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The Next Honda Accord Is Going To Look Very Different

Honda Kiwami Concept

I like the current look of the Honda Accord, which has a sleek profile that suits both its desire for efficiency and its status as one of the few remaining sedans on the market. Honda, a company that’s so far on its back foot it could push its heel through a marble floor, doesn’t agree with me and is in the process of rushing out a dramatic refresh of the model

As a Honda hybrid owner, it baffles me a little that Honda doesn’t have more of these on the market. I got a call from a dealer yesterday asking if they could buy my car, which isn’t something I’m interested in, but I might get a quote for an article. The poor salesperson tried to imply that maybe a bigger hybrid Passport was coming next year. I had to tell him it wasn’t. The mess at Honda will require strong leadership, and a cabal of ex-leaders reportedly tried to throw the current guy out for, among other things, spending too much time with golfers.

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It wouldn’t be The Morning Dump without some executive intrigue, and Honda’s CEO isn’t alone. The head of a startup truck company is having to face a lot of complaints from employees that he didn’t pay them. Oops. Ford’s CEO would like to keep selling affordable cars, and he’s asking for some fairness in the upcoming USMCA negotiations.

The 2027 Accord Will ‘Feel Like A New Model’

Honda Hybrid Sedan Prototype
Photo: Honda

The photo at the top of this post is of the 2003 Honda Kiwami concept, which looks curiously like the now-canceled Honda 0 Saloon, even though it debuted 20 years earlier. I initially doubted that the new Honda Accord would look anything like it, but it was a fun thought exercise to remember that Honda really, really, really likes this shape.

This month is the 50th annivesary of the Honda Accord and the car is selling well. The current Accord was nearly up 30% year-over-year in May and about 29% through almost the first half of the year. Unlike the Passport/Pilot/Odyssey, the Accord has a popular and excellent hybrid system available. Yet, it’s not selling well enough for Honda, which is planning a dramatic refresh.

Folks at Honda told Automotive News that the new car will be bolder than the current version:

Gary Robinson, American Honda’s head of product planning, described the changes as “pretty major,” declining to elaborate on what’s headed to dealerships in the second half of 2027.

“Customers will see a substantially redesigned Accord that will feel like a new model,” Robinson said.

What does that mean? AN‘s sources have some ideas:

The sleeker, more aerodynamic design draws inspiration from Honda’s scrapped 0 Series electric sedan. “The 0 Series went too far,” one of the people with knowledge of the update said. “The Accord strikes the right balance.”

It’s possible that this means it looks like the cleverly-named Hybrid Sedan Prototype shown by Honda in March, which was left-hand-drive and looks very American, with production-spec DOT-style reflectors, motors, et cetera. As Thomas pointed out:

Those details are far more intriguing here because this “Prototype” model features far more radical styling than the Acura crossover. It’s a dramatic two-box design with a serious slope to the roofline. The front lighting arrangement is like nothing we’ve seen from Honda, and plastic cladding on a sedan is rather unusual. While it’s hard to judge size from a photo alone, the Hybrid Sedan Prototype does appear slightly longer than the Acura Hybrid SUV Prototype, so it might be more Accord-sized than Civic-sized.

My guess is that it’s exactly this, which does indeed take some small cues from the Honda 0 Saloon, which itself took cues from the Honda Kiwami concept. Through the transitive property of car design, it means the Honda Accord that America is going to get in 2027 is based on a 25-year-old design. At least I hope it is, because I love the Kiwami concept.

Honda’s Old Guard Reportedly Tried To Boot Current CEO Toshihiro Mibe

Honda Golf Iwai Sisters
Photo: Honda

As evidenced by the above, Honda is not in great shape now and is having to execute a large turnaround amidst big troubles in also-large China, as well as tariffs. It’s therefore not a huge shock that some of the company’s old guard has a lot of concerns and at least, according to this detailed report from Reuters, considered removing current CEO Toshihiro Mibe.

It obviously didn’t work, but the attempt did surface a lot of the concerns around the company. In addition to Honda’s ill-fated push into EVs and rough go in China, Mibe himself is represented as not being involved in the genba of the company, which is how Honda refers to the “actual place” of the company, meaning the factories, labs, and sales rooms.

That Reuters piece includes this interesting detail:

During Mibe’s tenure, Honda’s share of the Chinese market nosedived, falling from 8 percent in 2020 to less than 3 percent last year.

Honda said the focus on the genba remained at its core, even as it worked to become more competitive in a changing market. It declined to specify how many times Mibe had visited China but said that travel was conducted as necessary.

Mibe, the alumni argued, was too focused on Honda’s golf sponsorship, including playing rounds with Akie and Chisato Iwai, pro sisters supported by the company.

When things are going well, the fact that you go out and play golf or drive cars or whatever makes it look like you’re a confident person with a well-balanced life. When things are going poorly, all of it is going to be used to paint you as a person who doesn’t have their eye on the ball. I don’t know what’s happening in Honda other than what’s reported, but if only for appearances I’d probably be playing less golf if I were Mibe.

EV Truck Startup Windrose Hit With Allegations Of Nonpayment

Windrose Truck Xray
Photo: Windrose

I haven’t covered the Tesla-challenging EV Semi startup Windrose because, after the whole Nikola disaster, or the Bollinger disaster, it seemed like maybe all of these companies might just fail. This one even has a young CEO who gets on a lot of lists at places like Forbes and then finds himself trying to explain to reporters why he’s not paying employees.

This time it’s Windrose’s CEO Wen Han, a 36-year-old Chinese native with a Stanford business degree. I am no oracle, but whenever I see “Stanford business degree” in an article about a tech startup I start to get a little concerned. For all of the hype surrounding the vehicle, things have not gone well according to this detailed report from Nikkei Asia:

Han hired more than a dozen American engineers, technicians, operation experts and factory managers — most former employees of defunct electric truck company Nikola — to develop Windrose’s U.S. operations and fulfill orders he said he had lined up. Most were in California while some worked remotely. By February, all but one had left the company or been laid off by text message or email, according to former Windrose employees.

Jason Gies, the former head of North American operations for Windrose, sued the company last October for $412,500 in unpaid severance after he was terminated by text, allegedly without cause. A federal court in the eastern district of Michigan ruled in Gies’ favor in January, after Windrose failed to respond to the lawsuit.

Han, who said it was a mistake to fire Gies over text, told Nikkei Asia he never personally received notices of the lawsuit. He said they were sent to the company’s office in Sunnyvale, California, which is shared with a boutique law firm and where he does not regularly check the mail.

The excuses just get worse from there, including an accusation of racial overtones that was denied by employees who said they just wanted to get paid and be treated fairly.

Jim Farley Would Like To See The Revised USMCA Become Fairer To Companies Building In The United States

Jim Farley
Photo credit: Spotify

There is a quirk of the current trade environment wherein companies that abide by President Trump’s first term United States-Canada-Mexico Agreement are somewhat disadvantaged relative to countries like the UK with flat tariffs. It’s hard to keep track of all of this because it seems to change every day, but the basic premise is that if you put a duty on imports that’s set at 10% for a vehicle, but charge 25% for parts brought into build a car in the United States, that could negate a lot of the advantages of building a car here.

Per the Detroit Free Press, Ford CEO Jim Farley addressed this concern:

“Really, our priority is to be able to import parts, build as much as we can in our country, but import parts to make the vehicles as affordable as possible,” Farley said.

[…]

“So what we’ll be looking for in the new negotiation is really making sure that if a vehicle is imported from Mexico and Canada, that it’s done as a level playing field, No. 1,” Farley said. “So, if you’re not compliant with USMCA, it should be very expensive to do that.”

Farley added, “We also want access to affordable parts, so we can make even more in the U.S., which is our plan, but be able to import parts without punitive tariffs,” Farley said.

Supply chains take years to move and Farley’s point is correct, that previously companies like Audi could skirt the USMCA and still import cars at a reasonably cheap price. If some version of the USMCA is to stay in place (whether as a trio of bilateral deals or one big deal), it doesn’t make sense to tariff those who follow the guidelines in a way that makes following them unecessary.

What I’m Listening To While Writing TMD

We are short basically the entire staff today, which means I gotta lock in. Why is my lock-in music the Icelandic jazz-pop performer Laufey? I don’t know, but I smirk every time I hear the “Blah blah blah” line in “From the start.”

The Big Question

What was the best Honda Accord?

Top photo: Honda

 

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Hoser68
Hoser68
14 minutes ago

TBQ.

4th Generation (1990-1993).

Honda has basically made the Accord look like a Big Civic for most generations, with a couple versions that look like Honda versions of a Camry. As a result, it has looked like a kid’s car (Civic) or an old-man mobile (Camry).

However, for the 4th generation, the Honda was something different. It looked more grown up than the Civic and looked like something an adult would buy. But an adult that still wanted a Honda and all that implies.

Also, in knowing people that owned Accords of this era, it was Camry level reliable, before Toyota figured out to make Camry’s Camry level reliable. I saw a lot hit stupid level miles, such as one that had over 400k.

Memory was it was the best selling car in America several years this generation as well.

I like the new Accords, since they have gone to being adult looking yet still a Honda too, but the impact of the 4th generation was big.

Bearddevil
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Bearddevil
16 minutes ago

TBQ: Two answers – the best Accord that I would have as a DD is the previous generation 2.0T 6-speed manual. Best outright? The last Accord wagon with the 4-cylinder and 5-speed.

Jrubinsteintowler
Jrubinsteintowler
29 minutes ago

Best Accord is the CL7 Euro R.

Hoser68
Hoser68
29 minutes ago

Honda.

I remember that in the 90s, Honda was making radically different looking cars. Today these designs look normal, but Honda’s didn’t look like any other car. My mom had a 86 Civic and there was no other car that looked like it at all, with the lack of a grill. That became more of the style in the early 90s, just for Honda to be even more radical.

The renderings in this story remind me of this. Honda’s should be polarizing and something futuristic. I’m not sure I like it, but to me, it could only be a Honda.

Phil
Phil
31 minutes ago

“Honda, a company that’s so far on its back foot it could push its heel through a marble floor”

Great quote.

It’ll be interesting to see how a dramatic redesign addresses the poor sales performance of this generation of Accord. And it is indeed selling poorly, at half of its main rival and half what it sold ~10 years ago.

I like the overall look of the current Accord as well, but Honda should have added a bit more depth of detail to the tailights, grille, headlights to keep it from looking quite so flat and budget. The B9 Audi A4 was also a very clean simple design but they paid more attention to the details and so it didn’t look cheap.

Last edited 8 minutes ago by Phil
Anonymous Person
Anonymous Person
33 minutes ago

The Big QuestionWhat was the best Honda Accord?

I don’t know that I’ve ever seen an accord that I could say I actually liked. But where I live, I can sometimes go three months without seeing a Honda. I’ve never driven a Honda, either, so I’ll admit to not being the best qualified to answer this question.

Maybe one of the old Accord wagons? I just Googled 2-door Accord wagons and it gave me this:

https://static0.hotcarsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Honda-Accord-Aerodeck-petrol-blog.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1.5

Ben
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Ben
41 minutes ago

Han hired more than a dozen American engineers, technicians, operation experts and factory managers — most former employees of defunct electric truck company Nikola

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, well, you know the rest.

It’s hard to keep track of all of this because it seems to change every day, but the basic premise is that if you put a duty on imports that’s set at 10% for a vehicle, but charge 25% for parts brought into build a car in the United States, that could negate a lot of the advantages of building a car here.

You’ve just demonstrated more understanding of economics than this entire administration combined.

Hangover Grenade
Hangover Grenade
39 minutes ago
Reply to  Ben

Shame on thee for the misquote.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
43 minutes ago

“Han hired more than a dozen American engineers, technicians, operation experts and factory managers — most former employees of defunct electric truck company Nikola — to develop Windrose’s U.S. operations and fulfill orders he said he had lined up. Most were in California while some worked remotely. By February, all but one had left the company or been laid off by text message or email, according to former Windrose employees.”

Frying pan, meet fire.

“Jason Gies, the former head of North American operations for Windrose, sued the company last October for $412,500 in unpaid severance after he was terminated by text, allegedly without cause. A federal court in the eastern district of Michigan ruled in Gies’ favor in January, after Windrose failed to respond to the lawsuit.”

Strange since this is exactly what “at will” employment allows:

“Employees in California are presumed to be at-will. At-will employment allows either the employer or employee to terminate the employment relationship at any time without cause or notice, unless otherwise specified in an employment contract. Although most employment relationships are at-will, employees may have legal recourse if termination violates specific contractual agreements or public policy protections, such as anti-discrimination laws or whistleblower statutes. California laws offer various protections that may apply even to at-will employees.”

https://www.melmedlaw.com/guide/at-will-employment/

Sounds like he got very lucky and won by default rather than on merit.

Last edited 42 minutes ago by Cheap Bastard
Kurt B
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Kurt B
44 minutes ago

6th Gen Accord coupe. Everyone else is wrong

Arch Duke Maxyenko
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Arch Duke Maxyenko
49 minutes ago

Man, it’s crazy how much people hate on the USMCA, including the current president of America. I wonder who was involved negotiating it?

Alexk98
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Alexk98
51 minutes ago

There is a quirk of the current trade environment

I know we try to avoid being overtly political here, but this isn’t a quirk, this is a symptom of absolute failure of leadership from the current administration. It’s a consequence of widespread tariff and trade policy determined entirely by vibes and opinions and zero planning. This is something so blatantly counter productive to the stated goals of the administration and something that would have been obvious with more than a middle-school research papers level of investigation. How anyone supports this current admins trade policy is genuinely beyond all belief.

Jdoubledub
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Jdoubledub
52 minutes ago

6th gen. 98-02

FndrStrat06
FndrStrat06
52 minutes ago

I recently discovered Laufey myself. She has a lovely voice and I like her pop jazz sound.

Gilbert Wham
Gilbert Wham
53 minutes ago

It’s a shame we can’t have a ‘Syd Mead does a minivan’ Honda though. That would be cool.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
55 minutes ago

If Honda makes a proper 270hp+ hybrid Accord, they’ll have a hit. They need to embrace “enthusiast parent” vibe for their sedans.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
56 minutes ago

“I got a call from a dealer yesterday asking if they could buy my car, which isn’t something I’m interested in, but I might get a quote for an article.”

Always good for a laugh. I had our local dealer offer to buy my (at the time) 10 yo Accord when I took it in for the airbag recall. Their offer? About $4500, which was a lowball, well under FMV. Even the tech who brought the offer did so apologetically.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
46 minutes ago
Reply to  Matt Hardigree

Pretty sure that world doesn’t apply to my Accord.

RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
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RidesBicyclesButLovesCars
56 minutes ago

Every time I see a Windrose truck update, my mind thinks of the dwarf metal band Wind Rose and I find myself signing “diggy diggy hole”. After this latest update, maybe that’s an appropriate reaction!

Liyan Zhu
Liyan Zhu
58 minutes ago

Laufey is great.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
1 hour ago

I don’t think I’d be putting so many eggs in the Accord basket if I was Honda. The current one is a very nice looking, competitive sedan with a hybrid option in a class of 4 cars with the other two being gaudy looking Koreans that I don’t think tempt the average Japanese sedan customer. It’s basically Accord or Camry at this point and there isn’t really a consensus as to which one is better.

I…don’t think it’s in need of a massive refresh? What IS in massive need of resources are the entire rest of their portfolio other than the Civic and CRV. As Angel “The Cobra” Martin mentioned, they needed a large hybrid powertrain yesterday. The Pilot/Passport/Odyssey are non-starters if you care about efficiency at all…especially now that the Koreans have hybrid family haulers.

Acura is circling the drain as well. Outside of the Integra I don’t think they have much that’s competitive. I mentioned the ADX yesterday as a viable option for RAV4 shoppers and was promptly told it’s a pile of shit fit due to its powertrain and lack of brand cache and…you know what? I don’t think I have a valid response. A wheezy economy car engine and CVT don’t scream premium.

Also Honda deciding to completely axe their EV aspirations and cut their losses as early as they did seems incredibly shortsighted to me. I get that most corporations can’t think further ahead than the next earnings call but that decision seems uniquely reactive, especially for an ultra conservative Japanese company. Anyway I don’t even know where I’m going with this, but Honda looks like they’re in serious trouble.

Also Toyota is launching a bunch of EVs that seem pretty competitive on paper. It will be very interesting to see how the market responds to them, because I will continue to beat the dead, decaying horse that EVs are not actually dead or dying.

Drive By Commenter
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Drive By Commenter
38 minutes ago

I said basically the same thing a few weeks ago and got lit up for it. Lemme go change my handle to “drive by Cassandra”.

Cheap Bastard
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Cheap Bastard
37 minutes ago

“Acura is circling the drain as well. Outside of the Integra I don’t think they have much that’s competitive.”

I’d give a tarted up Accord PHEV with 50+ miles of BEV range a serious look.

Nsane In The MembraNe
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Nsane In The MembraNe
34 minutes ago
Reply to  Cheap Bastard

As would I. Too bad such a thing neither exists nor is in the development pipeline…

Phil
Phil
15 minutes ago

“I mentioned the ADX yesterday…and was promptly told it’s a pile of shit fit due to its powertrain and lack of brand cache and…you know what? I don’t think I have a valid response. A wheezy economy car engine and CVT don’t scream premium”

I feel targeted :). I really don’t think it’s a POS, It’s just not enough of an effort for a brand trying to be premium, particularly for a kid of the 80s/90s who grew up with great Acuras on the showroom floor.

Agreed on the Accord. I like the way it looks inside and out and it seems competitive with the Camry but there’s never been such an enormous gulf in the sales performance between the two and I really wonder why. Something isn’t working for the Honda.

MondialMatt
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MondialMatt
1 hour ago

As evidenced by the above, Honda is not in great shape now
I dunno, those ladies seem fit.
golf sponsorship, playing rounds with Akie and Chisato Iwai
Oh.

“big troubles in also-large China”
Nice. I’d like to see the rejected Topshot Pete put together re-working THAT!

Joke #119!
Joke #119!
1 hour ago

What was the best Honda Accord?

The wagon.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
45 minutes ago
Reply to  Joke #119!

Aerodeck, because shooting brake is even cooler.

V10omous
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V10omous
1 hour ago

What was the best Honda Accord?

Sometimes the obvious answer is just obvious: It’s the last V6/6MT coupe (2013-17). The last remnant of a vehicle type very common in my youth, and now totally extinct, the mainstream mid/large coupe with some extra power and fun to drive character.

As a former Grand Prix GTP coupe owner, I mourned its passing.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
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Carbon Fiber Sasquatch
57 minutes ago
Reply to  V10omous

Sometimes the obvious answer is just obvious: It’s the last V6/6MT coupe (2013-17).

Agreed. It’s so hard to find them in decent condition but I keep looking!

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago

Farley needs to realize that he needs to sweet talk someone into thinking these great ideas are theirs if he’s not going to grease the wheels; else to look at the Moroun family and realize that it only takes a few million in lobbying to break international agreements.

D-dub
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D-dub
1 hour ago

The 0 Saloon looks pretty cool. The Hybrid Sedan Prototype looks like a Temu ZDX.

Spikedlemon
Spikedlemon
1 hour ago
Reply to  D-dub

An Avantime, that missed it’s time.

Josh Frantz
Josh Frantz
1 hour ago
Reply to  D-dub

In concept form sure – in practical application they already gave us the CrossTard. How’d that work out?

Angel "the Cobra" Martin
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Angel "the Cobra" Martin
1 hour ago

Of course Honda is in trouble. They only have two competitive vehicles (CR-V and Accord). Stuff like Pilot/Passport/Odyssey/Ridgeline are out classed because of efficiency or modern features (or both). The Odyssey isn’t even competitive anymore due to not offering a hybrid. They need to get their act together, like yesterday.

A Nonymous
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A Nonymous
1 hour ago

The Civic is competitive.

Alexk98
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Alexk98
49 minutes ago
Reply to  A Nonymous

Incredibly so. I live adjacent to a college town and the entire region is absolutely crawling with current gen Civics, with a very large percent being the hatch. I’ve even got two friends with civic hatchbacks and they both love them.

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