving up three notches on the countdown this week?

Chevy Van Ad 3 4 3
source: General Motors

That same year, Dodge launched a veritable clone of the Econoline as well, the “big eye” A-100 van with a Leaning Tower Of Power between the front seats. Surprisingly, despite the poor reception of the Ford Econoline pickup, Mopar offered a similar body style version of their new van as well (yes, I know: this is the one used for the infamous, absurd wheelstanding “Little Red Truck” and the Dodge Diora show vehicle).

Dudge Van 4 3
source: Chrysler

It seems odd that Dodge would do that, considering that Ford’s little pickup really didn’t do that much better than the poor-selling Corvair.

  • 1961: 14,893 total (11,893 standard + 3,000 custom)
  • 1962: 8,140 total
  • 1963: 11,394 total (10,372 standard + 1,022 custom)
  • 1964: 5,184 total (4,196 standard + 988 custom)
  • 1966–1967: Less than 3,000 per year

Today, that rarity and hard use as work machines make Econoline pickups thin on the ground; that doesn’t mean there aren’t any examples out there.

Less Than A New Maverick At Least

This particular example of a ’62 was listed on Bring A Trailer not long ago. It’s remarkably stock (with the exception of the deleted bumpers):

Econoline For Sale 2 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

If you look at a base model of any pickup today it’s shocking to see how utilitarian Ford was willing to make products sixty years ago.

Econoline For Sale 1 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

I believe that those are (non “Pony” interior) Mustang seats the owner added, since they look a bit too fancy for this work machine.

Econoline Interior 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

Early models like this had a very tacked-on heater:

Econoline Dash 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

Check out how much room there is behind the front seats; it’s almost a King Cab. Unlike Chevy’s Corvair, which put the spare tire here, Ford put the tire out at the back of the bed.

Econoline Cargo 4 3
source: Bring A Trailer

You still get seven feet of totally flat cargo bed in back (though some later models had a bell housing bulge near the cab back wall). The spare tire is missing, but the bracket is there:

Econoline Bed 4 2
source: Bring A Trailer

How much? This one went for $18,000, which is about the going rate for decent condition ones. Super-clean or professionally modified ones (particularly with V8s that will actually fit in the doghouse) can go for more, but you’d be hard pressed to restore a beat-up example for less than these asking prices. You’d also have to look hard for a more unique and usable classic to draw attention to your business, as long as 80 mile an hour highway runs in 95-degree weather aren’t on your agenda.

A Better Idea From Ford

For 1968, Ford changed the van game again with a new Econoline that moved the engine further forward and got the radiator under a short, conventional hood to give the passengers a little more comfort and to move the driver and front passenger further back from the front. “Cabover” style vans would disappear as safety concerns grew. The other Big Three would follow suit with their vans during the seventies; the current Chevy Express and GMC Savanna still follow this formula.

Econoline Pickup Ad 1 4 5
source: Ford

Still, the “van pickup” idea never came back, other than geniuses who sawed the back roofs off of their old Caravans. Maybe they’re onto something; Ford certainly thought buyers would like the idea of a pickup truck that wasn’t much longer than the usable bed, but it turned out to be a great idea whose time never came.

Top graphic image: Ford

 

 

 

 

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Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
3 months ago

That little red Econoline is my favorite Tonka Truck

Last edited 3 months ago by Urban Runabout
Redapple
Redapple
3 months ago

The villain in “Dark Winds” drove a green Dodge one this season. I like all 3 variants.

Discola
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Discola
3 months ago

I’ve been wondering, with the smaller motor package size in electric cars, if a cab-over electric pickup truck would have all of the advantages of a cab-over without the disadvantages of sitting over a hot engine. You could place the battery pack all the way back under the bed as well to improve range and weight distribution. I think it could be an excellent small pick-up truck.

Last edited 3 months ago by Discola
Will Packer
Will Packer
3 months ago
Reply to  Discola

A Cab-Over pickup or van like this is highly unlikely, due to crash test ratings. Your shins are the crumple zone!

Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
3 months ago
Reply to  Discola

I wonder the same, and if I had infinite Youtuber money, I want to combine two Slate trucks into a single cab-over van design with some custom panels and bodywork. I am the Last Crusader of the Cab-Over Van.

(FWIW Modern Toyota Hiaces have a full rack of airbags and a smart-car-like front crash cell of sorts, but Toyota ultimately went to the short nose design of modern European vans to compete in the power and comfort realm)

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
3 months ago
Reply to  Discola

Check out the Telo MT1. It’s sort of a cab-over design, and they state it’ll meet current crash rules.

A small, ok, ‘tiny’ truck. Only comes as a four-door, to start when it gets sold. Might not be a 2-door, but hopefully it will be produced and sold.

This is highly interesting to me, though I’m on the east coast, so far away from where it’ll be built (and supported for a while at least).

https://build.telotrucks.com/?view=build

Discola
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Discola
2 months ago

Holy Cow that is super interesting! Going to play around with the site but that is basically what I was talking about

Really No Regrets
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Really No Regrets
2 months ago
Reply to  Discola

It is interesting, with the backseat back folding down to expand the bed area to a bit more than 8 feet long. I’m hopeful that it’ll actually make it to market and Telo becomes a ‘real’ auto manufacturer. Many videos are out published about their ethos and manufacturing idea that allows such a short length to provide all the functions that it does. I’m solo 99% of the time in my current car, so would be primarily interested in driver comfort and safety.

Let me/us know that you what happens when you’re buying your next ride.

4jim
4jim
3 months ago

Working on the motor while sitting on a seat was really nice on cold or wet days. We had a 60s dodge van when I was a kid that I learned to work on.

Will Packer
Will Packer
3 months ago
Reply to  4jim

Did Dodge get the Slant-6? Or would that have been a packaging problem?

4jim
4jim
3 months ago
Reply to  Will Packer

no idea i think the one we had had the 318.

I don't hate manual transmissions
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I don't hate manual transmissions
3 months ago

I was so hoping the Canoo truck was going to become a thing. It would have been a modern reinvention of these cab-forward truck designs. It was on my wish list for first EV.

Alas, spending twice your company’s annual income on private jet travel expenses tends to do bad things to the balance sheet. (Not to mention the jet in question was essentially the guy’s own personal property.)

How the board allowed him to get away with that, I have no idea. The VC guys that threw away all that money must have been pissed.

Last edited 3 months ago by I don't hate manual transmissions
Gary Wright
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Gary Wright
3 months ago

The “engine right there” feature came in handy when the throttle cable on my jeep FC-170 broke. I was able to work the carb with my right hand while shifting with my left, but yeah otherwise it was noisy and hot in the summer.

Ed Campbell
Ed Campbell
3 months ago

The modern Dodge Catravans have a four by eight foot load floor that is very close to flat after you fold the seats all down out of the way.

Diana Slyter
Diana Slyter
3 months ago

Downside was it was so nose heavy that Ford added a heavy “bumper reinforcement bar” in the back.

Jason Herring
Jason Herring
3 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I got a DVD set years ago called ‘Stock Cars of 50s & 60s’, but one of the four discs is titled ‘Chevy Comparisons’. It contains copies of two of Chevy’s dealer trading films from ’62 and ’63. Forgot which of the two covers the Corvan pickup versus the Econoline pickup. The film shows what happens in a panic stop in the Econoline pickup–it teeters up on its front axle, and the truck’s rear axle leaves the ground!

Wilbur
Wilbur
3 months ago

None of the Big 3’s efforts really looked as good as the Jeep FC, which had the advantage of also being four-wheel drive AND included a PTO.

TroubledTroubadour
TroubledTroubadour
3 months ago

My grandfather said Bell had a ton of these 1st gen Econolines running around in the late 60s and early 70s when he was hired on. They’d make the new guys ride on the “hot seat”

Nick Fortes
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Nick Fortes
3 months ago

I remember seeing ex-Bell vans when I was little. Still were white over olive green, but people sanded or painted over the Bell logos which you could still sometimes see the ghost imprint of. Actually now that I think of it, they were probably early 70s Econolines, just after the cabover look ended.

Jason Herring
Jason Herring
3 months ago
Reply to  Nick Fortes

My dad bought a used ’67 ex-telephone company Econoline in ’72 when he served in the 82nd Airborne at Fort Bragg. The used car lot had several, and it repainted some of them in bright yellow, which he bought one. The interior was still in the original phone company dark gray. Dad only added a smaller wood-rimmed steering wheel, an AM/FM radio and 8-track player, and a couple of single school bus seats for me and my sister. Oh, and he added some horizontal black rally stripes along the upper body crease. He never ‘upgraded’ from the stock steel rims, or bothered to remove the grill guard up front. He sold the van in ’74 when we were back home at Ft. Hood, after he got orders to go to Scholfield Barracks in Hawaii. He didn’t relish driving the van to visit his parents in Mississippi then to visit other relatives in Kansas, then onto California for shipment by boat to Hawaii (the Army flew us via United). We

M SV
M SV
3 months ago

The side ramp of the corvair was popular with telephone companies they could roll a roll of wire right in the bed. My experience with the old van trucks is they feel extra utilitarian. Cab overs in general have that feeling. I guess the European market heavy stuff hasn’t had that for a while but even the Japanese stuff up to fairly recently has has that utilitarian sheet metal all over tin box feeling.
It’s always interesting to look at that period to see how the Germans effected their thinking then a decade or so later with the Japanese.

Gen3 Volt
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Gen3 Volt
3 months ago

My band’s guitarist had a mid-60s Dodge. It’s amazing the amount of discomfort we put up with just to get stuff from A to B back then. Of course I don’t recall it being especially noisy or unpleasant to ride in, certainly no worse than trying to gig out of my Datsun 610 wagon.

Kevin Rhodes
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Kevin Rhodes
3 months ago

Even beyond the safety concerns, these things were loud and rode and handled *terribly*. One of my uncles had one when I was a kid, super bouncy with even less wieght on the rear than a regular pickup (or van), and absolutely useless in winter without a whole bunch of ballast in the bed.

But they sure are cute! And I absolutely love that completely no-nonsense interior.

RHM 31
RHM 31
3 months ago

Just move the engine back to the bed area and you have the ultimate wheelie machine!

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
3 months ago
Reply to  RHM 31

I think if you hit the brakes hard enough when unloaded, it would do nose wheelies! At least they did in the Corvair van dealer training videos.

TroubledTroubadour
TroubledTroubadour
3 months ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

GM removed the counterweights I believe.

Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
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Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
3 months ago
Reply to  SoCoFoMoCo

Yeah, standard hazing at my company was to get the new kid on the hot seat and pull a nosie from 40 mph. Fortunately a buddy tipped me off and I was ready for it. We only had the Ford Econos for a few years my the time I got there, I never got to pass the tradition on…

Hotdoughnutsnow
Hotdoughnutsnow
3 months ago
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Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago

I think this is the one that had to have ballast under the bed behind the rear axle so it wouldn’t do nose stands.

Tj1977
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Tj1977
3 months ago

The idea of a van-based truck is still a thing in foreign markets…

Ex-Exeo
Ex-Exeo
3 months ago
Reply to  Tj1977

It’s fascinating how differently pickup trucks developed east and west of the Atlantic post-chicken tax. The European style is particularly efficient for arresting loitering baby seals.

http://www.polizeiautos.de/show_one.php?id=9671&bild=3

Phuzz
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Phuzz
2 months ago
Reply to  Tj1977

You can buy a Transit with just a cab and a bare chassis for whatever kind of body you like.
The real question is; if a van is converted into a pickup, does that make it a ute?

Tj1977
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Tj1977
2 months ago
Reply to  Phuzz

Oh, this sounds like a patented Torch rant just waiting to happen…

Terry Mahoney
Terry Mahoney
3 months ago

These things are crazy lightweight. I’ve been told they also have a large steel plate bolted to the bottom of the bed to help balance them. Haven’t remembered to look under one when I see one yo confirm. They’ll also accept a 289/302 with ease. I’ve always liked the weirdness of them.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago

Is that first generation Chevy Van pictured in white Bender’s great great great great grandfather?

Rich Mason
Rich Mason
3 months ago

Drove one of these for 3 months in LA one summer.
Also drove the Corsair model shown, both were company trucks.
Both were total death traps.

Between the stellar handling, brakes, and constant vapor lock it was excruciating.

The only thing good was the ability to haul surf boards and beach crap with ease.

Last edited 3 months ago by Rich Mason
Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
3 months ago

That white Chevy van looks utterly aghast, like it can’t believe this is its fate.

Nlpnt
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Nlpnt
3 months ago
Reply to  Gilbert Wham

“I wanted to be a Nova SS…”

Manwich Sandwich
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Manwich Sandwich
3 months ago
Reply to  Nlpnt

“You can’t always get what you want”

Nick Fortes
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Nick Fortes
3 months ago
Reply to  Gilbert Wham

Sat there looking fed up.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
3 months ago

Let’s speculate what a modern version of this concept would look like:
-Small bed.
-High belt lines.
-Racetrack tail lamps.
-Seventeen grilles.
-19″ alloy wheels.
-45″ touchscreen.
-No physical controls
-LED headlamps rated to 50 billion lumens.

Jac
Jac
3 months ago
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Gurpgork
Gurpgork
3 months ago
Reply to  Jac

I actually like those.

Jac
Jac
3 months ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

Me too, I hope to buy one in about 5 years when my 2017 i3 is getting old.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Jac

Have mine reserved and fingers crossed it really happens.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago
Reply to  Canopysaurus

Haven’t reserved one yet, but I’m on the mailing list.
Waiting to find out the price, and hoping that there is a removable bed shell.

I had high hopes for the smaller Honda Zero. Hopefully the everything I even think about buying immediately fails in the marketplace pattern doesn’t repeat itself.

Gurpgork
Gurpgork
3 months ago
Reply to  Jac

I’m a nut for fun textures, and the renders of the interior surfaces makes me giddy.

Jac
Jac
3 months ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

Oh yah, reminds me of my i3, which I adore.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
3 months ago
Reply to  Gurpgork

First I’ve heard of Telo. I hope the company succeeds. I’d imagine Telo and its investors are following Slate’s progress closely, and (knock wood) sales to see how the US market reacts to a non-behemoth truck.

Jac
Jac
3 months ago

Definitely, they also hope to start shipping this year actually!

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
3 months ago

In the early 70s, the garage I worked for used an old Econoline pick up as a parts getter and general errand runner. It looked like it would stand on its nose during a panic stop or steep descent (a la Jeep FWC shorties), but never felt unstable and it could turn on a dime. Not that teenage me ever horsed around with it, because of course, I’d never do that.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
3 months ago

I rode in a mid-60s Ford van several times. The dog house was my “seat” and can confirm the engine was loud for all occupants. Even as a little kid, I thought placing the engine in the cargo and passenger compartment was a dumb idea. “Driverized Cab Comfort,” indeed.

The first US entry in this market was the Willys FC, which offered four-wheel drive.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago

I used to get occasional rides from a florest that had one and usually I ended up sitting on the dashboard Seth my butt against the windshield.

Pavement whizzing under my butt at 60mph at night was memorable.

Dolsh
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Dolsh
3 months ago

Can’t help but notice how much Ford and Chevy talked about their affordable pickups/trucks in the ads.

Affordability. What a concept.

Dolsh
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Dolsh
3 months ago
Reply to  The Bishop

I do enjoy unnecessarily long commitments.

Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
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Fineheresyourdamn70dollars
3 months ago
Reply to  Dolsh

I remember my dad’s apocalyptic reaction to an ad in the mid-80’s that advertised new at the time 48 month paper.

MrLM002
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MrLM002
3 months ago
Reply to  Dolsh

When you have foreign competition that offers it then suddenly domestic automakers start giving a shit, too bad LBJ under pressure from the UAW instituted the chicken tax, effectively killing off the Type 2 pickup and cargo van variants for the US market

TK-421
TK-421
3 months ago

Looking at that photo of the Ford’s engine “right there”, I’m wondering when did the idea of firewalls become a thing?

JumboG
JumboG
3 months ago
Reply to  TK-421

Vans up until very recently (and perhaps even till today, I haven’t looked at a full size van recently) have removable doghouses right in between the driver and passenger seats.

OverlandingSprinter
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OverlandingSprinter
3 months ago
Reply to  JumboG

Not today, with the exception of the ancient Chevy Express and Ford E series cutaways. Modern Mercs, Fords and Ducatos don’t have dog houses.

JumboG
JumboG
3 months ago

Yeah, those are the ones I was thinking of. The modern front wheel drive style ones have enough hood to keep everything separate.

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago
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Professor Chorls
Professor Chorls
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Crawford

can i just buy that and drive it as is

Hugh Crawford
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Hugh Crawford
3 months ago

Dr Dolittle , is that you?

https://youtu.be/5qUr96HmUTw

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