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This Citroën Dyane Concept Art Reminds Us How Much They Were Actually Holding Back

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Have I been writing too many Citroën-based Cold Starts? I probably have. I think this year I’ve had full Citroëmania, and it’s not really abating. This may be one of those sorry-not-sorry types of situations, but I guess it’s at least worth noting that I’m at least aware of what’s happening, even if I feel powerless to stop it. With that in mind, I have to confess I’ve been sort of fascinated by these early concept drawings for what would become the Citroën Dyane, and that means I’m going to show you stuff. So let’s go.

The Dyane is an interesting car, in that it’s a sort of semi-phoned-in attempt to make a somewhat more updated and upmarket 2CV, but without really having to do all that much. The target car was the Renualt 4, which itself was really what Citroën was trying to do: take the 2CV concept and refine it and update it a bit.

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In a lot of ways, the Dyane represented Citroën’s perpetual confusion about the “middle” of the market; the 2CV was the low end, the DS was the high end, and they never really seemed to settle on what they wanted in between. They made the Ami from the 2CV mechanicals and a more upmarket, if delightfully peculiar body, but for some reason that wasn’t enough. So, they wanted the Dyane to fit in between the 2CV and Ami, in the same way they originally wanted the Ami between the 2CV and the DS.

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The Dyane ended up being pretty literally a somewhat updated 2cv; it retained the basic 2CV proportions and mechanicals and overall dynamic, but smoothed some of the rough edges.

Cs 2cv Dyane

The windows now slid open and closed instead of being hinged flaps. The headlights were now integrated into the fenders, there was more of a real dashboard, the windows were bigger (but still flat glass), the roof could be easily opened and closed from the inside, there was a full hatchback, all that good stuff. But it really just felt like a warmed-over 2CV.

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Part of the reason for this is that it is speculated that, originally, the Dyane was going to be a badge-engineered 2CV that would be sold under the Panhard marque, which had been taken over by Citroën in 1965, when the Dyane was being developed. In fact, it was Panhard’s designers tasked with transforming the 2CV into the Dyane (even the name feels related to Panhard names, like Dyna) and you can see the Panhard influence in what the Dyane became. Look at this Panhard, for example:

If you think about that design vocabulary applied to a 2CV’s form, I think you actually would get something like the Dyane.

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Of course, before they got to this point, they tried a lot of other stuff, which is what got me excited to talk about all of this in the first place. These early Dyane design sketches are incredible, I think. Look at this really early concept model, which was very much just tweaking the shapes of a 2CV to be more rectilinear and mid-’60s modern:

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That, though, wasn’t exciting enough for Panhard’s designers, who then really let themselves go wild:

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This one is similar to the top image, just more exuberantly colored. The grille is very much a Panhard-type shape, and that boomerang-shaped front bumper is a bold choice. I love the early-aircraft type of triangular A-pillar windows to give the windshield a more wraparound shape, and note that the diagonal window line continues to the driver’s window, which either slides or folds on that diagonal line.

There’s a whole seven speed holes or maybe some other jewelry above the front wheel, bold grooved side moldings with red inserts, a C-pillar with what looks like double wing elements, a sharp wraparound taillight – the whole thing is so jet-age exuberant and unhinged, I love it.

I suspect Citroën felt this was too far and edging into Ami territory, so later drawings dialed it back a lot.

Cs Dyane Sketches 2

This one is actually quite close to what the final form would end up, though the front fenders would regress back to a less-integrated 2CV style, but what I really appreciate is how deep that inset section of the sides goes. In the production Dyane, there is an inset intaglio shape to the doors, but it’s nowhere near as dramatic as this. I suppose that inner bulge could become an armrest of sorts? It’s quite odd.

I love seeing how ideas evolve like this; in the end, the Dyane sold okay, but not nearly as well as expected, and in the end the old, archaic 2CV design outlasted it. There’s probably a lesson there. Mostly, though, I really like the idea of a badge-engineered 2CV. For a car so idiosyncratic, it’s hard to imagine it under another name, a Panhard Dyane or whatever. It’s like if Audi sold a Beetle in the ’70s called the Audi 10 or something like that?

 

 

 

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Navarre
Navarre
1 month ago

We have to manifest a return of Citroen to the US market somehow…

William Domer
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William Domer
1 month ago

There is no such thing as to much Citroen content. In fact I suggest a spin off Autopian entity called Citropian. Get on it Jason, build the weirdest corporate behemoth ever. (Skodopian)

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago

Ugly in every imagining, but that Panhard is glorious!

Knowonelse
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Knowonelse
1 month ago

Oh my, that purple Panhard is tugging at my heart!

MAX FRESH OFF
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MAX FRESH OFF
1 month ago
Reply to  Knowonelse

That purple pond Panhard fucks.

Ewan Patrick
Ewan Patrick
1 month ago

That Panhard is my favourite car of all time – 2 cylinders, hugely aerodynamic and one I saw was climbing out of a field in Perthshire.

Vetatur Fumare
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Vetatur Fumare
1 month ago

As for an Audi 10, please remember that the Polo started out as the Audi 50.

Collegiate Autodidact
Collegiate Autodidact
1 month ago

“Have I been writing too many Citroën-based Cold Starts?”
Non, mon dieu! Au contraire!
Likewise for the air-cooled VW-based Cold Starts! Potztausend!
After all, what’s the Autopian for?? If you wanna read about the latest Ferrari or Corvette ZR1 there’s always Road & Track or Robb Report (more like Robber Baron Report, amirite?)

Bram Oude Elberink
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Bram Oude Elberink
1 month ago

Have I been writing too many Citroën-based Cold Starts? 

Noop, never, not possible

Thomasona
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Thomasona
1 month ago

Is that purple Panhard floating on a pond? I’m confused.

Dodsworth
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Dodsworth
1 month ago
Reply to  Thomasona

It seems to be floating on a door, with just enough buoyancy for two more survivors. Sorry, Jack.

Canopysaurus
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Canopysaurus
1 month ago

Another Citroen article? Come on, man we’re Dyane here!

Last edited 1 month ago by Canopysaurus
Scott
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Scott
1 month ago

“Have I been writing too many Citroën-based Cold Starts?”

As if such a thing could ever be true. 😉

I Farted So Hard it Hurts
I Farted So Hard it Hurts
1 month ago

Maybe they held back…. becuz it was fugly! I mean… look at it. I love weird old cars as much as anyone else but this is not one of them.

Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
Do You Have a Moment To Talk About Renaults?
1 month ago

Always loved the Dyane, but it speaks volumes about how crowded that market was that the 2CV it was meant to replace and the R4 that it was meant to compete with both outlived it (just like the Visa, another offering from Citroën in roughly the same segment which was equally outlived by the 2CV and R4.

Citroën had some really inexplainable lineup decisions. Just a year after the Dyane went out of production, they introduced the Visa-derived, Romanian built Axel, and by 1986 they were also building the AX, as well as the final units of the LNA. It just feels like they lost track of how many subcompacts they were building in the mid-80s due to how confused they were with the continued success of the 2CV, and Peugeot also took advantage of it to pass some operational losses onto Citroën.

Alpscarver
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Alpscarver
1 month ago

Indeed. This is how meetings went: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQugEZOrZSc

Sid Bridge
Sid Bridge
1 month ago

Little Ditty about the Citroen Dyane, just a 2CV doin’ the best it can…

JayJay
JayJay
1 month ago

The curved Dyane doors were smart and didn’t get dented as much as the flat ones on the 2CV. And they made space for the spare tyre in the engine compartment. And that “induction” air duct from the blower to the air filter was also pretty clever!

But I hated that is was full of hard black cheap plastic everywhere on the inside! The 2CV’s more Land Rover Series like rough and simple utilitarian style is much more charming.

Goblin
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Goblin
1 month ago

Good thing they nipped this in the bud and transformed a potential Spanish Flu design into a simple nasty cold.

Bosco
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Bosco
1 month ago

Lovely drawings, they remind me of the Star Wars concept artwork by Ralph McQuarrie

Pisco Sour
Pisco Sour
1 month ago
Reply to  Bosco

I was just thinking it looked like a car a Cylon would drive.

Cerberus
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Cerberus
1 month ago
Reply to  Pisco Sour

Cylons are Star Trek!

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Pisco Sour
Pisco Sour
1 month ago
Reply to  Cerberus

May the Force prosper!

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