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The New Dodge Charger Is Already As Heavy As A Pickup, So Why Not Put A Bed On It?

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Many cars were seen quite differently half a century ago. What they were back then doesn’t translate the same today.

Recently, our Mercedes Streeter was invited to test the latest Dodge Charger, a modern version of the traditional Mopar muscle car. My guess is that in her mind (as with many people), she imagines a “muscle car” as a compact, lightweight thing, which is what most of them really were in the scheme of things during their heyday of the sixties and early seventies. The reality is that those were never small cars, as the hubcap-shedding ’68 Charger in the movie Bullitt demonstrated. Today, those cars are almost universally considered to be large, heavy boats in the scheme of things today, and it turns out this new Charger is similarly-sized to the old one and weighs even more.

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As a person with more tiny Smart cars than you can count on the fingers of one hand, Mercedes voiced these opinions in Slack a few days back:

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She also commented that it felt like a car you were “sitting on instead of in”, which I just kind of figured was expected for a mid-sized American sedan (I put several hundred thousand miles on Ford Panther bodies back in the day, so the new Charger doesn’t fit into my description of “large” car). In the back of my head, I sort of knew what was coming next based on that comment above. I waited, but didn’t have to wait long for the payoff:

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Do you see? These stupid ideas aren’t all from my own mind; sometimes I’m just the pawn with Photoshop in the game.

Mopar Dodged The American Ute Market

Beginning nearly seventy years ago, American companies started to build a new type of vehicle: the “coupe ute” pickup truck based on standard cars. Ford was the first with the Ranchero in 1957.

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source: Hyman LTD

Many (myself included) thought that Chevy was the pioneer here, but their own El Camino entry didn’t arrive until two years later.

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source: General Motors

Oddly enough, the last member of the Big Three never really played in this field. I’m well aware that our friends in the Upside Down World had a steady stream of Aussie Mopar “utes”, but they were generally made to be much more utilitarian and not a balance of style and function like the American examples. Well, those fender-top turn signals on Project Cactus are pretty stylish, however.

Project Cactus
source: The Autopian

Oddly enough, the one time that Chrysler corporation did delve into the “coupe ute” market it was not with a full-sized rear-drive product but instead a French-developed front-drive compact: the Dodge Omni. Adding a pickup bed to the Omni-based Charger/O24 sport coupe created the rare Dodge Rampage (and twin Plymouth Scamp), which was far more competitive with the VW Rabbit pickup than an El Camino.

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source: Chrysler

That means it’s high time, after three-quarters of a century, for what’s now called Stellantis to give us that high-powered “coupe ute” we’ve waited so long for. As Mercedes Streeter said, it’s within “a hot dog’s length of a Tahoe and weighs as much as a RAM 1500.” Time to get to work.

Maybe Call It “Ram/Charger” Instead?

How do we turn the Charger into a pickup? Well, there’s a two- and four-door version of Dodge’s muscle car, and we could start with the sedan’s shorter front doors to give maximum cargo area, but that would result in a confining, uncomfortable cabin. I’d rather go with coupe doors in the same manner as old El Caminos did. I’ve increased the wheelbase by four inches or so and added some overhang in back, but the end result is no longer than the last 1978-87 A/G body El Camino.

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source: Stellantis

Tiny rear quarter windows fit in sail panels that flow into the bed, but the rear window itself would be essentially vertical for maximum bed length.

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source: Stellantis

The tailgate would admittedly be a bit shallow since we can’t dig into the stock-mandated bumper, but we could still offer some kind of cage to fit over the opened gate to accommodate bigger, longer items if needed.

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source: Stellantis

That’s still a pretty large vehicle for cargo and just two passengers, right? Well, maybe we can try some other tricks.

We Had To Ride In The Bed As Kids

You’re a bit of an idiot and time waster if you’ve read much of my writing, but if you did so, you might have noticed that I’m not a big fan of two-seaters. Sure, sports machines are great, but if it’s to be used as a “real car,” it has to occasionally carry two friends to their car in the rain or take your nephew and niece to get ice cream. That’s why I almost always try to find ways to get at least “occasional” seating into cars, and “coupe utes” are no different.

So far, I scribbled up an idea for a new El Camino EV based on a Blazer that had a passenger compartment that could expand into the cargo bed if you need to carry two more people (animation below).

El Camino Animation 2
source: General Motors

For my Mustang Mach-E-based Ranchero EV, I had a different extra-passenger idea.

Ranchero New 10 13
source: Ford

A third person could sit on the split bench front seat when you fold up the center armrest/console. Here’s the Mach-E interior animated into a Ranchero.

Ranchero Front Seat Animation 1 10 14
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With my Ram Scamp based on the unfortunate Hornet, I did a bit of the opposite.

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source: Stellantis

Here I kept a rear seat and doors, but allowed for a “liftgate” to give access to all the space up to the backs of the front seats. Admittedly, that “awning” the gate creates is hardly weather-proofing.

 

 

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source: Stellantis

I didn’t want to go quite as tricky with the new Charger-based Rampage, so I simply kept the solid cargo wall below that near-vertical backlight, but moved it back enough to create a cargo area with rather pathetic rear seats that, if nothing else, might be a little bit better than what passes for rear perches in a Toyota 86 or certainly a Lexus LC500. What looks like a center armrest could be an opening hole around nine inches wide to allow you to carry very long objects like 2x6s or eight-foot lengths of baseboard molding.

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source: Singing River CJR

Kids could fit there, or even two less-than-really-tall adults on the passenger’s side if the shotgun seat is pushed pretty far forward. Of course, legally we can’t say one person would sit sideways back there, but that would absolutely happen on quick trips to Culver’s for lunch with an office mate. If nothing else, it’s good indoor storage space; that’s important since even if you based this Rampage on an electric Charger, the frunk on that thing is a bit of a joke. Again, it’s a big car, so it has to offer something to justify its size.

This Thing Is A Party At Both Ends

Now, when Mercedes Streeter suggested that I draw up this odd machine, she almost certainly wasn’t thinking about it from a marketing perspective. I have very serious doubts that such an El Charger Camino would find many buyers.

Still, this is the firm once known as the Chrysler Corporation we’re talking about, the people that gave us things like the Viper and Prowler that never stood a chance anyway as legitimate, profitable products, but they sure did their job as halo products for the often-struggling brands.

A new Rampage might just be bonkers enough to bring the right kind of attention to what was supposed to be Dodge’s big revival machine. What have they got to lose?

Top graphic images: Stellantis; The Bishop; DepositPhotos.com

 

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Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
2 days ago

As a ’79 El Camino owner for the past 26 years, I wholeheartedly approve this project!

SoCoFoMoCo
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SoCoFoMoCo
2 days ago

This is awesome, but I would still rather have the Mach-Echero. It’s kinda hard to beat that Torinio-esque front end!

Maymar
Maymar
2 days ago

Hell yeah. Throw a couple Surrons in the back or something and go for some 21st century hooning.

Fatallightning
Fatallightning
2 days ago

I’m a fan. Closest thing we’ll get to a Barra powered Falcon Ute for another 20 years. For an occasional back seat, let’s design in a Skoda Felicia Fun style rear seat that folds out of the back.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
3 days ago

Set the shrink-ray to 7/8ths scale.

CivoLee
CivoLee
3 days ago

I know you’re trying to be snarky with the back seat idea, but a front bench makes more sense.

Honestly, with as big as it is, I’m surprised the Charger Daytona doesn’t have the option IRL. Such a waste of interior space.

Last edited 3 days ago by CivoLee
Johnologue
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Johnologue
3 days ago

I don’t know offhand how much a RAM 1500 weighs. Unless it weighs 1500 lbs.
I actually had a really hard time finding how much the new Challenger weighs (only got slop results) until I realized this was about a new Charger, but I was confused by the two-door car used for the article image. That’s a Challenger, right?

Further research has informed me that the Dodge Challenger hasn’t existed since 2023, replaced by a “two-door Charger”. Which weighs something like 5000 lbs, I guess.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
3 days ago

So what you’re proposing is a RamCharger?

Adam Rice
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Adam Rice
2 days ago
Reply to  Urban Runabout

I’m thinking “Chargero”.

IIRC, Rangers had sideways jump seats that would be more practical in this space.

Urban Runabout
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Urban Runabout
2 days ago
Reply to  Adam Rice

Yes – I had a Ranger w/ the sideways jump seats and found it made more sense allowing people to stretch their legs across the cab rather than pretending anyone could be comfortable with heels against their buttocks for more than two blocks.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
3 days ago

Judging by poor sales of the Santa Cruz, there isn’t a market for these anymore.

The venn diagram of Americans who like utes and people who will spend $60k on a new car is just two circles.

Hazdazos
Hazdazos
3 days ago

Whole lot of people bought, and continue to buy, the Ford Maverick. Lots and lots of them. But that tops out at around $48k. A mid-gate is mostly pointless. Needless complexity. And it absolutely is a ute, but styled more like a regular pickup.

MrLM002
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MrLM002
3 days ago

Honestly would if they got rid of the electric door handles.

Bonus if they give it a manual transmission

Instead of the front bench I’d go with a center console delete. That way the middle seat has tons of legroom and the rear seat has easier access in general.

James McHenry
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James McHenry
3 days ago

The question isn’t “should they?”, (Yes, absolutely,) the question is “will they?” (No, absolutely not.)

…I mean I hope they prove me wrong but I don’t think they have the nerve to essentially bring out a 2-seater Ute in an age where everything that isn’t a sports car has to be a family car. If anything, they’ll half-heartedly take the 4-door and make an uber-short-bed Subaru Baja thing out of it. Might work if it had a midgate.

Nathan Gibbs
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Nathan Gibbs
3 days ago

HOW has there been zero mention of the Smyth Ute kits here yet?

https://www.smythkitcars.com/charger-ute

Dennis Ames
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Dennis Ames
3 days ago
Reply to  Nathan Gibbs

I came by just to see this

Navarre
Navarre
3 days ago
Reply to  Nathan Gibbs

Glad I didn’t have to point it out myself. Lol

Brett Coley
Brett Coley
3 days ago

Pickup? Too easy. It’s big enough to be a motorhome. And there’s a precedent for it from 60 years ago.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images-webp/news/1966-dodge-charger-camper-is-the-vintage-muscle-motorhome-you-never-knew-existed-202302-7.jpg.webp

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
3 days ago

It’s less than a hot dog shorter than a Tahoe

The Charger is such an American car that not even SAE units are far enough from the metric system.

Ranwhenparked
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Ranwhenparked
3 days ago
Reply to  4moremazdas

Its 8.2 inches longer than the LX-based 2023 Charger and 2.9 inches longer than the 2004 Intrepid, that the LX Charger replaced.

But, full-size cars are supposed to be big, the same way compact cars are supposed to be small, the size is literally in the name of the category, so the Charger is a full-size car as it has been for 20+ years, and everything tends to get bigger which each redesign these days

Laurence Rogers
Laurence Rogers
3 days ago

I like the concept, nice one Bishop! I don’t recall seeing any of these new Chargers driving when I was in LA, plenty sitting at dealerships though!

Based on Mercedes’ recent experiences, you could absolutely make a special edition and name it the Drifter!

The big flanks of this thing would look neat with some stripes!

https://www.theautopian.com/chrysler-in-australia-was-weirder-and-more-fascinating-than-you-can-possibly-imagine/

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
3 days ago

I also now need to see a full wagon version, a new Magnum, if you will

Bearddevil
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Bearddevil
3 days ago

Oh man, if they had a wagon version of the EV Charger, I’d already have one. As it stands, the EV Charger coupe (used) is near the top of my list for when the lease on my 500e is up.

4moremazdas
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4moremazdas
3 days ago

I’m also on board for the Magnum. I don’t know why I didn’t even think of this until now.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
3 days ago

A Magnum on this platform would be amazing

MrLM002
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MrLM002
3 days ago

+1

BlownGP
BlownGP
2 days ago

Yes, the Magnum needs to come back. I love those.

M SV
M SV
3 days ago

They need to do it bring back the rampage they can even just call it a ram page and sell it under ram like since it’s their people hauling division now too. I’m sure if the regular chargers sell in any numbers smyth will make a kit but still the success of that where people are doing it says there is a market and it has to be bigger then the amount of people that will start cutting and body filling with a kit.

Dogisbadob
Dogisbadob
3 days ago
Reply to  M SV

+1 came here for Ram Page 😀

Canopysaurus
Canopysaurus
3 days ago

So we’re turning a Charger into a Clydesdale? Works for me.

Undecided profile name
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Undecided profile name
3 days ago

The new charger is only 6ish inches short of the crown vic. Where do you draw the cutoff between large and medium?

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
3 days ago

Holy smokes! I had no idea the Crown Vic was such a big boy. Though the lightest Charger is still 700 pounds more than a Crown Vic.

LarsVargas
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LarsVargas
3 days ago

My Crown Vic (’02 LX Sport) weighed around 4,200 pounds. Not svelte by any means, but not as heavy as you’d think. The Flex (’10 SEL EcoBoost) I replaced it with weighed over 4,600 pounds.

My current DD, a ’23 Hyundai Santa Cruz (Night Edition, turbo, AWD) shockingly weighs as much as the Crown Vic. The DCT does help with mileage. It’s more powerful than the Crown Vic and gets 50% to 80% better gas mileage.

Mercedes Streeter
Mercedes Streeter
3 days ago
Reply to  LarsVargas

The LX is still 600 pounds short of a Charger Scat Pack despite being six inches longer. But to be fair to the Charger, it was built on an EV platform. Also, 550 HP rights a lot of wrongs. 🙂

Logan
Logan
3 days ago

It’s also as big as a pickup truck so it should work out.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
3 days ago

I just saw a stage 2 Daytona EV model in person on Saturday and I really like it. Great proportions and yeah it’s big but it really does remind me of the early 70’s muscle era. A ute would be a really cool addition to this line up.

Lockleaf
Lockleaf
3 days ago

I’ve seen a few EV and Gas versions out in the wild now. I quite like them as well. I recognize how large they are but to me they do not appear that way on the street. They carry their size well, at least in appearance.

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
3 days ago
Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
3 days ago

What, Lana? I said it was a rampage

Emil Minty
Emil Minty
3 days ago

Pampage!

TheDrunkenWrench
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TheDrunkenWrench
3 days ago

Oh HELL yes. This would make a killer ute.

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