Good morning! I feel like I need to make up for yesterday’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Nissans, so today, we’re taking a look at a pair of cosmetically-challenged but incredibly fun stickshifts from eastern Washington. But first, I guess we’d better see which SUV you disliked less:
CVT bad! Ugly V8… not good, but less bad! Noted.
Now then: There is a certain breed of small car that isn’t meant for everyone. They’re usually based on economy cars, and they do still tend to get decent mileage, but they sacrifice some economy and comfort to the horsepower and handling gods. These special examples tend to get driven hard, because they’re purchased by the sort of folks who like to drive small cars hard. They come in various degrees of seriousness, from a tame poseur like a Hyundai Accent GT all the way up to a fire-breathing Peugeot 205 T16 Group B homologation special. In the middle, you have cars like the two we’re going to look at today, cars you can drive every day, but every pothole in the road will remind you you’re not in a Tercel, and the stiff clutch can get tiresome in traffic. Still, if you can snag one for cheap, it’s a great way to get some driving jollies on a budget. Let’s see if either of these two does anything for you.
2006 Mini Cooper S – $2,900
Engine/drivetrain: Supercharged 1.6 liter dual overhead cam inline 4, six-speed manual, FWD
Location: West Richland, WA
Odometer reading: 140,000 miles
Runs/drives? Great, according to the ad
Who doesn’t love a good Mini? Sir Alec’s original took Paddy Hopkirk to a Monte Carlo win, and helped Michael Caine bring home the gold in a different way. BMW’s re-imagining of the little car made a lot of money for Mark Wahlberg, and for thousands of mechanics all around the world. Fragile, but brilliant to drive, the Mini has been a small-car icon for decades.
The S model of the new Mini (as it’s still thought of, even after twenty years) is powered by a supercharged 1.6 liter four, sending 168 horsepower to the front wheels throuh a Getrag six-speed manual. This gearbox is more durable than the Rover-sourced five-speed in lesser Minis. I’ve never driven a non-S Mini, but the six-speed is a delight to flick through the gears. The seller says this one runs and drives great.
This Mini’s low price, therefore, is due to cosmetic and minor legal issues. This car’s patchwork exterior is made up of bits from other Minis, stitched together like some frenetic little British/German version of Frankenstein’s monster. This work is presumably the result of some collision, enough to total the little car. The seller has done the repair work (such as it is), but hasn’t had the car inspected by the state in order to receive a rebuilt title. Really, I think they’re supposed to do that before selling it, but out in the sticks the rules get a little fuzzy. Use it as a bargaining point.
Early new Minis are going to end up as collector’s items, I predict. The mechanical and build quality issues have been documented now, and while the stigma of unreliability is likely to stick (it’s still there for earlier British cars, that’s for sure), the fun-to-drive reputation is here to stay as well. If you want one cheap, snag one now, and be willing to compromise on looks.
1996 Dodge Neon ACR – $4,500
Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter dual-overhead-cam inline 4, five-speed manual, FWD
Location: Richland, WA
Odometer reading: 150,000 miles
Runs/drives? Oh yeah
First up, before anyone says anything about this car’s provenance: I cannot verify whether this is an actual Neon ACR or not. I can only go by what the seller says. The VIN isn’t listed in the ad, so I can’t check it. And this car has been modified quite a bit, so it’s hard to tell what’s original and what’s not. And since the ACR package mainly consisted of taking things out of the car, it’s hard to say what was there when it left the Belvidere assembly plant and what wasn’t. For what it’s worth, I’m inclined to believe it’s genuine; there’s no profit to be made from claiming an economy car was an obscure racing variant when it wasn’t.
I can say that it has the 150 horsepower twin-cam engine that made the Neon such a darling among enthusiasts. With this engine and a stick, any Neon is an eager little puppy of a car, quick and sharp, and rather shocking from a company that was peddling Omni 024s a decade and a half earlier. This Neon comes with a laundry list of modifications, including suspension and drivetrain upgrades… and a roll bar.
It also has that wonderful 1990s “Funfetti” upholstery, and the less-wonderful 1990s peeling paint. But at least it has always been a West Coast car, according to the seller, so worries about rust are likely unfounded.
Personally, I’d prefer it if this car were still stock, or at least stock ride height, but I do still love the first-generation Neon. Seeing this one makes me miss my red ’99 coupe that was rear-ended by a careless WRX driver a few years ago. It was a lot of fun to drive too, even with the single-cam engine and – don’t judge – an automatic.
I know a lot of you chose “none of the above” yesterday, and I know both of these cars have their detractors as well, but if you’ve never driven either of these, don’t judge. They’re both a hoot. Yeah, they’re rough around the edges, and won’t impress anyone who isn’t a like-minded car nerd, but fling one down a twisty road on a nice day, and I guarantee you’ll come back with a smile on your face. Which one will it be?
(Image credits: Craigslist sellers)
I loved how the early Neons had the Pac Man tail lights- wokka wokka all day long!
I’m voting neither simply due to my intense dislike of the Tri Cities area.
I like the modern-era Mini (we own a 2017 Clubman S), but that one’s a terrible example. They’re too common to bother buying one that’s already been literally beaten to death. So, surprisingly expensive Neon it is.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/915743789856868/?mibextid=dXMIcH
Also better than either
First of all: Mark, you don’t have to “make up” for anything. These are fun “what if?” exercises, and the commenters who weigh in with “none of the above/I’d take the bus/is death an option?” are spoilsports. Thank you for putting them together!
Second: That Mini was a no from the first look at the Franken-nose. The price drop makes it more viable, but I’d rather deal with Chrysler innards than BMW. Neon wins, but that “Febreze Bros.” thing is the FIRST to go.
I love driving both of these, and yes, the Neon has a huge reliability advantage over the Mini. Modern Minis are probably the worst cars on the road.
First thing I noticed was “Febreze Bros.” at the base of the Neon’s windshield, and that turned the Neon into an overpriced leader to an almost certain hard no.
I’d take the Mini but no cash changes hands until I know I can get a clean title. I don’t really care if the title has bad marks as long as I can get it registered for the road.
Minis are absolutely awful if you have to rely on them. But if you only want to hoon it, it’s priced decently.
If these two were closer in price, I’d take the Neon. As-is, I’d take the extra paperwork to fix the janky title, and count on that being just a warm-up for all the other shit that’s going to need attention all the time.
730 in the evening and the Mini is now priced at $1900
that will make me vote for the cheap bmw
The Neon is a simple car that is pretty reliable with some basic maintenance. Even the base models were suprisingly fun to drive – I had a 1998 that basically only had A/C as an option, AM/FM only radio and no tilt steering, and even that was a nimble, smooth riding car (at well over 300000kms).
I’ve never seen a Mini Cooper more than a couple years old that wasn’t on it’s second engine or well on it’s way to needing major, expensive maintenance.
Better the cheap fun car you can actually drive, than the fun car that costs so much to maintain you’re working weekends to keep it on the road.
“hasn’t had the car inspected by the state in order to receive a rebuilt title. Really, I think they’re supposed to do that before selling it”
I know in Texas you can sell a car with a salvage title just fine, it’s just not registerable until it gets inspected and then a rebuilt title gets issued and the rebuilt is totally legal. Went neon mostly because of this though, it’s an inspection and like $70 to get the new title. I just went through this process and it’s well worth it
My vote goes to the Neon mainly because it doesn’t have a salvage title.
Had to go neon here for the simple fact that I already have an r53 in better shape than this so the only use I’d have for the other right now would be a track car build, and there are better r53 candidates than one with iffy structural integrity.
P.s. Minis are only a pain and expensive to fix if you take them to a shop or don’t actually take off that fron bumper, once it’s off you have acces to pretty much everything and it only takes about a half hour to get there. Parts aren’t the cheapest, but they’re not the most expensive either.
I see a Vehicross in the Neon pictures! I’d rather take that.
I appreciate that the neon owner appears to have a Vehicross and a 2g eclipse spyder. Based on that and the fact that our old mini was, while a blast to drive, an absolute flaming heap I’d go with the Neon.
“new Mini (as it’s still thought of, even after twenty years)”, well, yeah, the first one was produced from 1959, basically unchanged until 2000, one of the very rare few cars unchanged over 40+ years (excluding the Beetle and I guess the 2CV?) . The “new” one is made by BMW, shares a passing resemblance to the OG, if you squint, at night, with sunglasses, so it will always be new.
Fun fact: European Neons used the same Tritec block as R53 Minis….maybe buy both and put the sketchily-titled-but-giggle-inducing supercharged lump in the ACR….? Then you’d have something worth less than either of the cars you started with, but it could be rad…
Obviously voted Mini because mine is only the third least reliable vehicle I’ve owned. 300+ days since the last CEL!
I grew up in a town adjacent to Belvidere where the Neon was built. At the time, they were EVERYWHERE and I hated them. Oddly, over the past handful of years, I’ve grown to appreciate the first-gen Neon. I can’t even remember the last time I actually saw one, even here in Portland where it’s not at all unusual to see random, weird old cars. So, yeah… My vote is for that Neon. Never thought I’d say that.
Yikes. Both cars are fun to drive.
The mini is going to break and be annoying to work on, and I can’t stand the interior on these
The neon will probably be pretty robust and easy to work on, but it’s cheapppppp inside.
I think I’d take the ACR just because I never see 1st gen neon coupes anymore.
Currently own a 2006 Cooper S Convertible with the stick. Great car to drive, tons of fun. But mine has a clean title and matching bodywork (same blue as the bumper on the one above). So, for that reason and because variety is the spice of life, I went Neon today.
I’ve always longed to be a Mini driver. No, wait, that’s wrong. I’ve always longed for Minnie Driver. I got a better shot at the car.
I’d need to be concussed to choose a Mini in any comparison, but that Neon ACR is GROSSLY overpriced. Shoot, I still haven’t voted because…well, damn.
I bought some heroin off a rando on the street. He couldn’t/wouldn’t tell me if it was laced with anything I should be concerned about. I thought I’d take the afternoon off an inject myself, but now I think I’ll buy that Mini instead.